The BanHammer

[AutumnDayKink]

Now did I think I would get railroaded pretty much. I even said it in the original topic. Be it models sticking together or wk's looking for likes.It surely paints the group in a unfavorable light. So you really don't feel so bad when they get capped or end up on a porn site.

I'm not sure a camgirl forum is the best place to go "neener neener" and say you hope we all get screen capped and deserve to have our hard work ripped off and reposted on porn sites. Good job, genius.

I'm sorry everyone. My intention was not to be banned or upset anyone when I made the original topic. I was venting about what happened with the model and myself and everything went horribly downhill from that point. I expected some good and some bad when I posted the original topic. But I did not expect so much backlash. At this point things have spiraled so far out of control. My continued posting in the thread is not beneficial. I don't hate cam girls. I apologize for saying what I did in the last sentence as it was in poor taste. If anyone wants to talk to me privately about anything in the thread you are welcome to PM me. Once again i'm sorry.

You are so ludicrously afraid of being kicked out of places where you are disruptive or, at the very least, don't contribute anything. Insecure much? I think you're wise to abandon this sinking ship. I hope I'm the last rat scurrying off. It's beyond time for it to be locked down, if you ask me.

 

[BasicBasic]

I have to say this has been one of the more interestesting threads lately. So... that's kinda good. It's a discussion forum after all.

There are already forums out there that are essentially for basics and other unwanted viewers. The crowd there is not what I'd call model-friendly. I kinda like ACF though, since I get more of the models perspective away from their work. It's a fascinating business and as a former TV producer, the technical and mass-media aspects are mindblowing. I'm old enough to remember when internet multi-media was like virtual reality is now, a revolution in slow motion.

Despite my joking, I have no issue with being muted. It's the best feature on MFC since it keeps me from getting involved. If you haven't figured it out, it's the relationships that develop that are the real hook, not the nudity or porn. That's just bait. The internet is awash in porn but the relationships developed in your chatrooms are unique. Cutting communication with me makes it easier to avoid those relationships. So keep on muting and banning me all you want. I got stabbed in Colombia one time and after that, internet stuff is just fantasy fluff to me. The only thing I know about every model is that I'll never meet you.

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
Did you know that banning knocks your camscore down? yup. it's in the algorithm and it was a model that did the research to figure that one out. I don't know why you don't just use the ignore and stop being so dramatic. The trolls attack you so you swing that big banhammer, then swing it at anyone for any reason or no reason at all. They also want you to hit that mute and keep it on. It's a game.... to tickle your rage. Who knows who anyone is or why they do what they do. It's all so secret..

I was banned the first time I used MFC by the way. The very first room on the very first day. That was my first impression. Hope that model made big bank with her silly little "ban a basic" routine. Saved me thousands of dollars anyway. So... thanks.

[edit by AmberCutie: denoted with strikeout line the part that is incredibly incorrect and misleading, don't want new MFC users to think this is true and spread this misinformation.]

 

[JickyJuly]

Did you know that banning knocks your camscore down?

And the world is flat....
Come on now. You're smarter than that at least.

 

[Nordling]

And the world is flat....
Come on now. You're smarter than that at least.

Wait. An anonymous MODEL told him! It must be true!

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I was banned the first time I used MFC by the way. The very first room on the very first day. That was my first impression. Hope that model made big bank with her silly little "ban a basic" routine. Saved me thousands of dollars anyway. So... thanks.

How convenient that your first impression was one that made it possible for you to freeload indefinitely without guilt.

One of my first impressions with humans was that they can be mean bullies, when I was a kid. So of course now that I'm an adult I am rude to everybody and treat everyone like shit instead of taking responsibility for my own actions. If only one of those grade schoolers would have extended a friendly hand to me...but alas, as much as I'd like to be decent, what's done is done.

 

[Entertainer33]

I have to say this has been one of the more interestesting threads lately. So... that's kinda good. It's a discussion forum after all.

There are already forums out there that are essentially for basics and other unwanted viewers. The crowd there is not what I'd call model-friendly. I kinda like ACF though, since I get more of the models perspective away from their work. It's a fascinating business and as a former TV producer, the technical and mass-media aspects are mindblowing. I'm old enough to remember when internet multi-media was like virtual reality is now, a revolution in slow motion.

Despite my joking, I have no issue with being muted. It's the best feature on MFC since it keeps me from getting involved. If you haven't figured it out, it's the relationships that develop that are the real hook, not the nudity or porn. That's just bait. The internet is awash in porn but the relationships developed in your chatrooms are unique. Cutting communication with me makes it easier to avoid those relationships. So keep on muting and banning me all you want. I got stabbed in Colombia one time and after that, internet stuff is just fantasy fluff to me. The only thing I know about every model is that I'll never meet you.

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
Did you know that banning knocks your camscore down? yup. it's in the algorithm and it was a model that did the research to figure that one out. I don't know why you don't just use the ignore and stop being so dramatic. The trolls attack you so you swing that big banhammer, then swing it at anyone for any reason or no reason at all. They also want you to hit that mute and keep it on. It's a game.... to tickle your rage. Who knows who anyone is or why they do what they do. It's all so secret..

I was banned the first time I used MFC by the way. The very first room on the very first day. That was my first impression. Hope that model made big bank with her silly little "ban a basic" routine. Saved me thousands of dollars anyway. So... thanks.

I have a song to play for you. Let me go get my instrument.

 

[swagger]

Ok Basic, I kinda suck at this forum thing, so without getting too complex I'd like to respond to some stuff.

"unwanted viewers" That's like calling Napster downloaders accidental listeners. I don't hate napster, but what it did was create an unsustainable market model that damn near destroyed the music industry and til this day negatively affects all artists involved. If you think non monetary participation doesn't affect the industry please tell me.

As to your second paragraph, I'm of the belief that there can be no relationship without two people, and if you don't have an opinion or voice (basic muted or guest) then that relationship is purely one sided and not a relationship as much as a perception of a performer fit into a created fantasy.

Secrets in camscore or the trickery involved are not my purview, best of luck with that sir.

 

[AmberCutie]

Edited the post to note that banning has absolutely no connection to camscore. I won't allow that propaganda to germinate here.

 

[AutumnDayKink]

I have to say this has been one of the more interestesting threads lately. So... that's kinda good. It's a discussion forum after all.

I definitely didn't mean to imply that discussion was bad - but there wasn't much discussion going on. Mostly just the OP digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole of bullshit. I figured locking the thread might save him some trouble.

But since we're discussing - LET'S.

A model's room is her business and she has the right to refuse business to anyone for any reason she sees fit. End story. Suck it up, don't take it personally, and go browse one of the other literally THOUSANDS of models on the site!

 

[AutumnDayKink]

And you know what, kiddo? Going into every thread response that doesn't agree with your sensitive little soul and rating it Bad Troll Attempt" and "Facepalm" etc, demonstrates nothing but your massive ego and minimal maturity.

 

[MFCuser]

I know the model in question....i recognize the behavior as well as the language used in her responses to you. She does ban basics on a regular basis, its not just you. She does ban premiums with tokens showing who dont tip who she recognizes are in her room regularly, I cant say she never bans premiums with no tokens showing but it is more the exception than the rule. She generally announces before she bans premiums, and says even tipping 5 tokens will prevent you from being banned. She is sympathetic to guys who enjoy her but genuinely cant tip, but people who have tokens showing and are in there regularly have no excuse. They obviously enjoy her, even the smallest bit of gratitude goes a long way.

You have to recognize these girls are not online to entertain you for free, they are online to make money. An extremely small percentage of guys who enjoy them pay them enough to keep them around for all of the freeloaders to enjoy. Its not fair to guys who tip when others constantly enjoy them without paying. I have no problems with models who do this. This model has a group of maybe 8-10 guys who keep her going and coming back on a daily basis; be thankful you can see her when you can if you are not tipping.

 

[Entertainer33]

I definitely didn't mean to imply that discussion was bad - but there wasn't much discussion going on. Mostly just the OP digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole of bullshit. I figured locking the thread might save him some trouble.

But since we're discussing - LET'S.

A model's room is her business and she has the right to refuse business to anyone for any reason she sees fit. End story. Suck it up, don't take it personally, and go browse one of the other literally THOUSANDS of models on the site!

This. I was muted recently in a girl's room I visit irregularly. I was talking a lot and it annoyed her. No offense taken, her room.

I know the model in question....i recognize the behavior as well as the language used in her responses to you. She does ban basics on a regular basis, its not just you. She does ban premiums with tokens showing who dont tip who she recognizes are in her room regularly, I cant say she never bans premiums with no tokens showing but it is more the exception than the rule. She generally announces before she bans premiums, and says even tipping 5 tokens will prevent you from being banned. She is sympathetic to guys who enjoy her but genuinely cant tip, but people who have tokens showing and are in there regularly have no excuse. They obviously enjoy her, even the smallest bit of gratitude goes a long way.

You have to recognize these girls are not online to entertain you for free, they are online to make money. An extremely small percentage of guys who enjoy them pay them enough to keep them around for all of the freeloaders to enjoy. Its not fair to guys who tip when others constantly enjoy them without paying. I have no problems with models who do this. This model has a group of maybe 8-10 guys who keep her going and coming back on a daily basis; be thankful you can see her when you can if you are not tipping.

I actually was in a room where after her cum show goal was reached, the model temp banned all the people she "always sees but have never tipped." Epic night.

 

[KrabbyPatty]

Wonder if he will guess correctly. Not sure if I should say it either way. If that is frowned on or not. Amber knows but that's it.

 

[TacoBelle]

Wonder if he will guess correctly. Not sure if I should say it either way. If that is frowned on or not. Amber knows but that's it.

It is generally frowned-upon to 'name names' whether it be a model or a member that you're defaming. The only instances when it's occasionally allowed is if there's something seriously wrong that needs to be acted upon... like if a model had a child in the room with her, or was performing beastiality, or was physically hurting another human non-consensually. I sincerely doubt that MFCUser and you are talking about the same model, anyway. There are hundreds of models who play the 'ban-a-basic' game, and just as many or more that get fed-up with non-tipping premiums and ban them. No good will come of naming names, so let's nip that in the bud before it even becomes a possibility.

 

[mynameisbob84]

It is generally frowned-upon to 'name names' whether it be a model or a member that you're defaming. The only instances when it's occasionally allowed is if there's something seriously wrong that needs to be acted upon... like if a model had a child in the room with her, or was performing beastiality, or was physically hurting another human non-consensually. I sincerely doubt that MFCUser and you are talking about the same model, anyway. There are hundreds of models who play the 'ban-a-basic' game, and just as many or more that get fed-up with non-tipping premiums and ban them. No good will come of naming names, so let's nip that in the bud before it even becomes a possibility.

They're talking about my mate, Steve. I just know it.

 

[CherryChu]

I know the model in question....i recognize the behavior as well as the language used in her responses to you. She does ban basics on a regular basis, its not just you. She does ban premiums with tokens showing who dont tip who she recognizes are in her room regularly, I cant say she never bans premiums with no tokens showing but it is more the exception than the rule. She generally announces before she bans premiums, and says even tipping 5 tokens will prevent you from being banned. She is sympathetic to guys who enjoy her but genuinely cant tip, but people who have tokens showing and are in there regularly have no excuse. They obviously enjoy her, even the smallest bit of gratitude goes a long way.

You have to recognize these girls are not online to entertain you for free, they are online to make money. An extremely small percentage of guys who enjoy them pay them enough to keep them around for all of the freeloaders to enjoy. Its not fair to guys who tip when others constantly enjoy them without paying. I have no problems with models who do this. This model has a group of maybe 8-10 guys who keep her going and coming back on a daily basis; be thankful you can see her when you can if you are not tipping.

This is pretty much how I run my room as well. I keep basics and guests muted because I pretty much always find that they want to ask me to do things without tipping for them. If I ban a premium who hasn't tipped, it's either because they're being an assholes for some other reason, making requests without tipping, or I've seen them in my room loads over at least a couple of months without ever tipping anything. I have a couple of people who very rarely tip but are respectful and do tip sometimes. Some will only tip 10-100tkns a month but it shows appreciation. Most of us do know that not everyone can afford to tip every day. Personally I only tip once or twice a month becaus I buy all my tokens in one go and that's all I can afford. So I go by the assumption that of most people get paid once a month, they may only tip once a month. If they have an expensive month, they may tip next month.

But if I've seen you in my room over and over again, over a period of two paydays (end of the month generally) and you've never tipped me anything at all, then there really is no reason for you to do that other than either not having the money to be able to afford camsites at all (which may be beyond your control but also isn't the model's fault - again, if you were too poor to afford a fancy restaurant, you wouldn't call them immoral and elitist) or just being a freeloader.

 

[KrabbyPatty]

I'm not a big fan of assumptions. You like them no more than the members do but make them? I honestly don't see the importance of worrying who is in a room or what they are doing. Other than if they are causing a issue on the chat or being offensive towards you in messages. I don't get this restaurant talk. This is nothing remotely like a restaurant. We don't make reservations. You don't have limited seating. I think a more suitable analogy would be a park. Everyone goes to the park. You are not kicked out of the park if you don't feed the ducks. You are not kicked out of the park if you don't drop a penny in the wishing well. You go about your business enjoying yourself at the park. You respect the park you don't litter at the park. Neither good nor bad you are just a blade of grass on the lawn. Why burn all the grass down?

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

This is nothing even remotely like a park? Parks, unlike cam models, are funded and maintained by the local government. Cam models are receiving money in exchange for services, much like a restaurant.

We aren't fucking parks. We're individuals who have bills to pay and expect the people enjoying our services to PAY FOR THEM. Porn is a luxury, just like eating at a restaurant.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

I'm not a big fan of assumptions. You like them no more than the members do but make them? I honestly don't see the importance of worrying who is in a room or what they are doing. Other than if they are causing a issue on the chat or being offensive towards you in messages. I don't get this restaurant talk. This is nothing remotely like a restaurant. We don't make reservations. You don't have limited seating. I think a more suitable analogy would be a park. Everyone goes to the park. You are not kicked out of the park if you don't feed the ducks. You are not kicked out of the park if you don't drop a penny in the wishing well. You go about your business enjoying yourself at the park. You respect the park you don't litter at the park. Neither good nor bad you are just a blade of grass on the lawn. Why burn all the grass down?

I see that people argue the restaurant analogy but no one has argued the movie analogy. So care to argue that?

And actually the park analogy isn't very comparable either...for a few reasons. Parks are funded by tax dollars...so yes..you DO pay for them. Some parks (like state parks) you also have to pay to go into. Therefor those parks are being funded and provided for the wellbeing of communities and tax payers. Parks would only really be comparable if everyone paid a fee annually for MFC (Fap tax eh?) And then for that fee they were allowed free shows on MFC. Then a percentage of that fee was paid out to models based on the amount of traffic and viewers. Then high tippers would be much like the people who donate benches or statues to parks. Just people showing extra appreciation.

There is no such thing on MFC. We are only paid when people tip us. Plain and simple. Do you think parks would exist if there wasn't money to fund them? Do you think parks and their employees are being paid by bread for ducks and a penny in the wishing well? No... Of course not.

Our MFC rooms are OURS. We are self employed. They are OUR park. Look up parks in your city. There are free parks...and then there are water parks and amusement parks. If we decide that you can walk on our grass and watch the rides go around for free...but that if you want to ride the ride you must pay that doesn't make us rude. Lol.

 

[Gen]

The point is that MFC has given models the reign over their rooms, to ban without consequence. If doing so impacts her business, then that's her choice and her decision. If she wants to let guests and basics talk, she can do that too. We can all run our rooms how we like and you can seek out the girls who match what you like (and hopefully tip them).

You can call it a park or a restaurant or whatever but you're basically screaming into the wind at this point. Models can, and should, ban anyone they want for any reason they want. Members should focus more on the fun parts of MFC like cute girls showing their boobies rather than dwelling on the girls who don't want you around.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

I'm not a big fan of assumptions. You like them no more than the members do but make them? I honestly don't see the importance of worrying who is in a room or what they are doing. Other than if they are causing a issue on the chat or being offensive towards you in messages. I don't get this restaurant talk. This is nothing remotely like a restaurant. We don't make reservations. You don't have limited seating. I think a more suitable analogy would be a park. Everyone goes to the park. You are not kicked out of the park if you don't feed the ducks. You are not kicked out of the park if you don't drop a penny in the wishing well. You go about your business enjoying yourself at the park. You respect the park you don't litter at the park. Neither good nor bad you are just a blade of grass on the lawn. Why burn all the grass down?

public parks are paid for by your taxes.

Unless camgirl rooms are taxpayer funded to be free to the public, then this analogy does not work.

 

[KrabbyPatty]

I wouldn't see the movies any different than a restaurant. Because each place has a fixed limit. So of course you will not be in those locations unless you are spending money that day. But the rooms have no such limits. Both are available for free through different outlets so i'm not sure if that's just a good analogy. I could see kicking out guys who didn't pay if you had a fixed limit of members allowed per room. Then you would obviously only want people in the room who pay. But that's sort of the point of privates and groups. You collect the people with the money and kick everyone else out.

Lolz a Fap tax wouldn't that be something . I suppose you could say the taxes are paid by the people who can afford them in the chat. The high rollers pay higher taxes and get more privileges.

That's more like segregation than any analogy we could come up with. You are this or that and we don't like that so you are not welcome on our park grass type of deal.

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

Why do we even need an analogy?

We're cam models, who are putting on live shows. But in order to do that live show, we have to reach a token countdown that is cleared by those watching us. We don't particularly like it when we see the same people watching but not contributing over and over, so we generally ban them. Because freeloading isn't very nice and we're allowed to run our cam rooms however the hell we want.

Very simple. No analogy needed.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

I wouldn't see the movies any different than a restaurant. Because each place has a fixed limit. So of course you will not be in those locations unless you are spending money that day. But the rooms have no such limits. Both are available for free through different outlets so i'm not sure if that's just a good analogy. I could see kicking out guys who didn't pay if you had a fixed limit of members allowed per room. Then you would obviously only want people in the room who pay. But that's sort of the point of privates and groups. You collect the people with the money and kick everyone else out.

Lolz a Fap tax wouldn't that be something . I suppose you could say the taxes are paid by the people who can afford them in the chat. The high rollers pay higher taxes and get more privileges.

That's more like segregation than any analogy we could come up with. You are this or that and we don't like that so you are not welcome on our park grass type of deal.

But my analogy specifically said that if movies theaters have EMPTY seats should they allow people to come in for FREE and watch that movie.

Yes or no? This also applies to concerts, planes, limos, buses and really anything. What about your cable company? Should they give cable away for free to houses simply because it's there? You have empty rooms in your house...no? Why not just let someone live there?

And really segregation? I'm going to try that the next time they don't let me into a half empty movie for free.

 

[KrabbyPatty]

Why do we even need an analogy?

We're cam models, who are putting on live shows. But in order to do that live show, we have to reach a token countdown that is cleared by those watching us. We don't particularly like it when we see the same people watching but not contributing over and over, so we generally ban them. Because freeloading isn't very nice and we're allowed to run our cam rooms however the hell we want.

Very simple. No analogy needed.

That's the point. Who cares who contributes which day or which show. That hold up never made sense to me. You made the goal and you should be happy. If it was 4 people or 8 people. A lot of girls will give incentives to guys for new tippers. Most of the time it's a video or video package. But we start making these assumptions again. You don't know why someone does or doesn't tip you. We all can't be Boris picking out which cam girl we want to have.

 

[CherryChu]

Okay. No assumptions then. Why don't you tip?

 

[KrabbyPatty]

But my analogy specifically said that if movies theaters have EMPTY seats should they allow people to come in for FREE and watch that movie.

Yes or no? This also applies to concerts, planes, limos, buses and really anything. What about your cable company? Should they give cable away for free to houses simply because it's there? You have empty rooms in your house...no? Why not just let someone live there?

And really segregation? I'm going to try that the next time they don't let me into a half empty movie for free.

But that's still different. It's still a place you have to pay to enter. MFC you don't have to pay to enter. You pay to get what you want. Maybe more like ordering off the secret menu?

No because you pay to enter all those places. You should maybe you will get a free popcorn. If not slip in the backdoor when the usher is not looking.

 

[KrabbyPatty]

Okay. No assumptions then. Why don't you tip?

I'm not going to go into my life story on a public forum. Let's just say I don't have the money to do so at this time. Will that change in the future months or years possibly or possibly not. So that goes back to the point about the grass. Why burn down all the grass? Wouldn't you like to be friendly to the grass so down the road the grass is still around to lay on and enjoy.

 

[JickyJuly]

I don't think you need to focus so much on tipping or not tipping even. Your attitude is so terrible that even if you were a huge tipper, many, many camgirls would ban you. You don't need to crusade for non-tippers. You're in a different douche field than they are.

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

That hold up never made sense to me.

Maybe because you're not a cam model so you're having a slightly difficult time seeing things from our perspective.

I'm not going to go into my life story on a public forum. Let's just say I don't have the money to do so at this time. Will that change in the future months or years possibly or possibly not. So that goes back to the point about the grass. Why burn down all the grass? Wouldn't you like to be friendly to the grass so down the road the grass is still around to lay on and enjoy.

Burn it down! You're trying to enjoy a service that you didn't pay for at all. You don't deserve to consume that service.

Burn it the fuck down.