Question for models

[Eddie77]

I received a very interesting mfc mail post today from a fellow member that I just don't believe.

In it, he/she said they had noticed me in another model's room and that I was not only talking, but tipping. The advice was that many models don't appreciate it when you are in Model A's room and then go to Model B's room (and maybe even the rooms of other models) and tip and converse. The email came after I had subsequently gone on to another model's room, where he/she was, too.

For the record, it is my nature to be respectful to women. Always has been. And it is natural for me to tip any woman who seems to have personality and is working one of the rooms (especially when they are in a room of 500+ members who are asking for this and that, but not tipping).

But I suddenly had to wonder if this person was right. Is there a territorial angle among models? Is there an ownership thing among some?

I've had a couple of women PM me to ask why I was spending time here or there, and why I was spending tokens. I don't have an ego and enjoy talking to everyone as life is too short, but after a while I felt like I was being stalked and had to shut down that angle of my PM's.

I'd appreciate any input from models. I sincerely don't want to offend anyone while online. I enjoy the site, but I was never of the belief that I was in the boyfriend/girlfriend game there.

Thanks in advance. I really enjoy this site, too.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

I received a very interesting mfc mail post today from a fellow member that I just don't believe.

In it, he/she said they had noticed me in another model's room and that I was not only talking, but tipping. The advice was that many models don't appreciate it when you are in Model A's room and then go to Model B's room (and maybe even the rooms of other models) and tip and converse. The email came after I had subsequently gone on to another model's room, where he/she was, too.

For the record, it is my nature to be respectful to women. Always has been. And it is natural for me to tip any woman who seems to have personality and is working one of the rooms (especially when they are in a room of 500+ members who are asking for this and that, but not tipping).

But I suddenly had to wonder if this person was right. Is there a territorial angle among models? Is there an ownership thing among some?

I've had a couple of women PM me to ask why I was spending time here or there, and why I was spending tokens. I don't have an ego and enjoy talking to everyone as life is too short, but after a while I felt like I was being stalked and had to shut down that angle of my PM's.

I'd appreciate any input from models. I sincerely don't want to offend anyone while online. I enjoy the site, but I was never of the belief that I was in the boyfriend/girlfriend game there.

Thanks in advance. I really enjoy this site, too.

It absolutely happens. Models do this... a lot. Often they feel hurt, betrayed when they see 'their' regs tipping elsewhere. It is silly. Models don't own members..

but yes it happens.

I personally think its a culture we should work to avoid... however if you want to be sure, ask the model. I think it was a weird thing for the member to do, to mail you about it.

 

[Eddie77]

Thanks, and I agree.

I tipped the woman and he wrote repeatedly "You're busted." I couldn't imagine what I had done, as I have never consciously offended anyone while on mfc. The mfc mail came as "friendly advice" and from the tone, I am taking it that the writer was a European who actually thought they were giving me a 'heads-up.'

It did floor me, though.

Thanks. I appreciate your answer. I try to walk a mile in the shoes of others as a rule, but this is one angle I had not considered.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

I don't get why they feel they should own member, but I see it happen. I personally think it's rude. I have a premium account. If I like what's going on/have extra cash I'll tip. However, if a girl pulls that BS she's blocked. I'm surprised about the members mailing you. Sites generally have rules against them doing that. I'm wondering the the member isn't the model trying to do a further guilt trip. If it continues I advise reporting them

 

[TashaDutch]

some models have this territorial rage you're talking about... and some don't at all

personally, i get a little upset, after a member spend alot of time in my room, talking and what not
just to go into another room and start tipping
it feels like they didn't enjoy it enough to tip, but still stuck around for whatever entertaining reason they had

and that's a bit offensive to me

however, i will never get upset if someone tips/visits other girls in general
most of the time i totally get why they do, there's so much awsome girls on mfc!
i can understand why this sometimes becomes an issue with models, it can make you feel insecure about what you're doing/offering

i do not understand when models can't keep this to themselfs(or to close friends,familly,model friends), and start to bother members/other models with it
there is no need to start a fight over the choices of a member regarding visiting and tipping other models
the world is full of awsome people, so if we could just share the love, talk about our feelings, but refrain from making a huge drama about it, i think it would be a much better working place

i don't think people contacting you truely believe that the model is in some kind of romantic relationship with you
from your story it's obvious that you're not, therefor i don't see the need to see this as a girlfriend/boyfriend thing
some people are just extremely territorial, and when you're an independant model, it can sting to see other model making more money, having more follower etc.
but like i said, i believe models should refrain from getting into fights and drama's over it

 

[zippypinhead]

I know I'm not a model, so this isn't directed toward me, but it's none of a model's damned business where I go or what I spend my money on outside of her room. If she wants me to be exclusive to her, she can put a ring on it.

That goes X1,000,000 for other members. If EVER I was the target of busybody behavior like that, I would waste no time telling my fellow member to kindly fuck right off.

 

[Evvie]

Because all models on MFC are in direct competition with each other, there can be a fair amount of upset when a member spends time with multiple models.

Usually, the upsets are when a member spends lots of time with model A but only tips model B. When I worked on MFC, there were several members who never tipped me but would tell me how they spent $300 on another woman because she 'needed it more'. Yes, it is hurtful, and I would be upset if this happened.

I feel the only time a model should be upset is when a member spends hours in her room without tipping, and she sees him tipping other models. That is a clear and direct signal that the member likes her less, and it is okay to be hurt by that.

The mere fact that a member hangs out with multiple models, though, is just that - a fact. You are not our boyfriends, husbands, or sons - we do not get to dictate what you do in your free time. Some models do get extremely offended when a regular does not immediately 'quit' all other models on MFC, and I think that standpoint is a little ridiculous. Before on MFC, I have had members profusely apologize to me that they were even logged in when I was not on my model account, and I had never made any indication that I would be upset or jealous.

So no, I don't think any model should dictate who you get to watch online, and I don't think it's a big deal at all - unless there is a huge tipping discrepancy, in which case, some upset is understandable (but she still doesn't get to say who you can and cannot watch).

 

[AedanRayne]

Unfortunately, there are models who feel that way as if a member is "cheating" on her when he spends time with other models. In my opinion, it's one of the most asinine things a model can do. We do not own anyone, we are not their wives, and it should be up to the member to decide where (s)he wants to enjoy themselves!

Personally, I encourage my friends to hang out and tip other models. I don't have jealousy when it comes to that because I want my friends to be happy & have fun. I've said this in other threads but cam sites have a bunch of flavors and a lot of the fun is to taste several! So, I cannot relate nor will I ever understand a jealous model.

An upsetting part of this equation is that I've gotten PM's from my friends stating they are sorry but they tipped x model... they literally feel guilty for it and I have to reassure them that it's fine that they're spreading the love! It's sad that some models have hurt members to the point where they feel guilty for enjoying themselves elsewhere... it's mind boggling & ridiculous. These ladies should get over themselves....

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I've encountered this in the past as well and have had time to think about my stance on this issue.
Several things make up this viewpoint

First, there's the general thought that I'm on mfc (or other sites as applicable) to relax and have a good time. I don't need someone trying to dictate or guilt me into saying what, or who, I can see. Most of the times I sign on I'm in a different mood, so I might want to see a cumshow, other times I might want to just chat. Sometimes I just really want to play hangman or listen to a cute lady read a story to me (yes, Iris. 'That's You!'). There are many different reasons why I'm on mfc and while I do have a few ladies I like visiting on a regular basis. There's also many more that I enjoy just certain aspects of their shows. So I visit quite a few different ladies. About the only thing they have in common is they are friendly. If I could never even picture a possibility of a friendship with them in real life I don't tend to hang much in those rooms. Nothing against them, just not clicking on a personal level for various reasons.

The other point is the whole concept of 'loyalty' to a single model. I've heard from other members that absolutely could NEVER go to any other models room because that would be cheating on her. I usually laugh at them for being pathetic losers. When it comes right down to it this is a business. Yes, friendships can happen. But you would never expect a model to quit camming, due to her realization of her undying love for you, and marry you; thus ensuring her loyalty to you. If she's not willing to do that, you owe her no more in return. I'm not saying a model should do this, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy involved in expecting the opposite.

I've been lucky to have never encountered that mentality from a model, most likely to me not spending much time in the rooms of ladies with that thinking to begin with. But If I did encounter it, either from a model or a member I'd nip that shit in the bud toot sweet.

 

[Eddie77]

Thanks Jerry. That was a tremendous, logical and applicable reply. I am certainly going to embrace a great many of the philosophies you have put forth.
Many thanks.

 

[Shaun__]

If a model wants me to just tip and talk to her, she needs to put a ring on my finger. I do not tell models what to do with their lives or who they can hang out with, and I expect the same courtesy from them.

 

[LilyEvans]

Things that make me jealous: When members who tip me very little but spend a lot of time in my room tell me how much they spent on someone else. These are usually the same members who complain when I don't get online, or tell me, "Oh, i have to go, my favorite model is on! Oh, but you're my second favorite :angry4: Ok cool, well you're like my least favorite member because you never tip and talk about inane nonsense the whole time you're in my room.

Things that I think are awesome: members who tip me AND other models! I love telling my room about my favorite models and sometimes I will even PM regulars from my premium account and go around tipping with them! I don't even mind it when members tell me about tipping another model-- as long as it's not in the context of, "And that's why I'm being highly demanding without giving you any tokens."

 

[JerryBoBerry]

If a model wants me to just tip and talk to her, she needs to put a ring on my finger. I do not tell models what to do with their lives or who they can hang out with, and I expect the same courtesy from them.

Dammit Shaun, you said what I said only in two sentences. Now I'm jealous. :handgestures-salute:

 

[NoelleBright]

I actually get a little embarrassed if I find out that a regular member of mine spends a lot of time in another models room and doesn't tip her.
It makes me happy to see other girls getting tokens.
It doesn't make me happy to know that I'm getting all of a members tokens but at the cost of another models feelings.

I really hope that made sense.

 

[Poker_Babe]

If I'm in another model's chat room while I'm on my perv account, and happen to see another reg of mine in there at the same time, I'll usually say "hey why don't ya tip her" in PM if I notice that he hasn't after enjoying the show for some time. It always makes me smile to see girls get tokens.

 

[Nordling]

Some members hang out in one model's room, but only tip in another model's room. Fact, yes, and sad for model A. But a slight mitigation of the dick who does it...

It's not that he likes model A less than model B... I believe, at least for SOME warped members, it's that he likes model A MORE. She's in a strange, camland version of "the friend zone." I've seen this in other threads and on MFC...where a member feels if he tips model A, it will somehow weaken the imagined "bond of friendship" he has with her. Sick? Maybe, but sick or not it sucks for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which it makes it harder for sane members to have online friendships.

 

[Anonymous]

Members can do what they want with their tokens, and it's none of the model's business who else you're spending your tokens on. This isn't a marriage...you don't need to give her a rundown of everything you did that day...lol.

I'd hope that most members have the common sense to not blurt out to a model "Sorry, I spent all my tokens on ____ earlier." Uh...dude, she didn't need to hear that...way to go. SMH.

So many guys feel like they have to apologize for not tipping, and I'm like "Why are you apologizing? You're keeping me company by chatting with me." That's more than I can say for some of these other dudes in here camped out in my room all night lurking.

There is no need to start lying to models about why you "can't" tip either. Because wouldn't that suck for you if you gave a phony sob story ("I got fired from my job") and then was seen 30 minutes later tipping 5,000 tokens to a different model. LOL. :naughty:

 

[JoleneBrody]

My thoughts on this are right there with LilyEvans.

I've banned quite a few members who never tip but make mention of tipping other girls or buying them presents. The ban had nothing to do with jealousy or the other girl, they were banned for disrespecting me in my place of business and lacking basic manners.

MFC is full of amazing, beautiful women on 24 hours a day. I'm just one person and I've got to have a life outside of MFC! I can't expect every one of my favorite people to not have other favorite people! Hell, I've got a stable of tippers and I'm sure they have a stable of models. That seems healthy to me and I'm just honored that a handful choose to spend their time with me when I am on.
I however don't want to hear about your other favorites or how much you tip them because #1 it's none of my business. #2 I'm still human (often hormonal) and prone to emotions, even if I don't like those emotions or agree with their existence, so let's just avoid them. :-D

To OP. The MFC mail was ridiculous. Models complain about members thinking MFC is a dating site and then some of them act this way. It's counter productive and breeds harmful attachment and heartache. You are obviously a very level headed person looking to stay far away from the emotional headgames. If I were you I would just take this as a learning experience in the type of models that are out there and move on to rooms that fit your needs better.

 

[southsamurai]

i dunno, i used to run into it a lot myself. back when i had a job and income and such. i tended to hold onto tokens more and save them up for big drops all at once. but since my life changed, so has my tipping.
when i have tokens i tend to spread them around... too much probably, but what else can i do lol? i dont really have a life so i hang around on mfc when im bored, when im lonely, heck for the sheer pleasure of hearing a lady's voice that isnt crass or rude (a sad southern thing of the last decade or so). so when i get lucky and find he odd 20 or so floating along a parking lot i grab it, turn it into tokens and spread it around as much as i can. of course that means tiny amounts to as many people as i can without the amounts getting insultingly low, and then its all gone in 20 minutes lol (i tend to offline tip or do it anon) i do it that way to make sure i dont miss anyone. and heck i still end up missing someone

 

[AedanRayne]

I would like to clear up one thing about my OP:

When I said that jealousy is one of the most asinine things a model can do - I am referring to the models who actually stalk their regulars in rooms and send them letters or PM's dripping in jealousy ooze. Sometimes we cannot control our feelings. However, we can control our actions and ripping someone a new one for enjoying themselves is way out of line and foolish IMHO.

One thing I've discovered though is that some members actually enjoy when a model is jealous. Perhaps it really gives them the "girlfriend / wife experience" because they continue to visit the model and enjoy their company. To each their own, I suppose, but it's definitely not my style to behave in this manner.

 

[Poker_Babe]

Oh, oh, oh... I'd also like to add... it's also very rude to come into a girl's chat room and tell her "hey, I just won $800 playing poker tonight" then hang out in her room for hours, and not tip anything. (This happens to me often btw)
I realize that this probably only happens to me or models that might happen to be playing strip black jack or some other casino style theme/game. But I thought I'd just throw it out there sense you gals were mentioning how rude it is when a member mentions that he spent x amount on another model, while tipping you nothing.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a model feeling a pang of jealousy when a regular of hers visits other models. It only becomes a problem when she gives that member shit because of it and becomes possessive.

Similarly there's nothing wrong with members hanging out with more than one model. There's also nothing wrong with liking a certain model (or models) more than other models and tipping in a manner that reflects that (there's nothing to say a member should have to tip each model they visit evenly). It only becomes a problem when they tell a model "oh hai, I just tipped another model sevently eleven tokens, byeeeeee" or if they never tip model D that they visit a couple of times a week because they give all their tokens to models A, B and C who they visit when they're not in model D's room.

It can all be boiled down thusly...

Models - don't be possessive
Members - don't be tactless

That way, there should be no dramaz :twocents-02cents:

 

[JoleneBrody]

One thing I've discovered though is that some members actually enjoy when a model is jealous. Perhaps it really gives them the "girlfriend / wife experience" because they continue to visit the model and enjoy their company. To each their own, I suppose, but it's definitely not my style to behave in this manner.

This! While it's annoying, the "possessive model" game is actually feeding a need. I've known a member for well over two years. From the day I met him he has felt the need to "brag" about needing to leave because another model get's mad. As annoying as it is, it's what he wants. He wants to feel special and wanted, I don't want to hear about it anymore so he is no longer welcome in my room. I don't play that game and refuse to be even be part of the process. However, there are a handful of members who are ONLY on MFC because of this, and if their need to be needed wasn't being fed they would go to another site to get it.

 

[The Insider]

I've had an odd tipping related experience lately

It involved a model that i have tipped generously, I was in her room just relaxing and chatting. Another member tipped her appx 100tkns in 20 increments in about a minute. After a bit she got angry at him, berated him then banned him. He had his tokens & reward points visible and according to how she explained it afterward to me she could see he had 500tkns left, then suddenly none, so he must have also been in another models room & tipped that other girl. She felt he should have tipped them to her. I was very turned off and have hardly been back to her room. It seemed so shallow to me & not at all the way she represented herself to be. She had a bit of a so what attitude, that she banned him but someone else will come along & take his place. For a model that struggles to keep 100 in her room at a time that's a very cavalier attitude to have

This isn't a place to come & find husbands/wives, bf's or girlfriends (though that does happen) and we all have enough drama in rl, someone should be able to tip whomever they want without getting shit for it. And if someone does catch shit for it move on, cause you are likely begin taken for granted.

 

[Meoff_69]

Hell, I've got a stable of tippers and I'm sure they have a stable of models. That seems healthy to me and I'm just honored that a handful choose to spend their time with me when I am on.

Are you suggesting I have a stable of whores? Am I a...whoremonger, to you?! Cuz GATUH don't front like that! :hand: Hahahaha! :shock: Hey, JJ! I keed, bb! :mrgreen: WHOA!!...hey....put the sledgehammer down, please!! *trips*

 

[Eddie77]

I've gone out of my way to thank everyone who has posted on this thread in some way, shape or form. I truly appreciate the perspective.
I'm going to try to word my response in such way that doesn't act to paint my character as being 'full of myself' or 'arrogant.' On the contrary, I'm just a regular guy, no better than anyone else.

I see mfc as a microcosm of life, really. I see guys there who appreciate women, and who tip in that regard. These people remind me of mature types who see a bigger picture. Yet to me at least, the great majority of members on this or any other cam site are pre=pubescent types who continually want to yell, 'Show me your tits', etc., or make requests that were spelled out in the model's profile, which unfortunately get ignored. In this regard, some rooms often border between being back in high school or on a construction site.

But knowing this, I'm my own worst enemy when it comes to my personality. Yes, I tip. Yes, I am respectful. I get the "you're not like other guys" every other day and my own personality lends itself to the 'territorial' idea. I suspect I am not alone.
So if I am on, any model who I've deemed a favorite will generally PM me as soon as they log-on and look at their own friend list.
It's the occasional tug of war that I'm not a fan of.

So, I get it. I understand why the models are the way they are. The tokens are one thing but many seem to be surrounded by little boys as soon as they show cleavage. I just think a few girls go overboard...and I think there is such a thing as being 'too nice a guy.' Guilty. Too nice....but not stupid with money.

Last, I look at it this way. I really like mfc and the models. I think the 'other' cam site is often a cesspool of scammers, especially where eastern Euros are concerned. I understand poverty too, but sheesh. Given the choice of the two situations, I'll take the occasional territory tugs any day.

Thanks to all.

 

[Meoff_69]

Okay, serious answer from my own personal experience. First, kudos to the OP! Your post was well thought out, respectful to all parties, and right on the money for a lot of your fellow members! This fella, included! :thumbleft:

Like JJ said, she has a lot of her favorite tippers...that have other favorites models, as well. And I'm definitely in this category. When I first started on MFC, my "fave/friends" list was a mile long. After weeding out (sorry, no better way to say it) the models that I didn't really have a good connection with, I'd streamlined my list of favorite models to a small block. And by "connection" I'm referring to the feel of her room, the people that I chat with, how the model and I interract with each other, etc. I had to literally start scheduling my perv time with that block of models.

Like many other members who have posted, I like to visit other rooms as well. And I try to spread my tokens out, too. I do have one model that I tip the proverbial "lion's share" of my tokens to. And I also invest most of my time, in her room. But she doesn't know this. I think she might...but I'm rambling now. But I also try very hard to show some love to the rest of my favortite models. It can be something as simple as a tweet, to sending those other models a "just because I was thinking about you" offline tip.

Anywho, to echo what many have said, I do not mention another model while in a model's room. The only exception to the rule that I've seen, is if a model is using one of her prem accounts and is visiting a lady's room...and BOTH models know and have no problems with the rest of the room knowing who the "prem account" model...really is.

One problem that I've had recently is that I had a model PM me and basically told me that she was disappointed and felt like she was a "bottom bitch" to the members. And that she felt that way whenever a certain model logged on, she thought that most of her regulars only visited/tipped her when this particular model wasn't online. To make matters worse, I didn't...and I've never... abruptly leave her room when the other model started broadcasting. I only left, after she'd given up, and logged off after a slow night. And here's the REAL kicker...this model has a camscore that is considerably higher than that of the model that "just logged on!" *EDIT* I really need to cut back on my run-on sentences! LOL

The whole thing has put me in a very uncomfortable position. Because I consider this lady a friend, I tried to be positive and reassure her that plenty of members love what she does, and that I personally wasn't "going anywhere" and I loved to hang out with her. Needless to say, it didn't cheer her up. Sadly, as a result, I've had to cut back on visiting her room, as of late. And that's because I don't want things to get awkward with her.

In my humble opinion, EVERY lady that puts herself out there in the camworld, be it on MFC or elsewhere, has my respect. You all bust your asses to entertain, inspire, arouse..etc. But here's where I have to be frank, and point out that tact and respect, are a two way street! Ladies...If you expect me, as a member, to respect your room and your rules (as they should be respected)...respect you as a human being (as I sincerely do)...then please extend me the same courtesy! I understand that MFC is not a dating site, and that this is your business! I also understand that if we're friends...my support, friendship and encouragement, doesn't pay your bills, when I have no tokens to give you.

And last...Aedan pointed something out on a previous topic, that really moved me. (Sorry for calling you out, Aedan! LOL) She reminded herself about something that I feel all models should be reminded of, from time to time. That being...please remember that if I can only tip you 200 tokens, for example, that's $10 to you. That "$10"...cost me $20, for the privilege of giving those tokens to you!

Okay...now I'm really rambling, and ranting. Sorry if I got off topic. And of course, I mean no disrespect to models or members. This was just my :twocents-02cents:

 

[emptiedglass]

Well, I'm beginning to see why a lot of members have multiple premium accounts now. :lol:
I occasionally split my attention between more than one room, and will jokingly apologize to one of my regular models for "cheating" on her.
I've always kept my token and reward point balances hidden. To me, it's no one's business how many tokens I currently have, or have bought over the entire course of being an MFC member. I think I've only ever (momentarily) unhidden my token balance to show a model that yes, I did have enough tokens for a few minutes in private... but this was after a few assholes wasted her time with shows that lasted less than a minute each.
And I'll agree, it's just bad manners to talk about tokens spent on one model in another model's room. In general, I try to avoid talking about ANY other models, period.

 

[Eddie77]

Yeah, I've heard about multiple accounts before. I always equated this with mfc's slow, incremental token purchase system that I made note of in my first post (another story altogether that still makes little sense to me, but again...I figure when I hit, what 5000 or 10, 000 reward points, the gates will open up for me). After today, I'm more inclined to think it is in line with what you are alluding to....hiding from your favorites. Yikes.

Oh well.

 

[emptiedglass]

Yeah, I've heard about multiple accounts before. I always equated this with mfc's slow, incremental token purchase system that I made note of in my first post (another story altogether that still makes little sense to me, but again...I figure when I hit, what 5000 or 10, 000 reward points, the gates will open up for me). After today, I'm more inclined to think it is in line with what you are alluding to....hiding from your favorites. Yikes.

Oh well.

There was also a discussion here recently (I don't remember where) about people being "known" big tippers and expected to tip heavily in whatever room they're in.
While I've never had to worry about that myself, I can see where people in that situation would want to create another, "incognito" account.