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Misono had the right of way until he took to Twitter DMs with the overly threatening text.
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Misono had the right of way until he took to Twitter DMs with the overly threatening text.
incase anyone is curious and to be fair: here is the model's side.
lol at that member complaint twitter. "it's the popular opinion of ACF..." I wasn't aware that under 20 people with an opinion makes it a popular one and the right one?
lol at that member complaint twitter. "it's the popular opinion of ACF..." I wasn't aware that under 20 people with an opinion makes it a popular one and the right one?
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Let's not overreact to what Misino characterized as "Appreciate the comments there, and believe me I'd rather not go down that route at all. A tweet sent in frustration really."
I've been there and thought that, I went to point of PM another member about trying to sue the model. He talked me down and I obviously never did it.
While I appreciate there is lot members don' t understand about the crap models put with. The sense of powerless and frustration members feel when they've been scammed by models. It is the most frustrating experience, I've had as a consumer and I doubt models fully appreciate it. So I totally get why Misino had thoughts of doing this.
We live in a society where the customer is always right. Amazon forgot to put a consumable in a shipment last week, there was a no drop down for didn't ship item, so had to call them up. But the whole process was painless, never was there a question if I was lying to trying to scam them. Same thing about returning something to Costco no question ask. Before you say, those billion dollars companies. I get a basically the same treatment from Etsy or ebay seller, many who make a lot less than top camgirls, or my local mom and pop store. Although, they will sometimes push for store credit.
Even companies that are notorious for bad customer service, your ISP, airlines, banks, and property managers have a process for disputing things. Yes, you'll often be on hold, and get frustrated by taking to folks with poor English skills and no power. But it is rare that if I'm persistent I don't get some partial resolution.
In contrast, when dealing with camgirls and often much of the adult entertainment world, the customer is never right. It is pretty common for a camgirl to pretty quickly ban and ignore somebody, and sometimes they even trash the member on twitter. The member then is powerless. Certainly contacting customer support is the obvious thing to do, but MFC support will never be mistaken for Costco's support, and Members often have a weird sense of loyalty and don't want to get models in trouble.
Sure it is easy to say, hey it is a only couple hundred buck, but they may be a significant sum for the member. Finally, how many of you would spend $200 for something not get it and then walk away after a phone call or two?
Now I'm not saying you should Dox a model over a dispute, just lets not crucified the guy for being frustrated and fantasizing about getting justice.
Let's not overreact to what Misino characterized as "Appreciate the comments there, and believe me I'd rather not go down that route at all. A tweet sent in frustration really."
I've been there and thought that, I went to point of PM another member about trying to sue the model. He talked me down and I obviously never did it.
While I appreciate there is lot members don' t understand about the crap models put with. The sense of powerless and frustration members feel when they've been scammed by models. It is the most frustrating experience, I've had as a consumer and I doubt models fully appreciate it. So I totally get why Misino had thoughts of doing this.
We live in a society where the customer is always right. Amazon forgot to put a consumable in a shipment last week, there was a no drop down for didn't ship item, so had to call them up. But the whole process was painless, never was there a question if I was lying to trying to scam them. Same thing about returning something to Costco no question ask. Before you say, those billion dollars companies. I get a basically the same treatment from Etsy or ebay seller, many who make a lot less than top camgirls, or my local mom and pop store. Although, they will sometimes push for store credit.
Even companies that are notorious for bad customer service, your ISP, airlines, banks, and property managers have a process for disputing things. Yes, you'll often be on hold, and get frustrated by taking to folks with poor English skills and no power. But it is rare that if I'm persistent I don't get some partial resolution.
In contrast, when dealing with camgirls and often much of the adult entertainment world, the customer is never right. It is pretty common for a camgirl to pretty quickly ban and ignore somebody, and sometimes they even trash the member on twitter. The member then is powerless. Certainly contacting customer support is the obvious thing to do, but MFC support will never be mistaken for Costco's support, and Members often have a weird sense of loyalty and don't want to get models in trouble.
Sure it is easy to say, hey it is a only couple hundred buck, but they may be a significant sum for the member. Finally, how many of you would spend $200 for something not get it and then walk away after a phone call or two?
Now I'm not saying you should Dox a model over a dispute, just lets not crucified the guy for being frustrated and fantasizing about getting justice.
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Seems like the model pulled a shit move for sure.
Misono could have responded 2 ways... the decent route (publicly airing his grievance on forums), and the respond-in-kind shit move (trying to lean on her on twitter)... at least that's the way I would have looked at it. Pick one, and invest your efforts in that 100%.
From the peanut gallery, choosing to do both just looks like a mess.
Misono could have responded 2 ways... the decent route (publicly airing his grievance on forums), and the respond-in-kind shit move (trying to lean on her on twitter)... at least that's the way I would have looked at it. Pick one, and invest your efforts in that 100%.
From the peanut gallery, choosing to do both just looks like a mess.
Me calling him a douchebag isn’t crucifying, lol. I think he’s an asshole trying to pull a power play (“I’m a lawyer! They’ll give me your real name!”) and that is not just a fantasy at that point.
I don’t disagree with your post as a whole but I also am not a compassionate enough person to care about him and his consumer rights in this scenario, where he is intentionally using his power to intimidate her.
This whole thread is kind of funny now though, that he wanted models to empathize and tell him he’s right but ended up getting dragged for being a fuckhead.
Fair enough douchebag isn't out of bounds. But he doesn't really have any power, it is not like MFC is going to give them him her name. Plus hell threatening to sue, it is sort of the last desperation move that most people resort to when they are out of options. I think about every few years and actually, threaten to do it once a decade or so.
nope. it's shitty behavior. which can possibly lead someone into getting physically harmed or financially ruined. i don't play light to that and other people won't either. i've seen member doxx models from being butthurt to being ripped off. i don't think you understand the severity of doxxing. and anyone who tries to use it as a tool as leverage is crap. i don't care if you are an activist, a cunt a good samaritan, lottery winner, or a nazi. you don't try to collect doxx.
just a little bit of reads: https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/what-is-doxxing-how-to-avoid/
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OP and to any other member: if you feel like the model scammed you, send every screenshot you have to support, undoctored. no crop, edits, w/e. provide enough evidence to support your case. there are sites that screeen cap every public camstream, you can get her side of the conversation there if she was verbal. if the site you visit doesn't respond well to these responses, get your lawyers involved. contact your bank/cc and request your money to be returned for making false claims and services not rendered. models cannot perform refunds. can they message the site and request a refund be applied to your account,? yes.
if you are continually getting ripped off and the site doesn't do anything about it, leave. go spend your money elsewhere. you are just as responsible how and where you spend your money as the business is to render services when paid to do so.
But it’s the illusion of power - he’s hoping to intimidate her into doing what he wants. Whether he can or can’t do it is irrelevant, imo.
Well you may be too a nice a person, but most of the rest of have said, "well I'm going to talk your manager , write to the CEO, post negative reviews on Yelp, never set foot in this place again, contact my credit card company, or I'm going to take you to court.", at various times when we felt ripped off. She's stolen 2,000 tokens, He started off nice and has gotten no where. She's threaten to ban and ignore and get his IP blocked on MFC. Is really suppose to nice at this point?
people threaten to get people ip banned from everything on the internet. it's mostly an empty threat unless op has done anything that would warrant him an ip ban. ip bans can be easily dodged with a simple vpn and using a loadable visa gift card.
but what's stopping you from making a site that does give you that option? there are already sites like mycamgirl.net. or maybe create a forum centered around camsite members. regardless of her behavior, it doesn't EXCUSE his behavior threatening to get her doxx as a scare tactic to get what he wants.
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Agreed. Not many sites will do IP bans anymore, as it's a useless tool now. In old days, yep. It was a last resort when I used to be a mod on different sites because it could impact more than just one person and VPN's weren't as common as they are now.
I do understand @HiGirlsRHot 's comments in that members are typically left hung out to dry in some cases. But, by the same token (no pun intended), when you have members screwing models over for skypes, goods, etc. with fake gift cards, chargebacks on cards, paypal disputes, etc., it goes both ways.
Key is to be wary of who you do business with. Models and members alike.
strange, it's like anyone is capable of assholism. who'd knew?
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Not even remotely the same as doxxing. Absolute worst case of speaking to the manager is someone gets fired. Which sucks, don't get me wrong. But doxxing literally puts lives at risk in so many ways.
It's clear neither party here is virtuous in their actions. It's not a case of who's MORE wrong, neither of them are RIGHT. We're seeing the escalations of TWO shitty people done publicly. This situation probably wouldn't even gotten close to this point if both sides weren't being assholes and wanting to make it a public show.
I'm pretty sure refunds are a daily thing on sites. I just got a refund less than a week ago on SM and to my surprise the model was suspended for it (tried to play a video for an exclusive). There was no need to make a floor show from it.
Both are wrong, both keep making wrong moves over and over. It's been 3 days and I'm sure NEITHER of them have contacted MFC support to clear this up. They're both more interested in making a show out of it at the same time just rallying all the members and models that look at each other with disdain into a frenzy (the twitter effect).
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Sadly, this is all to common now days. People would rather make things a public spectacle instead of actually resolving issues quietly. Then again, far too many seem to enjoy knowing the "dirty little secrets" of others instead of minding their own damn business.
EDIT to add this: https://www.elitedaily.com/life/why-you-need-to-mind-your-own-business
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Considering the second page of this thread has all been about twitter gossip I can't say it isn't easy to get sucked in.
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I only read it because it was linked. More times than not, I couldn't care less about disputes people have because in nearly all cases it doesn't concern me directly. Even if it's between friends, I'll try and stay out of it unless I'm directly asked something.
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Wow. Feels like the Jaws climax. You think the shark is dead and then BAM! Quint is dead, 180 degrees reversal motherfucker. I won’t trust my judgement againincase anyone is curious and to be fair: here is the model's side.
lol at that member complaint twitter. "it's the popular opinion of ACF..." I wasn't aware that under 20 people with an opinion makes it a popular one and the right one?
If there was one member who might have learned a lesson and be cautious in these situations, you might have said @Misono. He's been on here over five years with quite a few threads and posts inhabiting similar territory - models, scheduling problems, tokens paid, what now, and so on. He's been given advice but keeps ending up in bother. 
What a stupid and unnecessary situation those two put themselves in, both are in the wrong so there is no need to take sides here. Also someone threatening to use the GDPR to get information on someone else is laughable, that is not even close to how GDPR works. If MFC were to hand out information like that they might actually be in breach of the GDPR. I guess the lesson we can take away from all this is be honest, treat each other fairly and you won't end up with tarnished reputations.
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Am I the only one a bit shocked she charges 180 tokens per min on Skype?
shocked like so little or too much? that's what? $9 min? those are my rates lol
THE MOLLIE MARIE
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I am shocked that there are still people out there who think they have any reason to be shocked by what any entrepreneur charges for their business services.
Well of course. Perfectly reasonable to pay $14.4 per minute. That's why at my income level, I look for less established models. You girls on ACF are pros.
MFC Support came back, and the tokens have been deducted from her account and returned to mine, as they reviewed the chatlogs. Not sure of any other actions.
It is correct though, although probably only applicable in the UK, that MFC would've had an obligation to disclose under the UK version of GDPR, but also something known as a Norwich Pharmacal Order, which is basically a court order requiring an innocent 3rd party to disclose information. Despite the criticisms here, I would've gone through with this.
Interestingly, I only picked up on the response from support after I got another angry DM from her on Twitter tonight.
It is correct though, although probably only applicable in the UK, that MFC would've had an obligation to disclose under the UK version of GDPR, but also something known as a Norwich Pharmacal Order, which is basically a court order requiring an innocent 3rd party to disclose information. Despite the criticisms here, I would've gone through with this.
Interestingly, I only picked up on the response from support after I got another angry DM from her on Twitter tonight.
I’m glad you got your tokens back. Because I do feel you were cheated out of what you asked for.
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Your threats about asking/threatening mfc for her legal info and your insistence that they owed it to you by law are severely off putting. You’re no longer welcome here at ACF.
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