What makes a popular model magic?

[Ambers Troll]

i do not think Troll in this example, was trying to say negative things about European or US cam girl. I have noticed a strong preference to use PM with some of the countries. US cam girls will flip out if you pm to much in my experience.

Exactly, and you will find small differences such as this within certain regions. Some models even get upset if you post in public at all, it is easier to just PM. Another thing you will commonly find is the concept of having a 'sponsor', this changes how a model cams significantly.

On the PM thing. I know a few models who work to control others private messages for instance, the boring parts so that the model can work freely with serious members. Discovering this was a little scary, but in fact it opens up the models time for more real interaction, and ensures that language problems become less of an issue.

 

[GracieHart]

i do not think Troll in this example, was trying to say negative things about European or US cam girl. I have noticed a strong preference to use PM with some of the countries. US cam girls will flip out if you pm to much in my experience.

Exactly, and you will find small differences such as this within certain regions. Some models even get upset if you post in public at all, it is easier to just PM. Another thing you will commonly find is the concept of having a 'sponsor', this changes how a model cams significantly.

On the PM thing. I know a few models who work to control others private messages for instance, the boring parts so that the model can work freely with serious members. Discovering this was a little scary, but in fact it opens up the models time for more real interaction, and ensures that language problems become less of an issue.

Again though you are making huge generalisations about essentially the rest of the world outside of the US when in fact the distinction is probably actually between studio and non-studio models. I *think* (and I dont want to speak for everyone here) the issues people had with what was said were the assumptions, generalisations and blatant stereotyping that are being applied to all cam models who are not North American.

Edit: I am making assumptions now by assuming that when you talk about regional differences you are continuing the trend of meaning "foreign" models.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

based on that you could argue that appearing to be from a different place than usual could help, not necessarily pretending to be american. Anything different seems to work sometimes.
And Fay said she listed herself as UK... that's not america.. i don't get how that counts.

idk. maybe mostly american girls appear to be in the top 100/250 currently but there's lots of girls that do well outside of the range and quite probably making the majority of.. the rest of the money? if that makes sense? I feel like it has to be the case. They wouldn't keep logging on would they?!
Also if you scan the current popular models and they seem mostly american but it also seems like a newer trend if you scan back to the earlier years it looks as though if that's the case it used to be more balanced in the past up in the top spots.

so maybe americans are a trend or overcame their minority cam model status against the odds. :lol: I don't know.
But it seems impossible. I would think non-american models must be make some kind of tokies if they are the overwhelming majority of models online... everytime I've ever looked at the site ever.

The argument is that there is a prejudice against Eastern European models in particular and non American's in general. The US has about 5% of the world population, if you assume that you need broadband either in your home or at studio, the US may represent 10% of the population with broadband access. Generally it appears 10-15% of the models are or claim to be from North America.

As you note the majority of top 100 models are American or Canada.. (Pretty sure there is very little anti-Canada prejudice)

The reason that models from the rest of the world keep signing up and loggin on is simple; economics. Even if they make less money on relative basis they still make very good by the standards of their country.

Here is one measure of income by country Purchasing power parity per capita,
1. Qatar $98,814
US $53,301
Germany $40,007
UK $37,307
Poland $21,214
Russia $17,784
Romania $13,396
Philippines $4682

So for instance your 1500 camscore is roughly equal ~$30/hour (less because of offline work that you have to do) but is still a good wage. For a woman in early 20s a great wage, the per capita income in Romania is 1/4 that of the US so a Romania woman with a camscore of 400 would making a good wage by Romanian standards. I have no idea of the demographics of MFC premium members, but it does seem to be that vast majority of the big tippers are American. A 400 camscore in the US is basically minimum wage so might as well a take a job in retail, or waitress and avoid the negative stuff associated with camming.

As to why American models get tipped more I don't know.

 

[GweenBlack]

based on that you could argue that appearing to be from a different place than usual could help, not necessarily pretending to be american. Anything different seems to work sometimes.
And Fay said she listed herself as UK... that's not america.. i don't get how that counts.

idk. maybe mostly american girls appear to be in the top 100/250 currently but there's lots of girls that do well outside of the range and quite probably making the majority of.. the rest of the money? if that makes sense? I feel like it has to be the case. They wouldn't keep logging on would they?!
Also if you scan the current popular models and they seem mostly american but it also seems like a newer trend if you scan back to the earlier years it looks as though if that's the case it used to be more balanced in the past up in the top spots.

so maybe americans are a trend or overcame their minority cam model status against the odds. :lol: I don't know.
But it seems impossible. I would think non-american models must be make some kind of tokies if they are the overwhelming majority of models online... everytime I've ever looked at the site ever.

The argument is that there is a prejudice against Eastern European models in particular and non American's in general. The US has about 5% of the world population, if you assume that you need broadband either in your home or at studio, the US may represent 10% of the population with broadband access. Generally it appears 10-15% of the models are or claim to be from North America.

As you note the majority of top 100 models are American or Canada.. (Pretty sure there is very little anti-Canada prejudice)

The reason that models from the rest of the world keep signing up and loggin on is simple; economics. Even if they make less money on relative basis they still make very good by the standards of their country.

Here is one measure of income by country Purchasing power parity per capita,
1. Qatar $98,814
US $53,301
Germany $40,007
UK $37,307
Poland $21,214
Russia $17,784
Romania $13,396
Philippines $4682

So for instance your 1500 camscore is roughly equal ~$30/hour (less because of offline work that you have to do) but is still a good wage. For a woman in early 20s a great wage, the per capita income in Romania is 1/4 that of the US so a Romania woman with a camscore of 400 would making a good wage by Romanian standards. I have no idea of the demographics of MFC premium members, but it does seem to be that vast majority of the big tippers are American. A 400 camscore in the US is basically minimum wage so might as well a take a job in retail, or waitress and avoid the negative stuff associated with camming.

As to why American models get tipped more I don't know.

I LOVE DATA, i want to jump in this conversation and talking about my country

Brazil minimum monthly pay is ~ 320 USD

There are tons of girls who escort during college year here, since one month a medium quality college is ~ 500 usd, besides all other costs. A good one, like med school is ~ 3000 usd.

Most the girls that join sex-work(talking about video porn industry and escorting) here in my state is in college years, and usually on Law on Administration school.

English is thought to us since we are in first grade, english, spanish and portuguese (mandatory, that doenst mean that the teachers are good or people actually learn), camming is new around here, but since last year i've notice a number of girls joining streamte and IMLIVE websites, there is some brazilian cam sites but i don't remember their names.

ViceBR made two months ago an article about cam models (http://www.vice.com/pt_br/read/eu-camgirl), and now its a big fever here. I won't lie, I joined because it was a hobby that occasionally would bring me extra money for MTG cards and dinner at restaurants, and now its my full time job :lol:. I've been getting few friends-of-a-friends asking me how to be a cam model, and because of the minimum wage.

A law assistent during law school makes 250 usd a month (they can get underpaid for not being former lawyers) and around ~900usd when they graduate. The cam model world is tempting for those, since they know english pretty well at a point to be able to communicate.

It is very very tempting being paid in dollars. Since 1usd=2,20 BRL it is like you are getting paid "double".

Since Brazil has a big image about sex industry (which actually we are not very open about, the country is very religious) it is easy to abuse the "brazilian body" image, so i am surprised that on MFC there are only 4 active brazilians (including me) that i know of.

 

[LilyMarie]

RE: Foreign models. I have NOTHING against foreign models at all, but I have to admit I do filter out models who are not from North America/UK/Australia, simply because I'm looking for models I can have a conversation with, and often there is a language barrier with Romanian, Russian, etc. models.

See, this makes me pretty upset. You can have a conversation with models who aren't American. You're forgetting about non-Romanian, non-Russian European models with good English skills. And about Romanian and Russian models with good English skills! You're automatically excluding them without giving them a chance. :|

I'm confused, though, about what Lily was saying about being filtered because she DOES pop up on my front page, always. Perhaps it's because she lists her location as Turks and Caicos Islands (a UK territory)? I dunno. Is there an IP filter I'm not aware of?

I've always been using a VPN recently. I get an IP address in Ashburn, VA, so I show up for people who filter out anyone not from North America.
What you list on your profile has nothing to do with how you're filtered, you're being filtered by IP address. e.g. if a Romanian model has "United States" on her profile, but her IP address is Romanian, she won't show up for people who have set their filter to "show only -> North America".

I see a spike in viewers when I log on in a different time then usual, or looking a little different or in a different location. (...)

based on that you could argue that appearing to be from a different place than usual could help, not necessarily pretending to be american. Anything different seems to work sometimes.

I know for sure that my room count increase has to do with my IP, that's the criterion - not the time of day or location or whatever. It's something I've continuously noticed over 1.5 years, and it's not debatable. The question is why it's the case, why so many people filter out EU models.

Lily's speaks pretty much flawless unaccented English (catching my typo latter not later) when I first saw her I thought she was from So Cal before reading her profile. She absolutely could pass as an American camgirl, unlike many of the model who lists US as their country of origin on their profile. (Hint if you are going to do this don't list your height and weight in metric measurements.)

Well that just totally made my day. I couldn't pass as an American girl (what made you think SoCal from reading my profile? Now I'm curious) and I have a crappy accent but yeah...that really means a lot to me, thank you.

 

[GweenBlack]

Lily's speaks pretty much flawless unaccented English (catching my typo latter not later) when I first saw her I thought she was from So Cal before reading her profile. She absolutely could pass as an American camgirl, unlike many of the model who lists US as their country of origin on their profile. (Hint if you are going to do this don't list your height and weight in metric measurements.)

Well that just totally made my day. I couldn't pass as an American girl (what made you think SoCal from reading my profile? Now I'm curious) and I have a crappy accent but yeah...that really means a lot to me, thank you.

I saw her online, and i saw her around here....then it took me her patriotic nails for world cup to know that she wasn't american/british :lol:

I would never guess you are not a native english speaker :appl

 

[Leon_Omega]

i do not think Troll in this example, was trying to say negative things about European or US cam girl. I have noticed a strong preference to use PM with some of the countries. US cam girls will flip out if you pm to much in my experience.

Exactly, and you will find small differences such as this within certain regions. Some models even get upset if you post in public at all, it is easier to just PM. Another thing you will commonly find is the concept of having a 'sponsor', this changes how a model cams significantly.

On the PM thing. I know a few models who work to control others private messages for instance, the boring parts so that the model can work freely with serious members. Discovering this was a little scary, but in fact it opens up the models time for more real interaction, and ensures that language problems become less of an issue.

Again though you are making huge generalisations about essentially the rest of the world outside of the US when in fact the distinction is probably actually between studio and non-studio models. I *think* (and I dont want to speak for everyone here) the issues people had with what was said were the assumptions, generalisations and blatant stereotyping that are being applied to all cam models who are not North American.

Edit: I am making assumptions now by assuming that when you talk about regional differences you are continuing the trend of meaning "foreign" models.

First off, ASSUMCEPTION!

I personally think it's the stereotype that is causing the problem here. It seems to me that a lot of people have issues with the stereotypical "Eastern European Camgirl" that sits in a studio, does little to engage the room, complains when people don't talk (sometimes using insults) and is very "teep"-focused, will jump your bones in PM before the room has fully loaded in and end up being somewhat possessive if you ever took her private.

From my experience as a cam perv, it seems that a disproportionate amount of models from Eastern Europe seem to play up this stereotype (and yeah, it happens so often in nearly identical ways that I'd be surprised if this ISN'T because of the people running the studios they tend to broadcast from) and as the stereotype has a lot of traits that members experience as being annoying, some may choose to just block them as best they can.

I find this silly. I don't do many privates, and among the top 3 are two Eastern European girls. Now I know this sounds like "I'm not racist, some of my best friends have a skin color that's different from mine." but I feel justified in this case because I would legitimately have missed out on some of my best (and most replayed) private sessions had I filtered out these areas.

Personally I can't ever see myself filtering out any specific areas. Every camgirl deserves at least one chance to wow me. Let's be honest here, every camgirl you haven't seen is potentially your new "Favorite camgirl EVAR" or a worthy addition to an ever-growing list of runners-up. I know I found my favorite by keping an open mind and poking around a bit deeper.

 

[LuckySmiles]

So for instance your 1500 camscore is roughly equal ~$30/hour (less because of offline work that you have to do) but is still a good wage. For a woman in early 20s a great wage, the per capita income in Romania is 1/4 that of the US so a Romania woman with a camscore of 400 would making a good wage by Romanian standards. I have no idea of the demographics of MFC premium members, but it does seem to be that vast majority of the big tippers are American. A 400 camscore in the US is basically minimum wage so might as well a take a job in retail, or waitress and avoid the negative stuff associated with camming.

As to why American models get tipped more I don't know.

well this post is just bunching the panties I'm not wearing tonight in a lot of ways. maybe because I'm not in my early 20's or even 20's :lol: and you're analyzing how much money I make publicly. Slightly condescending. And since we're already analyzing how much money I make p/h :? maybe because I fundamentally disagree with camming quality of life being more negative than restaurant or office jobs where some people can(have :whistle: ) make $20-$50 p/h but can suck way worse than anything bad from camming. maybe it's because a good portion of the multi-thousand token tippers I've have are in international waters.

but I'm being nitpicky. I digress. As I said if I'm not even wearing panties why should I feel bunched.
maybe it's really just because I'm reading it at nearly 6am and past my bedtime.
I know I know. I started it.

But my main point is I just think it's silly to perpetuate that it's an american dominated site since americans make up a lot of the site but not the majority... they make up a part of the site's tippers but who really knows how much...
Even if americans are more than half in the top 250 I have no idea for sure. What if europeans, say, comprise up to a quarter of the top 250 and more than half of ranks 251-10,000. Might more tokens be going to Europeans on the sight as a whole long term. Isn't this a real possiblility? I think so.

And it's not like all the Miss MFC's have been american so I feel like when you talk the site being really american dominated or whatever it's detrimental and isolating and sucking the fun out of it. I like MFC because it's international. My titties have been seen and tipped by people all over the world from my tiny closetlike camroom. That's part of the fun.

There's lots of models in countries other than america that have made a fuckton of tokens. It's not a token eliminating factor in it of itself. It can't possibly be. I want more countries represented in Miss MFC dammit. No one on there should start out thinking the odds are stacked against them because they don't live in North America. That's just silly and not going to help anyone or the site as a whole.

I think popular magical models can come from all countries of the world. Get your magical modelness on.

 

[Fay_Galore]

No one on there should start out thinking the odds are stacked against them because they don't live in North America. That's just silly and not going to help anyone or the site as a whole.

Why is this so hard for you to accept? Why are you furiously denying this? Is this something personal to you? It is a fact! The majority of MFC's members is American, no doubt about that. Non-American girls (non-commonwealth) simply have a lot less traffic, that's a fact too. So, they dó have the odds against them for making it big.

You seem pretty established, I cannot see your camscore but I think you've been around long enough for a pretty impressive following, otherwise I would have invited you to try a couple of nights using a german/french/dutch VPN. This of course, doesn't really matter that much if lots of people already have you on their friendslist.

I use a UK vpn because I feel I have more in common with an UK audience then an American one. I know a few things about the country and it's culture. Not that much about USA. Maybe 'America' isn't covering it and I should have used 'commonwealth' or 'native english countries'. But I would still say there's a big difference in traffic between UK and US, and even bigger between Europe and US.

I'm quoting Yossarian here for the wise words.

Keep in mind, also, that you have to take into account the membership. It seems like the majority of MFC viewers are American, or at the very least, English-speakers. So if a lot of them (like me) don't want to visit non-English speakers, and then you add all the guys from non-English-speaking countries who WANT to see Americans, that makes a smaller pool for the, as you said, LARGE group on non-Americans to fight over. Essentially, the small group of American models are getting most of the viewers, and the thousands and thousands of non-Americans have to share the rest.

So, to sum it up:

Facts
- Non-North-American girls have less traffic.
- Top 10, top 20 and top 100 have always been dominated by American girls.
- The majority of MFC's members is North-American
- There are more non-American girls on MFC then there are American.

speculation:
- Timezones (obviously this is a big one, MFC's peakhours are between 4 am and 7 am european time)
- Lots of american members filter out non-American girls, or non-commonwealth girls (I guess we could state that as a fact too, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes)
- The large number of non-American girls with a camscore bellow 300. (not great exposure for non-Americans either)
- Porn industry is American, let's face it. it's the biggest industry in the world. Cam girl Mansion, American. Girls with the biggest online presence, American. Cam conventions, industry conventions, all American. Cam Girlz the documentary, American. There's just a lot more exposure available to North-American girls. Not saying it's a bad thing (I think those are all awesome things), just adding up to why American girls are overall more successful than non-American girls. (of course, you can always just travel to America for those things, change your hours to be online during US nights.... use am american VPN.... but that's sort of my point there )

Especially the combination of members filtering out non-american models and the fact that there are more non-american models active on MFC makes the pond for non-Americans a lot narrower then for American ones. See where this is coming from?

This is not meant as a pitty-rant or anything like that, I choose to be part of this world, I don't feel bad for myself or my fellow non-american camgirls, but it does push my buttons when someone is completely denying the fact that there ís a disadvantage to being non-american in this scene. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

 

[Fay_Galore]

Damn, too late to edit. But, LuckySmiles, I took this from your own profile. This should give an indication of the percentage of members from commonwealth countries visiting your profile.

34.500 (just to round it up) visitors

commonwealth countries (america, canada, UK, australia)
19.593 hits

other countries
1.484

together makes 21.077

19.593/21.077 = 92% (92% commonwealth visiting your profile)
1.484/21.077 = 7 % (7% non-commonwealth)

of course they didnt list all the countries, so it's fair to say the majority of the rest of the hits are from non-commonwealth countries (not all, because we've still got new zealand, northern ireland, and a few others) so let's say 70% of the remaining hits are from non-commonwealth countries.

remaining hits:
13.423, 70% = 9.396, 30%= 4.027

total sum of commonwealth traffic:
19.593 + 4.027 = 23.620 -> 23.620/34.500 = 68%

of which 80 percent is american (estimate, I'm tired of the math )

 

[GracieHart]

Lucky

I don't want to sound mean but maybe you misunderstood what was being said earlier? Cos I have read what you have said and I cant really understand how you have things backwards :?

Even if you want to ignore the anecdotal evidence from Fay, Lily and also me (I always used a VPN on MFC) about the change in viewer numbers due to the use of a vpn the figures in general speak for themselves. Like you said the site has more models from outside North America than from within it but yet Top 100 is dominated by North Americans. It means statistically speaking you have a lower chance of making Top 100 (and as such making large token numbers) if you are not in North America.

Can those from outside North American do well? Of course, no-one is disputing that - it just means that there will be an added hurdle for them to address and that little bit harder. That doesnt mean MFC is not an international site - it just means us "foreigners" face a bit of a disadvantage...

And there also seems to confusion over listed country on MFC profile affecting your country grouping - IP only impacts where you are grouped on the MFC homepage. So Americans living in Europe and camming from there will be filtered out whereas if I use a American VPN I will be included in the North America category even though I list my country as Christmas Island.

 

[Falke]

I guess others have more or less said this, but if only some fraction of the site's membership (2/3? 3/4?) is willing to go into a European models's chat room, but European models greatly outnumber NA/UK/Australian models, then it's no wonder that they have lower room counts and therefore have a harder time earning well. Competition to get members is necessarily much fiercer when there are more models and relatively fewer members willing to even give them a chance (i.e. geo-blocking). Obviously it is advantageous to be one of the 200 models that 90% of members will see rather than one of 750 models that, say, only 70% of members will see. (My guesses about levels of geo-blocking might be way off, though.)

That's too bad, because there are some really great European models on the site. I've never really had much of a language issue that couldn't be resolved by a quick explanation, and there is a nice tradeoff in getting to know someone from a different culture. Not to mention sexy accents... :-D

I've also noticed a tendency for Eastern European models to use the PM function more, and not just in the immediate "hi, bb, want a private?" sort of way. I've even had one tell me to stop chatting in public, because she preferred PM. Then again, my favorite model is constantly trying to get guys to talk in public chat rather than PM, so my "anecdata" is mixed. It seems like this one model gets a lot of people watching from PM, and I wonder if that is common for American models as well. Might that make Europeans' room counts seem smaller because so many are watching by PM? One other possible difference is that that Eastern European models I've seen tend to be more private focused rather than tips for public stuff, which might be because they also cam on private-oriented sites. But maybe that's a studio model thing more than a regional thing.

One last thing before I stop rambling... About the relative wages. Something to keep in mind for a lot of Eastern European models is that they are also losing a cut to the studio, so their keep is likely slightly if not significantly lower than their cam score would suggest.

 

[AmberCutie]

So, to sum it up:

Facts
- Non-North-American girls have less traffic.
- Top 10, top 20 and top 100 have always been dominated by American girls.
- The majority of MFC's members is North-American
- There are more non-American girls on MFC then there are American.

I'm not posting this because I disagree with anything you've been saying, but I just wanted to point out that the bolded part is untrue. When I first started in late 2009 and through 2010 and most of 2011 the top 20 was still dominated by non-Americans, and for a good portion of that time, Eastern Europeans dominated the top 5. Even when the #1 spot started being frequently filled by a NA model, the rest of the roster was non-American.

Things have taken a very North American turn since 2012 and skyrocketed since then as MFC seemed to have an influx of North American girls who had pretty immediate success in the top 20. Somewhere in that time it became a very popular thing for NA girls to jump on board with.

 

[Leon_Omega]

Timezones (obviously this is a big one, MFC's peakhours are between 4 am and 7 am european time)

Not just this. Because we're 5-8 hours ahead of the US, that means that for most of the evening (which seems to be the most popular time for camming for many models) the American audience will be at work, in college, etc. By the time they get home, eat dinner, walk the dog, etc. and sit down to perv on MFC, it'll be past midnight even in the UK.

 

[LuckySmiles]

Damn, too late to edit. But, LuckySmiles, I took this from your own profile.

:lol: But you forgot to factor the 20 times a day I check my own camscore that isn't even there anymore counting as american visits! :-D And the counts I get from the days I post on ACF :-D
Americans just look at me and leave I tell ya :-D
I know what's on there and I wish it didn't say lovers anymore hahaha but I made it a long time ago and there's too many views to take down now.
I'm just saying I know for me personally several of my biggest tippers of all time that I've chatted with aren't american. However I also openly invite any americans to try and sway those tipper stats in any other directions

I'm being silly.I get what everyone means, I really honestly do, and I'm going on and on too much about this, fortunately I don't care if I sound a little crazy pants sometimes. But I honestly don't think I have anything backwards. Everyone is saying cammers outside of the US are starting at a disadvantage as though it's a fact and I'm saying I don't think that's true as a fact. I know how the site works. I just say.. I think it's a French word...bullshit.

And this one of those rare cases where in life you can keep saying it, you make it true even if it isn't as members and as models. If you log on thinking well I'm not going to do as well as americans because of my IP address and my accent that's strike one. MFC is psychological warfare on a good day. I'm going to log on and get called old, ugly and overweight on MFC on a good day. If you're not american and you let the fact that you're not American psych you out because this month the Miss MFC's are American. And this thread keeps repeating to you how important that supposedly is. I think you're gonna have a bad time.

there's bajillions of exceptions to everything and anything on MFC and when you try to break it down as a science where this always happens or that always happens...idk...it seems more counterproductive than anything. MFC can be predictable to a point, sure. But if it was factually, scientifically, or mathematically predictable in any way everrr.. less of us would be so crazy pants.. and none of it would be any fun.

Back on topic? :whistle: I think those magical popular models :-D (I just like saying that.) are better apt at handling the overall insanity that is myfreecams than the average world citizen. I think that is very important. and a million times more important than where you live

 

[AmberCutie]

I think those magical popular models :-D (I just like saying that.) are better apt at handling the overall insanity that is myfreecams than the average world citizen. I think that is very important. and a million times more important than where you live

Absolutely agree with this.

 

[SilentOne]

America is very accepting of porn and it is widely known. But I mean other countries, do porn. Its just a little over the top then our porn ahahaha. I've watched alot of russian porn and there crazy ahahahah. No way in hell would america let that type of shit on porn hub or youporn. I've seen asian porn and they don't show any private parts so obviously there more conservative when it comes to getting down and dirty. I've never traveled outside of the states, but I'm pretty positive there is a wide market for porn everywhere in the world. Just every country goes about it in there own way. Now, as to camming( Which in my opinion is not porn) May not be well known in other countries. I have yet to see a camming site from another country. I could bewrong though. Mfc is a american site after all, so it only makes sense that americans are mainly on it.

 

[LilyMarie]

Can you just quit all that generalizing... :roll:

 

[RainyDayGuy]

As you note the majority of top 100 models are American or Canada.. (Pretty sure there is very little anti-Canada prejudice)

Ugh. Canadians. They are the worst.

(Before any Canadians get there maple syrup soaked panties all twisted, I'm joking. Sort of.)

 

[yossarian]

RE: Foreign models. I have NOTHING against foreign models at all, but I have to admit I do filter out models who are not from North America/UK/Australia, simply because I'm looking for models I can have a conversation with, and often there is a language barrier with Romanian, Russian, etc. models.

See, this makes me pretty upset. You can have a conversation with models who aren't American. You're forgetting about non-Romanian, non-Russian European models with good English skills. And about Romanian and Russian models with good English skills! You're automatically excluding them without giving them a chance. :|

You're right, and I wish MFC had a mechanism (like the language filter I suggested) to allow me to find awesome English-speaking French, German, Italian, Romanian, etc. girls, but they don't. Consequently, and the reason I ended up using the filter, was that every visit to MFC became a spelunking expedition to find girls who speak my language and, as Ms. Brown says, "Ain't nobody got time for that."

 

[JoleneBrody]

[Another thing you will commonly find is the concept of having a 'sponsor', this changes how a model cams significantly.

I wonder if I could get Expo dry erase products to sponsor me? I could silk screen "Dry erase THIS!" on the butt of all my panties.

 

[Leon_Omega]

As you note the majority of top 100 models are American or Canada.. (Pretty sure there is very little anti-Canada prejudice)

Ugh. Canadians. They are the worst.

(Before any Canadians get there maple syrup soaked panties all twisted, I'm joking. Sort of.)

Pff, everyone knows Canadians aren't capable of getting angry

 

[LilyMarie]

RE: Foreign models. I have NOTHING against foreign models at all, but I have to admit I do filter out models who are not from North America/UK/Australia, simply because I'm looking for models I can have a conversation with, and often there is a language barrier with Romanian, Russian, etc. models.

See, this makes me pretty upset. You can have a conversation with models who aren't American. You're forgetting about non-Romanian, non-Russian European models with good English skills. And about Romanian and Russian models with good English skills! You're automatically excluding them without giving them a chance. :|

You're right, and I wish MFC had a mechanism (like the language filter I suggested) to allow me to find awesome English-speaking French, German, Italian, Romanian, etc. girls, but they don't. Consequently, and the reason I ended up using the filter, was that every visit to MFC became a spelunking expedition to find girls who speak my language and, as Ms. Brown says, "Ain't nobody got time for that."

A language filter wouldn't be realistic :/ How do you determine how good a model's English skills are? Anyone could just claim to speak English really well instead of being honest, and then nothing would change. Unless they'd have all models participate in some sort of language test when applying, and that would be... super weird.

 

[mutantdonut]

A language filter wouldn't be realistic :/ How do you determine how good a model's English skills are? Anyone could just claim to speak English really well instead of being honest, and then nothing would change. Unless they'd have all models participate in some sort of language test when applying, and that would be... super weird.

I was thinking the same thing as English skills vary from person to person. Many countries teach English, even when its not their native language, and the US does a ton of teach English abroad programs to assist other countries. So just by that, practically any model can check mark the English-speaker box.

 

[Fay_Galore]

So, to sum it up:

Facts
- Non-North-American girls have less traffic.
- Top 10, top 20 and top 100 have always been dominated by American girls.
- The majority of MFC's members is North-American
- There are more non-American girls on MFC then there are American.

I'm not posting this because I disagree with anything you've been saying, but I just wanted to point out that the bolded part is untrue. When I first started in late 2009 and through 2010 and most of 2011 the top 20 was still dominated by non-Americans, and for a good portion of that time, Eastern Europeans dominated the top 5. Even when the #1 spot started being frequently filled by a NA model, the rest of the roster was non-American.

Things have taken a very North American turn since 2012 and skyrocketed since then as MFC seemed to have an influx of North American girls who had pretty immediate success in the top 20. Somewhere in that time it became a very popular thing for NA girls to jump on board with.

ah, you're totaly right, I shall draw back my statement thanks

 

[Fay_Galore]

I'm being silly.I get what everyone means, I really honestly do, and I'm going on and on too much about this, fortunately I don't care if I sound a little crazy pants sometimes. But I honestly don't think I have anything backwards. Everyone is saying cammers outside of the US are starting at a disadvantage as though it's a fact and I'm saying I don't think that's true as a fact. I know how the site works. I just say.. I think it's a French word...bullshit.

And this one of those rare cases where in life you can keep saying it, you make it true even if it isn't as members and as models. If you log on thinking well I'm not going to do as well as americans because of my IP address and my accent that's strike one. MFC is psychological warfare on a good day. I'm going to log on and get called old, ugly and overweight on MFC on a good day. If you're not american and you let the fact that you're not American psych you out because this month the Miss MFC's are American. And this thread keeps repeating to you how important that supposedly is. I think you're gonna have a bad time.

there's bajillions of exceptions to everything and anything on MFC and when you try to break it down as a science where this always happens or that always happens...idk...it seems more counterproductive than anything. MFC can be predictable to a point, sure. But if it was factually, scientifically, or mathematically predictable in any way everrr.. less of us would be so crazy pants.. and none of it would be any fun.

Back on topic? :whistle: I think those magical popular models :-D (I just like saying that.) are better apt at handling the overall insanity that is myfreecams than the average world citizen. I think that is very important. and a million times more important than where you live

While everything you're stating in this post is true, it's not really what we're debating, is it?

Sure we all have out disadvantages, and absolutely we should focus on the positive instead of the negative, and of course when you're thinking "I'm failing because of my location" you will fail. But that is completely besides the point. you were (are?) refusing to accept that there is a disadvantage to non-american girls. after we've given you a bunch of facts and views you're simply stating "I think it's bullshit, you shouldn't identify yourself with such a negative thing as a disadvantage, anyone can succeed!"

that's not really on point. at all.
It's all very true and wise, but it does not take away the simple fact that being european ís a disadvatage. same as having one arm is, and being over 50 is, and having kids to take care of, and not having privacy where you live. etc. etc.
doen't mean you can't succeed. dóes make it a tiny bit harder.

 

[JoleneBrody]

OH! A tiny bit off subject but while in vegas I was talking with OUSweetheart about germans for some completely random reason I don't remember and Lily came up, and she was SHOCKED to learn you were German because you have no accent. She thought you were Canadian.

You speak incredible english Lily!

 

[yossarian]

RE: Foreign models. I have NOTHING against foreign models at all, but I have to admit I do filter out models who are not from North America/UK/Australia, simply because I'm looking for models I can have a conversation with, and often there is a language barrier with Romanian, Russian, etc. models.

See, this makes me pretty upset. You can have a conversation with models who aren't American. You're forgetting about non-Romanian, non-Russian European models with good English skills. And about Romanian and Russian models with good English skills! You're automatically excluding them without giving them a chance. :|

You're right, and I wish MFC had a mechanism (like the language filter I suggested) to allow me to find awesome English-speaking French, German, Italian, Romanian, etc. girls, but they don't. Consequently, and the reason I ended up using the filter, was that every visit to MFC became a spelunking expedition to find girls who speak my language and, as Ms. Brown says, "Ain't nobody got time for that."

A language filter wouldn't be realistic :/ How do you determine how good a model's English skills are? Anyone could just claim to speak English really well instead of being honest, and then nothing would change. Unless they'd have all models participate in some sort of language test when applying, and that would be... super weird.

Yeah, but it would weed out enough to at least significantly impact the problem--it wouldn't really benefit models to lie about it because it would be easy enough to figure out once you're in their room. I dunno. Do you at least see where I'm coming from, though? It's not that I have anything against models who don't speak English, but I like to chat and the language barrier is just too insurmountable in most cases.

 

[LuckySmiles]

While everything you're stating in this post is true, it's not really what we're debating, is it?

Sure we all have out disadvantages, and absolutely we should focus on the positive instead of the negative, and of course when you're thinking "I'm failing because of my location" you will fail. But that is completely besides the point. you were (are?) refusing to accept that there is a disadvantage to non-american girls. after we've given you a bunch of facts and views you're simply stating "I think it's bullshit, you shouldn't identify yourself with such a negative thing as a disadvantage, anyone can succeed!"

that's not really on point. at all.
It's all very true and wise, but it does not take away the simple fact that being european ís a disadvatage. same as having one arm is, and being over 50 is, and having kids to take care of, and not having privacy where you live. etc. etc.
doen't mean you can't succeed. dóes make it a tiny bit harder.

Ok so then no I don't accept it as fact because it's a slippery slope.

I'm arguing against analyzing current trends in MFC model popularity as advantages or disadvantages to any one individual model, which feels relevant. Maybe it's more comparable to saying short haired girls are at a disadvantage because you see more long haired girls making tokens. I mean... long hair is a trend that might today be more universally popular as being sexy on women and on the internet. But it's still just a trend based on what you currently see more of. And calling having shorter hair a disadvantage on MFC would sound borderline insane to me. If Americans are trending in higher popularity on MFC today it's still just a trend. They're the kinds of things that can seem to last a long time, but can also change on a whim without warning. That makes it impossible for them to be factual concepts, since they're extremely fluid things.

Agree to disagree. :handgestures-salute:

 

[Alexandra Cole]

I'm arguing against analyzing current trends in MFC model popularity as advantages or disadvantages to any one individual model, which feels relevant. Maybe it's more comparable to saying short haired girls are at a disadvantage because you see more long haired girls making tokens. I mean... long hair is a trend that might today be more universally popular as being sexy on women and on the internet. But it's still just a trend based on what you currently see more of. And calling having shorter hair a disadvantage on MFC would sound borderline insane to me. If Americans are trending in higher popularity on MFC today it's still just a trend. They're the kinds of things that can seem to last a long time, but can also change on a whim without warning. That makes it impossible for them to be factual concepts, since they're extremely fluid things.

I agree with this. It's a fickle, fluid world.

If the end goal is to have as many people as possible in your room then I suppose it wouldn't hurt to use an IP based in a country that isn't typically filtered out, assuming you've eliminated time of day as the main factor and assuming enough people use filters for that to make a difference. But what if those filters just mean that the members who do find your room are the most likely to enjoy it?