Why safety? It seems to me the chance of an attractive woman having stalker/safety issues are far great from the guy in the apartment complex, at your gym, or the Starbucks you go to, than some member who very likely lives in another city.
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Why safety? It seems to me the chance of an attractive woman having stalker/safety issues are far great from the guy in the apartment complex, at your gym, or the Starbucks you go to, than some member who very likely lives in another city.
This started getting discussed a year ago. It has only just been agreed that it will happen (I think a few months ago) and it is still not in place yet. So this isn't a good example of things not altering anything, as nothing has happened yet. They are discussing how they will manage it but as far as I am aware they still haven't worked that one out. I doubt it will come into place until 2019 at least, there are so many other laws and changes which have already been delayed until then. This is slightly different though as it's supposed to prevent children from accidentally accessing pornography, rather than trying to prevent porn viewing or prostitution. It'll be interesting what it does to the porn world though. In all fairness I think as far as camming goes it won't necessarily be negative. Viewers will find a way to access their porn, we'll grumble but people will watch. Just as people would pay if there weren't a way to view it for free. It might even convert more guests/basics as people will get used to not going completely incognito, one major excuse I hear is that people don't want anyone "finding out". Well, as much as it's supposed to be private, they're still taking a risk already. Might as well take a good risk and get the full experience.
I think the FOSTA is such a sad way to approach sex trafficking laws, especially as it seems to come from fear rather than evidence of this sort of complete ban working to reduce sex trafficking. Prostitution is a service which may stop being offered one day, perhaps in a world where young women no longer grow up feeling objectified, with men growing up believing it's acceptable to purchase women's bodies, a world where men and women have the same earning opportunities, and rape and abuse statistics fall down to a low, perhaps in a world where we no longer turn sex into a sensationalist and desirable taboo, but simply an acceptable act of pleasure between two people. Maybe. Maybe then sex will no longer be a commodity that people will want to buy or sell. Until then everything about western culture sensationalises sex in a way that it's just asking to be bought and sold.
Creating a ban only criminalises those who are legitimately selling, making it harder for those who have been trafficked to access services which could help them, and putting even consenting escorts into dangerous situations where they cannot access help. If you create legal brothels which are carefully monitored and basically put help in place for those selling sex, it makes it much easier for those wishing to buy sex to access legitimate workers. If you put a straight up ban and make everything underground, how are people to know if the person they go to see has been trafficked or is underage? I know that people love to believe it will stop happening, but that's so naive.
What always amazes me about the USA is that it has such a huge porn industry yet a completely backwards view about selling sex. Why is it acceptable to have sex for money when it's being recorded? Could trafficking and abuse not happen in porn? And why are certain people in Nevada allowed legal brothels? The legal brothels seem to work fine, so why can more not be made so that workers can be safe? Why continue creating a system where those who choose to sell sex for whatever reason are prosecuted? Surely if the idea were to end sex trafficking you would create laws to stop criminalising prostitutes so that if they are coming to harm or have been brought into the business for the wrong reasons they can gain support.
As for date raffles, someone asked why do models offer them? Money and an opportunity to offer something different I guess. I cannot speak for anyone else, but I would quite like the opportunity to meet some regulars, so that may well be a part of it. You generally know that whoever wins will probably have supported you a lot, so chances are it'd be a fun experience. I think it can also build the community aspect. Part of being a camgirl is being a "real" fantasy girl, so giving people the opportunity to meet up probably makes the whole community experience with the model seem more real for the camgirl and members.
It would be sad if they considered date raffles to be against the new rules as I've always thought non sex meet ups are a nice idea, and raffles are always super fun. I guess the main problem is that prostitution being illegal in the US, lots of prostitutes also specify no sex. Even in the UK because advertising sex is illegal you get careful writing in adverts.
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The USA is so messed up when it comes to sex in general. We have a massive porn industry. Yet, it's not okay to show women's breasts on TV in any manner. But, it's okay to show murder, rape, asault, etc for children to see trhoughout the day? I thought it was funny when people claimed that Bugs Bunny, Popeye, and other cartoons that had been on for decades were "too violent". Yet, look at the shit they have on TV now.
I have a few models that I've visited for a long time, and think it'd be fun to meet them in person. Not because of hoping for sex, relationship, etc. But, purely just a way to say "Hi" in person. I've met a number of people I've interacted with over the years on different forums, groups, etc that have spanned many different interests. Granted, it's not the same as a camgirl. But, if it's a non-sexual meetup, why should it be any different? It's sort of focused around how you meet. But, it's two adults respecting one another whether it be in a group setting or just out in public. Worst case scenario, AVN, Expos, etc can always happen. But, is always tough to get some people's time.
Yeah, I know I'm a bit of an optimist looking at things this way since security, etc. all come into play. But, as mentioned above, it'd most likely be a meeting between model/member that have known each other for a while and would hopefully have some kind of idea what each other are like.
I know your reply was tongue in cheek and it stung my ego a little when I read it but I really wish you would have been right and I wrong. Some very dear friends of mine are absolutely hurt by what happened with Firstchoice Pay yesterday and are still left wondering, what now? Noone could have predicted this but what is devastatingly clear is how completely vulnerable the camming industry is. I pray for better times ahead.
aI was going to post a new thread, but necro-ing this one seemed more appropriate.
So, HarliLotts has a raffle going on, which you can find here. https://share.myfreecams.com/s/7pofxna0
Essentially, this can be seen as a date raffle. And it's been bringing up quite the conversation on Twitter about what is and isn't allowed on MFC. If you follow any of the MFC watchdog sites you've probably seen said conversations.
I feel Harli is seen by many as an unofficial brand ambassador for MFC, so her doing something like this might be seen as a case of MFC allowing their big-time models to bend the rules. In turn, it would be a sign by other models that this is OK, but then they risk being admonished.
So I'm wondering, do you see this as a case of favoritism? I have nothing against Harli, I think she's great. At the same time, I don't want to see MFC at risk.
So, HarliLotts has a raffle going on, which you can find here. https://share.myfreecams.com/s/7pofxna0
Essentially, this can be seen as a date raffle. And it's been bringing up quite the conversation on Twitter about what is and isn't allowed on MFC. If you follow any of the MFC watchdog sites you've probably seen said conversations.
I feel Harli is seen by many as an unofficial brand ambassador for MFC, so her doing something like this might be seen as a case of MFC allowing their big-time models to bend the rules. In turn, it would be a sign by other models that this is OK, but then they risk being admonished.
So I'm wondering, do you see this as a case of favoritism? I have nothing against Harli, I think she's great. At the same time, I don't want to see MFC at risk.
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I was going to comment on the whole Harli thing. Definitely causing a bit of activity in the Twitter space. Though, I seriously doubt MFC will actually come out and say anything.
Nor should they. What Harli is doing in no possible way a violation of FOSTA. Much of the stuff posted FOSTA have been absurd and I think in the majority of cases written by people who haven't actually taken the time read the law.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1865/text.
Here is some of the relevant sections.
[Basically, a website who] conspires or attempts to do so, with the intent to promote or facilitate the prostitution of
another person and--
``(1) promotes or facilitates the prostitution of 5 or more
persons; or
``(2) acts in reckless disregard of the fact that such
conduct contributed to sex trafficking, in violation of 1591(a),
Now how does a fake wedding service performed by Elvis impersonator in any way look like sex trafficking or prostitution? It is arguable if Harli's event even qualifies as a date. Although it does sound fun.
MFC added the date raffle rules to cover their ass, in case prostitutes start using MFC as a way of meeting johns. MFC can argue there is no "reckless disregard" because they've have in the TOS about dates. In the case of Harli as long as such doesn't have sex with "groom" and the wedding party no crime is committed and even if she does, MFC can say we didn't know she was going to have sex cause she say explicitly in the promotions for the event that sex isn't happening.
TL: DR Harli is hosting an event/party not "date"
Harli event is still illegal cause it is a raffle.
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Not saying that what she does is illegal per FOSTA rules. I'm saying that it's against MFC rules. But, I think the "No Raffles" thing is kinda crazy, and should be clarified more specifically per FOSTA laws.
But, like most companies, it's easier to do the "Ban everything" approach since it covers their asses the most and leaves no gray areas.
But, like most companies, it's easier to do the "Ban everything" approach since it covers their asses the most and leaves no gray areas.
For one, don’t be so goddamned nosy.
For two, a duplicate account of someone being a troll in the first Choice pay thread.
I’m kinda getting sick of how comfy you are here, Guy, so get your act together. First and last warning. Post with substance or you’re out.
Not at the moment but I'm considering it.
He's gotten so many requests/warnings/etc in the past about being a better poster. I don't really think the random "do you like" or "have you done" or "did you hear" posts add anything of much value to ACF and probably actually skew google search results for actually helpful stuff like "this cam site offers xyz" or "I'm banned from cam site for xyz reason anyone else have issues" or "I'm a new cam model and here's my xyz situation" posts.
We DO have a general topic section, but it's meant to be used by people who are involved in the cam site community as a backup social discussion, not as a platform for someone who doesn't really/all that much participate on cam sites/clip sites to gather bullshit random information for their socially awkward entertainment (or for something more suspicious but I digress).
So yeah... I'm near the end of my patience with @Guy's attempt at interaction here. Some people may find him harmless, but at times I find he detracts from the efficiency and helpfulness of what this forum is intended to be, as well as an annoying distraction.
@Guy this is my final request and warning to you... add something beneficial to the forum as far as cam community commentary goes, or just fall back to facebook for your personal digital entertainment. k?
Ive been trying my best to improve. I now usually post a intro to an article that I link. That was a huge issue I had. If you would have told me that I was creating too many non-camming related threads, I would have stopped. The reason why I was posting a lot of non camming related threads was because I like having conversations with people online. Its quite difficult for me to do that irl. I also find this forum to be highly welcoming. I have several great memories from this forum. I have in fact been more active on camsites than I used to be. Can you explain why you find my behavior on this forum to be suspicious? I would have wanted to have known earlier that I was making you mad. If Im causing issues, its best to explain it to me in depth.
Im sorry I caused all of these issues. Im going to be taking a break from ACF. Best wishes to all of you.
Most of the stuff you post are coming across like If you look at everything you posted it just looks like you are running some sort of survey to gather peoples opinions which is one of the reasons that I don't write in most of the threads you make. If I wanted someone I don't know to gather data on what I like and so on I would just use Facebook. You offer no opinions of your own on the stuff you post, at best we get a one or two sentence description about what you have linked and I still get less information from that than I get from reading the headlines on BBC News. Links are supposed to show were you got the stuff you are writing about, what caused you to form an opinion about something or to show people where they can find the interesting thing that you are writing about, it should not be the majority of the content in the thread that you posted.
This thread for instance could have been a great thread if you would have offered some of your own commentary on date raffles getting banned, think of it like you are interviewing yourself. Why do you suppose date raffles are getting banned? How will this affect cam girls running date raffles? how will it affect you? Do you think the rule will be enforceable or will people find a way around it and in that case how will they do it? As you can see there are a number of things you could write about before posting the thread to make it more interesting and giving people a chance to interact with you on a meaningful level, because now you come across a bit like an inferior version of Cambridge Analytica. Don't make new threads post in the ones that others have made. Debate with people why you might think that the death of poachers in a wild life reserve is not a cause for celebration and don't be afraid that people will disagree with you, it is OK to be wrong if you change your opinion the times you are. Help people that post questions about camming related things if you think that you have something useful to contribute.
Good luck, I hope your posting skills improve so you can continue to be apart of this community.
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I - and others - have explained this to Guy in a previous post on here (I don’t feel like looking for my post...I’m posting from my phone while waiting for my Denny’s food...lol). He’s sort of done the same thing on Twitter too. Not sure if he follows models on there just to ask them these questions. And I don’t know if he does this in their public chatrooms too or not, but I’d imagine they’d tolerate it more if he did it in a private show, or was a really good tipper or something. Keep the private show tokens flowing, and you could act like a survey interviewer with me all you want...as long as it’s not some ridiculously personal questions about where I live or children.
On the subject of Date Raffles - I've never been one to participate in them. I haven't actually taken time to read the FOSTA/SESTA regulations, but if sites feel that date raffles are a risk. Then yeah it is probably best to block them. Coming out of this thread I think I should actually read the FOSTA/SESTA but ain't nobody got time for that. Work is kicking my ass enough.
Edit it's 10 pages. I have time for that.
Edit it's 10 pages. I have time for that.
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