Sex Work

[Kickaz]

I am pro sex work as long as it doesn't involve human trafficking or anything that is not consensual. Personally, I would never consider prostitution, escorting, stripping (club) and the other kinds of work because

a. I don't believe I would enjoy them (I enjoy sex but I have a hard time doing it with strangers, i also wouldn't be very good at trying to please one person and I have a problem with taking sexual requests)

b. for me personally the cons(risk of stds, possibility of getting physically hurt) are higher than the pros

If you are a woman/man that is in that side of the industry and you are happy doing it all kudos to you! I certainly don't judge you for it and I applaud your hard work because it's not easy.

The stigma of sex workers being emotionally damaged,over consuming drugs, having low education... and bla bla bla

I obviously know it's not true for everyone but I also believe a portion of them end up like it. In my opinion society plays a big part in turning sex workers towards this lifestyle. A lot career doors are shut if you do sex work, family members and friends often alienate you because they don't get your choice. Men will "slut shame you" and you become undesirable because you are not that submissive, innocent, clean pure woman that you are supposed to be, while these dudes are doing the same thing as you BUT are praised for it.
Most folks that have "normal" jobs would probably end up in rehab if they had to deal with all this stigma and alienation on a daily basis.

I think society needs to grow the fuck up and know that sex is NOT bad, in contrary without it we wouldn't be here today.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

You know that thread i posted in models only looking for media feedback? and everyone was talking about HOW MUCH THEY LOVE their job, but how it can be isolating because of society's stigmas? (I'm assuming its ok to talk about it here, cos the ladies that replied were aware that their words could be used by the media)

I think you nailed kickaz when you said that when girls 'become' the porn/sex work stigma..

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that society tells us every day we are NOT ok for doing this.. in some form or other, while at the same time glorifying sex and sex appeal as being desirable.

Society isolates people that are in sex work, it punishes them, and then it wags its finger at them when they turn to negative means of coping with their every day struggles, that we all have as humans.

 

[Evvie]

I have no problem with other sex work, unless it is my husband partaking. He would be soooo dead. :lol:

:lol:

As to the whole 'shame of human toilet thing', well shame is in the eye of the umm...toilet.

I readily agree it's gross, $40,000 is a lot of money. Some people need it more than others. Some people, and I think I'm one of them, would just live through the grossness, keep my own counsel, laugh all the way to the bank and smoke the most knockout memory repressing bowl of stank straight up pungent indica I could get my hands on :-D

Here is a thought.

Some people enjoy corprophilia and poo play specifically because they find it to be humiliating and degrading. To say that people shouldn't engage in corprophilia because it is degrading to them is to blatantly decide that humans should not be allowed to consensually engage in degradation - that is, you are denying other humans the right to feel certain emotions. Like the evil Jedi, I do not think that this is a positive thing.

I know many people who enjoy humiliation/degradation experiences, so I'm not sure "that's degrading so people shouldn't do it" is a valid argument. Why can't people be degraded and humiliated if they want to be?

 

[Evvie]

(Just after I made that post, I went on Streamate and got a member in my room by the name of 'PoopInMyMouthPlease')

 

[Rose]

My kid has made explosive poos that have gotten on me a couple times, pee too. :? Does that mean the world owes me 40K?

:lol: :lol: :lol:



As for an adult, idk..... Maybe if BJ or a really trusted friend did it. A stranger, idk about that. Definitely would not eat though. And I'd have to be hella stoned for it to take place. I have no qualms with consenting adults pooing on each other though, just please don't tell me about it. :? Private business be private...

 

[Gen]

I obviously know it's not true for everyone but I also believe a portion of them end up like it. In my opinion society plays a big part in turning sex workers towards this lifestyle. A lot career doors are shut if you do sex work, family members and friends often alienate you because they don't get your choice. Men will "slut shame you" and you become undesirable because you are not that submissive, innocent, clean pure woman that you are supposed to be, while these dudes are doing the same thing as you BUT are praised for it.
Most folks that have "normal" jobs would probably end up in rehab if they had to deal with all this stigma and alienation on a daily basis.

I agree. I think it is amazing that a lot of women find sex work empowering, but I also think it can be extremely problematic to think that because you or we (royal you and collective we!!) have positive experiences overall, that that is a common experience (especially, in my opinion, when we try to compare or correlate online/virtual work like camming or phone sex with in-person work like escorting or maybe stripping).

As for things like being emotionally damaged, having a low education or being addicted to drugs...I can see the appeal of this industry for anyone with those factors in their life. Sex work is amazing in that women can make a fuckton of money (and probably men, but I'm thinking women specifically) with no prior education, skills or training...I can definitely see why someone without an education would get into it. It seems like with the increase of online options, and the sloooowly shrinking stigma (really, really slowly), and maybe the rising cost of education we are getting more girls who are in school or recent grads. (Interestingly enough, I joined MGF because of a Livejournal community that's full of 18-35 year old women, most of whom are students or have just graduated...considering the stigmas and whatnot, I wouldn't have expected this but dozens upon dozens of girls joined MGF around the same time; it was like the trendy thing to do there for a while. Most of them quit after a month or two but it's interesting to me that selling nudies online was something so many girls wanted to try and seemed to think of as a fun, why-not experience.)

Fuck I ramble so much in these threads. I really like reading everyone's answers!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Some people, and I think I'm one of them, would just live through the grossness, keep my own counsel, laugh all the way to the bank and smoke the most knockout memory repressing bowl of stank straight up pungent indica I could get my hands on :-D

Drugs would obviously be needed after. I guess a lot would depend on the dook. If it was just like a solid piece grazing your shoulder or something then maybe it wouldn't be that bad.

It pisses me off that those women really have the audacity to call themselves feminists, when they clearly are not. At all. Or even close to being a feminist.

It gives real feminists a bad name. It makes me mad that most people don't take feminists seriously because of how certain people who call themselves feminists behave.

Feminism in general is pretty hard to understand.
Feminist1: Our movement should be about complete equality for women.
Feminist2:Yes but we need to strive for more than equality. We need more female doctors and lawyers and more women in goverment positions. We need equal power and opportunity.
Feminist3:Fuck that I wanna be in porn and get nutted on by different dudes everyday.
Feminist4:Well I'm not sure how serious are movement will be taken if we can't agree on what feminism is.
Feminist5:Women should stay home and raise the kids.
Feminist6:We don't need men for anything. Men are awful.
FeministAnywhereInTheMiddleEast:Really? None of you are feminists.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I have no problem with other sex work, unless it is my husband partaking. He would be soooo dead. :lol:

:lol:

As to the whole 'shame of human toilet thing', well shame is in the eye of the umm...toilet.

I readily agree it's gross, $40,000 is a lot of money. Some people need it more than others. Some people, and I think I'm one of them, would just live through the grossness, keep my own counsel, laugh all the way to the bank and smoke the most knockout memory repressing bowl of stank straight up pungent indica I could get my hands on :-D

Here is a thought.

Some people enjoy corprophilia and poo play specifically because they find it to be humiliating and degrading. To say that people shouldn't engage in corprophilia because it is degrading to them is to blatantly decide that humans should not be allowed to consensually engage in degradation - that is, you are denying other humans the right to feel certain emotions. Like the evil Jedi, I do not think that this is a positive thing.

I know many people who enjoy humiliation/degradation experiences, so I'm not sure "that's degrading so people shouldn't do it" is a valid argument. Why can't people be degraded and humiliated if they want to be?

We're not talking about girls that like it. We're talking about girls that do it solely for the $$$. Personally, I don't think $40,000 is worth PTSD.

 

[Nordling]

I agree, if anyone wants to be degraded then there should be no laws against it. I do have to disagree with the phrase "like to be degraded" though. I mean, isn't that kind of an oxymoron? If you "like" it, it can't be degradation, at least in the way most people think of degradation. Speaking from no experience of liking things that normally are disliked, I have to assume that some people are simply wired differently, and I guess that's okay too...as long as they don't harm anyone else in the process.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

As someone with a serious girl boner for being degraded..

'like' is the correct word.

IT... is Very hard to explain. Do you know when something hurts but its a good hurt? Like if your back pops back into place and it hurts but it feels GOOOOD?

Thats the closest thing I can think of. It's a thrill.. and its an enjoyable one that leaves me wet, and high as a fucking kite when its done to my taste.

It doesn't mean I enjoy all types of degradation. In fact, when I first got with my Master and S/O and we had talked about the fact that I loved to be humiliated and degraded, he took it upon himself to do so at a party where he embarassed me in front of a bunch of our kinky friends. This is something that some people enjoy - but its NOT something I enjoyed. It was horrible, and we learned a lot... and learned to better define and talk about these things down to minute details.

So poop degradation, not my thing.

Being forced to eat out of a dog bowl, or having someones boot on my face..thats hot.

 

[Nordling]

I understand, but it's a slithery concept. If it feels "good" then it's not pain. The way our nerves and brain interpret various feelings are not always simple--cold can feel hot and vice versa. And when it comes to emotional feelings, it gets really complex. If something that someone else would not like, such as being called names and belittled is liked by some individuals, then they aren't experiencing the same emotion--as I suggested, different wiring.

That "good" feeling when your back pops back, even though painful by normal standards, it feels so much LESS painful than the original back pain that it feels sooooo good! Similar to when I've cracked my knee against something really hard and see stars and a tear comes to my eye...then the pain starts to subside and you feel the left-over endorphin rush--suh weet!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

are movement

Feminist4 grew up in a country where women going to school was frowned upon.

 

[Rose]

are movement

Feminist4 grew up in a country where women going to school was frowned upon.

I see what you did there. :lol:

 

[BlueViolet]

Some people, and I think I'm one of them, would just live through the grossness, keep my own counsel, laugh all the way to the bank and smoke the most knockout memory repressing bowl of stank straight up pungent indica I could get my hands on :-D

Drugs would obviously be needed after. I guess a lot would depend on the dook. If it was just like a solid piece grazing your shoulder or something then maybe it wouldn't be that bad.

It pisses me off that those women really have the audacity to call themselves feminists, when they clearly are not. At all. Or even close to being a feminist.

It gives real feminists a bad name. It makes me mad that most people don't take feminists seriously because of how certain people who call themselves feminists behave.

Feminism in general is pretty hard to understand.
Feminist1: Our movement should be about complete equality for women.
Feminist2:Yes but we need to strive for more than equality. We need more female doctors and lawyers and more women in goverment positions. We need equal power and opportunity.
Feminist3:Fuck that I wanna be in porn and get nutted on by different dudes everyday.
Feminist4:Well I'm not sure how serious are movement will be taken if we can't agree on what feminism is.
Feminist5:Women should stay home and raise the kids.
Feminist6:We don't need men for anything. Men are awful.
FeministAnywhereInTheMiddleEast:Really? None of you are feminists.

Feminism is simply equality. A lot of people are under the impression that it's all said and done and there is absolute gender equality when there really isn't. It's not a legal thing, it's a social thing. In the same way that we have equal rights legally for African Americans but some are still going to be denied job openings or certain housing, or even just being followed closely in a store by a manager on suspected shoplifting.

REAL feminists just want equality in society's eyes. I remember in high school, I really hated working the drive-through window but my manager refused to let girls work in the kitchen (the irony?). I was much faster and efficient than the guys who were so slow and got everything wrong, but I'd get yelled at for even stepping in there to help them.

It's about the right to choose what we want to do with our lives and our bodies. The choice to have children or not have children and when, to work in whatever field we want and are qualified to whether it's porn or becoming a mechanic or doctor, to stay home and raise the children or be a working mother, to not be denied a job because we are seen not as competent or a "risk" because we might suddenly have a child in our uterus.

It's just changing society's views on what female is. Most society does view women as weaker, needing protecting/being saved, not knowing what they want, being "overly" emotion, not qualified to do a "man's" job, who's "no" means "try harder".

Most of the examples you used ARE feminism, though. It is about complete equality, about the opportunity to work in high ranking positions if we chose to, to choose whatever job we want (porn even), to stay home with the kids (or work outside the home), to not HAVE to depend on a husband to support us if we don't want to. It isn't about hating men or disliking them, it's about being equal to them.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Shit feminists annoy me almost as much as misogynists. Peddling conservative, holier-than-thou, anti-sex rhetoric in the name of 'feminism' just reinforces the negative stereotype of feminists being high-strung, sexless whingers that everyone seems to have these days. Lipstick/stiletto feminism is the feminist ideology that makes the most sense to me - striving for equality without discriminating against women who happen to use their body and femininity to make their money :twocents-02cents:

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Shit feminists annoy me almost as much as misogynists. Peddling conservative, holier-than-thou, anti-sex rhetoric in the name of 'feminism' just reinforces the negative stereotype of feminists being high-strung, sexless whingers that everyone seems to have these days. Lipstick/stiletto feminism is the feminist ideology that makes the most sense to me - striving for equality without discriminating against women who happen to use their body and femininity to make their money :twocents-02cents:

It just doesn't make sense to me why some feminists would be against sex workers. Men are allowed to have sex freely without being labeled "sluts." so if they really want equality, they'd want women to have that same right.

 

[Just Me]

Shit feminists annoy me almost as much as misogynists. Peddling conservative, holier-than-thou, anti-sex rhetoric in the name of 'feminism' just reinforces the negative stereotype of feminists being high-strung, sexless whingers that everyone seems to have these days. Lipstick/stiletto feminism is the feminist ideology that makes the most sense to me - striving for equality without discriminating against women who happen to use their body and femininity to make their money :twocents-02cents:

It just doesn't make sense to me why some feminists would be against sex workers. Men are allowed to have sex freely without being labeled "sluts." so if they really want equality, they'd want women to have that same right.

The argument goes like this. Just because women think they are making an informed choice to go into sex work and doing it of their own free will. It is society, propaganda, and the continued view that women are not equal that "forces" women to go into sex work.

The question they would ask is this. All things being equal, freedom of hours work, job satisfaction, amount of money you can make etc. Would you still choose to be a sex worker?

 

[Gen]

There's also the aspect of violence, robbery & assault. There's so much violence in the industry as a whole, and since so many sex workers are women, I can see why they'd be anti-sex work. There's also the differing views on whether or not an industry that caters almost entirely to men's sexuality can be empowering, or if women are just upholding the patriarchy or undoing progress by "buying into that" or whatever (I disagree with that stance).

But too often anti-sex work is anti sex worker, which is a huge fail of the movement and of those women. I also find, in my experience, very few people outside the industry know much about how it works, who's involved, etc but rather just make assumptions or form their opinions based on very few facts/anecdotes.

 

[All_Mina]

I also find, in my experience, very few people outside the industry know much about how it works, who's involved, etc but rather just make assumptions or form their opinions based on very few facts/anecdotes.

Very true! I'm a sexual assault victim advocate and many of my girls (I don't like to call them "clients") are sex workers and CSEC (commercially & sexually exploited children). Many of these girls and women are not going through this sex work willingly. It's not "empowering" for them. They have been abused (sexually/physically/emotionally/financially), coerced by pimps, failed by the system (most adult prostitutes were in the juvenile court system at one time), etc. etc. Just because we appear to be in the this type of work willingly and on a consensual basis does not mean it's the same fate for others. I'd say we are in the minority. With these anti-sex work movements, they tend to look at the majority of cases. Trafficked, abused people who are treated like cattle...not the ones who are doing it on their own terms and making it work for them, as opposed to the tragic cases.

The entire argument of "men are allowed to use their sexuality so should women" lacks a lot of analysis and critical thinking. Since when are we put on the same playing field as men? That's not the world that we live in. I'm a feminist and I while I BELIEVE men and women should be equal, I know that in our society, we are not and we will never be 100% so. I don't believe in being treated just like a man, nor do I want to be treated like one. For me, it's more about being treated humanely and with respect for experiencing sexual desire and expressing sexuality - without getting scorned for it (which is more a VALID feminist ideology than the batshit crazy ones that people tend to focus on).