A bit upset.

[Bittercoffee]

Hey guys, i'm a prospective cam model! I've been interested in camming for awhile now but I have yet to take the plunge. While just scrolling through random girls MFC shows on my basic account, I came across this woman who on first impression seemed pretty chill. Unfortunately, her fans caught a glance of my name and started to chat about it. Within five minutes I was told to buy tokens to become premium and then she banned me from her room. I just found it to be quite rude, considering I didn't actually do anything to warrant a ban in my honest opinion. For the record I know quite a few Camgirls who would never dream of acting in that manner when the person hasn't even done anything wrong.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Hey guys, i'm a...person hasn't even done anything wrong.

Stop and ask yourself: why do I even give a shit?

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

Some models act this way. Others don't. It's the way of the cam world. If you really want to become a webcam model then you should, regardless of how some women act on cam/run their room. If you have your own room you can run it however YOU want to! :thumbleft:

 

[JickyJuly]

If being called out in a cam room upset you enough to make a thread and discuss it, do not put yourself on cam yet. Your skin will need to be so, so much thicker than this just to get through your first day.

 

[JubalCobb]

this must have been some account name.

 

[StacySins]

What is your account name? That could maybe tell us WHY you got banned.

 

[Bittercoffee]

What is your account name? That could maybe tell us WHY you got banned.

Nah, it literally is just bittercoffee on mfc too.

Anyways, I appreciate your imput everyone, it was just the first time I came across a camgirl like that.

 

[Picnic]

Some models make a game out of banning basics. It has been a very successful move for some (SophiaLocke, for example). Lots of premiums tend to get annoyed with basics...kind of makes sense, especially if those premiums are spending a lot of tokens on the model and providing a show.

Anyway, that could be where that mentality came from. Regardless, models run their room however they see fit. That's the beauty of being a cam model. You're running your own business, and you get to call the shots! You're bound to come across models whose choices you may not agree with or even like, but the best advice I can give you is to focus on your own hustle.

 

[StacySins]

What is your account name? That could maybe tell us WHY you got banned.

Nah, it literally is just bittercoffee on mfc too.

Anyways, I appreciate your imput everyone, it was just the first time I came across a camgirl like that.

Odd. God knows then, some girls are just like that.

 

[Sansa]

Okay, as someone who DOES have a Ban a Basic game culture in my room, here are my thoughts.

If a basic has a relatively new account, as in, a few days, weeks, months, personally I leave those basics alone. The only way to become a premium is to be a basic first, and sometimes it takes a few weeks or a few months to find a model who makes you want to tip, or maybe you need to wait for your paycheck next week, whatever. It sounds like you'd only had your account for a little bit since you want to be a model.

That said, I do ban a lot of basics who have been around for a while, because it's super rude and disrespectful to models to perv in her room on an account that's 1000, or 1400, or 2500, or 2900 days old. It's pretty much saying that no model in several years is worth $20, and if they can afford internet and a computer, they can afford $20 at some point for their entertainment. If someone watches as a guest, fine, but the lifetime basic thing is ridiculous. I don't want those people in my room, and when I make a public display of banning them, my regulars get a chuckle, and usually I end up getting a bunch of tips that way.

Ban A Basic tends to happen a little more often in rooms where the model is really bossy or bratty or if she's a Dom (I kind of have a feeling as to who you're talking about, she makes banning basics a total sport in her room). There are tons and tons of camming styles, being nice works for some, being a bitch works for others. Since you're thinking about being a model, I recommend watching Kickaz or GinnyPotter, both are usually in the top row and are super nice!

 

[SaffronBurke]

(Not directed at OP by any means, but since the lovely SophiaLocke and her fun game were mentioned)

I've seen Sophia share letters she's received from basics who were "shocked" that she banned them, and claim that they watch her all the time, and they were just So surprised that they got banned, and now they had to spend a piddling $20 to be able to send her a whiney MFC mail (good, now maybe try actually tipping a model or two with them tokens bub).


Bro. Unless you "watch her all the time" with your sound off, you know about her ban-a-basic game. I've been in her room, I've played the game, and it's NOT a surprise by any means. She has the tip amount to ban a basic in her topic. When someone tips, she asks them who to ban. Her regulars tend to hunt through the basic list to find the oldest basic accounts and have her ban them (often including the usernames in the tipnote). I've seen basics get called out and banned who've been basics since 2009.

I'm not saying that that's what happened with OP, by any means, but jeeze Louise the dudes who complain about being booted from their 6 years of freeloading.... Bro. Porn is a luxury, not a necessity. In 6 years, you couldn't scrape together 20 bucks and upgrade? C'mon! When my late husband and I were broke asses, when he was unemployed and I was working part-time, we could wiggle some tokens in here and there. It was honestly a big deal to us - if we could order pizza AND tip our favorite camgirl in the same pay period, we were happy campers! If they'd had the smaller token packs back then, we probably would've tipped more frequently.

 

[Sansa]

Oh, the other reason why some of us will ban lifetime basics is because there's a good chance that they can't pay that $20 because they're underage. There's a reason why a lot of basics and guests talk like kids... :?

(And again, all the more reason I don't care about giving them the boot).

 

[Zoomer]

I've a basic account since 2012 - I still use it

Not all basics are freeloaders all of the time - and I'd wager that they are no more so than the vast majority of premiums are freeloaders... to some models

I don't personally care who bans whom, or why. Just pointing something out.

 

[AerynShade]

There's also a relatively high camscore model from Russia who will ban you if you don't say hi or tip within a couple minutes of entering her room. My housemate was unlucky enough to venture into her room and get distracted by his cat trying to destroy something. Poor dude was all sad and came to me trying to figure out what he'd done to get banned.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

That said, I do ban a lot of basics who have been around for a while, because it's super rude and disrespectful to models to perv in her room on an account that's 1000, or 1400, or 2500, or 2900 days old. It's pretty much saying that no model in several years is worth $20, and if they can afford internet and a computer, they can afford $20 at some point for their entertainment. If someone watches as a guest, fine, but the lifetime basic thing is ridiculous. I don't want those people in my room, and when I make a public display of banning them, my regulars get a chuckle, and usually I end up getting a bunch of tips that way.

Just thought I'd point out that not all basics are someone who can't afford to fork over $20. Some are premiums who just happen to have a basic account as well. Times when they don't feel like chatting they get on that to avoid being recognized is all. Many premiums I know also have basic accounts. Ban the basic and his IP and you ban the premium as well. I've heard of regulars in rooms inadvertently being banned by the model unknowingly that way. Heck, it happened to me this week.

Also the old argument about affording internet and computer means they can afford to become premium doesn't always hold true. Internet may be required for a job or school, so it's a necessary bill. Yet they could still be in a position where they can't afford to pay for entertainment, a luxury. Making a free basic account doesn't take anything out of the budget so they can do that. You're applying your financial situation to others and it simply doesn't work that way for everyone. The world just isn't that black and white.

 

[LioraVox]

I don't understand. If you wanted to watch a model but not be seen, why not just perv as a guest? Most times basics and guests are muted anyway.

Is it cause you can add a model to your list and see all of your favs that are online maki it easy to room hop. But like how hard is it to look her up or click a link from her Twitter probably.

 

[Nordling]

That said, I do ban a lot of basics who have been around for a while, because it's super rude and disrespectful to models to perv in her room on an account that's 1000, or 1400, or 2500, or 2900 days old. It's pretty much saying that no model in several years is worth $20, and if they can afford internet and a computer, they can afford $20 at some point for their entertainment. If someone watches as a guest, fine, but the lifetime basic thing is ridiculous. I don't want those people in my room, and when I make a public display of banning them, my regulars get a chuckle, and usually I end up getting a bunch of tips that way.

Just thought I'd point out that not all basics are someone who can't afford to fork over $20. Some are premiums who just happen to have a basic account as well. Times when they don't feel like chatting they get on that to avoid being recognized is all. Many premiums I know also have basic accounts. Ban the basic and his IP and you ban the premium as well. I've heard of regulars in rooms inadvertently being banned by the model unknowingly that way. Heck, it happened to me this week.

Also the old argument about affording internet and computer means they can afford to become premium doesn't always hold true. Internet may be required for a job or school, so it's a necessary bill. Yet they could still be in a position where they can't afford to pay for entertainment, a luxury. Making a free basic account doesn't take anything out of the budget so they can do that. You're applying your financial situation to others and it simply doesn't work that way for everyone. The world just isn't that black and white.

I guess so, but why not just sign in as a guest? And if someone decides to sponge off content because they can't afford to be a premium, why is that justified? Do you hang out in grocery stores when broke and eat food out of the produce section without paying? At least food is a necessity of life.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I guess so, but why not just sign in as a guest?

Guest - basic...there are differences.

And if someone decides to sponge off content because they can't afford to be a premium, why is that justified?

Who said anything about justification? Simply explaining why the perceived reality is not always the case.

Do you hang out in grocery stores when broke and eat food out of the produce section without paying? At least food is a necessity of life.

You're equating occasionally visiting a website utilizing a basic account where it's purposely set up to do so, and every single model signed up for said site knows this beforehand, with stealing something from a store...uhm Huh? Did you even read that before you hit post?

 

[Zoomer]

I don't understand. If you wanted to watch a model but not be seen, why not just perv as a guest? Most times basics and guests are muted anyway.

Is it cause you can add a model to your list and see all of your favs that are online maki it easy to room hop. But like how hard is it to look her up or click a link from her Twitter probably.

Friends list lets you see who is online immediately. The reason to then browse the site after is exactly the same as a premium or guest.

The real question should be "Why do you discriminate against basics"
The obvious answer is - "They're freeloaders" - but so are all guests and most premiums Do you ban those which don't tip as well?

My own personal research shows that 1 in 4 basics becomes Premium - but it is likely biased to a degree However, how much they spend after that I don't know

 

[AmberCutie]

I don't understand. If you wanted to watch a model but not be seen, why not just perv as a guest? Most times basics and guests are muted anyway.

Is it cause you can add a model to your list and see all of your favs that are online maki it easy to room hop. But like how hard is it to look her up or click a link from her Twitter probably.

Friends list lets you see who is online immediately. The reason to then browse the site after is exactly the same as a premium or guest.

The real question should be "Why do you discriminate against basics"
The obvious answer is - "They're freeloaders" - but so are all guests and most premiums Do you ban those which don't tip as well?

My own personal research shows that 1 in 4 basics becomes Premium - but it is likely biased to a degree However, how much they spend after that I don't know

I guess there's discrimination because they're essentially guests who have some benefits/features absolutely free that most feel should only be for people who have gone premium.

Sometimes I wish there was only guest/premium. Want any additional features? Pay up! Otherwise just watch silently as a guest.

 

[LioraVox]

All guest are freeloaders and lurkers yes. But being signed into an account, for the purpose of "being unseen" just seems..odd to me when there's an option for you to be completely invisible. Yes you add to room count but you're not adding to the rooms atmosphere, you're just there.

In my mind sometimes basics are like window shoppers, why go into the store knowing you're not going to buy anything when you can just look and lust over the merchandise on their website? Why make the trip and waste the gas. Just like why make an account when all you're going to do is lurk and never upgrade.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I guess there's discrimination because they're essentially guests who have some benefits/features absolutely free that most feel should only be for people who have gone premium.

Sometimes I wish there was only guest/premium. Want any additional features? Pay up! Otherwise just watch silently as a guest.

To me it seems like an additional enticement program designed to ease people into going premium.

Many sites I go to, out of initial curiosity or wanting to read one article that google led me to, want me to sign up and create an account to do anything on the site. I hate creating accounts for no reason. It means another username and password i'm going to have to keep track of for a site I'm not sure about in the first place.

Pinterest is a prime example of this. Google images often leads you to a pinterest site. Do I initially go there for 'pinterest?' No. I went there to look at one image. I might have browsed their site more and thus became interested in it over time. That's impossible in reality since you can't even get past a blurred out homepage without signing in. Who knows, it might be something I would have wanted to create an account with. But because pinterest requires me to log in or sign up to even view anything it annoys me to the point where I now refuse to ever make an account on that site.

MFC let you browse free as a guest. But by creating the 'basic' group they entice more people to take that step to create a username and password in the first place by offering a few additional ammenities. THEN they can work on trying to coax em into paying by dangling more features in front of them. I tend to think of it as a pretty good middle ground to get more people on the way to being paying members.

Basically it's baby steps.

 

[Ava Nicole]

That said, I do ban a lot of basics who have been around for a while, because it's super rude and disrespectful to models to perv in her room on an account that's 1000, or 1400, or 2500, or 2900 days old. It's pretty much saying that no model in several years is worth $20, and if they can afford internet and a computer, they can afford $20 at some point for their entertainment. If someone watches as a guest, fine, but the lifetime basic thing is ridiculous. I don't want those people in my room, and when I make a public display of banning them, my regulars get a chuckle, and usually I end up getting a bunch of tips that way.

Just thought I'd point out that not all basics are someone who can't afford to fork over $20. Some are premiums who just happen to have a basic account as well. Times when they don't feel like chatting they get on that to avoid being recognized is all. Many premiums I know also have basic accounts. Ban the basic and his IP and you ban the premium as well. I've heard of regulars in rooms inadvertently being banned by the model unknowingly that way. Heck, it happened to me this week.

Also the old argument about affording internet and computer means they can afford to become premium doesn't always hold true. Internet may be required for a job or school, so it's a necessary bill. Yet they could still be in a position where they can't afford to pay for entertainment, a luxury. Making a free basic account doesn't take anything out of the budget so they can do that. You're applying your financial situation to others and it simply doesn't work that way for everyone. The world just isn't that black and white.

That may be true, but if a member knows a model well enough that he feels he should go on a basic account to not be recognized when he's not feeling chatty, he should know whether that model has a habit or game of banning basics. Most models I've seen that have banning basics as a culture in their room, it's obvious from the first time you watch them. Sooo, it's kinda your own fault if you go into a room like that on a basic account.

 

[yossarian]

I've never encountered a model who does this "ban the basics" game. (This is the first I've even heard of it). But if I was in a room where a model started doing this I'd never go back. Before you ask, I'm not a basic--I've been a premium for three years and I always tip when I spend time in a model's room. It just seems like a shitty and mean-spirited thing to do. I prefer models who stay positive and have fun without abusing people, but I guess that's just me. :twocents-02cents:

 

[Zoomer]

I honestly don't see any advantage of being a basic over a guest other than a friends list - do they get notifications?

It'd be interesting to see what the conversions of guests to premiums (as in go basic, immediately buy tokens) actually would be The basic offers enticement - a mid point, a gentle encouraging step towards the paid version

Also interesting would be how many of those $20 premiums have never bought any tokens again (or even still have the original tokens) and for how long. After all, they may have bought tokens once but if they didn't spend any on you and never bought again then they're worth no more to you than basics! Additionally, how long it was before they changed from basic to premium. That could be a real eye opener

 

[LioraVox]

I like Luthiens method of banning long term basics. The guys that haven't upgraded at all since 09-11 or even earlier. Like no go away..because you are the worst type of person. Cam girls work really hard for their shows and in the 6+ years you haven't met ONE model that you want to spend even 1 token on. no no no. Why would I want to allow this guy to see my show when he has seen 100s and never upgraded. There's a low percent of chance that this basic will see me and say yep I have to buy her tokens now, after years and years of getting a free show.

Even 0/20 prems either already spent them and supported a model or is holding onto them and could potentially tip a model. Long term basics are just butts and shouldn't be rewarded with seeing beautiful women.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I honestly don't see any advantage of being a basic over a guest other than a friends list - do they get notifications?

It'd be interesting to see what the conversions of guests to premiums (as in go basic, immediately buy tokens) actually would be The basic offers enticement - a mid point, a gentle encouraging step towards the paid version

Also interesting would be how many of those $20 premiums have never bought any tokens again (or even still have the original tokens) and for how long. After all, they may have bought tokens once but if they didn't spend any on you and never bought again then they're worth no more to you than basics! Additionally, how long it was before they changed from basic to premium. That could be a real eye opener

The big advantages are friends list, and some models allow basics to chat, I think there maybe some other things associated with search but I haven't used my basic account (ko0lray ) in a long time. It's true that a 20/0 premium maybe worth no more than a basic, but at least with a premium you know the person has had a access to a credit card, paypal. The longterm basic are very likely either underage, have no money, or just crazy cheap like Koolray.

The real problem that I think MFC needs to address is the long-term freeloaders and it doesn't matter if they are basics or guests. You just shouldn't be allowed to spend years and hundreds of hours watching basically the same show that a small percentage of us pay for.

 

[KayleePond]

I'll note that any of the members I know who have alternate MFC accounts for when they want to lay low, have spent the $20 to upgrade that account to premium and continue to compensate models for their time and efforts. I think that's pretty badass and really appreciate it. Just wanted to throw that out there because I think it's really cool!


I was actually banned by Sophia during Ban-A-Basic on my first day on my account! :lol: I was all eager and excited and I went in and then before I could even hear anything else I heard "Bye [My Member Name]!" and was banned! I knew the game though and understood. I was sad that I couldn't check out her show but understood that until I could afford to go premium, I shouldn't count myself safe while that particular game is going on. It wasn't like the game was a secret, so I certainly didn't take issue with it at all. Maybe part of me felt a little proud that I could be a sacrifice on the altar for a (soon to be) fellow camgirl! Since I couldn't really tip her at the time, it was the least I could do I suppose!

I can imagine if a NON camgirl was on a brand new basic account and didn't understand MFC or the culture or games or any of the things going on yet they would be feeling immensely confused and sad. I would probably never go back to her room and feel super embarrassed that I had messed up somehow during my first moments on MFC. I think it is probably best during that game to only choose older accounts, if possible, just to make sure you aren't upsetting people who are legitimately still trying to figure out if they like the site enough to go premium.

I'll never understand just randomly starting to kick out people because they haven't spoken or tipped, though. That seems super scummy to me and like bad business. That's the model's choice though and just like with the basic banning games, if you don't agree with the choices and practices of a model you are probably not compatible anyway so it isn't a great loss if they ban you. The beauty of MFC and camsites in general is that you can always find another model to watch and enjoy!

 

[Sansa]

I guess there's discrimination because they're essentially guests who have some benefits/features absolutely free that most feel should only be for people who have gone premium.

Sometimes I wish there was only guest/premium. Want any additional features? Pay up! Otherwise just watch silently as a guest.

This. Basics are getting a free benefit for nothing.

Here is my long list of problems with basics, I'll be addressing things that others said in this thread too in response to my earlier post.

The biggest issue that I have with basics, and this is really evident by the fact that whenever I do allow them to talk, they sound like asshole idiot kids, and you know what? Most of them probably are. Why should someone underage be given benefits on an adult website? Giving them a free way to keep track of all the models that they like? Ew and no. But surely not all basics are kids, right?

Long-term basics send a very negative message to both models and visitors. If a basic has been around for more than 1000 days, that person is not going premium. Ever. If someone has been visiting a website for free for three years, or five years, or eight years, not only is he sending a direct message that no model has ever been worth tipping, but he is sending a message to other members that it's okay to be like that too. It's extremely disrespectful, and it's a bad business model on the part of MFC.

If you want to watch a model and not talk, either watch as a guest or make another account so that she doesn't know who you are. Personally it would be nice if members had the option of being incognito at a certain reward level or something. But why not tell the model you don't want to or can't talk that day? My best regulars have no problem telling me that they're busy/multitasking but still love hearing me on in the background.

Going back to what I said, and I don't like talking about this aspect of camming, but sometimes it is important to address that this is actually hard work for us, even though many of us make it look effortless. It is physically and emotionally draining at times, which isn't to say that it isn't enjoyable! But it's still work. And honestly, I find it insulting and bizarre when someone hangs out on a site, they're obviously there for enjoyment, but they have never once in many years thought to contribute. It's like staring at a street performer every day for hours and hours and never throwing so much as a nickle their way. Or hanging out at strip club all day every day for almost a decade and never ever tucking a George Washington into her thong.

If they are basics for eight years because they legitimately cannot afford tokens, then honestly camsites are not for them. When they go to a free porn site, there's a whole team of people who have already been paid for their work, and the companies have figured out that they can release some stuff and get ad revenue from it. Heck, even on Youtube, you can get ad revenue with enough views. Camgirls don't get anything like that, and lifetime free viewers just encourage more of that behavior.

I don't have a problem with someone hanging out for free if it means that they might potentially tip in the future. There are members who have tipped once it was payday two weeks later, or maybe they needed some warming up, or maybe they had a major vet bill this month, there's a zillion reasons why I am okay with temporary free viewing. On really slow days or weeks, seeing twenty lifetime basics in your room will make you feel angry pretty easily. At this point, MFC clearly has a problem with these sorts of basics, and they should just gas the basic accounts that are older than a year.

Agree with Kaylee, I really don't understand why anyone would ban a brand new account. It doesn't happen super often, but there have been several basics who went premium and tipped me, and one guy even went premium and did a 1800 token private right off the bat. I think that banning really new accounts discourages them from signing up for the site at all, and it almost assuredly means that they won't be tipping you if they do.

 

[FoxyBea]

When they go to a free porn site, there's a whole team of people who have already been paid for their work, and the companies have figured out that they can release some stuff and get ad revenue from it.

I disagree with this part. Yes, some porn production teams willingly release certain pieces to free porn sites, but free porn sites are a cess pool of assholes who buy or record content from independent pornographers, especially camgirls, and release it for free, and it's hard to tell the difference. Someone mentioned webcam sites are a luxury. So is porn in general. If you're too broke to buy videos, go to a gas station and buy a nude mag. If you can't afford that, you should be worrying about tons of other stuff besides porn.