MFC basic and guest memebers

[Muricafyeah]

What's the point of upgrading to perm member if you can watch the show for free as basic and guest? Don't get me wrong. I have upgraded two of my account to perm and bought the 900 token on each but it piss me off that I'm tipping a model to do free show while others is looking and even chatting/making request with just basic. It make me don't even want to load up on token again. I mean shit I can just watch you doing your thing and wanking myself to sleep.

Group and Pvt is too expensive for me. I have a budget per month. If I spend it all on group and pvt then I'm all out. I got bills to pay too ya know. MFC is just my lazy way of not going to strip club and order overpriced drink but at least I get to touch the stripper when I tip them and most ppl in strip club tip as well so I don't feel rip off with strip club but MFC...

 

[GoddessAiren]

:roll:

 

[mynameisbob84]

If all you want to do is watch free shows, then you shouldn't bother upgrading. But if that's all you want out of MFC, why not just use tube sites? Many models mute guests and basics, so if you enjoy talking to the models and members in their room, that's one reason to sign up. Another is that, without somebody tipping, the shows that you seemingly enjoy watching, wouldn't be happening. There's also a lot more content being offered than just groups and privates (SnapChat, Kik, PM privileges, raffles, Skype, etc.) that may or may not interest you, but provide many with an incentive to tip. There are many reasons why a member might tip a model, ya know? Some do it just to feel like they made a positive difference to that model's day.

 

[Worship Jaclyn]

What's the point of upgrading to perm member if you can watch the show for free as basic and guest? Don't get me wrong...

Don't get you wrong? :lol:

 

[BarbieLuv]

You could always try another camsite, if the way MFC works isn't to your taste. Streamate has something called a 'Gold Show' where you pay a set amount (usually $2-$10) and get to see the whole XXX show with other people that paid for it, no freeloaders allowed. And girls can set their Prem/Excl chat to whatever they want, so there are lots of girls who will give you one-on-one attention for under $6 a min, if that's what you're really looking for. SM is generally more about XXX shows and less about chit-chat as well, so if you like to get in/get off/get out, it might work for you.

Definitely check it out if that's really what you're interested in (link to SM is in my sig). Of course, if you only came here to rant, that's cool too. Just thought I'd give ya some advice. :thumbleft:

 

[Ann_Sulu]

1) Many members love the convenience of lounge where they can be online and browse through models rooms, but I guess not make it look like they are always in our rooms but not tipping. I assume that's the main reason members use it, but I personally dislike lounge other than for promoting models, since I'd love to know how many are actually watching me. I'd rather have guests/basics than have someone watching me, but not promoting me in the lounge, since at least it'd put my room higher on the popular rooms list.

2) PM and MFC mail. PM is mainly for the ones who can't wait till after cam to get a response of course. Many don't want to ask things in chat for fear of having their fetishes made fun of, so in turn they will want one of those two perks.

3) Private videos and Group galleries recorded of your favorite models having a private with you that you can watch forever.

There are many reasons aside from just wanting to bring a smile to a camgirl friend's face, but I guess what it mainly boils down to is if the member appreciates the camgirl's time spent on cam. If the member does they'll buy an account purchase tokens and spend at least a little here and there, perhaps promoting in lounge when they can't if not they forver stay basics and guests. *shrug

Mainly from what I've seen is it really is a game changer once members start to relize that cammodels don't just do things by the script, we only get a cut no matter what site we work on, we don't get company benefits retirement or insurance and we run many sites (if not multiple camsites, then multiple social, video, picture sites etc). We do all of these things by ourselves (maybe some have studios to help or a partner, but even then it is normally sick or swim).

They aren't just paying for porn with us. They're paying for:

1)Interaction where the model has to be "on" the entire time.
2)Pictures
3)videos
4)twitter, tumblr or various other social media
5)quality equipment and lighting for a more enjoyable experience for both

It's really hard sadly to explain these things without sounding like a b*tch, but it is something members do have to realize (believe it or not we don't just sit around doing nothing but getting tipped). Sorry if I came off that way at all.

 

[hapa74]

What's the point of upgrading to perm member if you can watch the show for free as basic and guest?

I know this has been discussed multiple times on this forum, but I'll throw in my opinion again anyway.

I feel the same way about freeloaders as most on here, and a few months ago I was almost at the point of just starting to do "privates". I know the OP stated that they can't afford that and I totally understand, but I just wanted to make the point that I was so fed up with freeloaders that I almost stopped engaging in "regular" shows in frustration. The idea of freeloaders enjoying entertainment that I was contributing toward irked me like crazy...

BUT
I took a step back and thought about it, and realized that what I really wanted, was to show the model how much I enjoy her. No matter what any other person (guest/basic/bloob) did or didn't do, I respected her enough to show her that I appreciate her hard work, effort, entertainment and just being able to spend time with her chatting. That in the end it has nothing to do with the idiot freeloaders, but everything to do with my acknowledgement of her as a performer and a person.


thanks KayleePond for being amazing these last 2 years

EDIT: It seems that Godiva420 beat me to making a lot of the same points, but I think I'll leave my post here anyway

 

[LilyMarie]

Let me just take this apart a bit.

it piss me off that I'm tipping a model to do free show while others is looking and even chatting/making request with just basic.

So... You have such a big issue with tipping for the pleasure of yourself and other non-paying people, that you'd rather not tip anything at all.
I hope you realize that makes you kind of a shitty person? Tipping is the right thing to do, whether everyone else does it or not.
By tipping, you literally show the model (and yourself!) that you're better than all the freeloaders, yet you decide not to, because you'd rather freeload and be just as crappy as everyone else. Let that sink in for a minute.
What's your opinion on guys who tip models without getting any shows or content for it? Just because they want to make her happy and show her appreciation? I'm sure you can't understand those people at all.

It make me don't even want to load up on token again. I mean shit I can just watch you doing your thing and wanking myself to sleep.

Sure, if you're someone with no conscience at all (see above) and no desire to see girls who only do shows in group or private...

Group and Pvt is too expensive for me. I have a budget per month. If I spend it all on group and pvt then I'm all out.

Group is less than a dollar per minute if you buy packages bigger than 200. If $1 per minute to watch an attractive woman masturbate live on cam is 'too expensive' in your eyes, then guess what, camsites aren't the right place for you. It doesn't get any cheaper than that.
MFC knows that privates are in fact too expensive and not feasible for some members, so they have the option of watching group shows, which are super cheap.

I got bills to pay too ya know.

And other members don't have any bills to pay?! If you can't afford to tip on MFC and pay your bills, then pay your bills and leave cam models alone, seriously. :roll:
Not everyone needs to get on camsites, some people don't go to the movies because they can't afford it. Entertainment remains a luxury. It's not a human right or anything. If you can't afford something, let it be. I'd love to have a couple of things that I simply can't afford - so I don't buy them. And I don't go around saying I should have a right to get them for free, that's not how the world works. Going into a store and stealing something would still mean I have no morals.

MFC is just my lazy way of not going to strip club and order overpriced drink but at least I get to touch the stripper when I tip them and most ppl in strip club tip as well so I don't feel rip off with strip club but MFC...

Well yeah, if you want to touch people, don't visit camsites. Because... they're part of the internet. Which is virtual.

If all you want to do is watch free shows, then you shouldn't bother upgrading. But if that's all you want out of MFC, why not just use tube sites? Many models mute guests and basics, so if you enjoy talking to the models and members in their room, that's one reason to sign up. (...)

I have to say I don't agree with this. Everyone should have the personality structure that makes them realize that service should be paid. Even when they're not talking to models, not wanting any content, not interested in groups/privates, so even if someone's only watching shows in free chat - tipping either towards the countdown or during/after the show would still be the decent thing to do. :?

 

[mynameisbob84]

If all you want to do is watch free shows, then you shouldn't bother upgrading. But if that's all you want out of MFC, why not just use tube sites? Many models mute guests and basics, so if you enjoy talking to the models and members in their room, that's one reason to sign up. (...)

I have to say I don't agree with this. Everyone should have the personality structure that makes them realize that service should be paid. Even when they're not talking to models, not wanting any content, not interested in groups/privates, so even if someone's only watching shows in free chat - tipping either towards the countdown or during/after the show would still be the decent thing to do. :?

It would certainly be a decent thing to do, but the way the site is set up/marketed means that if somebody wants to watch free shows all day/every day, then they can. It says they can do that right at the top of the page. That's the genius of MFC though and it's why Leo must be a millionaire several times over by now. After a while, free shows only offer so much allure and there comes a point where one of two things will inevitably happen: the member watching for free will either get bored and move on having never spent a penny OR they'll decide that the women they've been watching seem cool enough to want to talk to, cool enough to buy content from, cool enough to buy gifts for, maybe even cool enough to spend money on when they're not even working.

Models obviously value the members who wind up spending money on them more than those who don't, but most of them come from the same pool of members, those who are only on the site to begin with because it's free. I think if we were to instil a moral imperative in members to tip every time they watch a show that they derive any enjoyment at all from, it would drastically cut down on MFC traffic ("I have no intention of tipping so probably shouldn't even log on to this site"), which would be bad for everybody. Less members = less tips = less models. :twocents-02cents:

 

[Alexandra Cole]

You can afford a cup of coffee, you can afford group.

 

[ComicOzzie]

If you don't want to interact with the models, watch porn instead. :twocents-02cents:

 

[Muricafyeah]

I hope you realize that makes you kind of a shitty person? Tipping is the right thing to do, whether everyone else does it or not.

No. tipping is up to the customers. even in strip club, tipping is up to the customers. you don't hear about stripper crying about what is right or wrong and stripper don't beg for tips like every two minutes like some mfc girls does. it's your room and your rule. you can always log off and go do something else. if you don't stand your ground and giving away the farm. why should i care? i didn't ask you for anything and you're already showing it then why am i required to tip you?

I actually have a new perspective on mfc now after i have a chat with another member buying content is better use of the token. mfc is a platform for cam girls to sell stuff like a amazon store. that i can agree to and i'll be happy to buy a video from a model. as matter of fact i did just that last night.

 

[Muricafyeah]

If you don't want to interact with the models, watch porn instead. :twocents-02cents:

yes i do watch porn but now i will buy content from model instead of wasting it on tipping. a new perspective after chatting with other members last night.

 

[ComicOzzie]

If you don't want to interact with the models, watch porn instead. :twocents-02cents:

yes i do watch porn but now i will buy content from model instead of wasting it on tipping. a new perspective after chatting with other members last night.

I don't understand why you consider tipping to be a waste of money. It makes the models happy and contributes to a better room. Oh, and it also contributes to them getting nekkid and doing naughty stuff in free chat. :dance:

 

[Alexandra Cole]

yes i do watch porn but now i will buy content from model instead of wasting it on tipping.

Totally. I mean, what's the point of generosity if it isn't driven by self-interest?

You know what also bugs me? Waiters. I mean, they provide a valuable service or whatever, but it's not like I have to tip, and they're going to serve me anyway, so the least they could do is give me something else on top of the service they've already provided, like some silverware, or some quick under-the-table oral, to reward me for my magnanimity. Otherwise, what's the point? Appreciation?

It's a fucked-up world, my friend.

 

[LilyMarie]

I hope you realize that makes you kind of a shitty person? Tipping is the right thing to do, whether everyone else does it or not.

No. tipping is up to the customers. even in strip club, tipping is up to the customers. you don't hear about stripper crying about what is right or wrong and stripper don't beg for tips like every two minutes like some mfc girls does. it's your room and your rule. you can always log off and go do something else. if you don't stand your ground and giving away the farm. why should i care? i didn't ask you for anything and you're already showing it then why am i required to tip you?

I actually have a new perspective on mfc now after i have a chat with another member buying content is better use of the token. mfc is a platform for cam girls to sell stuff like a amazon store. that i can agree to and i'll be happy to buy a video from a model. as matter of fact i did just that last night.

I'm not crying about anything, I was stating a fact.
I didn't say that I want to log off and do something else, either. I accept the fact that MFC is full of freeloaders. That doesn't mean what they do is OK.

If you feel like only buying content from now on because you feel like otherwise you're not getting your money's worth, knock yourself out. Everyone should use MFC the way that makes them happiest. But I bet you'll still happily watch shows that others have paid for you.

 

[JubalCobb]

I hope you realize that makes you kind of a shitty person?

Well. That's just rude.

 

[JubalCobb]

You can afford a cup of coffee, you can afford group.

Well, perhaps he cant afford both. We all make judgments on the best use of our money.

Or perhaps he doesn't like that when he's drinking that coffee, people gather around and talk about how hot and wet the coffee is. How dark it is, and the steam just drives them crazy. How they want to dunk their donut in the coffee. You start to wonder why they didn't order their own coffee, or contribute to the coffee fund.
Cant you understand how at a certain point, one might think its better to not have enabled these cretans by ordering coffee? Perhaps you feel like a fool for ordering coffee at all.

 

[LilyMarie]

I hope you realize that makes you kind of a shitty person?

Well. That's just rude.

It is. I guess I have little respect for people who don't pay for things they should pay for.

 

[BarbieLuv]

Or perhaps he doesn't like that when he's drinking that coffee, people gather around and talk about how hot and wet the coffee is. How dark it is, and the steam just drives them crazy. How they want to dunk their donut in the coffee. You start to wonder why they didn't order their own coffee, or contribute to the coffee fund.
Cant you understand how at a certain point, one might think its better to not have enabled these cretans by ordering coffee? Perhaps you feel like a fool for ordering coffee at all.

That is just beautiful. Well done, sir, that is a perfect way of putting it.

 

[Fay_Galore]

well, on MFC you have premium members who appreciate the social aspect and tip mostly because of the interaction, for fun, and you have members who see it as a marketplace to get personalised porn. each is fine, but it does seem the second group end up whining about 'being scammed' a bit more then the members who are on MFC to unwind and have a good time without a 'gameplan'.

If you're not too fond if the idea of tipping a lady for her time and effort maybe you're better off getting a few good site subscriptions? because honestly, you sound a little like a butthurt in the making. This could go horribly wrong and I don't know how happy that would make you (or the model involved)

 

[mynameisbob84]

I empathise with the freeloaders to a point, and to illustrate why (I'm bored) I present to you an analogy...

Barry Bollox is sat at home one morning, drearily eating his soft boiled egg and toast soldiers, when he's startled out of his sleepy haze by the sound of a great number of letters, leaflets and pamphlets being pushed through the letterbox and landing with a splat. He half-heartedly inspects the day's mail - bill, bill, final notice, subscription offer to Bare Tits & Exposed Genitalia Monthly - eventually unearthing a leaflet advertising a newly opened shop dedicated to jugs. Not just any jugs, but free jugs.
"Visit our new store and browse our wide selection of high quality jugs. Take as many as you like and don't pay for any!", the leaflet explains.

Intrigued by the jug store's unique pricing strategy and promise of free jugs, Barry Bollox gets dressed and hails a cab, instructing the driver to drop him off at the top of the street on which the store is located. Barry approaches the store on foot, quickly finding it sandwiched between two sandwich shops. On the front of the store, in big bold letters, there's a notice to customers reading "FREE JUGS INSIDE. NO CHARGE!". Barry heads inside and is overwhelmed by the sheer volume of jugs on display. Row after row of shelf after shelf of jugs occupy more space than seems practical. White jugs, black jugs, big jugs, small jugs... Barry's eye is drawn to a pink jug, small in stature, but adorned with the initials "BB". Barry Bollox can't believe his luck. A jug of just the right size, in just the right colour, with his initials on the side... for free! Barry excitedly reaches for the jug when a booming voice bellows from behind him, "I hope you're going to pay for that!"


So... yeah. I empathise with the Barrys out there to a degree. I personally think that if you're enjoying a model's show, or her company, you should tip at least something. But it took me a while to arrive at that mindset, and had I not been lured in by the site's promise of free sex shows, I never would have visited the site, let alone take the time to get to know the models and conclude that I like them enough as people (or characters or whatever) and appreciate their efforts enough to do what the site's marketing materials told me explicitly not to do, and reach into my virtual wallet and tip them.

 

[Muricafyeah]

You can afford a cup of coffee, you can afford group.

Well, perhaps he cant afford both. We all make judgments on the best use of our money.

Or perhaps he doesn't like that when he's drinking that coffee, people gather around and talk about how hot and wet the coffee is. How dark it is, and the steam just drives them crazy. How they want to dunk their donut in the coffee. You start to wonder why they didn't order their own coffee, or contribute to the coffee fund.
Cant you understand how at a certain point, one might think its better to not have enabled these cretans by ordering coffee? Perhaps you feel like a fool for ordering coffee at all.

Thank you. You worded it better than I can. That's exactly how I feel. I never try cam girls before until I see a myfreecam ad thread on reddit.com. I tried as guest then basic and finally I say to myself what the hell. Let's buy some token and try this out. My first 900 token went out the door in less than two weeks. Do you know what I get? Some memories, good and bad. People who doesn't pay the coffee keep telling girl to do this and that. They are doing background directing. After awhile that screw up my fun. I tip girl even without asking for shit and what do I get in return? Girl do request from guest and basic. You know what f'ck that. They contributed nothing and girl just want traffic to her room so she can make more money.

This is my second account with my second 900tkn package and this time is lasting me longer because I no longer tip. Why should I? You want to talk about moral. Hell, at least I upgrade and buy token. People who want to talk about right or wrong can go preach the guest and basic. I only tip if I really like what she does and I'm going to use my token to buy content instead.

 

[Muricafyeah]

If you don't want to interact with the models, watch porn instead. :twocents-02cents:

yes i do watch porn but now i will buy content from model instead of wasting it on tipping. a new perspective after chatting with other members last night.

I don't understand why you consider tipping to be a waste of money. It makes the models happy and contributes to a better room. Oh, and it also contributes to them getting nekkid and doing naughty stuff in free chat. :dance:

No sorry. If I'm buying a coffee and people keep tell me how hot or cold the coffee is. I ain't going to buy it anymore. Unless she offered me something in return. I'll keep it to myself. I'll buy her content if she got any. I'm tipping her while she does request from guest and basic so she can drive up the traffic in her room. I'm not going to do that anymore.

 

[RainyDayGuy]

Perhaps you feel like a fool for ordering coffee at all.

I prefer tea personally, but that's just my preference. I do find it annoying when coffee drinkers try to tell me that I'm wrong for liking tea better than coffee.

 

[SinSeraTea]

Unrepentant freeloader. Lets not meet.

This is the big reason I'm shifting nudity to in group and private.

Edit: I understand why you feel like you're getting something buying content and not getting something tipping. Its a greedy, selfish sentiment but I understand it.

But the thing is that your entire approach to this squicks me out. I understand that I cater to men that don't respect me from time to time, but it kind of sucks to see it laid out proudly.

 

[Muricafyeah]

well, on MFC you have premium members who appreciate the social aspect and tip mostly because of the interaction, for fun, and you have members who see it as a marketplace to get personalised porn. each is fine, but it does seem the second group end up whining about 'being scammed' a bit more then the members who are on MFC to unwind and have a good time without a 'gameplan'.

If you're not too fond if the idea of tipping a lady for her time and effort maybe you're better off getting a few good site subscriptions? because honestly, you sound a little like a butthurt in the making. This could go horribly wrong and I don't know how happy that would make you (or the model involved)

Yes I do feel butthurt with my first account. Girls will do request from basic and guest so they can drive their room traffic and I do feel that I'm getting shagged here. So if they want token from me then they need to give me something in return. How is this wrong? I'm not mad at the girl. They gotta do what they gotta do.

 

[Muricafyeah]

Unrepentant freeloader. Lets not meet.

This is the big reason I'm shifting nudity to in group and private.

Edit: I understand why you feel like you're getting something buying content and not getting something tipping. Its a greedy, selfish sentiment but I understand it.

But the thing is that your entire approach to this squicks me out. I understand that I cater to men that don't respect me from time to time, but it kind of sucks to see it laid out proudly.

I'm not asking you to do anything. It's your room and your rule. Someone else already said it better than I can. I'll buy content/stuff from you but simply tip you while you do stuffs for none tippers. Nope. Not going to happen. Greedy or selfish? Perhaps, but I'm paying for something else in return. That's no different than buying stuffs from Amazon.

 

[Fay_Galore]

I'm not saying it's wrong! I'm saying you might be happier with a non-tipbased camsite (there are PLENTY, someone suggested streamate, but there are many more. no freechat, just for paying members like yourself) or a subscription site, because, well, I'm willing to bet a fiver you're going to open a 'I've been scammed by a model' thread on here within the next 4 weeks, you're expectations might seem very different from the MFC concept.

 

[hapa74]

Girls will do request from basic and guest so they can drive their room traffic and I do feel that I'm getting shagged here.

I'm not sure which models you're visiting, but the models you find here on ACF (as well as most others that I have encountered) won't be doing any kind of request for guests or basics (or non-tipping premiums, I might add)