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Thank you for going out of your way to do this. I reported it to the cyber tipline, but really wasn't sure what to do on a local level and google was less than helpful.
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Thank you for going out of your way to do this. I reported it to the cyber tipline, but really wasn't sure what to do on a local level and google was less than helpful.
well, sadly things like this dont get shut down overnight, esp when there's international stuff involved. We can hope wheels are in motion though. I can't imagine authorities would become aware and not attempt to stop child sexual abuse/slavery.nzhere said:
Christ man, I don't think you are faulting Jupiter for going out of his way to try to do what ever he can to fix this thing? But it almost sounds like you are. Of course complaints to the site are going to be ignored - those are the filthy bastards responsible.... there are no words to express the depths of this hideous subhuman... These beasts will do nothing unless they are forced to, or feel some consequence is immanent if they continue. Nether of which is likely to happen with any great expediency.nzhere said:
I understand the frustration of seeing no apparent progress, but it seems Jup and others are doing what they can. I have failed to do anything at this point. It has, just this morning occurred to me, that I might petition my local congress person, George Miller, who was a high school buddy of my late brother. I do not know if that will help me catch his ear in this, or of what help he might be able to provide, if I do. I know he is a great man and will do what he can, if I can get his attention. I also know, that my energy will be spent this day trying to get his attention.
I further understand, that you were the one who brought this to our attention, and have yourself filled complaints about this matter. I commend you for this, more importantly, I thank you. That said, I think some of your current energy being spent updating us on the non-progress might be better spent researching who in congress might be the appropriate person to write to in such cases. I'm thinking there might be a commity tasked with the oversight of investigations into international internet crime, or maybe international child pornography, human trafficking/slavery?
I don't mean to be a dick, but repeatedly telling those who seem to be doing all they can, that their efforts are not working, does not seem to much different from telling a Model her cam score is still low, even though she is doing her best to improve it. It's rubbing salt in the wound, and possibly builds a sense of discouragement.
also, despite everyone's "clean white world" views on this, that side of the world is known world wide as a sex trafficking and child prosti area. 60 minutes and the Chris Hanson thing both have done stories on this area. They even went so far as to buy a 12 yr old girl. That in itself should give you some idea of the Govts views and how curtailing this and similar actions rate with them. We may want to go in with our views and clean it up and protect all the kids, but the simple fact is that without local support and the people themselves viewing this as wrong, its probably about the same as telling folks they shouldn't be smoking.... Public outrage and world Orgs doing what they can is realistically all we can do. Kind of like the dolphin/tuna thing and the blood beaches. Shout all you want and bring the spotlights, but ultimately the probability is you wont see much happen very fast.
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I wasn't aiming any anger at Jupiter only providing an update. Don't be so dramatic
A report to the site itself resulted in my i.p being blocked.
I've also submitted a complaint via https://www.iwf.org.uk/report
the reality of the situation is also police just don't have the capability to find out all the info they need to that fast. Esp when it's across international borders. Think of it this way - if they shut the site down, the abuse doesn't stop it just goes elsewhere. If they don't know who these girls are, or where they are in the Phillipines then what can the police there do? Nothing, nothing at all. So how do they find out? Well they could force the website to give info over, but a) it's almost certainly all fake and b) it would just tip off the ringleaders.
It sounds callous, but unless you actually catch the people responsible, the ones running the studios it makes no difference in the long run. Even if you tracked down all those girls and put them into some social program, gave them education etc...if the guys who did it are free well, there is no shortage of poverty-stricken 10 year olds to exploit in southeast asia.
I don't know how police pursue these sorts of things, but remember a couple of Danish nationals in the Phillipines got arrested for running underage cam studios over there? I read a story about it when the asian lounge shut down (not that it was related to that) they got pretty hefty jail terms so it's not as if the police in the Phillipines just don't care.
It sounds callous, but unless you actually catch the people responsible, the ones running the studios it makes no difference in the long run. Even if you tracked down all those girls and put them into some social program, gave them education etc...if the guys who did it are free well, there is no shortage of poverty-stricken 10 year olds to exploit in southeast asia.
I don't know how police pursue these sorts of things, but remember a couple of Danish nationals in the Phillipines got arrested for running underage cam studios over there? I read a story about it when the asian lounge shut down (not that it was related to that) they got pretty hefty jail terms so it's not as if the police in the Phillipines just don't care.
if they just shut the site down how would that help the kids being abused or punish the studios responsible? It needs to start in the Phillipines, once they determine who and where the people involved are they can arrest them, then shut the site down and determine to what degree they were aware what was going on.nzhere said:
Imagine if the site got shut down by the FBI or whatever for child pornography, meanwhile the Phillipine police have no idea who or where exactly these kids are. Do you think the studio owners are going to wait around to be arrested? They'll move somewhere else and start up some other site.
It's unfortunate that it doesn't happen as fast as we'd all like, but real life isn't Law and Order: SVU. Some of these operations take a lot of time (sometimes years) to shut down and it's not that they couldn't pull the plug on the site somehow, it's because pulling the plug doesn't help find these kids any faster.
Below are two correspondences, From Congressman G. Miller. The first, (in blue, most recent) is basically a form letter/survive, - (and should be disregarded, unless you can find no other reading material, and wish.) That prompted me to do a search of my inbox. I found there the second e-mail, a direct response to the letter of concern I sent in early October of last year. I had payed a good deal of attention to this e-mail account for some while looking for a reply. I must assume the reply was missed after I stopped paying such good attention.
In his State of the Union Address, President Obama made clear he will continue to fight for working families in his second term of office.
He recognizes the basic truth that a strong and thriving middle class has always been, and will continue to be, America’s engine of economic growth.
I believe that means we must invest in growth- the best way to reduce our budget deficit and create jobs.
We can do so by investing in:
Roads and bridges, and clean energy projects that can’t be outsourced.
Every level of education, from early childhood through college, and basic research to ensure our children and workers are prepared for these new jobs.
I know not everyone agrees on every issue before Congress. That’s why I want to know what matters most to you and your family as we debate the President’s proposals.
So tell me: what are your priorities? (select all you agree with)
Investing in education
Strengthening the middle class
Rebuilding our roads and bridges
Bringing good manufacturing jobs back to America
Protecting our environment
Reducing the national debt
Ending the war in Afghanistan
Other
(don't see the survey? click here to open)
Thank you,
GEORGE MILLER
Member of Congress
GeorgeMiller.house.gov
November 9, 2012
Eric R. XXXXXX
XXX XXXXX XX.
XXXXXXXX, CA XXXXX-XXXX
Dear Eric,
Thank you for contacting me to share your concerns regarding the international sexual exploitation of children. This is a very disturbing issue that is devastating for innocent children who are being abused in various countries across the globe.
I understand your frustration and sense of despair over these websites. However, I must advise that you definitely should not search out child pornography by any means for the purposes of reporting it. However, to the extent that you are aware of it, one option is to report it through the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children’s CyberTipline at http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/ ... ntry=en_US.
Additionally, the United Nations’ Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Sale of Children, Child Prostitution and Child Pornographyhttp://treaties.un.org/Pages ... =4&lang=en
is designed to combat this exact issue.
I strongly support efforts to get more countries to sign the protocol and to work to ensure that countries that are signatories follow through and enforce the protocol.
This exploitation of children is shocking and horrific whenever it happens, and we must use every tool available to put an end to it.
Sincerely,
GEORGE MILLER
Member of Congress
P.S. Keep up with the latest news from Washington at GeorgeMiller.house.gov and Facebook.com/RepGeorgeMiller.
In his State of the Union Address, President Obama made clear he will continue to fight for working families in his second term of office.
He recognizes the basic truth that a strong and thriving middle class has always been, and will continue to be, America’s engine of economic growth.
I believe that means we must invest in growth- the best way to reduce our budget deficit and create jobs.
We can do so by investing in:
Roads and bridges, and clean energy projects that can’t be outsourced.
Every level of education, from early childhood through college, and basic research to ensure our children and workers are prepared for these new jobs.
I know not everyone agrees on every issue before Congress. That’s why I want to know what matters most to you and your family as we debate the President’s proposals.
So tell me: what are your priorities? (select all you agree with)
Investing in education
Strengthening the middle class
Rebuilding our roads and bridges
Bringing good manufacturing jobs back to America
Protecting our environment
Reducing the national debt
Ending the war in Afghanistan
Other
(don't see the survey? click here to open)
Thank you,
GEORGE MILLER
Member of Congress
GeorgeMiller.house.gov
November 9, 2012
Eric R. XXXXXX
XXX XXXXX XX.
XXXXXXXX, CA XXXXX-XXXX
Dear Eric,
Thank you for contacting me to share your concerns regarding the international sexual exploitation of children. This is a very disturbing issue that is devastating for innocent children who are being abused in various countries across the globe.
I understand your frustration and sense of despair over these websites. However, I must advise that you definitely should not search out child pornography by any means for the purposes of reporting it. However, to the extent that you are aware of it, one option is to report it through the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children’s CyberTipline at http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/ ... ntry=en_US.
Additionally, the United Nations’ Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Sale of Children, Child Prostitution and Child Pornographyhttp://treaties.un.org/Pages ... =4&lang=en
is designed to combat this exact issue.
I strongly support efforts to get more countries to sign the protocol and to work to ensure that countries that are signatories follow through and enforce the protocol.
This exploitation of children is shocking and horrific whenever it happens, and we must use every tool available to put an end to it.
Sincerely,
GEORGE MILLER
Member of Congress
P.S. Keep up with the latest news from Washington at GeorgeMiller.house.gov and Facebook.com/RepGeorgeMiller.
well as a followup I went back the site
guess what ? no change whatsoever the first thing i see in a room was 2 naked 5 year olds :angry4:
So i'm currently in live chat with support at CCbill.com their payment processor. Who are now investigating them. :-D
guess what ? no change whatsoever the first thing i see in a room was 2 naked 5 year olds :angry4:
So i'm currently in live chat with support at CCbill.com their payment processor. Who are now investigating them. :-D
Maybe this is something Anonymous can work on? I only know what I have heard in the news about them but it seems they started their internet vigilantism with child porn sites. I have no idea how you would go about bringing it to their attention. Were/are they a 4chan thing? Just a thought.
I would suggest not going to the site anymore. You have reported the site and others here have as well. Even if they end up cleaning up the site, would you want to give them any business after their non-handling of the situation?
I would suggest not going to the site anymore. You have reported the site and others here have as well. Even if they end up cleaning up the site, would you want to give them any business after their non-handling of the situation?
Strictly speaking, I don't think the 4chan Anonymous is the same thing as the Anonymous that's taken up the anti-cp crusade. I've also heard that their past interventions have done more to hurt than to help authorities. It is vigilantism on their part, after all, but who knows? To be honest, when it's the exploitation of people involved, I'd rather see it dealt with through official channels by people with real authority than a shady, semi-organized group of unknowns.
I've come into this thread quite late, so I'm missing pertinent information regarding the site and all, but does anyone know where this site originates? Who is running it? Is this a site with some legitimate presence, or is it a cam site that has kinda stuck to some dark corner of the internet? I can't imagine that a website would carry on with flouting the law so openly, without already catching somebody's attention. If that's the case, perhaps gears are already turning. As it's been pointed out, sometimes results aren't instantaneous. Sometimes, it doesn't look like things are being done until the site gets shut down and arrests are made.
I'm not a lawyer, but... The thing about American law is that it tends to only be effective for entities that are doing business within American jurisdiction. So, a site could easily put something like a 2257 compliance message up as a false flag, but not ever intend to comply since the business is not based within American jurisdiction. It's been mentioned that it's a site full of Asian or Pacific Island models? I don't see how writing congressmen or contacting local or regional authorities is going to help. National and international law enforcement, yes. If we know where the cams might originate, perhaps contacting the authorities in those countries? What about Interpol? They have a Crimes Against Children division.
This all just seems like a huge issue, and your concern and efforts are admirable, but given the nature of the situation, I don't think it's the sort of thing that you can expect much more transparency than a "we'll look into it" from those who you contact with the tip. This sort of activity seems pretty clandestine on both sides of the law.
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I've come into this thread quite late, so I'm missing pertinent information regarding the site and all, but does anyone know where this site originates? Who is running it? Is this a site with some legitimate presence, or is it a cam site that has kinda stuck to some dark corner of the internet? I can't imagine that a website would carry on with flouting the law so openly, without already catching somebody's attention. If that's the case, perhaps gears are already turning. As it's been pointed out, sometimes results aren't instantaneous. Sometimes, it doesn't look like things are being done until the site gets shut down and arrests are made.
I'm not a lawyer, but... The thing about American law is that it tends to only be effective for entities that are doing business within American jurisdiction. So, a site could easily put something like a 2257 compliance message up as a false flag, but not ever intend to comply since the business is not based within American jurisdiction. It's been mentioned that it's a site full of Asian or Pacific Island models? I don't see how writing congressmen or contacting local or regional authorities is going to help. National and international law enforcement, yes. If we know where the cams might originate, perhaps contacting the authorities in those countries? What about Interpol? They have a Crimes Against Children division.
This all just seems like a huge issue, and your concern and efforts are admirable, but given the nature of the situation, I don't think it's the sort of thing that you can expect much more transparency than a "we'll look into it" from those who you contact with the tip. This sort of activity seems pretty clandestine on both sides of the law.
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