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AND is it really the case thats its nothing to do with Chaturbate themselves? If so why does it not really happen as much on other sites?

To be honest I am really really suspicious of CB and its shady practices, or am I just being paranoid?

Atleast a year ago now I had a lengthy conversaton with support about the amount of recordings there were on google from my CB shows, they say its 'illegal' and as a good will gesture they would get them removed for me, but I had to copy and paste shitloads of images from these recorded shows and send them to CB, I did and spent fucking ages doing it, NONE of them got taken down though! :mad:

Now I have an ex performer on Skype telling me this is ALL down to CB and they record the shows and they themselves are the 'torrent' sites. I just dont know what to believe, it does seem extremely odd to me if Chaturbate genuinly have no control over who is recording from their site? Just does not seem legit...
 
Unless there is some ultra mega conspiracy going on behind the scenes, it's not CB doing this, nor is it MFC. I believe they even have automated gates to try and prevent suspicious IPs to an extent (at least on MFC), but they have minimal to no success. As long as there are publicly accessible shows by users who don't need an account & with little to no IP/captcha checks, this is going to be a problem.

There are bots that auto crawl on model's pages on both CB and MFC and record the shows, posting them illegally on their websites. It happens on others as well I believe (i.e. Bongacams?), but those seem to be the big two. It's clearly stolen content and illegal as can be, but from my understanding of the situation, the sites that display the illegal content skirt around DMCA claims one way or another...
I.e.) "We don't host the content. We just point to it." Sites get out of big-time DMCA trouble by stating that they don't actually hold the video content on their servers-- they just display it through video sources (i.e. Openload, Upstore). Then the video hosting sites say "oh, it was illegal content! How abhorrent! Please we'll remove it for you... just fill out this form and go through the lengthy procedures... Ok, it's removed-- ahh, someone already re-uploaded it on our hosting site? That's crazy-- please, fill out this form and go through the lengthy procedures again." This means that they can say they aren't 'ignoring' the DMCA takedown request, but they're not really helping the problem as they make their ad revenue. Likewise, some of the video hosting websites have shifting URLs and some other tricky ways (i.e. international discrepancies) to try and make things difficult.

Unfortunately, I'm not very knowledgeable of the takedown request initiation process, but I think there is a DMCA form you can fill out (or you can hire people to fill forms for whatever website(s)), instead of trying to get CB to fill it out for you. Someone more knowledgeable on this subject maybe can chime in.
 
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There are bots that auto crawl on model's pages on both CB and MFC and record the shows, posting them illegally on their websites.
this.
but I think there is a DMCA form you can fill out (or you can hire people to fill forms for whatever website(s)), instead of trying to get CB to fill it out for you. Someone more knowledgeable on this subject maybe can chime in.
Not recommended to do it yourself as they require (though you can illegally lie on the form and just use your username, I suppose) your real ID information. This information is sometimes publicly available once the DMCA is successful.

Always best to go through the cam site or a company that is legally able to file them on your behalf, thus protecting your identity. Or try your best to pretend the recordings don't even exist and just go about your day, because in the long run, the effort spent to tirelessly get content removed could be better spent on more profitable things.
 
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Ok thanks I have a bit more understanding now!

I'm guessing having a 'dmca' watermark on the camfeed is completely pointless then.
 
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I'm guessing having a 'dmca' watermark on the camfeed is completely pointless then.
To my understanding, the only thing a DMCA watermark on a video is basically doing is saying "Hey, this is copyright! Don't steal it!" However, a bot doesn't really understand/care, and chances are, if some anon is recording it, they probably already know it's copyright and are stealing it anyway. It's debatable how helpful it really is, but I can't really see it as much of a deterrent.
 
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Ok thanks I have a bit more understanding now!

I'm guessing having a 'dmca' watermark on the camfeed is completely pointless then.
It's much more helpful to watermark your feed with your username or your website so that 1. people who see it and want to enjoy more of your content can find your legitimate stuff, and 2. it can be more easily identified it as yours if you do utilize a DMCA service.
 
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I am often asked to make OBS social media advertisement images/gifs. I usually recommend one in place of the DCMA icon. This is because it accomplishes 2 things, instead of only 1. The first is that it advertises your social media (or whatever). The second is that it is an identifiable watermark on your video, directly tied back to you. I have been told that having this proof on the video window makes a DCMA take-down much easier than just having the standard DCMA "deterrent" logo.

Perhaps something to consider.

Cheers,
Cexmental
 
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I have found recorded videos of me and reported them to bonga and chatur supports (because i broadcast on both websites) and bonga's lawyer deleted them in 1 week, meanwhile chaturbate support told it takes 1 months and not sure if they can delete it. Could you tell me if chatur support ever deletes these videos?
 
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When a cam site sends a DMCA, they're basically sending an email asking the site to take down the stolen content.

Many of these sites don't respond to DMCA requests.

OR if they do, the videos shows up again as a new upload.
 
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When a cam site sends a DMCA, they're basically sending an email asking the site to take down the stolen content.

Many of these sites don't respond to DMCA requests.

OR if they do, the videos shows up again as a new upload.
Are there any ways to completely delete videos then? Or we just have to accept it?
 
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As a mentor, i advice:

watermark even you poo
Put DMCA PROTECTED In yours lives
And start to fill those forms because they are lucrative as hell with a good international lawyer pressing (i did a lot when my boderline was in full speed and i cant work so dmca was one of my “paychecks”

dont be worry

internet is not anymore the land of nobody.
we have laws now we can process and process gooood. Im in a big fat lwsuit against the app called facecast (stoled from my account more than 4 millions coins/tokens)

any doubt my inbox is open and social midia are the same user as here
 
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As a mentor, i advice:

watermark even you poo
Put DMCA PROTECTED In yours lives
And start to fill those forms because they are lucrative as hell with a good international lawyer pressing (i did a lot when my boderline was in full speed and i cant work so dmca was one of my “paychecks”

dont be worry

internet is not anymore the land of nobody.
we have laws now we can process and process gooood. Im in a big fat lwsuit against the app called facecast (stoled from my account more than 4 millions coins/tokens)

any doubt my inbox is open and social midia are the same user as here
wait, you can earn money pressing DMCA charges?
 
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Hi
Yes we’ve been caught out by recordings put on other sites.
I see a lot of people on here have been caught out also.
I have managed to get hold of the majority of the sites in question and the content has been removed from there sites.
But there are a couple that I cannot get hold of and I’m hoping chaturbate will help us!?
We’ve messaged chaturbate a few times but no reply yet
Is it common to wait over a week for a reply?
Also though the content has been removed from the sites the images are still on google images, will these go eventually?
Any help would be great we are going crazy trying to sort this and really need good advice and help!
Thanks everyone
 
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Fun fact.

A couple months ago I discovered someone on xhamster/strip using pre-recorded videos from these sites, and actually succeeding for a while..

i mean it was literally like 5+ days, and took me finally being able to get in touch with one of the models, while she was live on CB, alerting her and providing evidence....

and next time i checked it was removed...

it's actually a really interesting story, so here's an attempt at a short version..

back in January i went on xhamster, noticed a pretty recognizable model was on... but using a different name.. popped in i was like wow i've never seen her live... cool, she must be laying low and just having fun on a different site.. i left... saw another particularly stunning model so naturally i pop in for a closer look.

the "stream" wasn't making since, she was getting tips galore and then idle... and never once reacted to anything people were saying... to test, i tipped a few tokens, enough to make her notice the toy vibrating inside and i'd get an alert... NOPE

i thought back to that original model... what do you know... VERY similar naming structure, all 2 part words and 8 characters.. suddenly im feeling like fuckin dick tracy and shit,
opened a dialog with live support... .waited... waited.. even used words like SCAM FRAUD etc... 3 hours later i get a reply.. gave all the details. more than enough proof that anyone could clearly
see there was something fishy....

this mf'er has the audacity to come back not 20 minutes later and tell dick tracy that upon investigating he determined there is nothing wrong with these two streams and thanked me.

:confused:🦧😧😠 so the tips were *pouring in* for the "girls" the fraud was pretending to be.... (he never once chatted, btw, but banned in both rooms for calling him out!!)
and for real i had not a damn thing better to do... so i did it for the cause. i remembered some details about the 2nd one after i went back in using private browser mode to watch more, sick moves only quasi-transformed a proclaimed dick holmes or sherlock tracy would do. taking those details from my elephant-like memory bank i googled a pretty sophisticated query "<modelsname>"

after the top secret database disk drives stopped spinning the data had securely landed in my firefox tab. literally like the 3rd result it listed one of these sites, pay-walled but allowed a preview or two... remembering the socks she had on (special christmas socks) i did some quick maths and science like deductions. working tirelessly it was a few hours later before the results made any sense. i came up with December 25th... so i found the video from that day.. BAM. took my time and made adjustments so it would be perfectly framed, waited for my color adjusting app to provide the perfect light, within no more than 9 hours i was able to take the screenshot. with no time to waste i accosted the support agent, provided him with this 100% golden egg of proof... he actually thanked me, seemed to be concerned... and genuinely thanked me and said they will take care of it!

24 hours later, imagine my surpise when the vids were still up.i hit up support, got a different person, she responded instantly, asked her to reference the chat, and she assured me this was being taken care of if he said it was, but that's all she could provide.

so in all seriousness, i'll stop being sarcastic. this shit was pissing me off. i am going how the HELL would a model feel protected on here if they knew about this???? tips were still racking up on both streams... even the LONG TERM GOALS had been propagated with chips... on blank white profiles... some guys..........................are............................... not smart. at all. i was like what in the ????, even after telling them they kept throwing tips...

so, compelled to see this through to the end i did 2 3 a number of things, i had made a reddit thread the next morning after noticing they were still online but the videos had changed to different recordings, setups, the works.. so yeah created a thread on Chaturbate official one (i guess it was official, tons of activity) to which nobody responded.. so i frigging deleted it 3 days later. 💩


backing up to the things i did.. it was infact the wee hours of same morning that i decided to hell with doing things the way that made sense.... the obviously correct way, the only way it should be... and decided to inform CB that one of their models was a victim of fraud on a competitors site. e-mailed chaturbate support, without saying names i told them what the deal was in a round about way, and indicated i was concerned as it's been maybe edging on 48 hours and no action had been

the only email i received then was the automated reply. but determined I provided them with the update that i had talked with the female representative from xham who had re-assured me they would be taken care of.... 12 hours later.. i sent another one with a different tone going "WTF???" and a bit about how are models supposed to feel protected. 25 hours after that i received a human response
Support (Chaturbate)

Jan 15, 2021, 21:35 EST
Thank you for your report. We appreciate your concern and we will take appropriate action. Please let us know if you have any additional details to share in the meantime.

Thank you,


the other thing i did... after the first 24 of them not being deleted.. i reached out to the first model, the only way i could... through onlyfans.. she had a free one, so i was like heck yeah this is gonna work!!!! well, there was a $5 tip required for a PM. i can respect that, with over half a million followers on CB alone... so i paid the $5 and sent the message... fortunately i had typed enough to get my point across because i accidentally sent the message somehow... low and behold it would have cost me $10 to finish so.... yeah.... the coolest thing was, yes her video got taken down... and no i never even got a reply or a thank you or been blessed with any sort of good fortune since.. but that doesn't perturb me none. not meme'n at all there, i know how twisted and dark life really is... and "Grim reality" does not shock me much anymore, if at all.

casting aside the grim reality of it..... with or without my valiant efforts to put a stop to what took me all of 30 seconds to figure out and have proof-in-hand of... golden.. no frigging platinum tier goose eggs of evidence... it doesn't take a genius to figure out that "wow. this must be the way this actually is", but thankfully i was there anyway. hah. ok no more.

already disgusted at this lack of action on behalf of both sites, i contemplated deleting my account on xham.... but i ended up getting bored, getting platinum and a bunch of tokens... ya know, for the cause.. and sometime between 84 and 96 hours they took the very famous model's stream offline... well that's something... the other one was up still with a fresh video and a who slew of new tippers, and about 1/5th of a way to a fairly substantial goal..

ironically when you have the platinum status your support questions are answered instantly, but will it do any good?

however there is some light at the end of the tunnel...

around 96 hours have gone by, really probably more... and finally i was able to catch the young russian model's stream! apparently she had taken a break.. so confidence back on high i waltz on in and introduce myself, say i had tweeted at her earlier but she had claimed to block tweets, once again, understandable.. the look on her face as i was telling her this, and her mod PMd us in some sort of 3 way chat... and i showed them the screenshots.... the look on her face when she opened the steam and saw her own video being played.... a mix of expressions, admiration mixed with bewilderment, anger yet happy it was reported.... i mean on some level i could see being impersonated as a time-honored rite-of-passage for models. heck of a lot better than being unknown.

a true gentleman, i received the thank yous from both of them and i felt proud, the 100+ hour ordeal was over.

an hour or two later, the fraud stream was offline for good!!!!

i'm sure that's the only time videos have been taken from these sites and used to profit off unknowing innocent models, right?? guys?? right? :||||||

that who situation was complete crap... what if it was something that needed to be off the air immediately??? and by contacting another company's support, i was thinking there was some direct line red colored phone connection... all those billions of dollars gotta go somewhere... but not into support i guess. no offense to the hard working folks around here connected to these places... ya'll already know!

i admit i didn't want to go through that again, so i didn't even look. bit it REALLY makes you wonder how many impersonations are really going on at any given time... potentially undetected for days... weeks.. your months or even your yeear.... but i'll be there for you, too... you realize how frigging easy it is to pull off, and how dumb some of us guys really are... naive and gullible people exist, and the sheer volume of folks watching porn at any given time.. i am sure the variance can seem stacked high over a short sample span like i witnessed... but jeeez that doesn't bode well on society as a whole...

and you can take that one to the bank and tell 'em ol' dick T sent ya!


i am not even going to proof-read this ... a little scared to... but hopefully someone will read and enjoy!!! :) i'll read it later but in the mean time if anyone notices anything missing or arranged funny lmk, i literally just typed and corrected the major red spelling errors and here we are!!!!!


enjoy!!!! thanks for reading if you did! i thought it was worth telling, even in raw lotacy rough draft formatting... so i hope it was worth the read!

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P.S. - but seriously wtf is with those sites, it seems like they're making a killing charging people to view illegally recorded streams.. and to be quite frank, i may or may not have ALLEGEDLY had the thought cross my mind that the first person at offending site's support could have been part of it... but there's no way i would allegedly think that way so must be purely drivel. :shake:✌️
 
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! :mad:

Now I have an ex performer on Skype telling me this is ALL down to CB and they record the shows and they themselves are the 'torrent' sites. I just dont know what to believe, it does seem extremely odd to me if Chaturbate genuinly have no control over who is recording from their site? Just does not seem legit...

LOL

wHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY, when CB has discovered such a lucrative business model, would they bother illicitly recording their own material for wrongful distribution???


That is a completely cracked-up theory. CB is a total gravy train for those operating it, and if you can bank on one thing, it is that nobody there wants the law to derail the gravy train express.
 
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The other side of this is CC scams. Sites that say they have videos show short teasers but if want to see full video you have become a member and supply CC details for membership fees. No membership is given but they now have card details ;)
 
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