Why do you sell photos/videos?

[HiGirlsRHot]

Why do you sell photos/videos?

Because it is really hard to hit daily token goals without them. Once upon a time, being a cam girl mainly just involved being ON cam, live. But over the years it has evolved into being a multi-media girl, and if you don't make videos and picture sets to sell for tokens, you fall behind in the game.

It is necessary.

To make money without having to sit in front of a camera seems like the obvious answer . I'd also add that if model does have videos I am far more likely to make a larger tip 100,200, 700 (for a multiple videos) than if she is just doing a countdown, when I'll just make a series of 10-20 token tips. Hence, videos provide an rationalization for tipping, I am not just tipping so that 500 freeloader can watch her cum, I also get a video that the freeloaders don't.

I am curious, for models in general, what percentage of your income comes from video/picture set sales?

 

[LadyLuna]

I make very little off of video sales, but at the moment it's because they have to go to my video store to find one that they like. I'm working on a list of all the videos I have (it's on my blog, but I didn't get very far.. x.x) but there's a whole hella lot of them.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

An example of what now?

Being independant, smart, beautiful, and good with people?
Making a smart financial decision?

Doing a job that does not DEMONIZE or SHAME sex or sexual fantasies?


I am proud of who and what I am. And if I was a teacher, I'd be an excellent example on the whole to students.

My role-model was a teacher/social worker, and a career prostitute in new zealand. And while i never got ovetly exposed to her prositution, it was there and present. She said she never once regretted it, though she had some really dangerous situations happen. She said at the time, it made sense. And that she was proud of who she was.

I don't think it made me want to do sex work, but it changed my opinion from one of negative, judgemental and PITY for sex workers, to a positive or neutral stance.

(im on cold/flu meds and feeling a lil spacey so if this makes no sense, i apologize. its also not meant to sound aggressive to anyone here, just .. passionately present my opinion)

There is a big difference between someone having worked in the sex industry and letting people know about it and explaining it in the correct manner and kids being able to find actual videos of the person. My videos do not show me as smart, independent or good with people. They show me being sexy, dancing and masturbating. If it were porn/boy girl stuff then they'd be videos of me being fucked. As much as sex is awesome and there is nothing wrong with camming/porn, there is a big difference when you're a child hearing about something and actually seeing it. Children are very impressionable. If in school I knew a teacher had done something like that it'd have been one thing, if I'd seen it... well, that's a different matter.

As much as my experience in the sex industry has been pretty great, and pretty innocent really, I still think teachers should almost act as a parent figure. Parents are allowed to have sex, but children don't want to see that stuff. It would scar me for life if I'd seen some of my teachers doing what I did now! Now I'm 22 I wouldn't care, but at the time... god that'd have been disturbing.

 

[AdmnMatt]

First things first, fair warning, this is going to be a long response in an attempt to quote everyone and reply in due course. Secondly, I apologize if my original post came off like me sounding like an arrogant asshole, wasn't my intention at all, I guess all my ideas got written down so quickly I didn't take the time to tone it back a little. I'm starting to represent the persona of my avatar character.

Um...yeah? I can't think of any model I know who isn't aware of this. This thread is just kind of funny. Don't worry, we're not all oblivious morons. :lol:

I'm glad you can't think of any, and I'd hope you weren't all oblivious morons! My message is simple, the more this is spoken about, it may reach/help the models who aren't unaware when they make this decision.

1. Although there are tippers who cap, or cappers who tip, in my experience it is usually a lurking guest/basic/freeloader. I would be very upset if a member bought videos from me and shared them around so I'm glad in the year and a quarter that I've been selling videos regularly that it hasn't happened.

2. I would like to minimise the people who can see me naked/doing shows to people who catch me online at a set time and who give me money.

3. One of my friends has always wanted to find me, I mentioned to him once I was getting annoyed at videos being posted up of me. He found the video within 10 minutes, and with it all my camming information.

4. And I'll second Jessi, I can understand you mean well, but you talking to us like we're completely moronic and might never have thought of this makes you look kind of dim.

5.My question is "Why do you ask obvious questions without really thinking them through?"

1. I agree, it is generally only the freeloaders who commit these kinds of offences and I hope it wouldn't happen to any model, it would be a very low % of members who would commit that crime against a model.

2. Realistically, the only way to avoid this, is to work on a cam site like jasmin, where public nudity is forbidden. I've met countless girls who won't work on MFC because they hate the idea that members other the ones paying for the show, could watch them getting naked.

3. I've shocked model friends of mine like that too, betting that I'll find them on other sites and all of their information/videos that follow. I do it and they can't beleive it, as long as you know how to google search, nothing is off limits.

4. After sleeping on it and coming back and reviewing myself, I can see how it can be read/viewed like that. I really didn't mean to come across like that, some of the most intelligent women I know I've met through videochat, so it's definitely not the case, again I apologise!

5. They're obvious questions?! really?! I wouldn't say that, and I don't think it hurts to get a models view on the subject, even if I did unwillingly spark a few fires in the process. Isn't that was discussion is? Putting things out there to put them into context? If I could think it through on my own, don't you think I would have done that? I do hope you're right and that the majority of the model community are fully aware and do what they can. But I will refrain in future posts and be a little more subtle. Points taken fully.

fuck not being able to hug my students. Fuck not being able to talk naturally in front of them. Fuck not being able to treat them as a friend when we're not in the classroom.

Why do you think men don't go into teaching? They're too damn scared about having lawsuits throw in their faces, courtesy of society.

Most of the girls you watch are so young and have absolutely no idea what they're doing for the moment, let alone in the future. Most of them accept that they will be capped etc or it could come up, but that girls real life circumstances might have changed completely.

Amen, I agree that girls should have the right to start fresh, thats why you see some which won't even show their faces or get nude, they want to protect that possibility and make some cash in the meantime.

Why do you sell photos/videos?

Because it is really hard to hit daily token goals without them. Once upon a time, being a cam girl mainly just involved being ON cam, live. But over the years it has evolved into being a multi-media girl, and if you don't make videos and picture sets to sell for tokens, you fall behind in the game.

It is necessary.

Fair point, Amber, I'm not a model or don't intend to be one, so I can't make calls or judgements on what its like to earn tokens or whats required. I do understand that selling videos/photos are almost a standard part of the job now, at least, its going that way.

Bullet points, yo :-D

- Videos for sale or no videos for sale, a cam girl's shows are likely gonna end up being shared without their permission and thus their privacy compromised. I'm guessing most cam girls accept this when they start camming. If they can't accept that, then camming might not be a good career choice for them.

This should be the first section of text on the MFC contract when a girl signs up (not that all of them will read it). Thanks for breaking down those points into clear, simple responses, it was getting a little out of control.

1. Members do understand that the majority of models are super aware of this and you're not telling any of us anything new here, yes?

2. Probably? You think it's probable that a girl's neighbor gets to see a video she sells...? LOL.
Everything can happen. We know this. However, not everything is likely to happen. The truth is, unless you're a famous pornstar or really popular top model who doesn't block any region, the odds that your neighbor ends up with your video are very low. Please don't say it's 'probable' - that's ridiculous.

3. Believe it or not, there are decent members on MFC who only use a model's videos for their own entertainment. They don't even think about spreading them. Crazy, right?
The logic: We make money selling our videos. :mrgreen:

1. This ex-member is getting hard hitting reality check I think! I'm glad to hear it if that is the case now.

2. I was a tincy bit over exaggerating here.. it is ridiculous, but hey it got the attention it was seeking..

3. There are such decent members on MFC, I was regarded as one of them, not that I brought videos, but you're correct, and I hope it continues to be that way.

1. Why? Well, it's too much income to pass up, first of all. They sell, and they sell well. People want videos and business is about finding a demand and filling it.

2. My last point will be that although I don't want my family and friends and acquaintances to know about my life as a smut peddler, it would not be the end of the world if they did.

1. I'm starting to see the picture now, it's nice to see someone being open and unbiased about it too

2. The main point is that you realize the risks and acknowledge it, I guess I was under the close minded persona that models were not fully aware of the potential repercussions, I soon was told that wasn't the case.

Deja vu. Didn't we just have this "Us cam girls know what we're getting into" conversation in the Stolen Videos thread? Lol.

I'm new, and I think this thread is a lot more direct and to the point. Any discussion is healthy discussion, as long as people don't become too riled up.

1. If you are camming, you're taking the risk of it coming back to haunt you.
Have you considered that it doesn't matter to some models, if their neighbour sees it?

2. I simply don't do anything I don't want to deal with explaining to my grandchildren, neighbour, or family.
Ok actually maybe thats a lie. I DISLIKE having to deal with explaining it to those people. However, it is something I am inherently OK with if it comes to that. Just like any other job, this has its dangers, and we decide what kind of risk comes with it.

3. I think you seem to think that models don't realize these risks, or we wouldn't possibly be doing this. While I'm sure some models regret it later, and im sure there are some that are a bit...er... naive, overall I think you grossly underestimate models ability to make decisions about what they are and are not ok with being out there, forever.

1. If it doesn't matter to some models, I'm happy for them!
2. It's good to know that you're prepared and are okay with the potential inherent risks.
3. I have grossly underestimated, I will admit that, this is what happens when you leave the game for a while..

I hope I cleared everything up!! Feel free to pester (PM) me if you have anything to say/ask further.
Loving this forum btw.

 

[LilyEvans]

I think you got some of the replies you did because questions like this get real old real fast. Being (mostly) young, female, and in the adult entertainment industry means we are frequently treated like "dumb whores" who can't take care of ourselves. Questions like this just feel insulting because, frankly, you are just pointing out the obvious. It's a bit like going to a carpentry forum and asking why they use power tools when they run risks like cutting their fingers off. It doesn't matter if you are trying the be helpful, because the implication is that they are too stupid to have thougth about those risks even though it is their job.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

To answer the question, I don't care.
Everyone in my life knows what I do.
I plan on working for myself my whole life and being a stay at home mom later in life. So no background checks.
If my neighbor watches my videos, I hope he enjoys them and tips me well!!

 

[Anonymous]

I am curious, for models in general, what percentage of your income comes from video/picture set sales?

A tiny percentage. But then again, I don't make videos and pictures as often as most models do, with the exception of the 500-token 'daily pics for a month' thing that I do.

 

[Anonymous]

Why do you think men don't go into teaching? They're too damn scared about having lawsuits throw in their faces, courtesy of society.

Yeah, I thought it was ridiculous that there was a policy that male daycare employees couldn't change a child's diaper. :roll: I learned this when I worked at a daycare center in Long Island, New York. WTF? These guys were great with kids, were good enough to be hired for the job, and the kids adored them, but it's "inappropriate" for them to help out with the diaper-changing?

 

[Anonymous]

Realistically, the only way to avoid this, is to work on a cam site like jasmin, where public nudity is forbidden. I've met countless girls who won't work on MFC because they hate the idea that members other the ones paying for the show, could watch them getting naked.

Public nudity is also forbidden in ImLive free chat, and ImLive doesn't fuck around when it comes to rules being broken...lol. I think it's a great site, and I'd still be camming on there myself if chargebacks weren't a problem. Below-the-waist nudity is forbidden in Streamate public chat too (you can be topless). I've heard too many bad things about Live Jasmin from fellow models, so I'd stay far away from that site.

And welcome to the forum, Matt. :hello2: You seem like a nice guy, and I like the way you've handled responding to the posts so far. It's awesome to see a new member who is polite and considerate of others' feelings. :thumbleft:

 

[AwesomeKate]

I can't imagine trying to cam without video sales. They account for 20-25% of my income, and nearly 100% of all the passive income (offline tips) that I make. It makes me feel good to have something to give to a generous tipper, and I have a lot of fun filming them.

 

[AdmnMatt]

And welcome to the forum, Matt. :hello2: You seem like a nice guy, and I like the way you've handled responding to the posts so far. It's awesome to see a new member who is polite and considerate of others' feelings. :thumbleft:

Thanks hun! I understand that I've pissed off a lot of models as an introduction statement into the forum but I like to think I'm a good person and do consider others feelings. (Thus the long winded post) Only some people are unfortunately inept of accepting other people's views, I'll consider it their loss

Matt

 

[LaceyRoyce]

And welcome to the forum, Matt. :hello2: You seem like a nice guy, and I like the way you've handled responding to the posts so far. It's awesome to see a new member who is polite and considerate of others' feelings. :thumbleft:

Thanks hun! I understand that I've pissed off a lot of models as an introduction statement into the forum but I like to think I'm a good person and do consider others feelings. (Thus the long winded post) Only some people are unfortunately inept of accepting other people's views, I'll consider it their loss

Matt

you didn't piss me off... i thought you handled yourself well, though the initial post was a little.. condescending its by no means the WORST first post you could have made (check out "its little but cute" thread for an example of a truly awful introduction)

 

[Jessi]

And welcome to the forum, Matt. :hello2: You seem like a nice guy, and I like the way you've handled responding to the posts so far. It's awesome to see a new member who is polite and considerate of others' feelings. :thumbleft:

Thanks hun! I understand that I've pissed off a lot of models as an introduction statement into the forum but I like to think I'm a good person and do consider others feelings. (Thus the long winded post) Only some people are unfortunately inept of accepting other people's views, I'll consider it their loss

Matt

Yeah I think you kinda misunderstood the repsonse here You kinda had a condescending-captain-obvious moment, and it was a little laughable. No one is actually offended or pissed off :lol:

 

[AdmnMatt]

you didn't piss me off... i thought you handled yourself well, though the initial post was a little.. condescending its by no means the WORST first post you could have made (check out "its little but cute" thread for an example of a truly awful introduction)

Thank you again, from your initial response I didn't think I offended you either, that's why I made sure I said 'a lot of' and not 'all' Thanks for the feedback and I will check out that thread

 

[LaceyRoyce]

you didn't piss me off... i thought you handled yourself well, though the initial post was a little.. condescending its by no means the WORST first post you could have made (check out "its little but cute" thread for an example of a truly awful introduction)

Thank you again, from your initial response I didn't think I offended you either, that's why I made sure I said 'a lot of' and not 'all' Thanks for the feedback and I will check out that thread

LOL just don't kill me after you see what's in it.....

 

[AdmnMatt]

Yeah I think you kinda misunderstood the repsonse here You kinda had a condescending-captain-obvious moment, and it was a little laughable. No one is actually offended or pissed off :lol:

I'm glad you considered it laughable Jessi It's a good attitude to have I do hope you're right though, it did feel like towards the end that I was the devil and sea of models jumped in to support and wage off this evil opinionated visitor :evil:

 

[Evvie]

I think you got some of the replies you did because questions like this get real old real fast. Being (mostly) young, female, and in the adult entertainment industry means we are frequently treated like "dumb whores" who can't take care of ourselves. Questions like this just feel insulting because, frankly, you are just pointing out the obvious. It's a bit like going to a carpentry forum and asking why they use power tools when they run risks like cutting their fingers off. It doesn't matter if you are trying the be helpful, because the implication is that they are too stupid to have thougth about those risks even though it is their job.

I have to go both ways on this.

Lily is totally right. Many times, we are treated like we are stupid children simply due to the fact that most of us are young, female, and attractive.

However, I also do think that there are many models who do not think through, or even consider, the repercussions of camming. To make an example out of myself, I am pretty often told that I'm smart, mature for my age, wizened like Gandalf, et cetera - and I put absolutely no thought in to the damage camming could have on my life before I started when I was 19. If I could go back, I would still have started camming, but I would have done a LOT of things differently. If I had seen a thread like this, it may have encouraged me to think about the realities of what I was getting myself in to.

I believe many women may wrongly be under the impression that what happens in live chat stays in live chat, what happens in private chat is private, and a video sent to 3 members will only be seen by 3 members. Cam sites do tend to give a false sense of security and I can't think of any cam site that fairly warns models of the privacy risks involved. Cam models are not always very technologically literate, and some women may not even be aware that screen recording programs exist, that there are huge forums set up specifically to trade our videos, or that there is an actual industry based off of stealing and reselling our content.

 

[AdmnMatt]

If I could go back, I would still have started camming, but I would have done a LOT of things differently. If I had seen a thread like this, it may have encouraged me to think about the realities of what I was getting myself in to.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Evvie, much appreciated input.

 

[LilyEvans]

I think you got some of the replies you did because questions like this get real old real fast. Being (mostly) young, female, and in the adult entertainment industry means we are frequently treated like "dumb whores" who can't take care of ourselves. Questions like this just feel insulting because, frankly, you are just pointing out the obvious. It's a bit like going to a carpentry forum and asking why they use power tools when they run risks like cutting their fingers off. It doesn't matter if you are trying the be helpful, because the implication is that they are too stupid to have thougth about those risks even though it is their job.

I have to go both ways on this.

Lily is totally right. Many times, we are treated like we are stupid children simply due to the fact that most of us are young, female, and attractive.

However, I also do think that there are many models who do not think through, or even consider, the repercussions of camming. To make an example out of myself, I am pretty often told that I'm smart, mature for my age, wizened like Gandalf, et cetera - and I put absolutely no thought in to the damage camming could have on my life before I started when I was 19. If I could go back, I would still have started camming, but I would have done a LOT of things differently. If I had seen a thread like this, it may have encouraged me to think about the realities of what I was getting myself in to.

I believe many women may wrongly be under the impression that what happens in live chat stays in live chat, what happens in private chat is private, and a video sent to 3 members will only be seen by 3 members. Cam sites do tend to give a false sense of security and I can't think of any cam site that fairly warns models of the privacy risks involved. Cam models are not always very technologically literate, and some women may not even be aware that screen recording programs exist, that there are huge forums set up specifically to trade our videos, or that there is an actual industry based off of stealing and reselling our content.

I definitely agree with you! My post was not meant at all to say this was a superfluous post, just that the way it was worded probably provoked some of the less-receptive comments. That in addition to the fact that we have seen several posts like this lately from new members who did take a few moments to see that we already have many other threads discussing the same or similar topics ("Reality Check" comes to mind) just rubs a lot of people the wrong way, even if the intentions are good.

I don't have a problem with AdmMatt, in fact I think he's handled his first thread admirably. I just wanted to point out to him that it was not necessarily the content of his post or the fact that he is a newb to the forum that irked some people.

Also hi Evvie I have missed you

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I think you got some of the replies you did because questions like this get real old real fast. Being (mostly) young, female, and in the adult entertainment industry means we are frequently treated like "dumb whores" who can't take care of ourselves. Questions like this just feel insulting because, frankly, you are just pointing out the obvious. It's a bit like going to a carpentry forum and asking why they use power tools when they run risks like cutting their fingers off. It doesn't matter if you are trying the be helpful, because the implication is that they are too stupid to have thougth about those risks even though it is their job.

I have to go both ways on this.

Lily is totally right. Many times, we are treated like we are stupid children simply due to the fact that most of us are young, female, and attractive.

I agree Camgirls get more than than their fair share of unsolicited advice for exactly those reasons.

ACF is online community. In every single online community I’ve been part of, be it on a forum, a chat room, Facebook, or twitter.. anytime producers and consumers get together one thing always happens. The customer tell the suppliers, exactly what they like and hate about the product or service and give tons of suggestion about how to make it better. It doesn’t matter if the forum is on: a TV show, a computer game, iPhone Apps, sports teams, Playboy,cars, a book series or a band, a zillion suggestion threads are part of every forum. Another common element is that every forum includes quite a few people who seem to think that because they’ve watched a tv show, changed the oil on their car, or played basketball in high school, that they are eminently qualified to make a hit show, the next wonder car, or win the NBA championship. Plenty of newbie introductions to a forum are posts where they start out giving advice. Now most of these folks are pretty delusional, although every once in a great while they are actually amazing talented with great ideas. Far more common are the obvious suggestions, scarier zombies, throw more passes to the all star receiver, better gas mileage etc. Now days almost all big companies and plenty of small companies hire social media managers etc to collect all this feedback and more importantly channel it.

Now camgirl may get more than their fair share of unsolicited advice, but I think zealous obsessive nature of fans (which is short for fanatics) of computer games and sports teams, rivals the suggestions received by cam girls.
What folks may not know is the reactions behind the scenes, by the people who get these mountain of suggestions. Front line customer reps, the TV shows writers, or the CEO. all engage in plenty of eye-rolling, mocking, and head shaking at how stupid/arrogant/or delusional people can be after reading their customers suggestions. There is also the occasional good idea, and along with the very reluctant “I guess we really need to change this" when customer feedback is overwhelming negative.

It is human to get defensive, annoyed, and just down right pissed off about being told how to your job. Most people have bosses who do this for them :angry4: , cam girls have customers and potential customers. I think it is just smart business to try and look at these suggestion in the spirit they are given. They are customers who care enough about you and your industry to try and help. Take a deep breath, and educate them on why their suggestion isn't likely to be implemented. Then by all means go vent, mock, ridicule, and eye roll, in the models forum, cause most guys aren't going to react as nicely as Matt. :twocents-02cents:

 

[AdmnMatt]

I don't have a problem with AdmMatt, in fact I think he's handled his first thread admirably. I just wanted to point out to him that it was not necessarily the content of his post or the fact that he is a newb to the forum that irked some people.

Please, call me Matt Thank you again for the positive feedback, when I first created the thread I was a little over-excited and more emotion than fact blurted onto the post. I even did do a brief search for similar threads, saw the 'Stolen Videos' one but didn't read into it, as I knew mine would be more direct (maybe a little too direct).

You can talk to me directly, I won't bite

 

[AdmnMatt]

I think it is just smart business to try and look at these suggestion in the spirit they are given. They are customers who care enough about you and your industry to try and help. Take a deep breath, and educate them on why their suggestion isn't likely to be implemented. Then by all means go vent, mock, ridicule, and eye roll, in the models forum, cause most guys aren't going to react as nicely as Matt. :twocents-02cents:

ray: This is reading between the lines in it's finest!! My intentions were only good and ever will be good, just occasionally very misconstrued, but that's life and a part of human interpretation. My whole MFC 'career' as you could call it, had been spent assisting models with their job, you name it I did it/helped them with it. :-D My faith has truly been restored in this forum, I'm very humbled :thumbleft:

 

[LaceyRoyce]

In the last 2 weeks i've had two models ask me to remove content that included them.

One of them was quitting camming, and going into a career that she was concerned about being seen. She had a LOT of content, sold cheaply and widely distributed.

The other was not quitting camming but was concerned for her future career and doesn't seem to see the same risk in camming.

I complied with both requests... but really, this thread is starting to make more and more sense. Both of these models knew ahead of time what careers they planned on getting into and what they were doing, before shooting with me. I am confused as to why they did this???

Both are/were members on this forum, so this isn't meant as a flame post. Just a .. are girls REALLY not thinking about this?? MAYBE im underestimating how much thought girls are putting into this.

 

[AdmnMatt]

In the last 2 weeks i've had two models ask me to remove content that included them.
I complied with both requests... but really, this thread is starting to make more and more sense.

My fellow ACF's members are starting to see this issue the same way I have been ray: If you come from a scenario where it's happened to you, or you know of someone who it has, THEN you'll see the light and begin to understand. What I noticed with a lot of model responses here, is that they suddenly became very defensive, which is an emotional response to not want to accept the potential truth behind the risks.

I'm fine with that, but that defensiveness soon turned to anger, as in 'How dare you make me think that my career choice has risks'

Edit: Oh and I saw that thread you referred me too, YUCK! Who does that?!

 

[Evvie]

In the last 2 weeks i've had two models ask me to remove content that included them.
I complied with both requests... but really, this thread is starting to make more and more sense.

My fellow ACF's members are starting to see this issue the same way I have been ray: If you come from a scenario where it's happened to you, or you know of someone who it has, THEN you'll see the light and begin to understand. What I noticed with a lot of model responses here, is that they suddenly became very defensive, which is an emotional response to not want to accept the potential truth behind the risks.

I'm fine with that, but that defensiveness soon turned to anger, as in 'How dare you make me think that my career choice has risks'

Edit: Oh and I saw that thread you referred me too, YUCK! Who does that?!

I like you, but no.

 

[Just Me]

In the last 2 weeks i've had two models ask me to remove content that included them.

One of them was quitting camming, and going into a career that she was concerned about being seen. She had a LOT of content, sold cheaply and widely distributed.

The other was not quitting camming but was concerned for her future career and doesn't seem to see the same risk in camming.

I complied with both requests... but really, this thread is starting to make more and more sense. Both of these models knew ahead of time what careers they planned on getting into and what they were doing, before shooting with me. I am confused as to why they did this???

Both are/were members on this forum, so this isn't meant as a flame post. Just a .. are girls REALLY not thinking about this?? MAYBE im underestimating how much thought girls are putting into this.

It is really not much different than criminals not considering the consequences of their actions. They think they will never get caught in most instances. Sometimes they think the risk is worth the reward. I am not comparing cam models to criminals, just the psychology is similar when it comes to really thinking about what might happen in the future. People, generally, do not consider the future consequences of current actions, especially if those future consequences can be negative but not felt for quite some time. Granted, some people are better than others at judging consequences, either from personal experience or others experiences. But we all do it, even if it is something as minor as choosing to eat that 2nd piece of cake knowing you will pay for it later. It appears to be a part of our psychology.

 

[AdmnMatt]

I like you, but no.

haha! I like you too, but care to elaborate then?

People, generally, do not consider the future consequences of current actions, especially if those future consequences can be negative but not felt for quite some time. Granted, some people are better than others at judging consequences, either from personal experience or others experiences.

Agreed! No ones perfect

 

[Evvie]

I like you, but no.

haha! I like you too, but care to elaborate then?

People, generally, do not consider the future consequences of current actions, especially if those future consequences can be negative but not felt for quite some time. Granted, some people are better than others at judging consequences, either from personal experience or others experiences.

Agreed! No ones perfect

Your argument is that the reason some ladies got immediately defensive is because they were afraid to face the repercussions of selling videos. However,

1. Many models agree that selling videos is less "dangerous" than simply being on cam at all, which I believe you acknowledged and agreed to. Therefore, it seems like everyone here agrees that the risks of selling videos are actually minimal, relative to live shows.

2. Emotional avoidance is not the only reason some women immediately showed irritation or defensiveness. Traditionally speaking, most models (myself included) have a knee-jerk "nope" reaction to members giving us generalized warnings or advice. For example, as it has been mentioned, some models get defensive because the post you made could be interpreted as condescending and patronizing.

3. Understanding an issue does not mean you cannot react defensively. Understanding does not remove emotions or upset. Many models perfectly understand the ramifications of what they are doing, but that does not make it pleasant to hear, "OMG HERE'S A REMINDER THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING CAN SCREW UP YOUR LIFE".

4. I think it is wise to assume that yes, some models may have gotten defensive because they don't like to encounter this issue. However, that does not mean they are avoiding reality or that they have not thought their choices through. There are many uncomfortable and unfortunate truths about camming, and just because we understand and accept them does not mean it makes us feel happy to have those issues brought up. So your original point (models get defensive because they can't face reality) I think is a little condescending, but a similar point (models get defensive because they understand this issue, and it is an inherently upsetting issue) I think is much more viable.

 

[Evvie]

Here's a quick metaphor that supports my point:

I am a smoker. I am an intelligent person (at the very least, I am not below-average). I have spent my entire life being inundated with warnings about smoking and the negative effects it can have on my body. When I was 20, I made the decision that the benefits of smoking a certain amount of cigarettes outweighed the medical implications of smoking that amount.

If someone walked up to me on the street and said, "Don't you know how bad those are for you? Don't you realize that you could destroy your life by smoking? You need to put more thought in to your actions!" I would say, "fuck you."

Why? It is not because I do not want to face the reality of what I am doing. I understand the reality perfectly. However, I would get angry because A) the person assumes I'm unintelligent or uneducated and I have not thought my choices through, and B) nobody likes to be reminded of the negative things they have decided to take upon themselves, even if they accept what they are doing is in part negative.

I think your post was helpful, because unlike cigarettes, most people don't understand some inherent dangers of camming. And a public forum is definitely the right place to post these thoughts. But I also definitely don't think a negative reaction to these threads denotes fear or denial.

 

[AdmnMatt]

1. Many models agree that selling videos is less "dangerous" than simply being on cam at all
2. Emotional avoidance is not the only reason some women immediately showed irritation or defensiveness.
3. Understanding an issue does not mean you cannot react defensively.
4. However, that does not mean they are avoiding reality or that they have not thought their choices through.

- Okay, so we've factored that the whole selling videos are at the lower end of the risk spectrum.
- Models don't appreciate members being condescending/patronizing (learnt the hard way)
- Model (or anyone) don't enjoy being reminded of the negative aspects of their life choices.
- There are better ways to get your views across without being condescending and that I need to work on my wording a little better. Maybe I should just get Evvie to spell check all my responses

If someone walked up to me on the street and said, "Don't you know how bad those are for you? Don't you realize that you could destroy your life by smoking? You need to put more thought in to your actions!" I would say, "fuck you."

I would most likely be this person..

I think your post was helpful, because unlike cigarettes, most people don't understand some inherent dangers of camming. But I also definitely don't think a negative reaction to these threads denotes fear or denial.

Videochat can be a very complex domain, there are a significant number of factors that need to be taken into consideration, rather than a blatant one person view of 'I'm right, do it my way or the highway' Everyone reacts to different things differently, and views the argument from every angle.

Again, very much appreciate the input