Question re: setting up own cam website

[xstreamium]

Nobody seems interested in something different and totally new. So I'll take what I've been given and move along as such. I figured maybe SOMEONE would be interested in make the site that is already built a ton better , but people want to look back it seems. No worries! It isn't for everyone I get it How does one lock a topic on this ?

:lol:

See the part I bolded in my previous quote/reply here.

Bitcoin-pay-per-streaming is different and 100 % profit is different and I believe this will be the first trust less webcaming system in the world. IMHO.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Vintage bitcoin fuckery.

 

[Sevrin]

Folks this is gonna be... wait for it... THE UBER FOR CAM GIRLS!

 

[JerryBoBerry]

While this could be the case I do think having 4 billion dollars worth of it out there its worth going after and you could be right , it could be a personal choice.

That's the problem with Bitcoin. It isn't out there for you to go after. It's a smoke screen artificially adjusted by a few who make money leaving the majority with very little. You're going after a really small amount of a small amount.

According to Boston University Finance Professor Mark Williams the price has really been driven by an influential few. Just 47 people own 29% of all outstanding Bitcoins; 930 own 50%. Another 10,000 folks bring the total owned by the largest coin holders to roughly 75%, leaving a sliver to be split among about 1 million small-change Bitcoiners.

From his top 10 risks about Bitcoins.
http://www.bu.edu/questrom/2014/10/...currencies-at-the-world-bank-conference-2014/

Bitcoin is not legal tender
Extreme Price Risk
Extreme Price Risk Can Quickly Erase Company Profit Margins
Bitcoin is a Hyper Asset Bubble in the Process of Deflating
Growing Concentration and Bankruptcy Risk to Financial Middleman
Bitcoin Exchange Bankruptcy Risk
Bitcoin Use Can Trigger Significant Tax Risk
Transactional Fraud Risk – Double Spending
Significant Consumer Protection Risk
Sovereign Attack Risk

Personally I've thought bitcoins were shit scams from the start and they've just gotten worse. People are free to do what they want, but i'll never invest in them.

 

[yummybrownfox]

So I'm just wondering should there never ever be any new webcam sites ? I mean people have to start somewhere.

Yes, people have to start somewhere. But models who've been doing this for years will, understandably, be hesitant to sign up on a cam site that's just starting out with no track record. Even the models who are looking for another cam site "egg" to add to their basket. They will, most likely, consider other established cam sites that their fellow cam girls have raved about. Sites like MyFreeCams...Streamate...etc. Those are the two biggies, in my opinion. Models who absolutely do not want to do free chat/public chat may go for ImLive...Cams...AdultWork...CamModelDirectory...LiveCamModelShows...etc. The list goes on and on.

Also, when it comes to new cam sites, models like to hear from other models that they've gotten their first paycheck from the site. Some of us have cammed on a site, and wound up NOT getting the money we were owed. It happened to me once with some bullshit Webcams.com studio. So before we put our time and effort into a new site, it's nice to hear from other models who've been paid already.

A lot of these new cam sites boast about how they have "the highest percentages in the industry" and this and that, thinking it's gonna encourage more sign-ups. But percentages don't mean dick if there's little to no traffic. Not to seem harsh. I've never cared for Streamate, personally, but the reason so many models stay there is that, despite the low percentage of 35%, that site gets TRAFFIC. That's why you see so many SM models constantly in private shows or Gold shows.

 

[yummybrownfox]

Will it is pesky a lot of girls don't want to do such things they just want to get going and get paid.

Oh, HELL NO. Those "girls" better go find some other work to do then. Age verification is a MUST... :naughty:

 

[Amberlie_]

Your title is "setting up own CAM WEBSITE", then you go on to complain no one is interested and is down on you, and only THEN do you mention the site is a collection of links. I don't get it, what are these links? A camsite has camgirls (who need to be age verified or you will have a whole heap of legal shit to clean up!), and live streams. Generally YOU are the one hosting those streams or paying for the platform which does. If that's what you're talking about then I restate my case, it's been done to death and just won't work. Now if it's something ELSE you're talking about then you haven't really communicated that very well. Do you mean like an indie listing site where girls just advertise themselves?

 

[Finley]

Why would anyone want to get paid in one of the most volatile virtual currencies there is??? Say you make the $300 worth of bitcoin in a day, what happens when someone wakes up and that $300 has gone down tremendously. I think having any kind of streaming with only ONE way to pay is foolish. You need to make it convenient for both models and members and this does not sound convenient. Also, let me reiterate, volatile virtual currency.

 

[xstreamium]

Why would anyone want to get paid in one of the most volatile virtual currencies there is??? Say you make the $300 worth of bitcoin in a day, what happens when someone wakes up and that $300 has gone down tremendously. I think having any kind of streaming with only ONE way to pay is foolish. You need to make it convenient for both models and members and this does not sound convenient. Also, let me reiterate, volatile virtual currency.

Hi Finelyxxx - Bitcoin is only volatile ( actually its pretty stable right now for the past year ) if you keep it and not have it converted instantly which most services can do for you. Will its just a difference of opinion I suppose I think there is a big market and future for digital currency and I think it can compete with fiat. Everything is going digital and I do think currency will also.

 

[xstreamium]

Your title is "setting up own CAM WEBSITE", then you go on to complain no one is interested and is down on you, and only THEN do you mention the site is a collection of links. I don't get it, what are these links? A camsite has camgirls (who need to be age verified or you will have a whole heap of legal shit to clean up!), and live streams. Generally YOU are the one hosting those streams or paying for the platform which does. If that's what you're talking about then I restate my case, it's been done to death and just won't work. Now if it's something ELSE you're talking about then you haven't really communicated that very well. Do you mean like an indie listing site where girls just advertise themselves?

Hi xKatieBabyx - So I suppose its a hybrid website so to speak and its different in the sense that we literally don't host your streams YET you sign up to stream on our site ( as in the link is on our site to stream ) which DOES generate a link . Are you familiar with The Pirate Bay ? There are files that aren't hosted on there website yet you are allowed to view their files for which everyone shares on the computers. That is what these decentralized webcam links do. That is the closest example I can get to it. Also, the links I speak of are all generated and posted on our website. So this isn't different links from different sites ( like cammodelsdirectory.com ) its all links from people signed up and put into a directory and shown on the front page so people know you are online. Age still doesn't matter in this system ( obviously, if its reported its pulled down and we send over necessary documents if they want to continue on the site ) but to get up and running you don't need documents. The part I was more asking originally and it becomes sort of " starting my own cam site" is each 'link/stream' is housed on the site so people can still interact around the stream on the site. Think of it like a profile page with all the badges you would typically see on a webcam site profile just the stream isn't hosted by us , yet we offer this profile in much the same way. I guess you could consider once streamium ( this is the software ) takes off that we are a place for indie girls of streamium to list their stream. <- This is a great way to describe as what will happen is if you do use the software there is NO PLACE to advertise it currently ( or advertise effectively I should say ) so they use our directory. You could be right that I didn't clarify it that good , because I was more interested in knowing what the girls like around the 'profile' pages and functions they would like to see. My bad.

 

[weirdbr]

I know it sounds odd ,but our processing costs are zero, bandwidth will only be site traffic NOT streaming as we are going to use a p2p system , site maintenance /dev is already covered and paid for.

As someone who works with video streaming infrastructure (both for VOD and live), I can't help but laugh out loud at this. We have looked at this possibility (and others have done, such as Bittorrent) and it's a nightmare (legal, technical, user perception) that is not worth the cost.
Just a few technical issues to keep in mind:
- NAT + NAT traversal (and as much as I would love IPv6 to just become a reality this year, it's still going to take a few more years. Plus, a lot of carriers seem to love NAT and seem to want to deploy NAT-like setups for IPv6, which makes me want to punch them)
- home routers are crap and will make the user's connection suck once you have too many connections established
- most home connections aren't fast enough to upload video in real time. This is specially problematic for the models as until there's enough people in the stream, they would be uploading their video to N different users, requiring a connection that is much faster than what they have now (and for most models, they already have the top service option from their ISP)

I could go on and on, but given that you have ignored the feedback from models on all other aspects so far including key ones like age verification, I feel like I would be shouting into the void.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Age still doesn't matter in this system...

...to you.

 

[Sevrin]

Age still doesn't matter in this system...

...to you.

 

[xstreamium]

I know it sounds odd ,but our processing costs are zero, bandwidth will only be site traffic NOT streaming as we are going to use a p2p system , site maintenance /dev is already covered and paid for.

As someone who works with video streaming infrastructure (both for VOD and live), I can't help but laugh out loud at this. We have looked at this possibility (and others have done, such as Bittorrent) and it's a nightmare (legal, technical, user perception) that is not worth the cost.
Just a few technical issues to keep in mind:
- NAT + NAT traversal (and as much as I would love IPv6 to just become a reality this year, it's still going to take a few more years. Plus, a lot of carriers seem to love NAT and seem to want to deploy NAT-like setups for IPv6, which makes me want to punch them)
- home routers are crap and will make the user's connection suck once you have too many connections established
- most home connections aren't fast enough to upload video in real time. This is specially problematic for the models as until there's enough people in the stream, they would be uploading their video to N different users, requiring a connection that is much faster than what they have now (and for most models, they already have the top service option from their ISP)

I could go on and on, but given that you have ignored the feedback from models on all other aspects so far including key ones like age verification, I feel like I would be shouting into the void.

Not sure where I've ignored feed back that is interesting. It is already being done so not sure how you can see its not technically doable ? We have girls streaming right now without many problems. Of course, the system does need to scale ,but that will grow with time. Clearly you have no clue what your talking about in regards to the system we are going to be using. Of course, I'll be ignoring this feedback

 

[xstreamium]

Age still doesn't matter in this system...

...to you.

Of course if minors do stream they will be taken down that is a given. My point was there is nothing I can do to prevent them from starting a stream and listing on the site till after-the-fact. Just the way the system works and helps us not have to worry about things also since we aren't responsible for the streams streaming.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

My point was there is nothing I can do to prevent them from...listing on the site till after-the-fact.

Bullshit motherf*cker. You can prevent them by requiring the "necessary paperwork" (as you put it) before you list them. You don't want to because it is a hassle you would rather avoid.

At the end of the day, you are only in competition with r/CamShow. And I will shun you for many of the same reasons I shun r/CamShow. But I will go the extra mile to avoid you, simply because of the harum-scarum attitude you have shown towards age verification.

Best of luck to you. May you meet with riches beyond your wildest dreams.

 

[xstreamium]

My point was there is nothing I can do to prevent them from...listing on the site till after-the-fact.

Bullshit motherf*cker. You can prevent them by requiring the "necessary paperwork" (as you put it) before you list them. You don't want to because it is a hassle you would rather avoid.

At the end of the day, you are only in competition with r/CamShow. And I will shun you for many of the same reasons I shun r/CamShow. But I will go the extra mile to avoid you, simply because of the harum-scarum attitude you have shown towards age verification.

Best of luck to you. May you meet with riches beyond your wildest dreams.

No reason to cuss. No, there isn't anyway I can prevent them from joining hence the term decentralized adult webcams meaning nobody can shut your stream down not even me. Sorry, but your just flat out wrong. It isn't avoid age verification, its because there is NOTHING we can do about it till someone says there is "someone streaming who is a minor yank the link down" and have them prove who they are to get it back up.

 

[Sevrin]

No reason to cuss. No, there isn't anyway I can prevent them from joining hence the term decentralized adult webcams meaning nobody can shut your stream down not even me. Sorry, but your just flat out wrong. It isn't avoid age verification, its because there is NOTHING we can do about it till someone says there is "someone streaming who is a minor yank the link down" and have them prove who they are to get it back up.

You could, um, verify their ages before accepting them, just like every other cam site.

 

[xstreamium]

No reason to cuss. No, there isn't anyway I can prevent them from joining hence the term decentralized adult webcams meaning nobody can shut your stream down not even me. Sorry, but your just flat out wrong. It isn't avoid age verification, its because there is NOTHING we can do about it till someone says there is "someone streaming who is a minor yank the link down" and have them prove who they are to get it back up.

You could, um, verify their ages before accepting them, just like every other cam site.

Yes, there will be. I was more stating that there is nothing we can do from streaming aspect of the system.

 

[Gen]

You mention you would have to take down the link if the person was reported.
Why not just require an age verification before posting the link? If there was no link posted, how would people access the stream? Surely there's something I'm missing here but I'm genuinely trying to understand what your plan is.

 

[xstreamium]

You mention you would have to take down the link if the person was reported.
Why not just require an age verification before posting the link? If there was no link posted, how would people access the stream? Surely there's something I'm missing here but I'm genuinely trying to understand what your plan is.

I think there might be some confusion I thought people were speaking about the stream itself ( there is no paper work to get a stream going ) . There is verification of who you are if you plan to link to the site , NOT for the stream. So the stream can still go on even before we can get verification that is to say the stream operates separately from the site . So someone could let us know ahead of time if someone is a minor and streaming and we'll request verification at that point. It might sounds confusing but will become more clearer.

 

[housewifeswag]

nope I am totally lost.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

No, there isn't anyway I can prevent them from joining hence the term decentralized adult webcams meaning nobody can shut your stream down not even me.

If there is no way you can prevent them from joining...
then how can you prevent them from remaining?

Bullshit motherf*cker. You don't want the hassle of age verification. Not if it interferes with a quick buck.

Bow out whenever you realize how stupid this scheme is.

Again, best of luck to you and your immoral plans for world domination.

 

[Amberlie_]

I'm lost too. I have no idea what these links are all about.

But apart from anything... BITCOIN! Do a show for however many then wake up tomorrow and uhoh they lost all their worth and I get nothing? Don't bloody think so! And the website OMG, just looked and it literally says camgirls you're being ripped off, join here! No further info or anything. Majorly shady!! :-/

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Age still doesn't matter in this system...

...to you.

Of course if minors do stream they will be taken down that is a given. My point was there is nothing I can do to prevent them from starting a stream and listing on the site till after-the-fact. Just the way the system works and helps us not have to worry about things also since we aren't responsible for the streams streaming.

So...how are you going to tell? Lots of legal girls look young and lots of minors look legal. Are you just gonna hope that members report young-looking girls and are right?

I see this website getting shut down and ending up in the news. Reading about your site is actually making me sick to my stomach, the way you keep avoiding responsibility and blaming it on the software. If your software can't do these things, that's a big fucking problem and you're an idiot if you think someone isn't going to report you to the CPS.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I'm deeply disturbed by the fact that were Juju here right now, I'd probably be... agreeing with her :?

Wilfully facilitating pedophilia and exploitation of minors with little more than a shrug of the shoulders on the way to the bank is pretty shitty, ya know?

 

[TacoBelle]

I was going to say what Veronica already said: there's no way to "tell" who is a minor and who isn't. It's obviously not like the model will be showing her ID on cam to prove to the members that she's over 18.


1) You say that most models don't like filling out that pesky paperwork, so you're not going to make them do that. WRONG. Any semi-intelligent model will realize that she is going to need a 1099 to properly file taxes. Otherwise, it's basically just "money under the table" that will be deposited directly into her account. Any CPA or bank institution is going to see deposits of X amount of money and assume it was received in illegal ways. NO. You're shooting yourself in the foot by NOT making the models fill this out. You're a business with independent contractors working for you. You need to treat it as such.


2) No member will likely be using your site to find camgirls because if the model is not of legal age, and they get found out, they'll be the ones going to jail for child pornography. Even though, they assumed that because they found her on a cam site that she must be legal. No guy will want to risk that. You claim it would be exactly like Yahoo chat. Yes, it would, except with a 100% chance of nudity/sexual acts. It's even advertised as an adult site. If it is a site (even just a directory that links to streams) that allows (or promotes) nudity/sexual acts, you have to have some form of proof of the girls (and viewers) being above 18. IF YOU DO NOT: No model NOR MEMBER will want to work with you due to legal repercussions.




I highly suggest you do a bit more research on this (reading other camsites' TOS, reading all blogs/forums related to camming, etc) and talk to a lawyer. Explain EXACTLY what it is you want to do, and find out exactly what you NEED to do to cover your ass, the models' asses, and the members' asses.

^Those are a lot of asses. And if you want to make this camsite a reality, they're all gonna depend on you to do your homework.

 

[AmberCutie]

The way their site looks to be set up, girls who are broadcasting appear to be streaming directly on Streamium's website. It would be a smart move to verify age and identity before allowing this to happen.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Lol I totally missed the comparison to yahoo. That is not a comparison you want to be making; yahoo chat rooms was a breeding ground for pedophiles back in the day (I used to go in them when I was a kid and the number of sexual requests I got was staggering) and they eventually shut down the user-made chat rooms because it was disgusting.

So yeah I guess the comparison might be apt.

Also, if pedophiles and those creating underage pornography caught wind of this leniency, you can bet they'd be flocking to your site and it would be used for nefarious purposes. I'd put money on it becoming the dark web for cams and full of illegal activity.

Edited to share link about yahoo controversy regarding minors and sexual content: http://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Yahoo_clo ... al_conduct

 

[weirdbr]

Not sure where I've ignored feed back that is interesting.

I see; so what you ignore is 'not interesting'. Interesting way to frame feedback that you disagree with.

It is already being done so not sure how you can see its not technically doable ? We have girls streaming right now without many problems. Of course, the system does need to scale ,but that will grow with time. Clearly you have no clue what your talking about in regards to the system we are going to be using. Of course, I'll be ignoring this feedback

Feel free to ignore it - I know very well what I am saying: I didn't say it wasn't technically doable, just that there are plenty of reasons why no one else is using it. In fact, we did a cost/benefit analysis and opted instead to focus our budget into optimising our existing infrastructure to get better results.