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I now it is a bit futile, because those type of rules vil also eventually be implemented here (because it is much easier to prohibit than go for the Danish approach)

To help me explain how the subject have been approached in Denmark, at least until now, I asked Gemini for help, it is a bit lenghty, but I made some TL;DR:

If you're trying to understand Denmark's stance on age limits for porn, here’s a breakdown that might make more sense from a US/UK perspective, as it's a bit different from the debates happening elsewhere.

1. No General Ban on Access: The most important thing to understand is that there is no law in Denmark that makes it illegal for a person to view pornography based on their age (assuming they are a teenager, not a young child). The legal focus isn't on the consumer but on the seller and the producer. This is different from, for example, the UK's approach of implementing a mandatory, universal age-gate for access.

2. The "Under 16" Sales Law is a Relic: The law mentioning a ban on selling "indecent materials" to people under 16 is still on the books, but everyone, including the official Danish Criminal Law Council, agrees it's completely outdated and doesn't enforce it. Think of it like an old, weird law you might find in a US state that was never formally repealed. It was written long before the internet and has no practical application today.

3. The Hard Line is a Clear "Under 18" Rule for Production: Where Denmark is extremely strict—just like the US and UK—is on Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM), or what the law calls child pornography. The line is drawn firmly at 18 years old. Any production, distribution, or possession of material depicting anyone under 18 in a sexual context is highly illegal and strictly prosecuted. The liberal stance on adult access does not extend to this in any way.

4. The "MitID" Debate is the Real Story: The current hot topic in Denmark is whether to force porn sites to use MitID for age verification. To understand why this is a big deal, you need to know what MitID is. It's not just a social media login.

  • MitID is Denmark's national digital ID. It's issued by the government and used for everything: online banking, filing taxes, accessing health records, and communicating with all public authorities.
  • Because it's tied to your legal identity, using it for age verification would be extremely effective. However, it also raises huge privacy concerns for obvious reasons, and that's the core of the debate. As of mid-2025, this is still just a proposal, not the law.

TL;DR: Denmark has no general age limit for accessing porn. There's an old, unenforced law about not selling it to under-16s. The law is iron-clad that producing or sharing anything with someone under 18 is illegal. The current debate is about whether to use the national digital ID system to block access for minors in the future, but this isn't law yet.


What might seem like a "lax" attitude in Denmark towards teenagers and pornography is actually a deeply rooted and deliberate cultural strategy. It’s less about being permissive and more about a consistent national philosophy that prioritizes pragmatism, education, and individual responsibility over moral prohibitions.

This approach is built on three core pillars:

1. A Historical Legacy of Pragmatism​

Denmark became the first country in the world to legalize pictorial pornography in 1969. This wasn't a radical-fringe movement but a mainstream political decision driven by careful consideration and pragmatism. The official Danish Criminal Law Council concluded that the existing bans were simply not working. They were difficult to enforce, created a taboo that made the topic more alluring, and failed to prevent people from accessing the material.

The core argument was that adults should be free to choose for themselves and that decriminalization would strip the subject of its mystique and allow for open discussion. This event established a foundational principle in Danish society: it's often better to address a difficult topic openly than to try (and fail) to prohibit it. This mindset naturally extends to how the country approaches teaching its youth about sexuality today.

2. An Educational Philosophy of Empowerment, Not Fear​

The Danish model for sex education is the cornerstone of its approach. It's mandatory, comprehensive, and based on a concept called "seksuel dannelse," which translates roughly to "holistic sexual development" or "sexual literacy." This goes far beyond the biology of reproduction and STIs that often characterizes sex ed in the U.S.

Key features of this philosophy include:
  • Dialogue and Critical Thinking: The goal isn't to lecture students on what's right or wrong. Instead, it's to foster dialogue and give them the tools to think critically. This explicitly includes analyzing pornography to understand unrealistic portrayals, stereotypes, performance pressure, and the crucial importance of consent.
  • A Focus on Well-being: The curriculum covers a broad range of topics essential for modern life: body image, consent, digital etiquette (including sexting), gender identity, and healthy relationships. Pornography is framed as just one of many media influences that young people need the skills to deconstruct.
  • "Uge Sex" (Sex Week): Every year, Denmark holds a national "Sex Week" (always in Week 6), organized by The Danish Family Planning Association. This nationwide event provides all schools with cutting-edge, age-appropriate teaching materials on current topics, ensuring the conversation stays relevant.
The underlying belief is that well-informed teenagers who have a vocabulary to discuss sexuality and boundaries are far better equipped to make healthy choices than those who are kept in the dark.

3. Core Cultural Values: Trust, Individualism, and Pragmatism​

Denmark's approach is a direct reflection of its broader societal values:
  • Individualism and Autonomy: Danish culture places a high value on individual responsibility. There's a deep-seated skepticism towards the state or other authorities acting as a "nanny" or moral guardian. The expectation is that individuals should be empowered to make their own choices, and this respect for autonomy is extended to young people as they mature.
  • High Social Trust: Denmark is a high-trust society. There is a fundamental belief that fellow citizens, institutions, and even teenagers will generally act responsibly if given the right tools and information. The system is built on trust rather than suspicion.
  • Pragmatism Over Moralism: In policymaking, Danes consistently ask, "What is the most effective way to reduce potential harm?" rather than "Is this behavior morally right or wrong?" When it comes to porn, the pragmatic conclusion is that since teenagers can easily access it anyway, the most effective harm-reduction strategy is robust education, not a ban that is easily circumvented and creates a culture of shame or silence.
In conclusion, Denmark's approach is not about neglecting the issue. It's a conscious choice to inoculate rather than isolate. The belief is that the best way to protect young people is not to attempt to build an impenetrable wall around them, but to give them the knowledge, critical thinking skills, and self-awareness to navigate a complex world where pornography is an unavoidable reality.

TL;DR: Denmark's approach isn't "lax," it's a deliberate national strategy. They learned from legalizing porn back in 1969 that prohibition doesn't work. So instead of trying to block teens from viewing porn, they focus on world-class sex education that teaches them to be critical thinkers about it. The system is built on a culture of pragmatism (what actually reduces harm?) and high social trust, rather than imposing moral rules.

Needlesss to say I favour the Danish approach, but then again I come from a country where our national broadcaster's channel aimed at 4–8 year olds had this hit show running for 2 seasons in 2021 and 22:

 
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The timing of the uk implementing ID requirements for certain websites seems sus to me, it just so happens that they decide to do it when (from what I have seen) public distrust and social unrest is on the rise. Like start with porn because "think of the children" is easy to get things passed but from the news I have seen the uk government has been pretty heavy going after people for things they have said on social media etc, but of course they would never abuse making sites require ID to access them so they can monitor who is accessing / saying what. All based off what I have seen online of the UK recently so it could be that it's been heavily one sided information.

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Also when has ID verification for any age restriction ever worked? who's the genius that went "that thing that we do for alcohol and cigarettes and paper porn that doesnt work at all, we should do that online too because it will work this time" 😂
 
Does anyone have any suggestions about how people in the UK can anonymously buy CB tokens while using a VPN?

I've previously used Paysafecard - taking physical cash to a physical shop and buying a piece of paper with 16 digits on it. Nothing linking my real name/address to buying tokens from CB (and a good way to avoid overspending - I need to go to some effort to get tokens).

This method is legally restricted to small amounts, to prevent money laundering, but it's good for buying 550 tokens in each transaction (assuming nothing bad happens with the $ exchange rate). However, the Paysafecard payment to CB will only process if I have a UK IP address.

My ideal would be for that level of anonymity while using a VPN.

At the moment I can log in to CB (using VPN) but I can't buy tokens using Paysafecard. I want to continue using CB but I don't really want to upload my biometric details (face) to some age verification company.

Any suggestions on how to square this circle?
 
Does anyone have any suggestions about how people in the UK can anonymously buy CB tokens while using a VPN?

I've previously used Paysafecard - taking physical cash to a physical shop and buying a piece of paper with 16 digits on it. Nothing linking my real name/address to buying tokens from CB (and a good way to avoid overspending - I need to go to some effort to get tokens).

This method is legally restricted to small amounts, to prevent money laundering, but it's good for buying 550 tokens in each transaction (assuming nothing bad happens with the $ exchange rate). However, the Paysafecard payment to CB will only process if I have a UK IP address.

My ideal would be for that level of anonymity while using a VPN.

At the moment I can log in to CB (using VPN) but I can't buy tokens using Paysafecard. I want to continue using CB but I don't really want to upload my biometric details (face) to some age verification company.

Any suggestions on how to square this circle?

i vaguely remember a similar issue i had at one point with purchases. i was using a browser-based vpn (only the traffic through that browser was pushed through the vpn services while all other traffic i was doing online was not) and i had to turn the vpn off or re-locate the vpn on that particular tab used for payment processing. afterwards, i had to refresh the main page to get it to refresh with my tokens.

i'll see if i can recall what browser it was, but it's my synaptic activity is not connecting at the mo.
 
The lengths people will go to in order to never have their name associated with an adult site...
 
The timing of the uk implementing ID requirements for certain websites seems sus to me, it just so happens that they decide to do it when (from what I have seen) public distrust and social unrest is on the rise. Like start with porn because "think of the children" is easy to get things passed but from the news I have seen the uk government has been pretty heavy going after people for things they have said on social media etc, but of course they would never abuse making sites require ID to access them so they can monitor who is accessing / saying what. All based off what I have seen online of the UK recently so it could be that it's been heavily one sided information.

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Also when has ID verification for any age restriction ever worked? who's the genius that went "that thing that we do for alcohol and cigarettes and paper porn that doesnt work at all, we should do that online too because it will work this time" 😂

I'm convinced they have a tonne of plans ready to distract people from the daily news cycle in the UK. Keir Starmer and some members of his party are absolutely obsessed with their own image and not creating "controversy" like the Tories did.

Don't forget a few days before this decision a tonne of Labour MPs where demonstrating public anger in the commons towards the UKs response towards the Genocide in Gaza and the failure in understanding the importance of recognising a Palestinian state.

I'm also worried that we're going to go down the route of "digitalise everything". You may have seen that with the recent proposal for it to be mandatory for a persons sex to be included on digital id documents which is a massive privacy concern for Transgender and Non-Binary people.

This came just after a massive data breach within the legal aid agency a couple of days prior as well: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/legal-aid-agency-data-breach.
I don't think the government has a clue what they're doing to be honest when it comes down to protecting their citizens privacy.
 
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To be fair, this move is part of the Online Safety Act 2023. It was given Royal ascent during the Tory government and a year before Labour won in 2024.
 
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The lengths people will go to in order to never have their name associated with an adult site...
I'm trying to keep my mouth shut but the breaking point is fast approaching. The phrase, "good for thee but not for me," is putting it as politely as I possibly can.
 
I'm trying to keep my mouth shut but the breaking point is fast approaching. The phrase, "good for thee but not for me," is putting it as politely as I possibly can.
Disappointed in this take really. If someone for example enjoys Watersports (Pee content) it's not an inherently dangerous thing it's just potentially very embarrassing in the wrong hands.
A lot of people have different kinks and fetishes and they don't deserve to be shamed for stuff that isn't illegal because of a data breach.

Don't forget as well this isn't just NSFW content that's blocked. Something as simple as trying to access a subreddit like https://www.reddit.com/r/stopdrinking is also prevented without using a VPN which is ridiculous.
 
I get that… but it’s Offcom, an independent regulator, who manages and enforces this.

I believe they set the roadmap and deadlines months ago 🤷🏻‍♂️

Trying to "enforce" the online safety act. Our government are idiots everyone you know will have heard of a VPN and is likely now using one.
There is a free VPN by Proton that took me a minute to install and i'll just use forever now because I value not just handing my personal info to as many private companies as possible.

The government couldn't even be bothered or maybe was incapable of making their own system for age verification so sites are having to just use whatever the fuck they can get their hands on.

It's been found that u can very easily spoof the age verification by just using a virtual webcam and replacing that video with the guy from the Death Stranding game: https://gizmodo.com/death-stranding-is-helping-uk-users-bypass-age-verification-laws-2000635584 so if anyone thinks this is going to work you maybe need to re-think just how tech savvy young people are.

The worst thing is I kind of agree with the premise of this law and I think if you could implement it safely guaranteeing the privacy of those who use it then it might make sense.
The problem is you can't unless you force your citizens to use an intranet blocking off the rest of the world and introduce fines or prison sentences for those that try to spoof age verification. At that point you might as well just re-enact 1984 and become a surveillance state like China or North Korea though.
 
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OK, that is just ridiculous!
Thats the point! This whole law is ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain will just use a VPN as well.
The reason you aren't seeing a greater uproar about this is because they know they can just use a VPN. The government have just shot themselves in the foot for absolutely no reason.

Not only will people use a VPN. People will use a VPN for another country permanently now which probably isn't a bad thing to be honest but it does make law enforcement for actual criminals operating on the web potentially a lot harder.

When you really break this down into it's components you realise just how awful and ill thought through it is.
It kind of proves that older people in parliament really should not be trusted to vote for online safety regulations as well if they barely even understand the consequences of their actions.
 
I haven't even gotten to the fact that it has the potential to cripple the UK economy even more than it already is because who would you want to accommodate users in the UK if it looks like all your visitors are from the Netherlands, Spain etc...

Then consider that some sites will just close their site for those in the UK to avoid implementing restrictions they can't even afford and that some of our largest exports are related to software development.
 
Finally it also directly contradicts the purpose of GDPR and disproportionately targets those who have less resources and money available at their disposal.

I have a site i've been working on for a while that will compare different Cam, Content sites etc... and what am I meant to do? It's a static site so I can't just implement expensive age verification processes. I will have to ban all users that have an ip address based in the UK.

As final proof the company behind Proton just saw a 1800% increase in VPN use within the UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn72ydj70g5o

A Proton spokesperson said: The UK was now among countries generating the highest usage of its VPN
 
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I read that people are bypassing these without even needing a VPN, you just take a photo of someone from TV or a fake photo of a celeb or whatever it works fine hahaha

So there ya go if you don't want to use or pay for a vpn or get your photo taken for this, try it
 
I read that people are bypassing these without even needing a VPN, you just take a photo of someone from TV or a fake photo of a celeb or whatever it works fine hahaha

So there ya go if you don't want to use or pay for a vpn or get your photo taken for this, try it

Yeah I just mentioned something similar to that with the Death Stranding video clips. Using or installing a VPN is a lot easier and most providers wont accept static photos but the fact u can bypass it in 2 separate ways fairly easily kind of points out how pointless it is and how it's just going to hurt our revenue even more with no real benefits.
 
The balls to suggest stealing someone else's image...
Yeah... Not the best take.
Static images don't work anyway u need a video with a hyperrealistic face it seems. People have been using videos of the Death Stranding video game characters face but it's more of a demonstration of why the technology doesn't work not an endorsement. A VPN is the only approach people will actually use.
 
I don't think the government gives a shit to be honest when it comes down to protecting their citizens privacy.
FIFY

i also think the majority of governmental ruling classes that are putting these rules in place have zero idea of what it actually takes to implement something of this scale correctly and have zero idea how virtually fruitless it is to try and outwit those wanting to go around these implementations. control of the majority is the name of the game, even if only through perception, and ruling class manage the lower classes by causing as much distraction in-fighting of the lower classes as possible so they're too busy arguing with each other to recognize what is going on above.

/soapbox
 
A VPN is the only approach people will actually use.
Because god forbid they actually verify their identity.

That was my point before.

I feel like as much as you're making points in general about how not great it is that society is moving in this direction, you're also missing my point entirely so I'm just going to STFU now. Just wanted to get it off my chest that I find it highly annoying the users don't bat an eye that us broadcasters have to verify our ID and trust the site to keep OUR info on file to CREATE the content, but scoff at the thought of them having doing the same to CONSUME our content.

Carry on.
 
Because god forbid they actually verify their identity.

That was my point before.

I feel like as much as you're making points in general about how not great it is that society is moving in this direction, you're also missing my point entirely so I'm just going to STFU now. Just wanted to get it off my chest that I find it highly annoying the users don't bat an eye that us broadcasters have to verify our ID and trust the site to keep OUR info on file to CREATE the content, but scoff at the thought of them having doing the same to CONSUME our content.

Carry on.

Amber, I know this wasn't meant to speak to me, but I just want to say that I personally think it is scary af for these companies to require the level of identification of creators as they do. I'd never have the guts to hand it over. i don't care how much security a system has; if it's connected to the internet, it is vulnerable. it's just a question of whether someone wants what is there or not.

all of our info is out there already, but most of us aren't worth the trouble of assembling all of the pieces for nefarious purposes.
 
I think the large majority of UK members who actually tip couldn’t care less about verifying themselves via a quick selfie if it means they don’t lose access or have to fork out for a VPN.

The ones downloading a VPN for chat-specific sites are probably lurkers anyway…
 
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i also think the majority of governmental ruling classes that are putting these rules in place have zero idea of what it actually takes to implement something of this scale correctly and have zero idea how virtually fruitless it is to try and outwit those wanting to go around these implementations. control of the majority is the name of the game, even if only through perception, and ruling class manage the lower classes by causing as much distraction in-fighting of the lower classes as possible so they're too busy arguing with each other to recognize what is going on above.

/soapbox

What confuses me a bit more is Keir Starmer used to be a Human Rights Lawyer, wasn't privately educated. He isn't in the same kind of class as these elites.

You could make the argument that yes he earns a lot more than most people and he has a lot of power now but it isn't on the same scale as someone like Rishi Sunak who owns millions and can afford to renovate his private pool whilst others where struggling to pay for electricity.

Pretty much everything his party has voted for if u ignore the renationalisation of the railways and green climate deals seems like a form of self sabotage as well. I mean they cut disability benefits and had to do a complete 180 after people realised how bad it would actually be.

I think the most likely scenario is those in charge of the party are just incompetent though. There are a lot of Labour MPs that are a real force for good but they just get ignored or evicted out of the party.
 
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I think the large majority of UK members who actually tip couldn’t care less about verifying themselves via a quick selfie if it means they don’t lose access or have to fork out for a VPN.

The ones downloading a VPN for chat-specific sites are probably lurkers anyway…
There are tonnes of free VPNs and most have an EU country option (usually the Netherlands or Germany) as the default location. The cost argument makes no sense.
 
The timing of the uk implementing ID requirements for certain websites seems sus to me, it just so happens that they decide to do it when (from what I have seen) public distrust and social unrest is on the rise. Like start with porn because "think of the children" is easy to get things passed but from the news I have seen the uk government has been pretty heavy going after people for things they have said on social media etc, but of course they would never abuse making sites require ID to access them so they can monitor who is accessing / saying what. All based off what I have seen online of the UK recently so it could be that it's been heavily one sided information.

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Also when has ID verification for any age restriction ever worked? who's the genius that went "that thing that we do for alcohol and cigarettes and paper porn that doesnt work at all, we should do that online too because it will work this time" 😂
Well that didnt take long 😂


looks like they are already starting to use the bill to censor unfavorable media.