If you're tired of selling 20 vids and 100 pictures for $15 dollars this may interest you. We're currently setting up a website to help you models make extra money so you don't have to work extra hard to make money. The site pretty much works as a Fan club where we charge for a monthly membership. The only thing we ask is that you stay active, speak english and use our forums to advertise. The forums are already up and the site will be running next week. It's completely legit so if you're interested just send me a PM and i'll fill you in on more details. Take care.
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How about when you have something to show us, you come back?
Miss_Lollipop said:
I told you the forums are up, but the site isn't fully complete. The guy running the site is an excellent website maker that owns online casinos and stuff like that. We're still working on the model agreement and stuff like that. Next week everything will be in full motion. Also we ask that it's exclusive content only, nothing you sell on other sites.
If you want to check out the forums you can go here. http://www.hercampics.com/forums/
One forum with 2 posts in total on it from the same person is not showing us anything.
You walk into dragons den with an idea, they ask you to show them how it works, you go "ummm.... well I made a forum/website page, I can show you everything else in a few weeks time". They are out immediately as you were not prepared and it looks shady. They wouldn't put their money into you, so what makes you expect us to make exclusive videos for you?
You should treat recruiting models like trying to get an investment. Come prepared with factual figures and everything set up and ready to show them. We don't like people advertising on here full stop, which you'd know if you took the time to read even a small bit of this forum/looked for how other advertisements have gone down, which would have taken you all of 20 minutes. If your site is legit then it's never going to work until you get decent models to sign up and start working, so why have you come to us so totally unprepared?!
Seeing as we are already "employed" and mostly getting paid a lot on mainstream sites that are trustworthy and bring in a lot of traffic, trying to get anyone to change sites is NOT going to be an easy task! So why do people treat it like all they have to say is "hey! here is a site I've nearly set up! give me your time and merchandise and put your trust in me!" and we're going to drop everything we're doing?!
You walk into dragons den with an idea, they ask you to show them how it works, you go "ummm.... well I made a forum/website page, I can show you everything else in a few weeks time". They are out immediately as you were not prepared and it looks shady. They wouldn't put their money into you, so what makes you expect us to make exclusive videos for you?
You should treat recruiting models like trying to get an investment. Come prepared with factual figures and everything set up and ready to show them. We don't like people advertising on here full stop, which you'd know if you took the time to read even a small bit of this forum/looked for how other advertisements have gone down, which would have taken you all of 20 minutes. If your site is legit then it's never going to work until you get decent models to sign up and start working, so why have you come to us so totally unprepared?!
Seeing as we are already "employed" and mostly getting paid a lot on mainstream sites that are trustworthy and bring in a lot of traffic, trying to get anyone to change sites is NOT going to be an easy task! So why do people treat it like all they have to say is "hey! here is a site I've nearly set up! give me your time and merchandise and put your trust in me!" and we're going to drop everything we're doing?!
Isabella_deL said:
You completely missed the whole point sweetie, we do not charge models anything. We simply create a way for you girls to make GOOD money off pics/vid and don't have to worry about them getting passed around the whole internet. Our website will work as a FAN CLUB where is post pics/vids at your own discretion. We charge members for a monthly membership where you'll make your money off how many people you have subscribed to your "fan club". I said the site will be up and running next week and we've only been advertising for a couple hours so of course it's not going to be packed out with members. If you have any questions I'm listening. Our only objective is to help you girls sell your stuff at a reasonable rate.
No sir, you missed the point. You're asking these ladies to trust you with hosting or at least having some sort of access to their pictures and videos which are not only sensitive stuff they don't necessarily want spread around but ALSO their livelihood - you even ask for it to be exclusive. How do they know you're not just some guy looking for free stuff? Or looking to steal all the initial content and charge money yourself for people to view it?Tragaveli said:
As Miss Lolli said - go make the website and THEN go advertise it. You're asking the models for a great deal of trust based on...what?
Lastly, being patronising by calling someone 'sweetie' doesn't help your case any. If you genuinely intend to enter the adult industry I think you'd be wise to treat content providers as intelligent, savvy businesspeople rather than talking to them as if they're giving you a lapdance.
Jupiter551 said:
Thank you Jupiter!!! Everything in your last post summed up how I felt about the post before. Including the "sweetie" comment.
I already make "GOOD money" off my pics and vids and more, and there is no guarantee just like in all other sites that pics/videos won't be recorded and posted around the internet. In fact I'm sure they will be.
Your site does not need to be packed out with members, but it needs to be up and running, we need to be able to see where and how you are planning on advertising it and how many members you think you'll be able to get. And most of all having someone trying to recruit new models who actually gives us a decent proposal that we can take seriously! How on earth do you expect any of us to take you seriously when you do not share the same courtesy towards us? I think you should also realise that a lot of models on mfcs earn more in a month than most people do in a year! Persuading us to move to a site where we can make "GOOD money" when we are already working on a site where the payout can be insane is not a simple task and should not be treated as such.
Please do your research of this forum, learn a bit about us. Read the results of how many other people with either scam or pathetic cam sites with extremely poor proposals have tried recruiting new models. You will also see that the legit ones were taken very seriously and those ones had all the correct information right there.
I hear what you girls are saying and I don't blame you at all. Let me elaborate. OUR SITE IS NOT A CAM SITE, you stay on MFC or any other site that you're on. WE PROVIDE A FAN CLUB FOR YOU GIRLS, Instead of selling vids (for whatever price) I've seen some girls sell 70 for 300 tokens... whatever... You post them on our site and ONLY MEMBERS THAT PAID FOR MONTHLY ACCESS will see them. I've seen pirating website and what they record is PUBLIC SHOWS. That has nothing to do with us. We provide an atmosphere where people spend money to see content of you that they can't see anywhere else. Do all the camming you like, make your money that way. That has nothing to do with us. But if you want to sell pics and vids to members all you have to do is get them to sign up to our site and pay for YOUR content and you'll make a lot more money, MFC wouldn't take half of everything you make. WE CHARGE A MONTHLY RATE for members and charge you girls nothing. The only reason I posted on this website is because I seen it was for the MODELS benefit, just like our site will be.
Tragaveli said:
Well, that's hardly Lolli's problem now, is it? The suggestion was that you hold off on promoting something that isn't in place to promote yet. Whether or not you've stated you've got nothing substantial to show yet, is besides the point, ya know?
mynameisbob84 said:
I hear you bro, i figured the logical thing to do was to promote early so that when the site is ready it'll run full stream. Like when new businesses open they accept applications so that when they're ready to open they have a full staff. Maybe i'm illogical, maybe not. To put it simply, if you think it's a scam disregard it, if it sounds like something you're interested in, shoot me a pm. I'm not understanding what's so hard to understand.....
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This is a link to a thread also recently posted up which is how you should go about recruiting girls.
BTW POSTING IN CAPITALS DOES NOT MAKE YOUR POINT CLEARER! I for one absolutely understand the point you are trying to get across. I also learned to read SMALL LETTERS in reception (age of 3/4).
Oh and thank you for giving us permission to do all the camming we like. In fact sites like mfcs so allow us to cam on other sites anyway. You act as though because we'd simply be making exclusive videos for you and your members to see it would be the MOST EASY THING IN THE WORLD! I also don't know if you've done your research on how much we make from videos/pictures already, but it doesn't sound like you have, as how would you know we'd make a lot more money from your site? And also you could scam us very easily. As we cannot monitor how many members views our pictures/vids we would be taking it in good faith that the 3 people you said looked at and paid for our vids wasn't actually 10 people.
This is a brilliant idea for you, but not for us, you have absolutely no figures or any info for us, I do not appreciate you acting like you're doing us a favour offering us this golden opportunity.
This is a link to a thread also recently posted up which is how you should go about recruiting girls.
BTW POSTING IN CAPITALS DOES NOT MAKE YOUR POINT CLEARER! I for one absolutely understand the point you are trying to get across. I also learned to read SMALL LETTERS in reception (age of 3/4).
Oh and thank you for giving us permission to do all the camming we like. In fact sites like mfcs so allow us to cam on other sites anyway. You act as though because we'd simply be making exclusive videos for you and your members to see it would be the MOST EASY THING IN THE WORLD! I also don't know if you've done your research on how much we make from videos/pictures already, but it doesn't sound like you have, as how would you know we'd make a lot more money from your site? And also you could scam us very easily. As we cannot monitor how many members views our pictures/vids we would be taking it in good faith that the 3 people you said looked at and paid for our vids wasn't actually 10 people.
This is a brilliant idea for you, but not for us, you have absolutely no figures or any info for us, I do not appreciate you acting like you're doing us a favour offering us this golden opportunity.
How much would the sites take be? Being that you don't have any model agreements or anything to post, we can't commit to anything that is up in the air. Not only that, but a LOT of us here have (or had) sites that charge a membership, with its own forum. The membership then goes 100% into the models pocket and she just pays a web hoster.....so why would we profit from having you manage our "fan clubs"? For many of us, we have built our own empires, weather meager or extravagant. Its controlled by us, ran by us, and we gain ALL the profits. We also have traffic to back it up. Not that we couldn't gain from your site, but you have a site behind a magic curtain. Promises in one hand, shit in the other....we KNOW which will be visually full first. Not saying that we aren't interested, but every 2 weeks we get a "HEY LOOK AT MY NEW SITE BB!! TONS OF $$$$$$$$$$$$!!! EASY 4 U WE DO ALL WORK U MAKE MANY MONEY!!!!" and there are VERY few that 6 months later are still around, much less profitable. I look forward to reading and seeing your site and legalities when they are up and running, and wish you luck.
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Isabella_deL said:
Again... you make a good point, I'm not the website designer just a friend of one. My boy has been doing this for 15 years so he knows how to make the website more friendly for you girls. I'll run every complaint by him and i'm sure he'll make it friendly for you. I was typing in caps to make sure you read capitol letters cause you completely disregarded what I was saying and only seemed to display what you saw wrong. If you checked out the forums you would see that there is a models only thread where girls can talk about what they would like, what they don't like, or whatever it is that you want to talk about. The only thing I'm suggesting is to sign up to the website. If you think it's something you'd be interested in then by all means participate in it. If not... carry on about your business. I'm aware how much girls make on pics/videos as I help a lot of girls make tokens. I'm just saying you'll make a lot more with these website.
Eva_ChangeN said:
Thank you for a logical response!!!! Right now I've only heard bits and pieces of the details. Me personally I help girls for free, I don't care anything about profits as I have a few jobs and make good money. All the financial stuff is up for debate as of right now. What I have heard is that he's trying to charge $30 dollars per month for membership. He also told me that the models will come up with the price they want to charge. Pretty much... Just tell me demands on what you want and I will run it by him. He's a smart guy and will listen to everything I say. I personally don't make anything, I just like to help girls because I understand that the economy is bad and girls cam to make a good profit. I'm all for it. Just shout me demands and day by day I'll bring more info.
If someone doesn't answer a certain part of your post it isn't necessarily because they've disregarded it, it is because they either have felt what was said does not bring up a point worth answering or it isn't the most important thing to answer. If someone simply has disregarded it then writing it again in capitals will not change their mind.
And yes I did read "fan club" and am capable of reading it in normal type, it does not have to obnoxiously written in capital letters. It is you who has been disregarding my points and concerns. Saying before each point you make "you make a good point" then repeating what you said before isn't exactly regarding my replies seriously. Read the thread I linked, maybe it will help you realise what I was looking for. Or you could pass it onto your friend as I'm not entirely sure why you've even bothered posting this as from what you've said you don't actually have anything to do with it except it being your friend. I would rather speak with someone with actual information and not a 'helpful' middle man. You are taking this very casually but it is not a casual thing.
And yes I did read "fan club" and am capable of reading it in normal type, it does not have to obnoxiously written in capital letters. It is you who has been disregarding my points and concerns. Saying before each point you make "you make a good point" then repeating what you said before isn't exactly regarding my replies seriously. Read the thread I linked, maybe it will help you realise what I was looking for. Or you could pass it onto your friend as I'm not entirely sure why you've even bothered posting this as from what you've said you don't actually have anything to do with it except it being your friend. I would rather speak with someone with actual information and not a 'helpful' middle man. You are taking this very casually but it is not a casual thing.
Isabella_deL said:
Okay look.. I understand that you're a very smart cam model. You want to make sure everything is legit so you aren't "had" by some desperate pervs looking for a free show. I respect that. Me personally... I go on MFC to help girls make money, no perverted intentions at all.... I know guys record public shows and share them with people on the internet trying to get a bullshit rep. I'm just saying that that's not what this website is for. It's for girls that want to sell videos, and sell pictures without MFC getting a good profit off of it. To clear the air tell me all of your complaints, and suggestions and I'll run them by the site owner and I guarantee you'll get your way. He already told me that the site will be Model friendly.
Come back next week when your "friend" has more than a free forum with no posts in it
What makes your fan club better than the membership site I already have on C4S? Essentially it's the same thing, right? Member pays a set fee, I get a cut, you get a cut and they get 30-days access to my streaming videos?
If it HAS to be exclusive content, then I'm not interested. I need a place that I can upload any of my pre-made videos. If that's something that could change in the future, I imagine there could potentially be girls interested once the site is up and running and earning.
If it HAS to be exclusive content, then I'm not interested. I need a place that I can upload any of my pre-made videos. If that's something that could change in the future, I imagine there could potentially be girls interested once the site is up and running and earning.
I think I see some holes in the business model, yo.
Why would a customer pay a third partner a membership fee to be able to buy an MFC model's sexy stuff, when they can just buy it straight from the model without paying any membership?
Why is it better for a third party to make money off of a model's wares than it is the site they work for? Surely they'd rather that money go towards keeping the site they work on running as it should, than lining some stranger's pocket?
Why would a model limit the revenue they make from their videos and whatnot to one channel (your site) when they can just continue to sell them through MFC, their website, their blog, their clipstore etc.?
You say you'll cut down on model's videos being shared but how would you do that?
Why would a customer pay a third partner a membership fee to be able to buy an MFC model's sexy stuff, when they can just buy it straight from the model without paying any membership?
Why is it better for a third party to make money off of a model's wares than it is the site they work for? Surely they'd rather that money go towards keeping the site they work on running as it should, than lining some stranger's pocket?
Why would a model limit the revenue they make from their videos and whatnot to one channel (your site) when they can just continue to sell them through MFC, their website, their blog, their clipstore etc.?
You say you'll cut down on model's videos being shared but how would you do that?
mynameisbob84 said:
To answer your question the best way possible, I'm sure you'd want to buy 20 vids for $200, no doubt about it. I for one think that's unfair to the model. If the models stops selling their vids on MFC (or whatever site they use) they'd make more money using the website I'm talking about. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes.... just trying to help the girls get their money's worth.
Tragaveli said:
I'm not sure I understand your point, sir. Assuming I'm a perv who wants to buy a model's videos... how does buying them through your site as opposed to direct from the model benefit me, the customer?
AllisonWilder said:
There is no difference, that's exactly the site we're producing. If I can talk him into allowing videos that you sell already then cool. But who want's to pay for videos that everyone has already? The reason he asks for exclusive videos is because nobody can see the videos unless they sign up to the website. If there are people sharing the content on our website I guarantee we'll seek legal action and people will pay more than what they bargained for.
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Tragaveli, I understand that you want to promote a site idea to give it some steam before it is ready.
Many people advertise their cam-related startups on this form. They understand that it is hard to attract good models and they work hard to do so.
Your original post has no actual information on the site, even a URL or name. Yes, you provided that later on, but instead of saying "We're an upcoming site that will provide X, Y, and Z. Here is a list of hard information about payouts, money, membership costs, security measures, traffic, et cetera," you said, "this is a concept for a site with no information that models look for when considering new sites."
I know you have none of that information, and that's the problem. It is okay to promote a beta site, but you aren't even to that stage yet. This concept is pre-alpha.
You seem excited about this project and frustrated that people aren't excited about it too. However, you have given no reason for anyone to be excited about it, because there is no info for us to latch on to and be happy about. I think your concept is interesting, but you should start promoting it when you have some of the information mentioned above, not at a stage when you have to tell interested models, "I don't have any information for you about the site I want you to sign up on."
Many people advertise their cam-related startups on this form. They understand that it is hard to attract good models and they work hard to do so.
Your original post has no actual information on the site, even a URL or name. Yes, you provided that later on, but instead of saying "We're an upcoming site that will provide X, Y, and Z. Here is a list of hard information about payouts, money, membership costs, security measures, traffic, et cetera," you said, "this is a concept for a site with no information that models look for when considering new sites."
I know you have none of that information, and that's the problem. It is okay to promote a beta site, but you aren't even to that stage yet. This concept is pre-alpha.
You seem excited about this project and frustrated that people aren't excited about it too. However, you have given no reason for anyone to be excited about it, because there is no info for us to latch on to and be happy about. I think your concept is interesting, but you should start promoting it when you have some of the information mentioned above, not at a stage when you have to tell interested models, "I don't have any information for you about the site I want you to sign up on."
mynameisbob84 said:
The website isn't designed to cater to the "pervs" only to the model. The only video we accept is ones that are specifically made for the website. So if you want to view any of the videos on our site you'd have to pay for a monthly membership.
Tragaveli said:
In order for your site to flourish, it has to be better than C4S otherwise why would someone want to produce content for your site. I have 167 videos between two stores and a membership site for each of those stores. Not everyone has all my clips, if they did, I'd be out of business.
If I pulled my videos off C4S and sold them exclusively with this site, I could potentially be losing thousands a month. I realize this is a brand new business, but without being able to see it prove itself first, it's just never going to happen.
We need to see real figures.
We need to see a real site.
We need to know payout options, methods, fees.
We need to know what our cut is.
We need to know what the site requires from us.
We need professionalism from people attempting to recruit us.
We need cold, hard facts--not maybe this or possibly that.
How would a member know they want to see a video? Do we advertise ourselves?
Tragaveli said:
And that's my point. I think it's admirable you're trying to create a site that's "model friendly" but if you don't give the customer any incentive to use your site, customers won't use your site and the models won't make any money. At which point they'd have been better off not joining your site and selling their videos as they always have done.
Maybe I'm crazy... but this Tragaveli doesn't seem as bad as a lot of the advertisers here. He's actually responded to a few of the issued raised.
Let me try and lay this on ya without beating you up more. A lot of people find ACF and advertise here when they're starting a new cam site or cam model-geared service. Most of them are crap. The ones that have had the most potential tended to at least have a test environment active so that models could check things out a bit right then and there. If your service is as good as you think it will be, surely some models will see what you're offering and be excited to get some content made to give it a shot. Even if your service isn't so great, maybe you can get some constructive criticism to take back to the developer. Without anything to look at though you're nothing but yet another post here soliciting models for a slice of their business.
So yeah, Tragaveli, hopefully once your friend gets his new project up and running you can come back and show some people what you're offering. Also keep in mind, you'll be competing with more than just MFC for models on this forum. We have girls from many different cam sites some of which offer better video and picture procurement methods than MFC. Chaturbate even has a fan club type thing. Many of the girls also do the MyGirlFund and Clips4Sale stuff so you may want to consider how the service you'll provide differentiates. If it's a clone of one of those services, you better figure out some other way yours is either better or at least different or else you're producing a pretty poor product.
Also as I've tried submitting this, mynameisbob84 has made half my points. I'm not sure if brohug or angryfistshake is more appropriate right now.
Let me try and lay this on ya without beating you up more. A lot of people find ACF and advertise here when they're starting a new cam site or cam model-geared service. Most of them are crap. The ones that have had the most potential tended to at least have a test environment active so that models could check things out a bit right then and there. If your service is as good as you think it will be, surely some models will see what you're offering and be excited to get some content made to give it a shot. Even if your service isn't so great, maybe you can get some constructive criticism to take back to the developer. Without anything to look at though you're nothing but yet another post here soliciting models for a slice of their business.
So yeah, Tragaveli, hopefully once your friend gets his new project up and running you can come back and show some people what you're offering. Also keep in mind, you'll be competing with more than just MFC for models on this forum. We have girls from many different cam sites some of which offer better video and picture procurement methods than MFC. Chaturbate even has a fan club type thing. Many of the girls also do the MyGirlFund and Clips4Sale stuff so you may want to consider how the service you'll provide differentiates. If it's a clone of one of those services, you better figure out some other way yours is either better or at least different or else you're producing a pretty poor product.
Also as I've tried submitting this, mynameisbob84 has made half my points. I'm not sure if brohug or angryfistshake is more appropriate right now.
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