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I'm guessing/hoping many models don't feel the same as this model who was interviewed. I mean:
A lot of us do care - not to the extent of something extreme, but a lot of us people are genuinely nice human beings. We're just also wanting some fun. I am sure many of you can understand, appreciate and agree to that, right?
I do agree with this though:
Sadly, you see this far too much. They do it for their own means/gains/ends. Some of you though are very lucky to have the nice guys/ladies who DO care and are looking out for you. I do, I truly truly do. Never wanted or asked for anything in return from any ladies who ever make me mod . But obviously you have those that try exploit it on the new cam models or inexperienced, or heck, the ones that don't speak English well. In fact I will tell a short story/example:
A model I am a moderator for, I was unable to see her for a few days (all other times until this point, I had been with her most days because our schedules synced great). It seemed during this time, one guy took it upon himself to convince her to make him mod by saying (in PM) that he would get her more viewers. Sounds ok right? But he was giving her directions on positions to take, things to do etc like that which as most of us will know it's for HIS wants/needs/desires/fantasies. She even pasted the conversation from PM to me because I came on later that day she had appointed him. I was livid and tried explaining to her what he was doing (and whilst she truly trusted me, she didn't understand). Some notes: She is a really friendly, nice and caring and trusting woman. She loves to chat to colours and greys alike. Although camming is her job with a studio, she is also a trainee nurse (so she is also smart too!). She had lots of PMs etc going on, so eventually I gave up for that night and then we ended up video chatting on facebook, where I could explain to her fully what was happening. Luckily she saw/understood finally, and got rid of him. I think at first she thought I was being a jealous mod (for about 4 months I had been her only one).
I am sure you all know this type of grey person that goes round doing that, and also similar the beggar ones "make me mod" and posting all those images: they are there for THEIR OWN needs, not the models. Unfortunately many models don't understand this, and CB need to do something to help protect them from these guys.
A lot of us do care - not to the extent of something extreme, but a lot of us people are genuinely nice human beings. We're just also wanting some fun. I am sure many of you can understand, appreciate and agree to that, right?
I do agree with this though:
Sadly, you see this far too much. They do it for their own means/gains/ends. Some of you though are very lucky to have the nice guys/ladies who DO care and are looking out for you. I do, I truly truly do. Never wanted or asked for anything in return from any ladies who ever make me mod . But obviously you have those that try exploit it on the new cam models or inexperienced, or heck, the ones that don't speak English well. In fact I will tell a short story/example:
A model I am a moderator for, I was unable to see her for a few days (all other times until this point, I had been with her most days because our schedules synced great). It seemed during this time, one guy took it upon himself to convince her to make him mod by saying (in PM) that he would get her more viewers. Sounds ok right? But he was giving her directions on positions to take, things to do etc like that which as most of us will know it's for HIS wants/needs/desires/fantasies. She even pasted the conversation from PM to me because I came on later that day she had appointed him. I was livid and tried explaining to her what he was doing (and whilst she truly trusted me, she didn't understand). Some notes: She is a really friendly, nice and caring and trusting woman. She loves to chat to colours and greys alike. Although camming is her job with a studio, she is also a trainee nurse (so she is also smart too!). She had lots of PMs etc going on, so eventually I gave up for that night and then we ended up video chatting on facebook, where I could explain to her fully what was happening. Luckily she saw/understood finally, and got rid of him. I think at first she thought I was being a jealous mod (for about 4 months I had been her only one).
I am sure you all know this type of grey person that goes round doing that, and also similar the beggar ones "make me mod" and posting all those images: they are there for THEIR OWN needs, not the models. Unfortunately many models don't understand this, and CB need to do something to help protect them from these guys.
Why does the vanilla press portray camgirls as victims of constant online hell?
Articles like these can only be written so long as Chaturbate exists. At no point reading that did I think to myself, "If they used a different camsite most of these problems go away". Chaturbate's main problem IS too many followers and people. When I hear CB models talking about their follower numbers it feels like they're actually praising their freeloaders, "Yay three guys tipped me but what's more important is the 3000 other people that just are freeloading and doing nothing for me, let's celebrate that for a bit". The need for mods and bots are masking the freeloader issue. CB maybe has the largest client audience of other sites but the lowest conversion rate to paying members. If I was a model asking CB to do ANYTHING it would be to things to help address the conversion rate issue. SM by contrast has an incredibly high conversion rate hence why models make more model often even considering the very low cut.
The articles begins with this tone that models are there for fun so long as they don't get caught to finally mentioning it's a business at the end. This is the bulk of the problem. Most the problems mentioned you hear when the model forgets it's business from start to finish.
tl;dr CB's conversion problems create other issues for the models.
The articles begins with this tone that models are there for fun so long as they don't get caught to finally mentioning it's a business at the end. This is the bulk of the problem. Most the problems mentioned you hear when the model forgets it's business from start to finish.
tl;dr CB's conversion problems create other issues for the models.
This article doesn't really protray models as victims however most the drama to write about concerning transactional systems like camsites involve people that try to cheat or bypass the system. I simply wouldn't have anything to write about if both the models and members in the room are all following the rules.
Why is CB's rate of paying members so low? The reason why I haven't upgraded to premium yet is because so few of the models don't use Lovense in their shows and I'm always logged out when I visit a room.
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Did the writer actually reach out to any models on the forum? I feel like we would have heard about it.
They should have gave @AmberCutie a heads up before publishing.
I think the heart of the problem is the conversion rate much like SMuser69 states. I touched on this in an earlier thread when talking about how models are given a platform/outlet to work from, but no real tools to properly manage it.
A lot of users subconsciously react to what I call the "signal to noise" ratio in any given room. How can a model effectively manage a room so as to be able to interact with hundreds or thousands of people in it? It's simple, they can't. The best they can do is to pay attention to those who are actively tipping. I also think that the Freemium monetization scheme has hit a peak as people realize that more and more freeloaders are getting benefits from their spending. Meanwhile, the struggles of the model's continues. SM with it's privates setup is probably the best thing going for models as a camming outlet at this point.
A lot of users subconsciously react to what I call the "signal to noise" ratio in any given room. How can a model effectively manage a room so as to be able to interact with hundreds or thousands of people in it? It's simple, they can't. The best they can do is to pay attention to those who are actively tipping. I also think that the Freemium monetization scheme has hit a peak as people realize that more and more freeloaders are getting benefits from their spending. Meanwhile, the struggles of the model's continues. SM with it's privates setup is probably the best thing going for models as a camming outlet at this point.
I'll give the answer nobody wants to hear. Why do they need to? I'll cut to the chase since I know you're next question is who's fault is that. That answer is very mixed. Some of it has to do with CB's format the other is on models giving reasons for people to pay.
I will give my opinion of the main reason for both the site and the models.
Models praise freeloader(follower) numbers over their paying regulars. Room count is praising freeloading and this is a common habit CB models seem to have (this from reasons often giving to Punker Barbie as to why they should be unbanned) and don't understand how it potentially takes away from praising their paying members. Praising the high tip should be above how many people are in the room total.
The site itself allows the same benefits to unregistered users as registered but non paying members. This is wrong because it creates no incentive for someone to even register in the first place. SM for instance doesn't allow preview thumbnails and has a 3min rule when viewing models without making an account first. The 3 min rule also remains in place until a member has paid money for a pvt. These basic thing give incentives to being an paying SM member the incentives further increase the more you go up the member tiers till you reach level 10.
Ambercutie is a safer space than my 12 year old nephew's Facebook , and it sure as hell has less predatory villains.
They only reason why I found out about the article was because I have the word "camgirls" in my Google Alerts for news.
Ms_Gingersnatch
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I'm not on CB, but I think this has a lot to do with the CB placement algorithm, which as I understand it, is based almost entirely on room count.
On pretty much any site, the best way to make more money is to get to the top of the first page. On a site like SM, one of the biggest factors in getting to the top is making the most $/hour. So if you want to do well on the site, you need to do a lot of privates or successful gold shows - in other words, you need to focus on making money if you want good placement so you can make more money. Your main focus is on the guys spending money. If a guy wants the best possible experience, he needs to spend.
On a site like MFC, the camscore is also based on tokens/hour. If you want to make it to the top, you need to find ways to get a lot of tokens coming in quickly. To do so, you need to incentivize tipping by giving the biggest rewards to your best tippers and not doing shit for free. Again, the model should be focusing primarily on the spenders, and the guys that spend money will get the best experience.
On CB, the best way to rise to the top of the page is to have a ton of people in your room, whether or not they spend anything on you. If you can just get a bunch of people in your room, then your placement will go up, and you'll naturally get even more people in your room. You could rise to the top of the page based on room count without getting a single token. BUT if you can get good placement and plenty of viewers, there might be a whale among those thousands of guys, and then you'll get all the money (right?). And if you don't find a way to get tons of viewers, your placement will sink lower and lower, and you won't make anything. So how can you get a high room count really fast? Why not do a free anal gaping show complete with pyrotechnics? (EDIT: Not saying that CB models are doing that, nor that they should, but it stands to reason that it might be a viable strategy to improve placement on CB.)
In other words, a model on CB is incentivized to focus on viewers, not spenders. The guys respond to that by being viewers, not spenders.
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Sigh...
I am AmberCutie. This forum is AmberCutie's Forum (ACF). Some day, people will learn how to credit that. You don't "go to ambercutie" to post stuff. You go to her damn forum.
Totally amateur writer, here.
"I was on AmberCutie the other day and read xyz". No, no you were not ON ME. Dammit it's such a pet peeve.
I am AmberCutie. This forum is AmberCutie's Forum (ACF). Some day, people will learn how to credit that. You don't "go to ambercutie" to post stuff. You go to her damn forum.
Totally amateur writer, here.
"I was on AmberCutie the other day and read xyz". No, no you were not ON ME. Dammit it's such a pet peeve.
Maybe someone's tattooing forum threads on your back at night?
They used my quote! Although I don't recall them asking if they could do that. And they might have attributed that quote to someone on the other side of the camera. Still though, I'm practically famous.
Where was that number debunked? I could image the industry abroad could make that number pretty easy. Just a handful of models registered on this site you can hit 1 mill combined pretty easy and this site represents maybe less than 1% of camgirls. You add stripper, prostitutes, clothing and toys(Pretty sure Lovense loves camsites this year) just name a few things. Remember the number is about the net income of sex industry not the gross income.
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No one who gets paid by the minute thinks it's "creepy" for a member to talk about the weather while you're undressing.
Yes, bb.
Keep talking.
*undresses slower and thinks really hard about the weather before answering*
Seriously though... why would talking about mundane things while in various states of consensual undress be creepy? This girl might be in the wrong line of work.
Yes, bb.
Keep talking.
*undresses slower and thinks really hard about the weather before answering*
Seriously though... why would talking about mundane things while in various states of consensual undress be creepy? This girl might be in the wrong line of work.
I can see the sex industry to be 100 billion worldwide. $100 billion for porn seem too high. Sure there are probably a billion guys (guys spend 90% of the money on porn) who have access to internet porn. But with so much free porn available, I think only a small fraction of guy spend money. While there are guys especially on cam sites that spend $10,000 a year, I seriously doubt that the average spend is much more than $100-$200/year among guys who spend anything.
BTW: I think you mean gross revenue, net income is basically profit.
I don't think the girl has cammed it all. But considering how bad a writer she is, maybe should give camming a shot.
Ms_Gingersnatch
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This is irrational, but I don't like the way the writer talks down about our viewers. Yes, we make some of the exact same sarcastic remarks from time to time (although the weather complaint is new to me), but the viewers are for us to bitch about, not some snarky writer that doesn't cam. We earned those complaints, dammit!
I also feel rather defensive when articles/documentaries about us make it sound like our customers are such pervs. Yes, dear writer, they are, but mostly in pleasant ways, and you haven't even begun to plumb the depths of perversion, so stop acting like a snob about it. After all, you were the one that wanted to write about something edgy like sex work...
Otherwise, I'll give the writer kudos for at least picking a subject that is relevant and important to us and not entirely sensational.
I also feel rather defensive when articles/documentaries about us make it sound like our customers are such pervs. Yes, dear writer, they are, but mostly in pleasant ways, and you haven't even begun to plumb the depths of perversion, so stop acting like a snob about it. After all, you were the one that wanted to write about something edgy like sex work...
Otherwise, I'll give the writer kudos for at least picking a subject that is relevant and important to us and not entirely sensational.
dilligaf0
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YAY! I can say I was on AmberCutie several times a day.
No nothing irrational about your reaction. If you are going to write about "edgy topics", then you have to at least try to hide how creepy and gross you feel about folks involved in them. Her condescension drips from every paragraph.
I generally defend the media (e.g. Hot Girls wanted) when they try and cover camming. But this piece was awful and the writing (e.g. being on Ambercutie) was dreadful.
I'm writing on Amber Cutie. Willy. Bum. Fart. I'm writing rude words on Amber Cutie.
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Am I the only one who thinks there wasn't much substance to that article?
"Camgirls get uncomfortable sometimes. Some of their members are pervs. Oh no!"
Okay. And what about it? The one person they talked to, Jessica, didn't honestly sound like she was comfy camming in general. Talking about the weather is creepy? I mean, I guess if I think they'll try to use that info to find my location but it's not creepy in and of itself. A little off topic maybe, but no creepy.
I'll be honest though. Everytime they referred to this as "AmberCutie" I giggled. That's just poor research right there.
"Camgirls get uncomfortable sometimes. Some of their members are pervs. Oh no!"
Okay. And what about it? The one person they talked to, Jessica, didn't honestly sound like she was comfy camming in general. Talking about the weather is creepy? I mean, I guess if I think they'll try to use that info to find my location but it's not creepy in and of itself. A little off topic maybe, but no creepy.
I'll be honest though. Everytime they referred to this as "AmberCutie" I giggled. That's just poor research right there.
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