Would a model be interested in also selling amateur videos?

[jasonp]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

That's precisely why Bitcoin is more valuable than gold.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dude, I realize you are a bitcoin proponent...but c'mon.

Currently, it is viewed more as a Ponzi scheme, than a Buffett-type investment (or currency) Nothing you say can change that fact. Maybe in the future, it may change, but it will be a while before that change occurs. Good luck, though.

Uhm, well, nothing I can say - yes. But it's definitely not viewed as a ponzi scheme anymore (maybe a year ago). Even Bitcoin skeptics, like Paul Krugman, who is a Keynesian economist and despises deflation, don't say that Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. He just thinks economy cannot run on Bitcoin because poor people are gonna be out of jobs and will starve to death, etc. But that's an entirely different matter with which I disagree, because I'm not a Keynesian. Anyway, look at what the business people are saying (Bitcoin's been on Bloomberg for quite a while now): it's a risky investment but a one to be considered. Keep in mind they don't quite understand the technology behind it. If they did, they would be much more accepting.

My point is this: you can't just go out and call Bitcoin a ponzi scheme because you don't understand it and it's not yet widely accepted. You have to argue and prove.

 

[Jessi]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

My point is this: you can't just go out and call Bitcoin a ponzi scheme because you don't understand it and it's not yet widely accepted. You have to argue and prove.

I dont think Schlmoe is saying it *is* he's just pointing out the fact that there are a lot of people who still think it is or who are wary of it.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

Jason - you're not understanding the point. YOu're just arguing about bitcoins.

The very fact that you are on a forum arguing about bitcoin shows that this idea of a site run on BITCOINS is unlikely to go well.

Bitcoins could be the MOST AMAZING, SECURE, AWESOME thing ever...

public perception and ease of understanding is what matters. And until bitcoin has developed that, or unless you have a huge group of current bitcoin users who are content producers or wish to be, and another pool of current bitcoin users content buyers - your site can't get off the ground.

You're talking about converting a customer or producer who is COMFORTABLE with their safe, easy to use and high traffic sites to a NEW SITE (scary!) as well as a NEW FORM OF CURRENCY...

I might be willing to try a new form of currency if it was being offered by an already trusted, high traffic site.
I might be willing to try a low traffic new site if it was offering a NORMAL currency.

But asking people to make TWO leaps of faith is a VERY hard sell.

You could be right about bitcoin and we could all be wrong. It doesnt matter. PUBLIC PERCEPTION matters.. if public perception of bitcoin was GOOD then you wouldnt find yourself arguing in its defence here.

 

[schlmoe]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

Uhm, well, nothing I can say - yes. But it's definitely not viewed as a ponzi scheme anymore (maybe a year ago). Even Bitcoin skeptics, like Paul Krugman, who is a Keynesian economist and despises deflation, don't say that Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. He just thinks economy cannot run on Bitcoin because poor people are gonna be out of jobs and will starve to death, etc. But that's an entirely different matter with which I disagree, because I'm not a Keynesian. Anyway, look at what the business people are saying (Bitcoin's been on Bloomberg for quite a while now): it's a risky investment but a one to be considered. Keep in mind they don't quite understand the technology behind it. If they did, they would be much more accepting.

My point is this: you can't just go out and call Bitcoin a ponzi scheme because you don't understand it and it's not yet widely accepted. You have to argue and prove.

Uhm, well...I didn't call it a Ponzi scheme, I said

it is viewed more as a Ponzi scheme, than a Buffett-type investment (or currency)

You are getting so defensive, your reading skills are failing you. I'm not going to argue/debate this bitcoin issue with you. In fact, there have been multiple threads on this forum on new bitcoin businesses. Maybe instead of rehashing old arguments, you should go see how those ventures are doing. Actually, you probably should be focusing on your business venture as a whole, rather than debating the virtues of bitcoin. You are a bitcoin advocate/proponent? Great! Point people to objective information, and concentrate on gaining clients/customers. Maybe Paul Krugman will join! :mrgreen:

Again, good luck on your venture!

 

[jasonp]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

You could be right about bitcoin and we could all be wrong. It doesnt matter. PUBLIC PERCEPTION matters.. if public perception of bitcoin was GOOD then you wouldnt find yourself arguing in its defence here.

Fair enough, point taken.

 

[Jessi]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

My point is this: you can't just go out and call Bitcoin a ponzi scheme because you don't understand it and it's not yet widely accepted. You have to argue and prove.

I dont think Schlmoe is saying it *is* he's just pointing out the fact that there are a lot of people who still think it is or who are wary of it.

Since you asked for help,

You should try putting your proposal into a formal treatment:
http://sbinformation.about.com/od/bizle ... oposal.htm
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... cle557660/
Make it very available to anyone who asks. If you aren't at the stage where you have all this information, then asking people to join in or partner is waaay ahead of the game. Make your proposal, get someone on board, then revise it together.

Consider taking an entrepreneurship or business admin course. You need more than just the tech skills for this.
And providing a link to your portfolio or resume.
:twocents-02cents:
Since this is such a iffy thing, you should be making yourself look as professional and legit as possible.

Miss lolipop hit the nail on the head.
Keep in mind who you are targeting here:

1) Camgirls: Smart, hardworking girls who are good at camming or clip making are a very cautious group of people
2) Customers: Can be a pretty cautious group as well , and they have something that seems to be working for them

Its all well and good if you can convince them that bitcoins are safe and worthwhile, but you shouldnt be in a position that you're fighting to convince people your product is safe and worthwhile.
This is why I was suggesting you should wait until bitcoin is more widely accepted by average Joe and Jane Blow.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

Jason - you're not understanding the point. YOu're just arguing about bitcoins.

The very fact that you are on a forum arguing about bitcoin shows that this idea of a site run on BITCOINS is unlikely to go well.

Bitcoins could be the MOST AMAZING, SECURE, AWESOME thing ever...

public perception and ease of understanding is what matters. And until bitcoin has developed that, or unless you have a huge group of current bitcoin users who are content producers or wish to be, and another pool of current bitcoin users content buyers - your site can't get off the ground.

You're talking about converting a customer or producer who is COMFORTABLE with their safe, easy to use and high traffic sites to a NEW SITE (scary!) as well as a NEW FORM OF CURRENCY...

I might be willing to try a new form of currency if it was being offered by an already trusted, high traffic site.
I might be willing to try a low traffic new site if it was offering a NORMAL currency.

But asking people to make TWO leaps of faith is a VERY hard sell.

You could be right about bitcoin and we could all be wrong. It doesnt matter. PUBLIC PERCEPTION matters.. if public perception of bitcoin was GOOD then you wouldnt find yourself arguing in its defence here.

 

[CallMeWilliam]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

My point is this: you can't just go out and call Bitcoin a ponzi scheme because you don't understand it and it's not yet widely accepted. You have to argue and prove.

You clearly don't understand the internet then....

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

What happened to the dudes that came here talking bout bitcoin camsites? Did they finally realize that a lot of the bitcoin users aren't really interested in adult pornography? Thailand recently banned bitcoin. Maybe my work and schooling has skewed my view of bitcoin but I personally would not want to be associated with it right now. I would still like to wish you luck in your future endeavors Jason. This pic still amuses me after all these years.

 

[Jessi]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

Some serious market research is needed here Make sure you include that in your proposal.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

I think it's an interesting idea. As far as I know, nothing comparable currently exists.

I could see it being used as an option for someone who doesn't want a paper trail documenting their smut habit. I don't know how many people would be comfortable using bitcoin, but then, anyone who cares that much about their privacy might already be using it. That's probably your main market: pre-existing bitcoin users.

I think there's a potential problem in the sort of videos you would attract. Operating outside of Visa/Mastercard content restrictions gives you an edge, but those content restrictions are also what keep content producers on the clean side of the law (sort of). If you end up attracting users looking for content that's too deranged for CCBill, you might have to choose between making money and staying legal.

That said, I could also see this site attracting users who just don't like having porn on their credit card statements. Or maybe a subset of users: users who don't like porn on their statements and aren't weirded out by bitcoin.

I'm sort of curious to see how it plays out.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

Thanks everyone for your replies again.
Was very useful. I think I realized I shouldn't be trying to get professional cam models at this moment, since you guys have a serious stake in the business and will not be willing to try something new and seemingly more risky, like selling for Bitcoin.

So maybe I should try to seek people who are amateurs, who would be willing to make an extra buck and don't mind receiving it in Bitcoin. Can you guys help me figure out where these people might possibly be online? Any ideas where should I start?

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And the wild fluctuations don't matter, of course, because, again, you can transfer money into your bank account almost instantly.

If you primary focus is I want to build a business around bitcoins, as opposed to "I want to build a hosting site for webcam model that also accepts bitcoins" then as the this thread shows you are going after the wrong business. I should also point that minority of members care about where files are hosted, because we have been burned with malware, or very aggravating experiences with Captcha etc. on some hosting sites. A new site always make me hesitant to buy videos from a model.

While in theory you can "almost instantly convert bitcoins to dollars" in practice this is conversion is going to happen on a monthly or best case daily basis, thus exposing the models to wide currency swings, in one day the price of bitcoins dropped 61% on April 10th. I think you need to understand that the scary thing about camming is that the income is highly variable even top models will have one day were they make 100 tokens and another day were they make 10,000. Adding even more variability to to their income is very undesirable.

If I was going to start a bitcoin business. I'd focus on something like a bitcoin poker site. Online poker remains illegal in the US, so getting money to a from a poker site is a bitch. Bitcoins solve that and since poker players by nature are gamblers the additional entertainment of wildly fluctuating bitcoin prices is a mostly a feature not a bug.

 

[Just Me]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

That's precisely why Bitcoin is more valuable than gold.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dude, I realize you are a bitcoin proponent...but c'mon.

Currently, it is viewed more as a Ponzi scheme, than a Buffett-type investment (or currency) Nothing you say can change that fact. Maybe in the future, it may change, but it will be a while before that change occurs. Good luck, though.

Uhm, well, nothing I can say - yes. But it's definitely not viewed as a ponzi scheme anymore (maybe a year ago). Even Bitcoin skeptics, like Paul Krugman, who is a Keynesian economist and despises deflation, don't say that Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. He just thinks economy cannot run on Bitcoin because poor people are gonna be out of jobs and will starve to death, etc. But that's an entirely different matter with which I disagree, because I'm not a Keynesian. Anyway, look at what the business people are saying (Bitcoin's been on Bloomberg for quite a while now): it's a risky investment but a one to be considered. Keep in mind they don't quite understand the technology behind it. If they did, they would be much more accepting.

My point is this: you can't just go out and call Bitcoin a ponzi scheme because you don't understand it and it's not yet widely accepted. You have to argue and prove.

We really do not need to prove anything. You are making the claims that Bitcoin is the second coming of the almighty dollar. It is up to you to back up your claims.

Bitcoin is a fantasy. The Internet’s currency—a secure, private, decentralized type of money that makes possible anonymous and virtually costless transactions across borders—contains the seeds of its own destruction. More than anything else, it resembles a Ponzi scheme—and the wild claims made on its behalf reveal a great deal about a libertarian strain of thinking with deep roots in the American psyche.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...heme_the_internet_currency_will_collapse.html

 

[LadyLuna]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

If I'm understanding correctly, you would be marketing to people who already use bitcoins and have expressed an interest in using them to buy porn. Am I right?

If this is your plan, then the question is- how many people have actually expressed an interest in this? If it's around a hundred, then it probably won't get very far. It takes a thousand customers per model for the models to make enough of an income for it to be worth more than a few hours a month.

Personally, I would be willing to add it to my uploads list, except for the problem of I have three content sites where I've fallen behind in uploading stuff, and I still have to get into the hang of making a couple new videos per month for my main content site, because most of my time is spent with the live-stream camming. I'm not all that bothered with the fluctuations in something that would essentially be a side-income, and a mostly-passive one at that.

 

[Jessi]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

even top models will have one day were they make 100 tokens and another day were they make 10,000. Adding even more variability to to their income is very undesirable.

Quoting because this is such a great point.

While annually, my income looks decent, in practice its all over the damn place. Camming can be scary sometimes, and while it might be nice to cash out when bitcoin is high, I dont want to imagine being in a position where I need to cash out, but being scared to because the value is lower.

If the payment were automatic and on a regular basis (like MFC and SM do) then fluctuations in bitcoin could be upsetting. Id hate to make 100,000 tokens in January, and have it be worth 5,000$ then the next month make 100,000 tokens and have it be worth $4,500.

Its looking more and more like this is too soon to use bitcoin for.

 

[Shaun__]

Re: Would a model be interested in also selling amateur vide

While annually, my income looks decent, in practice its all over the damn place. Camming can be scary sometimes,

I have always thought that camming is a scary thing to do, and that models are much braver than I am.