Received this from ONLYFANS today.
Apparently their changes are cancelled.
Apparently their changes are cancelled.
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yep. all creators should have gotten this update after their twitter post this morning.
Some thing like this, I think it high lights the important of having a backup.
Ok I've done some dumb thinking in my head and decided that this is likely what happened:
- CC companies made outrageous demands: eg.: check every post before it's sent to the feed, monitor every live broadcast etc
- OF said: Man there's no way we could do this! We'd have to kick all sex workers from our page
- CC companies: you're bluffing, you could do it and still profit. We aren't changing our demands
- OF: ok check this out then you motherf***ers, let's all lose money then
-CC companies: alright you were speaking the truth, let's play ball
- CC companies made outrageous demands: eg.: check every post before it's sent to the feed, monitor every live broadcast etc
- OF said: Man there's no way we could do this! We'd have to kick all sex workers from our page
- CC companies: you're bluffing, you could do it and still profit. We aren't changing our demands
- OF: ok check this out then you motherf***ers, let's all lose money then
-CC companies: alright you were speaking the truth, let's play ball
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Because Beyonce namedropped it.
That's the long and the short of it. The word "onlyfans" is in quite a few rap songs and other mainstream stuff these days.
It's as big as PornHub. Therefore, it was as big of a target for those who were looking to take it down.
Thus pornhub first, onlyfans not far behind. At least OF is (seemingly) trying their damndest to still get us paid. Pornhub... not so much. No payments other than ad revenue are coming through PH.
Replace CC companies with banks and you've got it.
(Visa/MFC - cc companies - are the biggest contributors to the pressure, but it's the banks and merchant accounts that are pressured by THEM to drop companies like PH/OF. So, indirectly. Which explains why MC (and even the CEO of OF) says they had no direct impact on the decision last week.)
feel a bit foolish. on one hand, it seems to be the ethical thing to switch from onlyfans to a service like peach, on the other hand, ive spent 1.5 years building up a following and was only just starting to see some decent traction. im thinking about trying to swing both onlyfans and peach, but part of me feels like it would be entirely hypocritical of me to continue working with onlyfans. does anyone have these conflicting feelings? any advice on how to resolve?
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I think all of us are really feeling conflicted. I can’t speak for others personally but this week has not been easy for me and I have not even tried a new platform yet …
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I mean if you want to stay, that's also a valid choice. It doesn't hurt to diversify your income, use different platforms for different things, or to make accounts on other platforms to test them out and see if you like them. Personally I'm not sure about Peach, it has fewer features than OnlyFans so far and it just seems like a paywalled NSFW Instagram feed. Not sure if they will add more features later or not, but I'm not super impressed with it so far. What would make it cool if they integrated it into CB's Fanclub feature and used it as an incentive for people to sign up, especially if it means they can message the model on Peach when they aren't broadcasting. If Peach doesn't come out with stuff like this I don't really have high hopes for its viability.
As it stands I'm leaning towards Fansly because they had a lot of features I wanted (and didn't get) from OnlyFans and it seems to be getting some traction as far as popularity goes. JustForFans would be my second choice and I'd encourage male creators to at least check it out because they're known for gay content, they self promote from within the site, and they have a really kink friendly TOS. Though the only major downside is the site is a bit clunky and frustrating to use, and I think there's been some sort of drama with the founders but I don't know much about it.
its why we are constantly telling new bbs "get more eggs in your basket" that way if one of your sites do go down, you are already established even if it wasn't your main.
Be always on guard. In every business. I have my opinion, though. I kind of see a pattern here and maybe that was the plan from the beginning. Just my opinion. Anyways, adult business is not my business, so my opinion means nothing. I just want to say to not believe all the numbers that sometimes you find on the press.
Sorry if I ask, really? So basically they took 20% out of you to pay mainstream people, go viral, and then drop you. From a business standpoint makes sense. The plan didn't work, apparently. Also, I looked at that twitter account yesterday. How come I find Karen doing yoga and not MagicGlitterKitty4u. That's a disgrace, to be honest. My opinion.
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Well @Just_A_Guy I think that's maybe a bit backward. OF already had pretty widespread use among the SW/sexyworker community. But then Beyonce said it in a song and brought it to a whole new audience, and yes more mainstream people joined wanting to get their coins for nudes and lewds. More people already doing adult work joined because the platform's popularity was skyrocketing. Brand recognition is important!
But so is what you do with it. I don't think the popularity of OF was inevitably going to lead to negative impacts for SWs, but this was always a known possibility. I think the way it's been handled is pretty fucked, but within the community, this wasn't a totally new outcome that no one considered.
It kind of comes down to platforms deciding if they will cater to us or them, I think it has been proven over and over that trying to maintain BOTH sides doesn't work out longterm and we are always the ones who lose.
But so is what you do with it. I don't think the popularity of OF was inevitably going to lead to negative impacts for SWs, but this was always a known possibility. I think the way it's been handled is pretty fucked, but within the community, this wasn't a totally new outcome that no one considered.
It kind of comes down to platforms deciding if they will cater to us or them, I think it has been proven over and over that trying to maintain BOTH sides doesn't work out longterm and we are always the ones who lose.
Sure! Just asking, was OF a platform meant for adult from the beginning of that's what they made of it. Just asking. I know very little.
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The OG owner/creator of OF has a history with adult platforms, and I think the idea was certainly to capitalize on the underserved market of socials that would let adult performers have a presence, at the start.
To clarify though, I do agree with you that it's obviously shit to capitalize on a certain market just to turn around and boot the folks who built you up. I'm not defending that, and if that's how it ends up, big yikes. But at the same time, I understand why those who are already established there may want to stay depending on their own personal circumstances.
Didn't know about that. And so has the majority sharholder of OF which happens to be also the owner of MFC, a camsite very popular in the US, I believe. Hard to think this is happening without him knowing, right? Just find ridiculous that everybody goes after the banks, the aliens, the finance guys, and nobody in your business ask him questions. I mean, his business gets to to whatever he wants. My 2 cents.
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One of the articles I found indicated OF needed a lot of cash from investors (about $1B US) to buy out the MFC owner's share.
Well I believe wanting to cash out was the plan from the start. Build from adult and then cash out. Good luck.
Yes, looks like they worked out a deal with other banks.
"rejected reports that wariness from investors had sparked the move. Well, ok.
This is thoughts mostly speculation on my part.
- This whole thing wasn't planned on OF's part
- Neither OF nor the banks/mastercard predicted the backlash
- SW advocacy organisations and SWs themselves owned the narrative
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And as I know has been mentioned by others, this is bringing mega publicity and new eyes to the platform who would never have known about it otherwise. Whether I personally think the approach is right or wrong, whether I believe this is a stunt or a stumble, the outcome for now seems to be that the platform is going to remain on top. So that part seems like an immediate win for those who stay.
And there's definitely something to be said for weighing the benefits of the effort involved in trying to port your audience over to a new platform vs adapting to the revised rules of the game.I'm not on OF. I don't have any personal stake in this. I hope to see creators continue making their money, minus any uncertainty where possible. It will be interesting to me to see which platform steps up to the plate in the longer run, or whether OF maintains their hold on the market despite this messy stuff, if they want to.
I have no idea what happened behind the scenes but working at a bank, I do agree these companies are completely risk adverse. We have entire trainings dedicated to avoiding, reducing and reporting risk.
Being the bad guy = reputational risk
Adult industry chargebacks = financial risk
So perhaps someone weighed one risk against another. Being puritanical about adult work doesn’t figure into business decisions.
So are you saying that it’s possible that the banks that were causing the porn ban saw the extreme outcry, and decided to work with OF after all to avoid being the bad guys?
I wonder if they expressed concerns to OnlyFans as a way of playing hardball in financial talks, and they didn’t expect OnlyFans to overreact the way that they did. Causing them to walk it back once it became a public issue.
Not that you asked, but personally I find it hard to believe in how can I say, let's say porn trickle-down effect. I was reading an article yesterday where it was pointed out that everything was suspended until October 1, but by October 15 other requirements are to be enforced, so it will be interesting to see how everything will play out. Anyway, I guess we'll see and there will be more updates in the thread.
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I doubt it because why wouldn't they be continuing it afterwards. If this was their intent they would be continuing to get people questioning the power of private banks and that there's no public banks and how they can curb constitutional freedoms. Keep pushing the 'banks can control our lives in america' hard enough and either the banks will back down or politicians start to investigate them and they don't like that.
But they seem fine with just winning one battle while a war against them continues to build.
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