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[LilyMarie]

As members go, MFC has made quite a bit of money off of me over time. There are individual models who I've tipped a lot. I've been known to tip 1000 tokens just because I like somebody, without asking for anything in return. I've been known to take models private for an hour or more just to chat, with no "show" involved. I'm the rare thing known as a tipper, not a freeloader.

There are thousands of MFC members who do all these things without caring if a model is single in real life or not, you know. It's not like we're all dependent on you. :lol:

 

[NoelleBright]

Here's my solution: models who are in a relationship should say so on their profile, and then list "single roleplay" as one of their offerings. That way the guy knows exactly what he's getting into, and exactly how much "fantasy" is involved. :thumbleft:

As members go, MFC has made quite a bit of money off of me over time. There are individual models who I've tipped a lot. I've been known to tip 1000 tokens just because I like somebody, without asking for anything in return. I've been known to take models private for an hour or more just to chat, with no "show" involved. I'm the rare thing known as a tipper, not a freeloader.

So keep that in mind when you sit around and talk behind our backs, or whatever it is you do in the "Models Only" forum, about how you should pepper spray and ban any guy who wants to get to know you on a personal level. I will tip big, but I'm not going to tip someone big unless I get to know them and like them. If I just wanted to anonymously look at some girl getting naked and doing whatever else she might do, there's free porn all over the internet. Or you can just sit in a model's room on MFC and freeload. Having some real interaction and getting to know each other is the thing that sets MFC apart, and anyone who thinks otherwise might be delusional about what MFC is for. :twocents-02cents:

I'm not sure why you think models with boyfriends can't get to know members on a personal level....
I'm THAT kind of model even though I do have a boyfriend. I don't do intense shows and rely more on cultivating a friendly environment where everyone can all be friends and we can hang out and have a good time.
This definitely isn't the norm, but I have hung out with some of my guys IRL on more than one occasion. Some of them have met my boyfriend, know him by first name and have even become friends with him independently from me. I even have a regular who visits us about once a month to hang out for the day and I usually cook us all dinner.
If this isn't getting to know members on a "personal level", idk what is.

 

[JickyJuly]

All of your suggestions sound kind of like Streamate. Why not just try Streamate for a minute instead of trying to change MFC to fit your requirements? I like both Streamate and MFC, but I think they run very differently for a good reason. Adding all of those search functions to MFC would make it much more meat market and essentially damage the social/tips for whatever atmosphere it has going for it.

 

[Joeternal]

I'm not sure why you think models with boyfriends can't get to know members on a personal level....

I didn't say they couldn't....it's just not for me.

The question was whether models should be honest about their relationship status.

 

[Joeternal]

All of your suggestions sound kind of like Streamate. Why not just try Streamate for a minute instead of trying to change MFC to fit your requirements? I like both Streamate and MFC, but I think they run very differently for a good reason. Adding all of those search functions to MFC would make it much more meat market and essentially damage the social/tips for whatever atmosphere it has going for it.

It took only a minute or two of checking out Streamate for me to lose interest in it.

 

[Joeternal]

As members go, MFC has made quite a bit of money off of me over time. There are individual models who I've tipped a lot. I've been known to tip 1000 tokens just because I like somebody, without asking for anything in return. I've been known to take models private for an hour or more just to chat, with no "show" involved. I'm the rare thing known as a tipper, not a freeloader.

There are thousands of MFC members who do all these things without caring if a model is single in real life or not, you know. It's not like we're all dependent on you. :lol:

I think thousands is probably an exaggeration. The most successful models on the site seem to have 4-5 regulars who consistently tip them significant amounts. The big tippers that show up in other models' rooms are probably the same guys in many cases. I wouldn't call myself the biggest tipper in the world, because I'm very selective. But I will give big tips when the situation is right.

 

[NoelleBright]

I'm not sure why you think models with boyfriends can't get to know members on a personal level....

I didn't say they couldn't....it's just not for me.

The question was whether models should be honest about their relationship status.

Judging by the fact that MANY top models are openly married/in relationships or have boy/girl videos, not very many people care as intensely as you seem to.

It's also just unrealistic. These are BEAUTIFUL young girls in the prime of their lives, with jobs that allow them to set their own schedules and have more financial freedom than most others. If you think that these ladies aren't at the very least going on dates, LOL.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I'm not sure why you think models with boyfriends can't get to know members on a personal level....

I didn't say they couldn't....it's just not for me.

The question was whether models should be honest about their relationship status.

Funny, I thought the question was whether MFC should change their search function. Isn't that the name of the thread?

 

[Joeternal]

I've had all of these questions directed at me since my first post, so I'm going to try to put them to rest with a clear explanation of what I look for on MFC.

I'm not one of the guys who are on MFC all the time. If I'm there, it's because I'm single and feeling an acute lack of female companionship. What I'm looking for at that moment is a temporary online substitute. That doesn't necessarily mean sex. It could be just hanging out and talking.

My "needs" are therefore best served by someone who is single, and who is (all else being equal) someone I would actually consider dating in "real life". I'm not actually looking for a date, but you can see how, with that approach, things have gotten close to moving offline a few times with models I liked a lot and spent a lot of time with. In each case, I'm the one who backed out of it.

I guess my point of view is similar to what a lot of models have expressed. I'm hesitant about the idea, but if the person and the circumstances were right, it could happen.

I feel it's totally legitimate to prefer single models, and several models have backed me up on that in this thread. Which means it's an entirely appropriate category for MFC to include in an improved search function. Every line on a model's profile should be searchable, in conjunction with any other category. There is no way in which that hurts any model. What it does is match up models with members who are more likely to tip them.

 

[Joeternal]

I'm not sure why you think models with boyfriends can't get to know members on a personal level....

I didn't say they couldn't....it's just not for me.

The question was whether models should be honest about their relationship status.

Judging by the fact that MANY top models are openly married/in relationships or have boy/girl videos, not very many people care as intensely as you seem to.

It's also just unrealistic. These are BEAUTIFUL young girls in the prime of their lives, with jobs that allow them to set their own schedules and have more financial freedom than most others. If you think that these ladies aren't at the very least going on dates, LOL.

Look, I get that you feel like you're defending yourself here. But I'm just one guy. Granted there are many others who share my point of view. But obviously you have enough who are fine with your situation that you don't need to worry about those of us who see things differently.

 

[AmberCutie]

I've had all of these questions directed at me since my first post, so I'm going to try to put them to rest with a clear explanation of what I look for on MFC.

I'm not one of the guys who are on MFC all the time. If I'm there, it's because I'm single and feeling an acute lack of female companionship. What I'm looking for at that moment is a temporary online substitute. That doesn't necessarily mean sex. It could be just hanging out and talking.

My "needs" are therefore best served by someone who is single, and who is (all else being equal) someone I would actually consider dating in "real life". I'm not actually looking for a date, but you can see how, with that approach, things have gotten close to moving offline a few times with models I liked a lot and spent a lot of time with. In each case, I'm the one who backed out of it.

I guess my point of view is similar to what a lot of models have expressed. I'm hesitant about the idea, but if the person and the circumstances were right, it could happen.

Ok, that makes total sense, thank you for this very clear and concise post. I think everyone can put these questions to rest now, hmm?

Just like many of us girls suggest that we fulfill a fantasy, Joe's fantasy is that these single models are someone he could end up with. Could this fantasy end up real? According to some cases, yes, because we know there ARE models who have met up with and started dating (or even married) members they made a connection with. The fact that Joe here likes to indulge that fantasy and even the slightest possibility makes total sense. I can see that he would feel a bit mislead (he used the word fraud because he feels very strongly about this) if he made this sort of connection with a person who said they were single and turns out they weren't.

A lot of us girls who never ever ever will meet up with MFC members whether we are single or not get a bit squeamish at admitting this actually happens, because it may encourage more guys to treat MFC like a dating site. I think that's where the initial issue came along with this thread. That idea caused many people to jump up and say WHOA NELLY! Doesn't matter if they're single, this ain't no dating site, homie!

When I first started MFC, I said I was single even though I was married. I believed I had to completely play into that role. Once I realized the connections I was making with people, I knew I had to come clean and start being honest. I find that people still enjoy the bonds we create (and they ARE very flirty and fun and friendly) even though there is no chance of us meeting outside of the Internet.

There are all types of members on MFC. Some who have the same thoughts as Joe, others who feel opposite, others who are completely indifferent. I feel like Joe is getting put through the grinder for the wrong reasons. And peoples' initial hesitation to his preferences has instigated a whole lotta random bullshit among the last 7 pages. A lot of people came across sounding really silly due to this.

 

[Joeternal]

I've had all of these questions directed at me since my first post, so I'm going to try to put them to rest with a clear explanation of what I look for on MFC.

I'm not one of the guys who are on MFC all the time. If I'm there, it's because I'm single and feeling an acute lack of female companionship. What I'm looking for at that moment is a temporary online substitute. That doesn't necessarily mean sex. It could be just hanging out and talking.

My "needs" are therefore best served by someone who is single, and who is (all else being equal) someone I would actually consider dating in "real life". I'm not actually looking for a date, but you can see how, with that approach, things have gotten close to moving offline a few times with models I liked a lot and spent a lot of time with. In each case, I'm the one who backed out of it.

I guess my point of view is similar to what a lot of models have expressed. I'm hesitant about the idea, but if the person and the circumstances were right, it could happen.

Ok, that makes total sense, thank you for this very clear and concise post. I think everyone can put these questions to rest now, hmm?

Just like many of us girls suggest that we fulfill a fantasy, Joe's fantasy is that these single models are someone he could end up with. Could this fantasy end up real? According to some cases, yes, because we know there ARE models who have met up with and started dating (or even married) members they made a connection with. The fact that Joe here likes to indulge that fantasy and even the slightest possibility makes total sense. I can see that he would feel a bit mislead (he used the word fraud because he feels very strongly about this) if he made this sort of connection with a person who said they were single and turns out they weren't.

A lot of us girls who never ever ever will meet up with MFC members whether we are single or not get a bit squeamish at admitting this actually happens, because it may encourage more guys to treat MFC like a dating site. I think that's where the initial issue came along with this thread. That idea caused many people to jump up and say WHOA NELLY! Doesn't matter if they're single, this ain't no dating site, homie!

When I first started MFC, I said I was single even though I was married. I believed I had to completely play into that role. Once I realized the connections I was making with people, I knew I had to come clean and start being honest. I find that people still enjoy the bonds we create (and they ARE very flirty and fun and friendly) even though there is no chance of us meeting outside of the Internet.

There are all types of members on MFC. Some who have the same thoughts as Joe, others who feel opposite, others who are completely indifferent. I feel like Joe is getting put through the grinder for the wrong reasons. And peoples' initial hesitation to his preferences has instigated a whole lotta random bullshit among the last 7 pages. A lot of people came across sounding really silly due to this.

Thank you, m'lady. The only caveat is that I don't agree with your characterization of me looking for a "fantasy". I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with for a little while. I view it as kind of a social club where people can get together and talk, and maybe other things happen (whether that be friendship, privates, dating or whatever).

I keep saying the same thing - that's the appeal of MFC. There are no limits besides what's legal, and people who try to put limits on it are making it less fun.

 

[NoelleBright]

I'm not sure why you think models with boyfriends can't get to know members on a personal level....

I didn't say they couldn't....it's just not for me.

The question was whether models should be honest about their relationship status.

Judging by the fact that MANY top models are openly married/in relationships or have boy/girl videos, not very many people care as intensely as you seem to.

It's also just unrealistic. These are BEAUTIFUL young girls in the prime of their lives, with jobs that allow them to set their own schedules and have more financial freedom than most others. If you think that these ladies aren't at the very least going on dates, LOL.

Look, I get that you feel like you're defending yourself here. But I'm just one guy. Granted there are many others who share my point of view. But obviously you have enough who are fine with your situation that you don't need to worry about those of us who see things differently.

I wasn't trying to defend myself as much as trying to figure you out.
Your most recent posts cleared up a lot though, so thank you!

 

[Delta]

I've had all of these questions directed at me since my first post, so I'm going to try to put them to rest with a clear explanation of what I look for on MFC.

I'm not one of the guys who are on MFC all the time. If I'm there, it's because I'm single and feeling an acute lack of female companionship. What I'm looking for at that moment is a temporary online substitute. That doesn't necessarily mean sex. It could be just hanging out and talking.

My "needs" are therefore best served by someone who is single, and who is (all else being equal) someone I would actually consider dating in "real life". I'm not actually looking for a date, but you can see how, with that approach, things have gotten close to moving offline a few times with models I liked a lot and spent a lot of time with. In each case, I'm the one who backed out of it.

I guess my point of view is similar to what a lot of models have expressed. I'm hesitant about the idea, but if the person and the circumstances were right, it could happen.

Ok, that makes total sense, thank you for this very clear and concise post. I think everyone can put these questions to rest now, hmm?

Just like many of us girls suggest that we fulfill a fantasy, Joe's fantasy is that these single models are someone he could end up with. Could this fantasy end up real? According to some cases, yes, because we know there ARE models who have met up with and started dating (or even married) members they made a connection with. The fact that Joe here likes to indulge that fantasy and even the slightest possibility makes total sense. I can see that he would feel a bit mislead (he used the word fraud because he feels very strongly about this) if he made this sort of connection with a person who said they were single and turns out they weren't.

A lot of us girls who never ever ever will meet up with MFC members whether we are single or not get a bit squeamish at admitting this actually happens, because it may encourage more guys to treat MFC like a dating site. I think that's where the initial issue came along with this thread. That idea caused many people to jump up and say WHOA NELLY! Doesn't matter if they're single, this ain't no dating site, homie!

When I first started MFC, I said I was single even though I was married. I believed I had to completely play into that role. Once I realized the connections I was making with people, I knew I had to come clean and start being honest. I find that people still enjoy the bonds we create (and they ARE very flirty and fun and friendly) even though there is no chance of us meeting outside of the Internet.

There are all types of members on MFC. Some who have the same thoughts as Joe, others who feel opposite, others who are completely indifferent. I feel like Joe is getting put through the grinder for the wrong reasons. And peoples' initial hesitation to his preferences has instigated a whole lotta random bullshit among the last 7 pages. A lot of people came across sounding really silly due to this.

Thank you, m'lady. The only caveat is that I don't agree with your characterization of me looking for a "fantasy". I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with for a little while. I view it as kind of a social club where people can get together and talk, and maybe other things happen (whether that be friendship, privates, dating or whatever).

I keep saying the same thing - that's the appeal of MFC. There are no limits besides what's legal, and people who try to put limits on it are making it less fun.

It's good to keep in mind that those who ask the 'are you single?' question end up limiting themselves, not always by their own accord.
There's nothing wrong with asking, and I'm not about to tell you how to go about using a cam site for your own pleasure- just something to keep in mind.

I'm not trying to fan the flames, so enjoy this funny thing here

 

[IsabellaSnow]

So keep that in mind when you sit around and talk behind our backs, or whatever it is you do in the "Models Only" forum...

We just talk about sports.

And post TONS of pictures of cute animals. It's a serious cute fest!

Joeternal, the post Amber responded to made a lot more sense.

Please understand though that just as you are allowed to visit and tip the models you wish to, the models are also allowed to state whatever relationship status they wish.

You say you come to mfc every now and then. Many models are there every single day. I'm sure you can understand why models will limit the mental stress from members as much as possible while they're on, and if saying they're in a relationship when they're not or vice versa is what makes their job that much more enjoyable then they should do it. As much as this may be a very big deal to you, it's not a big enough a deal to enough members for so many models to change it completely. There are models who are in your category and can cater to your wishes, as you have such specific tastes unfortunately not even the most detailed search function would really help you much.

For the not being thousands of members who tip like you do. There are in fact thousands of members who tip in that way. The top 1000 models are earning $3500+ per month, each of these models will probably have a group of members who tips in the same way you do, then you've got the models who aren't currently camming as much and may rely on a smaller group of regulars. I have many passers by who drop by every now and then and drop a shit ton of tokens on me. It's how I earn a fair amount of my income. It is a harsh truth for members, but one that models learn relatively quickly, members are almost always replaceable token wise. Every time a regular has left me he has been replaced by several more. It's only the friendships that I miss. I absolutely don't mean this in a harsh way or anything concerning your situation, just because you mentioned it. Myfreecams is a money machine. The amount of cash flying around that site is insane. Unless you were a regular visiter who spends a minimum of 5k tokens most days and has done for the last few years I wouldn't say you're a rare member. A good member I'm sure, but not rare.

 

[Joeternal]

Joeternal, the post Amber responded to made a lot more sense.

I think it's safe to say that I will never talk to you or tip you on MFC, so how about we leave it at that?

 

[RedHerby]

Models, just fucking stop responding, I'm getting jealous on all the attention he gets from you !

 

[Delta]

Models, just fucking stop responding, I'm getting jealous on all the attention he gets from you !

I just really wanted to post that meme.

 

[RedHerby]

Models, just fucking stop responding, I'm getting jealous on all the attention he gets from you !

I just really wanted to post that meme.

Having the last word in a crowd with many females, I fully understand that will not happen.

 

[Delta]

Models, just fucking stop responding, I'm getting jealous on all the attention he gets from you !

I just really wanted to post that meme.

Having the last word in a crowd with many females, I fully understand that will not happen.

My sincerest apologies.

 

[TokenGesture]

Joeternal has a impressive % of reeling in the models he interacts with, 6 to 8 of every 100. I think we've had about 24 models getting to know him on this thread. I feel sure two of them at least must be smitten and itchin' for a hook-up, or taking the relationship to some level beyond ACF.

 

[The Insider]

I feel like Joe is getting put through the grinder for the wrong reasons. And peoples' initial hesitation to his preferences has instigated a whole lotta random bullshit among the last 7 pages. A lot of people came across sounding really silly due to this.

I agree 100%, from page 1 onward.

The OP has been a bit misunderstood but he could have articulated a bit better. When someone like OP is met with hostility the natural course of action is to also get hostile and defensive

I know this forum isn't a business, but it's a forum related to a business that many call their livelihood.
Any non model joe blow could be a 20 dollar wonder or a whale. Maybe he could have benefited from more gentler answers.

p.s. it's almost turning into a hug-fest here at the end

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I know this forum isn't a business, but it's a forum related to a business that many call their livelihood.
Any non model joe blow could be a 20 dollar wonder or a whale. Maybe he could have benefited from more gentler answers.

True but then weren't we just discussing members wanting honest relationships with models? Sure when I'm working I'm earning money, and will hold my tongue a lot more, but here I treat it as though money is irrelevant. I treat members who tip me loads and chat to all the time no differently than I treat newbies and members who I have never met while working. I like it this way, what members get here has nothing to do with their wallets.

Seeing as I've had loads of big tips sent my way from people saying nice things about what I post on this forum I don't think I'm scaring everyone off. At least no one I want to have around. I'd rather be around people who can handle a bit of brutal honesty without getting their knickers in a bunch and taking it oh so personally. Each to their own though.

 

[The Insider]

True but then weren't we just discussing members wanting honest relationships with models? Sure when I'm working I'm earning money, and will hold my tongue a lot more, but here I treat it as though money is irrelevant. I treat members who tip me loads and chat to all the time no differently than I treat newbies and members who I have never met while working. I like it this way, what members get here has nothing to do with their wallets.

Seeing as I've had loads of big tips sent my way from people saying nice things about what I post on this forum I don't think I'm scaring everyone off. At least no one I want to have around. I'd rather be around people who can handle a bit of brutal honesty without getting their knickers in a bunch and taking it oh so personally. Each to their own though.

I meant that in a different way.
We are at 2 ends of this business. You have direct contact with your clientele. They are in your room, face to face (so to speak) Guys will go from free to premium for a model just for the extra perks it brings. The upsell is in your hands.

My end is indirect customer contact. Whatever I make & put out there I have to hope that via whatever means i have at hand, whatever associations I've made, somehow people will find it. When they do find it i have to hope they click something, when they do click I have to hope they join & buy. If there was a way I could reach out & reward customers that do that I would.

Even though his original post wasn't about dating models and it more or less came out later that he wouldn't mind that as possibility he got pounced on long before that.
From my perspective (at the other end of the biz) I see it as maybe being gentler in some replies is better for everyone

To put an easter spin on it. If I were a model I'd look at every egg in my basket and with a little polishing each could be golden, and the ones that hatch would grow to be whales.

I don't think there's a lot of room in this biz for the mindset "so what, another customer will come along" (not that i believe you isabel have that mindset, it's just one I have observed in some).

 

[AmberCutie]

I know this forum isn't a business, but it's a forum related to a business that many call their livelihood.
Any non model joe blow could be a 20 dollar wonder or a whale. Maybe he could have benefited from more gentler answers.

True but then weren't we just discussing members wanting honest relationships with models? Sure when I'm working I'm earning money, and will hold my tongue a lot more, but here I treat it as though money is irrelevant. I treat members who tip me loads and chat to all the time no differently than I treat newbies and members who I have never met while working. I like it this way, what members get here has nothing to do with their wallets.

Seeing as I've had loads of big tips sent my way from people saying nice things about what I post on this forum I don't think I'm scaring everyone off. At least no one I want to have around. I'd rather be around people who can handle a bit of brutal honesty without getting their knickers in a bunch and taking it oh so personally. Each to their own though.

Please don't forget that on a forum like this, not everyone will view your words as just your own. In a sense, you speak for the group of us (at least in the eyes and minds of some readers) and it may have an impact on how people view cam girls as a whole. Not just you. And that can be bad in cases where the majority of the group you stand for don't necessarily feel the same as you.

 

[LailaBaise]

I often think of this poem when I read some people's posts :whistle:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I often think of this poem when I read some people's posts :whistle:

AmberHootie? Get it? Owls hoot and stuff, oh, you get it and its just not funny? Roger that