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SweepTheLeg said:
But as for Ron Paul, just to play devil's advocate with those that say if he became president ALL of this would happen, I believe it would be the same thing that is going on with Obama- Congress would stonewall and say no to everything while putting on blame on President Paul that nothing is getting done and is all his fault and then the Media and opponents would say all the promises he made were lies it's really quite easy.

Things were a lot simpler in my youth when the worst thing that happened was a President getting a blowjob. How much money did the republicans spend on dragging that through the court process? Hooray fiscal conservatism.

^^ Yup. I think no matter who gets the spot they won't be able to fulfill any the promises they make during the campaign. That's how it is every term, though. We get all caught up in these big ideas of change, but the reality is so different.

I guess that is why I put a lot more blame on Bush, not because it's a trendy and hip thing to do but because after 9/11 He had more power than an ordinary president because He had congress back him on everything and if anyone opposed him they were labeled unpatriotic and soon after voted out of office. I'd like to see what Obama could have done and changed had he not have had to go against the Stonewall of NO. Granted he's a muslim nazi socialist so we'd be burning bibles by now.

I like that people are showing initiative to get involved with politics but wish they would show more initiative than get all their news and opinions from news pundits. At my last job during break it was with nothing but Tea party folk but anytime I had any questions about their personal beliefs I would just get quotes from News Pundits, it was like asking a pastor a question and only getting scripture quoted to me and me left to decipher what it all meant.
 
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I'll just go ahead and say this I am damn lucky to be a straight white male that makes enough money to support my lifestyle both to afford the essentials while have enough to still have fun. I wish being a minority, a woman, or a homosexual could be just as easy and that is what sparks my political opinions.
 
SweepTheLeg said:
I'll just go ahead and say this I am damn lucky to be a straight white male that makes enough money to support my lifestyle both to afford the essentials while have enough to still have fun. I wish being a minority, a woman, or a homosexual could be just as easy and that is what sparks my political opinions.

It may not be easy but it damn sure shouldn't be an excuse. I'm 50% Native American and a woman and I don't expect pity or hand outs. My gay friends don't use homophobia as an excuse to why their lives are oh so horrible. The best way to get revenge is to do well and prove the bigots wrong, NOT expect pity or handouts.
 
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BustyJules said:
SweepTheLeg said:
I'll just go ahead and say this I am damn lucky to be a straight white male that makes enough money to support my lifestyle both to afford the essentials while have enough to still have fun. I wish being a minority, a woman, or a homosexual could be just as easy and that is what sparks my political opinions.

NOT expect pity or handouts.
Wanting equal footing with other human beings is not asking for a handout. There are gender and race biases in Education, Healthcare, Career... everywhere. It's one thing not to dwell on these issues and another to just ignore/belittle their existence. There aren't many ways that your gender and race don't quietly affect the opportunities your life holds. Women are paid less than Men who do the same job. Girls are more often ignored in school. Female test results in hospitals are misinterpreted far more often than males. AND if our birthcontrol fails us, many people (including some with ovaries), want us to stop being people for 40 weeks and just be a vessel for someone else's entry into the world without options or opinions (unless of course you can prove you were raped because that's not difficult at all). Screw that. :? Ugh ranty.
 
Nordling said:
What do conservatives really think about ordinary people? And I'm talking about conservatives in positions of leadership, not ordinary people, who, for whatever reason have chosen to label themselves "conservative." (I did that myself years ago)



As long as we're playing mind reader and stating with "authority" what others think... Can we make any assumptions about what our current president thinks after spending over 20 years sitting in this man's church?



And oh, in case anyone hasn't heard by now, Barak Obama's re-election plans for 2012 call for him to abandon white working class voters, they're just not worth wasting resources on.
 
I'm not saying people should use it as an excuse but they are forced to be stronger than I'd ever want to be, life is hard enough as is why should it be made any more difficult than it needs to be? But I guess if you want to take things to extremes of that is what I meant then that's your prerogative and to want equality among everyone is asking for a handout then so be it.
 
JickyJuly said:
BustyJules said:
SweepTheLeg said:
I'll just go ahead and say this I am damn lucky to be a straight white male that makes enough money to support my lifestyle both to afford the essentials while have enough to still have fun. I wish being a minority, a woman, or a homosexual could be just as easy and that is what sparks my political opinions.

NOT expect pity or handouts.
Wanting equal footing with other human beings is not asking for a handout. There are gender and race biases in Education, Healthcare, Career... everywhere. It's one thing not to dwell on these issues and another to just ignore/belittle their existence. There aren't many ways that your gender and race don't quietly affect the opportunities your life holds. Women are paid less than Men who do the same job. Girls are more often ignored in school. Female test results in hospitals are misinterpreted far more often than males. AND if our birthcontrol fails us, many people (including some with ovaries), want us to stop being people for 40 weeks and just be a vessel for someone else's entry into the world without options or opinions (unless of course you can prove you were raped because that's not difficult at all). Screw that. :? Ugh ranty.
lol Good rant though. And you've stated the essence of the whole thing. There's a tendency to belittle minorities and accuse them of being [fill in the blank]; too often people jump to "instead of whining they should pick themselves up by their own bootstraps" or similar. Okay, but first let's give them a bootstrap.
 
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Oy vey said:
Nordling said:
What do conservatives really think about ordinary people? And I'm talking about conservatives in positions of leadership, not ordinary people, who, for whatever reason have chosen to label themselves "conservative." (I did that myself years ago)



As long as we're playing mind reader and stating with "authority" what others think... Can we make any assumptions about what our current president thinks after spending over 20 years sitting in this man's church?



And oh, in case anyone hasn't heard by now, Barak Obama's re-election plans for 2012 call for him to abandon white working class voters, they're just not worth wasting resources on.

Dude. Now your just playing games. Know what? I don't give a flying fuck what CHURCH ANYONE has sat in for 1 year, 10 years, 20 years or a fucking lifetime. In this country, people go to churches, but thank Odin, Zeus and Mithra that the church you attend does not DEFINE YOU!

Does your church stand up to the cold light of scrutiny? All sugar and spice and everything nice? Then you're in a tiny minority.

Now, address the statements of Paul Weyrich...at a meeting of religious leaders attended by other Republicans, like Ronald Reagan, e.g. And no one spoke out against this monstrosity of a human being. Or do you agree with him that all citizens should not be allowed to vote? Perhaps only property owners? Only white men? That's what it was like in the early days of this country. Which is why I don't spew that crap about "but the founders..." Fuck the founders. When they said wise things, fine, I'll even quote them. But Paul Weyrich wants to turn back the clock to when only white, male, Protestant landowners could vote. Fuck him to hell.
 
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Nordling though I am agreeing with you because we share similar beliefs, I think you need to chill out a bit. Lets all just debate and be respectful at the same time it can be done us girls did it. Why can't you guys do it. In politics we should not be cursing at each other and me I cuss all the time almost every word that comes out of my mouth is either oh shit,fuck you(also used jokingly),hell yes and douche bag lol. We just need to debate a little more respectfully and this goes to all of us.Lets keep it classy boys and girls. :dance:
 
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sxycherrypie said:
Nordling though I am agreeing with you because we share similar beliefs, I think you need to chill out a bit. Lets all just debate and be respectful at the same time it can be done us girls did it. Why can't you guys do it. In politics we should not be cursing at each other and me I cuss all the time almost every word that comes out of my mouth is either oh shit,fuck you(also used jokingly),hell yes and douche bag lol. We just need to debate a little more respectfully and this goes to all of us.Lets keep it classy boys and girls. :dance:

:D Thank you, it really does take a lady to make men act civilized. :) :h: I'll try to chill my stuff. lol
 
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Nordling said:
JickyJuly said:
BustyJules said:
SweepTheLeg said:
I'll just go ahead and say this I am damn lucky to be a straight white male that makes enough money to support my lifestyle both to afford the essentials while have enough to still have fun. I wish being a minority, a woman, or a homosexual could be just as easy and that is what sparks my political opinions.

NOT expect pity or handouts.
Wanting equal footing with other human beings is not asking for a handout. There are gender and race biases in Education, Healthcare, Career... everywhere. It's one thing not to dwell on these issues and another to just ignore/belittle their existence. There aren't many ways that your gender and race don't quietly affect the opportunities your life holds. Women are paid less than Men who do the same job. Girls are more often ignored in school. Female test results in hospitals are misinterpreted far more often than males. AND if our birthcontrol fails us, many people (including some with ovaries), want us to stop being people for 40 weeks and just be a vessel for someone else's entry into the world without options or opinions (unless of course you can prove you were raped because that's not difficult at all). Screw that. :? Ugh ranty.
lol Good rant though. And you've stated the essence of the whole thing. There's a tendency to belittle minorities and accuse them of being [fill in the blank]; too often people jump to "instead of whining they should pick themselves up by their own bootstraps" or similar. Okay, but first let's give them a bootstrap.

EVERYBODY has a bootstrap. I'm not belittling anybody, I'm saying that if you are a minority and do not do well in your life it is not anybodys fault but your own. I'm not saying that it may not be harder for some people but everybody has control over their own destiny. I've never been one to sugarcoat shit and I don't feel bad for people who do nothing to change their circumstances.
 
JickyJuly said:
BustyJules said:
SweepTheLeg said:
I'll just go ahead and say this I am damn lucky to be a straight white male that makes enough money to support my lifestyle both to afford the essentials while have enough to still have fun. I wish being a minority, a woman, or a homosexual could be just as easy and that is what sparks my political opinions.

NOT expect pity or handouts.
Wanting equal footing with other human beings is not asking for a handout. There are gender and race biases in Education, Healthcare, Career... everywhere. It's one thing not to dwell on these issues and another to just ignore/belittle their existence. There aren't many ways that your gender and race don't quietly affect the opportunities your life holds. Women are paid less than Men who do the same job. Girls are more often ignored in school. Female test results in hospitals are misinterpreted far more often than males. AND if our birthcontrol fails us, many people (including some with ovaries), want us to stop being people for 40 weeks and just be a vessel for someone else's entry into the world without options or opinions (unless of course you can prove you were raped because that's not difficult at all). Screw that. :? Ugh ranty.

Everything cannot be equal tho. Life cannot be all rainbows and happiness. There will always be wars, poverty, prejudice and you have to learn how to deal with whatever your circumstance is and do well. It may be harder but it is not impossible.

The whole idea just bugs me, Everybody wants to be equal up until playing on their "minority" benefits them.
 
BustyJules said:
SweepTheLeg said:
I respectfully disagree

And that is what is great about this country. We are all entitled to our beliefs.
We have an agreement here. :)

I think what I'm saying is, that though not everyone can be equal in all things, and no one deserves to be given a successful life TO them, let us all work to make the "playing field" as even as possible. And I stress "... as possible." When there are land mines in the field that only explode based on your gender, religion, ethnicity, etc., we can attempt to make it better. Perfect? No, never, and if it was perfect, it'd be dull anyway.
 
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Nordling said:
sxycherrypie said:
Nordling though I am agreeing with you because we share similar beliefs, I think you need to chill out a bit. Lets all just debate and be respectful at the same time it can be done us girls did it. Why can't you guys do it. In politics we should not be cursing at each other and me I cuss all the time almost every word that comes out of my mouth is either oh shit,fuck you(also used jokingly),hell yes and douche bag lol. We just need to debate a little more respectfully and this goes to all of us.Lets keep it classy boys and girls. :dance:

:D Thank you, it really does take a lady to make men act civilized. :) :h: I'll try to chill my stuff. lol

Your very welcome =D.
 
There are other circumstances that happen that we can't foresee and we can't control so to tell people it's their fault they're poor is such an easy cop out. Not every one is poor because they are lazy and want a handout and for someone else to do their job for them just like not everyone who is rich is hard working and deserving of all the money they have. If all it took to be successful was hard work...

But still what my argument was, and is and it's not meant as a sole reason why people aren't successful is and Nordling covered it- I'd like the playing field to be as even as possible and to get the topic back on track somewhat there are things a government could do to even out that playing field and providing opportunities to those who deserve it. Otherwise being president could be easy as hell- Tell everyone it's their fault and it's their responsibility to fix it while I kick my feet up on my desk and wait for the next person to tell it's their fault and it's their responsibility to fix it. I could do that for 4 years too. Maybe turn it into 8 and if not then it's my campaign directors fault and it's his responsibility to fix it.
 
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Thanks all for this great thread! I'm following the US politics in the dutch news papers (im a news junky), and reading the views from ACF members in addition to it makes it more real and interesting.

Ohh, and me? By dutch standards im 'normal' left, to US of A standards, im a commie ...
 
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I agree with a lot of what you say. I too, would like to see a majority (if not all) of the US to have the same opportunities. In everything.

SweepTheLeg said:
Not every one is poor because they are lazy and want a handout
100% true, IMO

SweepTheLeg said:
not everyone who is rich is hard working and deserving of all the money they have. If all it took to be successful was hard work...
There is a difference between "rich" & "successful". I am a firm believer that hard work is a determining factor (but not the only factor) in being successful.

SweepTheLeg said:
there are things a government could do to even out that playing field and providing opportunities to those who deserve it.
Playing devil's advocate: Who decides this?
 
BustyJules said:
JickyJuly said:
BustyJules said:
SweepTheLeg said:
I'll just go ahead and say this I am damn lucky to be a straight white male that makes enough money to support my lifestyle both to afford the essentials while have enough to still have fun. I wish being a minority, a woman, or a homosexual could be just as easy and that is what sparks my political opinions.

NOT expect pity or handouts.
Wanting equal footing with other human beings is not asking for a handout. There are gender and race biases in Education, Healthcare, Career... everywhere. It's one thing not to dwell on these issues and another to just ignore/belittle their existence. There aren't many ways that your gender and race don't quietly affect the opportunities your life holds. Women are paid less than Men who do the same job. Girls are more often ignored in school. Female test results in hospitals are misinterpreted far more often than males. AND if our birthcontrol fails us, many people (including some with ovaries), want us to stop being people for 40 weeks and just be a vessel for someone else's entry into the world without options or opinions (unless of course you can prove you were raped because that's not difficult at all). Screw that. :? Ugh ranty.

Everything cannot be equal tho. Life cannot be all rainbows and happiness. There will always be wars, poverty, prejudice and you have to learn how to deal with whatever your circumstance is and do well. It may be harder but it is not impossible.

The whole idea just bugs me, Everybody wants to be equal up until playing on their "minority" benefits them.
In the eyes of any institution that my tax money supports, I should be seen as equal to any other citizen. AND if any other taxpayers are getting rainbows and unicorns, I damn sure better get those too. :blob8:
 
schlmoe said:
I agree with a lot of what you say. I too, would like to see a majority (if not all) of the US to have the same opportunities. In everything.

SweepTheLeg said:
Not every one is poor because they are lazy and want a handout
100% true, IMO

SweepTheLeg said:
not everyone who is rich is hard working and deserving of all the money they have. If all it took to be successful was hard work...
There is a difference between "rich" & "successful". I am a firm believer that hard work is a determining factor (but not the only factor) in being successful.

SweepTheLeg said:
there are things a government could do to even out that playing field and providing opportunities to those who deserve it.
Playing devil's advocate: Who decides this?
Regarding the last question, I think it's worded poorly. It's not WHO decides who gets opportunities but WHAT decides. In this case, the "even playing field" itself would, in essence, make that determination. Still, it's a very difficult thing, perhaps almost utopian. Humans are a greedy bunch and keeping them honest is a bit like shoveling sand against the tide, but nevertheless a worthy struggle.
 
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Dude. Now your just playing games. Know what? I don't give a flying fuck what CHURCH ANYONE has sat in for 1 year, 10 years, 20 years or a fucking lifetime. In this country, people go to churches, but thank Odin, Zeus and Mithra that the church you attend does not DEFINE YOU!

Does your church stand up to the cold light of scrutiny? All sugar and spice and everything nice? Then you're in a tiny minority.

Now, address the statements of Paul Weyrich...at a meeting of religious leaders attended by other Republicans, like Ronald Reagan, e.g. And no one spoke out against this monstrosity of a human being. Or do you agree with him that all citizens should not be allowed to vote? Perhaps only property owners? Only white men? That's what it was like in the early days of this country. Which is why I don't spew that crap about "but the founders..." Fuck the founders. When they said wise things, fine, I'll even quote them. But Paul Weyrich wants to turn back the clock to when only white, male, Protestant landowners could vote. Fuck him to hell.

Well, pretty much the standard hypocritical Liberal response I expected. You dismiss 20 years of indoctrination that Mr Obama received in Rev Wright's church, yet fly into a RAGE and DEMAND explanations for comments made in a speech delivered as an isolated incident. You say you don't give a flying @f%# about what church someone sat in for 20 years and that it doesn't define them? Well, to be fair, shouldn't you have the same attitude about a ONE TIME speech some Republican big shots listened to while eating cold chicken & mashed potatoes at a conference?

Your video presents NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that anybody should NOT BE ALLOWED to vote if they want to. NO EVIDENCE that anyone was planning to implement any sort of voter denial program. To use a Nordling word, that's just SILLY. In the absence of such evidence you jump to some pretty wild conclusions, make some pretty outrageous accusations, and reveal your true Christian and conservative hating perspective.

Here are the words spoken: "How many of our Christians have what I call the goo goo syndrome? Good government. They want EVERYBODY to vote. I don't want Everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections goes up as the as the voting populace goes down".

Using only the ripped out of context speech fragment above, the only meaning I can surmise is that elections with higher voter participation favor Liberals and elections with lower participation favor Conservatives. Since, I guess, Weyrich is talking about voter participation statistics in the context of winning elections, his statement that he doesn't want "EVERYBODY!" to vote, favoring lower voter turn out, isn't very sinister.

You accuse me of playing games. Well, the game I will not play with you is the Liberal one in which Democrats define the argument. Lets compare apples to apples. If a Republican is evil for selfishly wanting a low # of voter registrations, then a Democrat is also evil for selfishly wanting a high #. I'm sure you enjoyed wrapping yourself in the flag and screeching about imagined Republican oppression, but the reality is that Democrat registration efforts are less concerned about freedom than they are about stuffing the ballot box. LARGE voter turnout favors Democrats, so they have sought to distort & inflate voter rolls on a massive scale, with registrations that can't be confirmed. Democrats resist even the most lax requirements to make a voter identify themselves. Democrats have floated schemes that would allow illegal aliens, convicted felons and prison inmates to vote. The Democrat front group ACORN has even been caught registering the dead. So don't try to tell me that it's all sugar and spice and everything nice on the Democrat/lets register everybody side.

Not being in favor of wholesale efforts to increase voter registrations IS NOT THE SAME as taking an individuals right to vote away!

I guess in an effort to be extra specially alarming, this video identifies Paul Weyrich as the founding father of the conservative movement. Most people agree that William F. Buckley was the father of modern American conservative thought. Buckley was born in 1925, Weyrich in 1942.. Buckley had already founded "National Review" in 1955 when Weyrich was only about 13.
 
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Nordling said:
Regarding the last question, I think it's worded poorly. It's not WHO decides who gets opportunities but WHAT decides. In this case, the "even playing field" itself would, in essence, make that determination.
Once again, you are putting your words/assumptions/interpretations in somebody else's mouth. I meant "WHO decides this", because it is not a machine "who" will be doing the leveling. Therein lies the problem, who get's what; and who gets left out...AND who does the deciding.

Nordling said:
Still, it's a very difficult thing, perhaps almost utopian. Humans are a greedy bunch and keeping them honest is a bit like shoveling sand against the tide, but nevertheless a worthy struggle.
Agree 100%
 
schlmoe said:
Nordling said:
Regarding the last question, I think it's worded poorly. It's not WHO decides who gets opportunities but WHAT decides. In this case, the "even playing field" itself would, in essence, make that determination.
Once again, you are putting your words/assumptions/interpretations in somebody else's mouth. I meant "WHO decides this", because it is not a machine "who" will be doing the leveling. Therein lies the problem, who get's what; and who gets left out...AND who does the deciding.

Nordling said:
Still, it's a very difficult thing, perhaps almost utopian. Humans are a greedy bunch and keeping them honest is a bit like shoveling sand against the tide, but nevertheless a worthy struggle.
Agree 100%
No, I wasn't assuming anything about what you or anyone else meant, what I meant to say, if poorly, is how things SHOULD be. Purely my opinion. I try never to assume what someone else says unless it's completely unambiguous.

I hate having to qualify everything I say, but I'll try to do so. :D

Now, as far as who does the leveling...the law, and in some cases the lack thereof. No law should be enacted that allows people to "game the system," however, laws can be passed and enforced that attempt to reduce corruption. Like the way Mitt Romney made his money should not be an option.
 
bawksy said:
Suck it, sheeple.
Ha! Right...

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