Why PETA will always be a joke to me

[Jessi]

:? jeebuz.

The frozen raw diets are probably the best thing for them

I'm curious where you got that information from?

I know the Inuit's diet is high in protein and very high in fat – in their traditional diets (whales, walrus, caribou and seal) Inuit consume an average of 75% of their daily energy intake from fat but it's mostly eaten raw while frozen and they have little to no health issues compared to the rest of the world. A sled dog's diet is very similar consisting of about 50% fat, 15% carbohydrates, and 35% proteins.

I have a cat so thats where Ive done my research, I don't know much about dogs. The frozen raw diets are the highest concentration of meat protein with the lowest amounts of fillers. I'm not talking about just picking up steak from the grocer, you'd get these from your vet or food supplier. they also have vitamins and stuff added to them to balance out nutritionally, so your critters get everything they need (for example cats need a lot of taurine and fat) so every batch is the same. This is based off doing my own research before choosing to adopt, and talking with my vet. There's nothing wrong with a high quality dry food, its a good second to the raw or wet diet and might be a bit easier on the wallet. A lot of vets recommend combining kibble and wet or raw. Here's a good comparison between protein concentration in dry and wet food, and why the label can make it hard to compare: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing- ... tter-basis. This method can also apply to cat food since its standardized (at least in Canada).

 

[JickyJuly]

In a statement, Berman added that PETA has a $37 million dollar annual budget.

Such a bummer. That $ could do so much good in the right hands. We should all band together start an internet pervs home for wayward beasties. :dance:

 

[Jessi]

I would totally participate in a porn-for-pets fundraising campaign. We could sell dirty calendars or compilation DVDs or raffle tickets for a goodie basket and donate the proceeds to a large no-kill shelter.

 

[Bocefish]

lolz, that's another thing petards hate... pets. Did you notice they refer to pets as animal companions? Pets are not on the same level as animal companions and humans for some reason. Those morons are really touched in the head.

A buddy just sent me the following article from California. I believe California's legislature has a bit more to worry about than this, but it shows how far out of touch with reality some animal rights activists are. Every Fish & Wildlife officer goes to school and training to do their job because he or she deeply cares about wildlife, the environment, every species' well being and their future. Be sure to check out the comments too.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_20041625? ... 0a2629ce48

 

[Jupiter551]

dogs can and do live on a wide variety of non-carniverous food in the wild, and should have such as part of their diet domesticated, but cats particularly are pure carnivores. Trying to do something unhealthy for them to promote animal welfare is really weird thinking lol.

The guy who shot the mountain lion should step down - apart from the act of shooting a magnificent wild creature (which I think is in itself deplorable) he showed terrible judgement toward his professional position.

 

[Bocefish]

The guy who shot the mountain lion should step down - apart from the act of shooting a magnificent wild creature (which I think is in itself deplorable) he showed terrible judgement toward his professional position.

How is it terrible judgement toward his profession?

It sounds to me your opinion is more emotional than based on knowledge or fact.

 

[Jupiter551]

The guy who shot the mountain lion should step down - apart from the act of shooting a magnificent wild creature (which I think is in itself deplorable) he showed terrible judgement toward his professional position.

How is it terrible judgement toward his profession?

It sounds to me your opinion is more emotional than based on knowledge or fact.

It's terrible judgement because he's responsible for enforcing laws relating to hunting and wildlife in California. He went to another state to do something that in California is illegal, and publicised it. If you think that's not terrible judgement for a high ranking public servant well...it is. It's thumbing your nose at the people who employ him, and showing disdain for the laws supported by the Californian public, for whom he works. It's terrible PR, and colossaly embarassing for his organisation.

Regardless of whatever laws he didn't break on his personal time, no organisation is going to put up with the embarassment of having the top level employee publicly snubbing the laws he's meant to stand for.

Even one of the above things constitutes terrible professional judgement, as far as wildlife conservation and public service goes, he's pretty much just nosedived his career.

 

[Bocefish]

The guy who shot the mountain lion should step down - apart from the act of shooting a magnificent wild creature (which I think is in itself deplorable) he showed terrible judgement toward his professional position.

How is it terrible judgement toward his profession?

It sounds to me your opinion is more emotional than based on knowledge or fact.

It's terrible judgement because he's responsible for enforcing laws relating to hunting and wildlife in California. He went to another state to do something that in California is illegal, and publicised it. If you think that's not terrible judgement for a high ranking public servant well...it is. It's thumbing your nose at the people who employ him, and showing disdain for the laws supported by the Californian public, for whom he works. It's terrible PR, and colossaly embarassing for his organisation.

Regardless of whatever laws he didn't break on his personal time, no organisation is going to put up with the embarassment of having the top level employee publicly snubbing the laws he's meant to stand for.

Even one of the above things constitutes terrible professional judgement, as far as wildlife conservation and public service goes, he's pretty much just nosedived his career.

So... if I work to restore a native species of fish or wildlife in my state, but go to another state or country to legally fish or hunt for the exact same species, I'm somehow delinquent in my efforts?

 

[Jupiter551]

So... if I work to restore a native species of fish or wildlife in my state, but go to another state or country to legally fish or hunt for the exact same species, I'm somehow delinquent in my efforts?

If you're a high ranking public official fuck yes! Same would apply to any public official who went out of state or nation to perform an act that his job specifically was required to enforce against.

What if the police commissioner cracked down hard on prostitution, went across the border to mexico, had sex with a dozen hookers and a donkey, then proudly posted the pictures around, they came to the attention of the Governor's office - do you think he'd stay in office? Fuck no, he's an embarassment and makes the department he represent look like hypocrits.

Why would they employ someone to enforce a law that they publicly flaunt by switching jurisdiction?

Further, he's shown a blatant lack of regard for the beliefs of the Californian public that he serves. What his beliefs are privately are moot, publicly any law enforcement officer is expected to uphold the laws they enforce - no matter what jurisdiction they're currently in.

His career is toast, and he's a bloody idiot. Like it or not when you're a high level member of any organisation anything you do publicly, especially things that are relevant to your company/department, reflects on them. Welcome to the real world...

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I call bullshit! One, nice going to extremes by comparing fishing for the same fish in another state that you're trying to preserve in your own to prostitution and donkey fucking. Secondly that's like saying all Doctors who smoke are an embarrassment to their profession and should be ashamed of themselves yadda yadda yadda.

In your state the population for said fish or species may need preserving because there is only so many left WHILE in another state they may have more than enough of said species or too much and your catching said animal could either do no harm or actually be helpful.

 

[Jupiter551]

Yeah right, well there are two issues here - one being that he publicly embarassed his own employer, probably irrepairably unless they fire him.

The second being; there are a lot of people suddenly asking themselves if the person they want in charge of wildlife conservation is the kind of person who thinks it's "fun" to kill mountain lions on vacation.

 

[Jupiter551]

Secondly that's like saying all Doctors who smoke are an embarrassment to their profession and should be ashamed of themselves yadda yadda yadda.

No, more specifically it's like the head of an anti-drug lobby group (ie someone paid to promote a specific stance against something that is also illegal) going across a border to partake in drugs legally.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Like Boce said, it feels like your reaction is more emotional than anything. how dare he kill such a majestic creature, it's like he killed the last unicorn.

 

[Jupiter551]

Oh I'll admit that the thought of someone killing animals for fun disgusts me, but the fact this has turned into a media frenzy also indicates he just fucked up big, career-wise.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

And that it's a slow news week. What makes the mountain lion's life any more sacred than the live lobster that gets boiled alive before eating it? Or a spider you just crushed for your girlfriend? Oh but that's different lobsters are ugly and spiders are just scaaaaaaary.

I don't hunt but that's out of laziness and needing instant gratification instead of sitting around for 12 hours in hopes something shows up for me to shoot, I cut out the middle man and just go buy the food someone else killed for me.

 

[Bocefish]

Oh I'll admit that the thought of someone killing animals for fun disgusts me, but the fact this has turned into a media frenzy also indicates he just fucked up big, career-wise.

That's the fact, eh? A media frenzy? The media is a joke!

Have you ever seen a pack of wolves hamstring a herd of caribou just because they are territorial, then leave them to suffer and die a cruel death? Have you ever seen wolves hamstring moose for the the fun of it? Have you ever seen a cat (large or small) play with their prey to the point of bravado?

Fish and Wildlife officers are first and foremost conservation driven. The FACT is, this conservation officer did NOTHING wrong.

 

[Jupiter551]

Well he's on a board that decides which animals and how many should be legally hunted in California, since he's obviously pro-hunting, is it any wonder there have been calls for him to step down? Seriously?

The difference, if you want to point out a difference, is that unlike the spider which came into your territory and in some cases may be potentially dangerous, and the lobster that is being killed for food, is that the lion was killed for nothing more than fun.

Maybe you don't like cats, maybe you don't like animals at all - I don't know. Speaking for myself, the idea of going and murdering (yes, murdering) a thinking, feeling creature for nothing more than one's own enjoyment is *disgusting*.

 

[Jupiter551]

Oh I'll admit that the thought of someone killing animals for fun disgusts me, but the fact this has turned into a media frenzy also indicates he just fucked up big, career-wise.

That's the fact, eh? A media frenzy? The media is a joke!

Have you ever seen a pack of wolves hamstring a herd of caribou just because they are territorial, then leave them to suffer and die a cruel death? Have you ever seen wolves hamstring moose for the the fun of it? Have you ever seen a cat (large or small) play with their prey to the point of bravado?

Fish and Wildlife officers are first and foremost conservation driven. The FACT is, this conservation officer did NOTHING wrong.

Fine, maybe the media is a joke, but the fact remains that a majority of the legislative assembly has asked him to step down because regardless of his conservation efforts, he isn't fit to be a member of a board that decides issues that are crucially sensitive to hunting - they overwhelmingly don't trust him to be impartial, and a lot of people agree.

By the way, what's this got to do with PETA? Or are you trying to claim that people who disagree with recreational hunting are likewise crazy activists?

 

[Bocefish]

Fine, maybe the media is a joke, but the fact remains that a majority of the legislative assembly has asked him to step down because regardless of his conservation efforts, he isn't fit to be a member of a board that decides issues that are crucially sensitive to hunting - they overwhelmingly don't trust him to be impartial, and a lot of people agree.

crucially sensitive to hunting

The majority of ignoramuses asked him to step down? :lol:

 

[Jupiter551]

Fine, maybe the media is a joke, but the fact remains that a majority of the legislative assembly has asked him to step down because regardless of his conservation efforts, he isn't fit to be a member of a board that decides issues that are crucially sensitive to hunting - they overwhelmingly don't trust him to be impartial, and a lot of people agree.

The majority of ignoramuses asked him to step down? :lol:

So someone's an ignoramus if they think a hunter is the last person who should be deciding which animals are endangered?

 

[Bocefish]

Fine, maybe the media is a joke, but the fact remains that a majority of the legislative assembly has asked him to step down because regardless of his conservation efforts, he isn't fit to be a member of a board that decides issues that are crucially sensitive to hunting - they overwhelmingly don't trust him to be impartial, and a lot of people agree.

The majority of ignoramuses asked him to step down? :lol:

So someone's an ignoramus if they think a hunter is the last person who should be deciding which animals are endangered?

Pumas, cougars, black panthers... My favorite pool stick has a black panther painted on it. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Jupiter551]

Pumas, cougars, black panthers... My favorite pool stick has a black panther painted on it. Ignorance is bliss.

Yeah, I'm sure the guy would have loved to run across a melanistic cougar because clearly, the only thing more rewarding than snuffing the life out of something beautiful (at a heroic distance of about a half a mile with a high powered rifle) is snuffing the life out of something beautiful and RARE, right?

 

[JickyJuly]

lobsters are ugly

In the spirit of interrupting jump on Jup day, I will point out that lobsters are actually pretty cute when they aren't being slathered in butter and snarfed down by humans. But then, I spent my wee years watching Fraggle Rock with my pet tarantula Charlie (who I also thought was cute plus snuggleworthy).

 

[Jupiter551]

boce would hunt doozers if he could

 

[Bocefish]

boce would hunt doozers if he could

Been there and done that... ethically consistent with animal rights philosophy, that is.

 

[Jupiter551]

well I will never understand how hunting and killing a living creature for sport has anything to do with ethics or animal rights. It's barbaric.

 

[Bocefish]

well I will never understand how hunting and killing a living creature for sport has anything to do with ethics or animal rights. It's barbaric.

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[LadyLuna]

Do we know he did this purely for fun?

It was stated that Idaho has problems with the mountain lion population, as in, they have too many of them. Now, I don't know about you, but I think there's a chance that Idaho officials, knowing he was a good hunter, called him in to deal with a mountain lion that was being particularly disruptive, possibly even a man-killer. Why the photograph? Maybe those same officials wanted to be sure he got the right one.

The only thing I know is that the article stated he killed a mountain lion in Idaho where it's legal for population control issues. It didn't tell me why he killed it. Is it a crime to enjoy hunting? Humans are by nature hunters. I don't see a problem with him enjoying the act of hunting another creature.

 

[Jupiter551]

Do we know he did this purely for fun?

It was on a ranch where they raise animals to be hunted - they charge big money for this sort of "adventure".

I don't see a problem with him enjoying the act of hunting another creature.

Yeah, because his enjoyment of killing something is more important than its right to life. You really think human enjoyment is worth more than animal life? That's really sick.

 

[Jupiter551]

well I will never understand how hunting and killing a living creature for sport has anything to do with ethics or animal rights. It's barbaric.

http://www.dickproenneke.com/

Oh wow, did you narrate that? I'd love to listen to your album, the "fuck you" expression on your face on the cover really goes with the title