A bit upset.

[Nordling]

I guess so, but why not just sign in as a guest?

Guest - basic...there are differences.

And if someone decides to sponge off content because they can't afford to be a premium, why is that justified?

Who said anything about justification? Simply explaining why the perceived reality is not always the case.

Do you hang out in grocery stores when broke and eat food out of the produce section without paying? At least food is a necessity of life.

You're equating occasionally visiting a website utilizing a basic account where it's purposely set up to do so, and every single model signed up for said site knows this beforehand, with stealing something from a store...uhm Huh? Did you even read that before you hit post?

Yes, there are differences between Basic and Guest. Which is why if you're planning on sponging, just sign in as a guest. To me Basic is an MFC construct to entice people to join, but other than for a couple weeks or so, to get a feel for the site, either go premium or stay guest. I spent about five minutes as a Basic when I first joined. I did all my "snooping around" as a guest. I saw no reason for the intermediary step.

No matter what MFC set up Basic accounts for, it's still bullshit. I'm sorry, your post simply reads like you're justifying people getting free content, and that somehow models are wrong to boot them...for fun or any other purpose.

Yes, I did read what I posted before I hit post. What do you find confusing?

 

[Sansa]

When they go to a free porn site, there's a whole team of people who have already been paid for their work, and the companies have figured out that they can release some stuff and get ad revenue from it.

I disagree with this part. Yes, some porn production teams willingly release certain pieces to free porn sites, but free porn sites are a cess pool of assholes who buy or record content from independent pornographers, especially camgirls, and release it for free, and it's hard to tell the difference. Someone mentioned webcam sites are a luxury. So is porn in general. If you're too broke to buy videos, go to a gas station and buy a nude mag. If you can't afford that, you should be worrying about tons of other stuff besides porn.

^^^ Absolutely agreeing with everything you're saying there. My bit was at least with professional porn, someone has been compensated somehow, even if someone uploaded it somewhere else. But the same could be said for camgirls that met goals and did a shows. Well, thank you for the insight, I've changed my mind on that matter now. There's no reason why someone shouldn't compensate someone for porn unless it's something willingly given for free.

 

[Zoomer]

I love it

Some basics talk like twats - yes they do. It's that anonymity on the internet thing, or some form of feeling superior perhaps? But so do some premiums and so do guests if you're brave enough to let them talk.

It's a bad business model for mfc? That's an assertion without foundation. Just because you think it's bad doesn't mean it's bad; if it were bad, why do other sites follow a similar model? As for talking basics - you'll have to ask models who do let basics talk why do they do it. I have asked this before to be told "at least they talk". And once some do it turns out they're just as nice as premiums who talk without tipping. Apparently the nice ones may even turn premium. Would they have done so without being able to talk to the model first? Dunno and I doubt the models would have known either.

Since there's many a comment about "its so quiet, why does no-one talk" then are your premiums who may once have spent $20 on someone but never talk or pay for anything better than a basic? And worse still... they may not have ever spent $20. A basic account using the BAF scheme can be turned premium if one of their referral codes goes premium. So some of your premium accounts have never... ever... spent money. They've actually been using links to become premium instead. The added kicker is that I don't think basic turned premium via referrals get free tokens for them. But I don't know that, I have not tried to see

You can hate and ban basics all you like - not saying you can't. But lets be honest - you cannot say it's a bad business model because you simply do not know.

Oh, and you are willingly "giving it for free" to people if you show anything in public for tips from one individual - it's how the site works. Seems pretty successful.

If they are basics for eight years because they legitimately cannot afford tokens, then honestly camsites are not for them. When they go to a free porn site, there's a whole team of people who have already been paid for their work, and the companies have figured out that they can release some stuff and get ad revenue from it. Heck, even on Youtube, you can get ad revenue with enough views. Camgirls don't get anything like that, and lifetime free viewers just encourage more of that behavior.

This seems contradictory... they're at a site where an entire group of people have already paid for the work (aka the topic). Those basics contribute to the room count - which in turn boosts your location on the home page if ranked by room numbers, or in the link about most popular rooms - which is advertising about where 'something' is currently going on.

Guests also get the something for nothing and may (will) have been browsing the site for years as well. The real annoyance simply appears to be that you are aware that they've been watching for so long - whereas with guests - you live in blissful ignorance about it The anonymity of being a guest saves you from the wrath, whereas as soon as you can be identified as a "freeloader" then everything changes

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I haven't used my basic account (ko0lray ) in a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hADSMbXqQ4Q

Streets still waiting on dude to drop that new single.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I guess there's discrimination because they're essentially guests who have some benefits/features absolutely free that most feel should only be for people who have gone premium.

Sometimes I wish there was only guest/premium. Want any additional features? Pay up! Otherwise just watch silently as a guest.

This. Basics are getting a free benefit for nothing.

Here is my long list of problems with basics, I'll be addressing things that others said in this thread too in response to my earlier post.

The biggest issue that I have with basics, and this is really evident by the fact that whenever I do allow them to talk, they sound like asshole idiot kids, and you know what? Most of them probably are. Why should someone underage be given benefits on an adult website? Giving them a free way to keep track of all the models that they like? Ew and no. But surely not all basics are kids, right?

Long-term basics send a very negative message to both models and visitors. If a basic has been around for more than 1000 days, that person is not going premium. Ever. If someone has been visiting a website for free for three years, or five years, or eight years, not only is he sending a direct message that no model has ever been worth tipping, but he is sending a message to other members that it's okay to be like that too. It's extremely disrespectful, and it's a bad business model on the part of MFC.
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Agree with Kaylee, I really don't understand why anyone would ban a brand new account. It doesn't happen super often, but there have been several basics who went premium and tipped me, and one guy even went premium and did a 1800 token private right off the bat. I think that banning really new accounts discourages them from signing up for the site at all, and it almost assuredly means that they won't be tipping you if they do.

I enjoyed the Ban a Basic game. Unfortunately the model that did the game on regular basis is no longer camming. 90% of the time when I tipped to ban a basic it was because he had a 2+ year basic account. The other 10% was because he said something really stupid, or had a particular offensive name 12inchCuntRipper. I think because of the game I became more conscious of how many long term basics there were. In many rooms there are almost as many basics as premium and of course several times more guests.

Just for grins I counted the composition of a room with 175 people 112 guest 34 basics, 29 premiums. Of the basics exactly one had a account created in 2015 (Feb), the oldest was June 2009. If you been basic for 3 years, the odds are tiny that'll you'll ever become a premium. Now banning them slightly hurts the individual model (lower room count) but getting rid of the long term basic in mass, I think would be good for the site and the morale of both models and tipping members. Because I think they do send exactly the message that Luthein says.

At times I've wondered who is the real idiot me for spending a lot of money , or the 80% who spend nothing. If the ratio of tippers to freeloaders was close to 1 to 1, I wouldn't think that.

 

[Empress Mika]

Not trying to argue, but just to offer a different perspective:

- Models run their rooms the way they want to. Unless you're tipping respectfully, it may be best to assume the model may choose to not pay attention to you and/or ban you at any time for any reason. You may disagree or feel offended but it's ultimately their choice.

- As a model, it is frustrating to feel as though your hard work is not being compensated. Members feel equally frustrated when others aren't pulling their tipping weight. It's a part of the business, unfortunately.

As for me, I just let the basics be. I just enjoy my time with my regulars, meet new people, and not pay attention to the basics. They are muted and, really, sometimes there's just so many basics... why do I want to waste my time to look at their account to see how long they've around and whatever and make myself irritated? In a way, to me, that's letting them win by upsetting me. I don't want to know, haha. So.. yeah! Focus on keeping your regulars happy and attracting new regulars to your room - is my strategy.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I get that basics are annoying, but really, without them I don't think MFC models would be making anywhere near as much as they do. If the option to join MFC for free, and perv for free, wasn't an option, their traffic would be nowhere near what it is. How many paying members joined MFC because it was free, and then decided that they'd have more fun on the site if they decided to go premium? 30% Half of them? More?

Plus, models can mute basics if they so choose. And in all fairness, basics aren't really doing anything wrong. They're invited (by literally all of MFC's marketing materials) to come and enjoy the site for free; they're merely taking MFC up on that invitation :twocents-02cents:

 

[Sansa]

To pose a little bit of extra insight...

One of the fetishes I cater to, as a part of my quest for knowledge in becoming a Dom, is tease and denial. And maybe it sounds mean spirited, but from my perspective, it's not. It actually does perk my mood to do thinks like play pranks, and tease, and whatever else. I used to be really uncomfortable with the idea of being "mean" to anyone while until I started getting fetish requests, especially for things like humiliation. They were a challenge in the beginning, but I absolutely love doing that stuff. There are some members who tip for flashes and they want me to temporarily ban them so that they can't see it (think of it as some digital version of a cuckold fetish). So banning basics after getting them potentially worked up for a flash actually betters my mood because I've found out overtime that exploring this side is actually a massive turn on, it makes me feel sexier, and clearly if people are tipping for it, it's showing. It's not like they were contributing to making my room better when I am nice, so I have no problem "exploiting" them for the sake of making my room more fun.

Was re-reading my posts, and I sound awfully angry. But I do actually have a reason and explanation as to why it's a success in my room, if anyone is genuinely confused about why this game is appealing and works for some models.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I get that basics are annoying, but really, without them I don't think MFC models would be making anywhere near as much as they do. If the option to join MFC for free, and perv for free, wasn't an option, their traffic would be nowhere near what it is. How many paying members joined MFC because it was free, and then decided that they'd have more fun on the site if they decided to go premium? 30% Half of them? More?

Plus, models can mute basics if they so choose. And in all fairness, basics aren't really doing anything wrong. They're invited (by literally all of MFC's marketing materials) to come and enjoy the site for free; they're merely taking MFC up on that invitation :twocents-02cents:

I get the free to look option it is myfreecams after all, but why not just have premiums and guests as Amber suggest?. Why have basics or why not make them like most sites where you have a limited time 3 days or maybe 30 day membership after you given them a credit card number.

 

[Sevrin]

As a basic you may participate in a lot of the social aspects of MFC that aren't available to guests. You have a screen name, can make a profile, rate & admire, create a friends list, message models and other members, and chat in more rooms than you could as a guest.

Basics aren't taking anything away from premiums or models. Plus they serve as ban fodder to be kicked for tips. The few models who get bamboozled by them aren't ready to be camming anyway.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I get the free to look option it is myfreecams after all, but why not just have premiums and guests as Amber suggest?. Why have basics or why not make them like most sites where you have a limited time 3 days or maybe 30 day membership after you given them a credit card number.

Who knows how long it takes before something clicks and a basic pays to be premium. There's 141 new girls joining mfc every day. So maybe one of them will finally convince them to pay. To say a basic has been a basic for years so there's no way he'll ever pay is a bit naive. I've seen it happen many times. Several times in rooms of models on this very forum.

It could be a conversation finally got around to something the basic is interested in or has personal experience with and he just had to comment on. That's done it several times. Or more likely the model he's been perving on for a long time offers some deal, like 'New Members who join now and have 20/200 showing tip me 100 or their first 200 and get so many videos.' Or even all their content. That pushes people over the edge all the time.

I've seen that every month on mfc, and many of the new members had made comments like they've been a basic for a long time.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I get the free to look option it is myfreecams after all, but why not just have premiums and guests as Amber suggest?. Why have basics or why not make them like most sites where you have a limited time 3 days or maybe 30 day membership after you given them a credit card number.

Who knows how long it takes before something clicks and a basic pays to be premium. There's 141 new girls joining mfc every day. So maybe one of them will finally convince them to pay. To say a basic has been a basic for years so there's no way he'll ever pay is a bit naive. I've seen it happen many times. Several times in rooms of models on this very forum.

It could be a conversation finally got around to something the basic is interested in or has personal experience with and he just had to comment on. That's done it several times. Or more likely the model he's been perving on for a long time offers some deal, like 'New Members who join now and have 20/200 showing tip me 100 or their first 200 and get so many videos.' Or even all their content. That pushes people over the edge all the time.

I've seen that every month on mfc, and many of the new members had made comments like they've been a basic for a long time.

I stick by my assertion that past a year or two the chances of conversion are tiny. Only one basic out 34 had their account less than 6 months. I personally only see a basic conversation once every few months. At least ones where they announce "Hey you convinced me to go premium". I am sure the models have a better feel for how common it is.

What we don't know is how many of these basics would fork over the $20, if the choices were guest or premium, or if Basic was a limited time option. I am sure for some being able to have a friendslist and being able to talk in some models room is all they need.

But mostly I disagree that they don't hurt anything, besides preying on new models, I think they reinforce the common belief that it is ok to watch MFC for free, forever. If I'm in a room with 100 people and there are only 4 of us tipping, I'd rather have the room consist of 20 premium and 80 guests, than 20 premiums, 20 basics and 60 guest.

 

[Sevrin]

But mostly I disagree that they don't hurt anything, besides preying on new models, I think they reinforce the common belief that it is ok to watch MFC for free, forever.

It is okay for them to watch Myfreecams for free forever. That is and always has been the whole premise and the drawing card of the site. Members who tip or go for private or group shows get to interact with models on a completely different level from members who don't. What difference does it make to models if a member buys 200 tokens they never have to spend? That's all being a premium member is.

 

[Jimmy9]

What a lot of people here don't seem to realize is that when somebody tips, they aren't really tipping for what's in the topic. If someone tips 100 tokens for a flash, for example, the aren't paying just to see boobs. Chances are they've seen them before, and no set of boobs is worth $10 just to see anyways. What they're actually paying for is the interaction with the model. Not just the ability to talk to her, but to make her happy and to have her like them. That is what you are selling, and that's what people pay for. Some people aren't interested in that, or they don't think it's worth paying for, or maybe they just haven't found the right model yet. These people shouldn't be seen as freeloaders, because they aren't there for the same reason as the people who do pay.

Personally, I lurked as a guest for a couple years before going premium, and I only went premium for one model that I really liked. If I hadn't found her, I would probably still be a guest. Sure, I could have just kept lurking and "freeloading" and still gotten to see her take her clothes off, but I wanted to tip because I felt like I had a connection with her, I wanted to talk to her, and most of all I wanted her to like me. To me, that's worth spending money on, not the boobs. But it's easy to see that a lot of people don't feel that way.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I personally don't think guests or basics should have any communication privileges at all, but mostly as a security safety reason. I've heard at this point dozens of stories of models who have had their personal information spread such as their name, address, etc. and I'd say in 95% of these scenarios it was a guest or basic posting in the room, or a basic Pming premiums the information. I hate the fact that basics can come in my room and bother my visitors.


Yes, that can happen with premiums too, but most people aren't willing to spend 20 bucks just to harass someone.

I've said this so many times, but if as a model you have even the slightest interest in protecting your privacy I would never let basics or guests talk. An empty room sucks, but I guarantee an empty room with your address posted is a hell of a lot worse.

And anyway, I think it's completely reasonable to be able to watch for free and then sign up to socialize.

 

[Zoomer]

How does the basic or guest know your address? Can you be sure that the basic isn't actually a premium hiding who they are?
In all honesty, that's probably a more likely scenario as they may have an axe to grind and/or access to personal details from sending gifts.

Any assertion that basics don't turn to premiums after x months can also be false. You think they won't, but I can categorically say they do. Not in droves by any stretch, but they still do!

As for "They should get rid of basics".

MFC has a BAF framework which rewards for guests turning into basics via someone's link. They give away free tokens for that happening. Do you really think they'd spend $1 per referred basic if it wasn't worth more to them? The basic platform exists for business reasons - and from my numbers (based on a single $20 buy and no future buys) they're worth $5. Once they have repeat buys, that value-per-referred-basic rises dramatically.

Remove said platform, probably remove a considerable amount of earnings

I really wouldn't be surprised that if you gave models the option to prevent basics/guests from entering a room that they'd use it - but the knock on effects of that are obviously huge

 

[Zoomer]

p.s. It took me 2 days to go from guest to basic, but 3 months to go basic to premium. I wasn't on the site every night, far from it - perhaps twice a week. It was only one model, not browsing the site (no interest at all). Since being premium I don't even visit that model anymore...

I won't divulge reward points - but needless to say my basic -> premium was absolutely profitable to the highest degree for MFC Not only from my own wallet, but from the 1200+ basic accounts through BAF, of which ~360 became premium... and who the fuck knows how much each of those has gone on to spend.

The "basic" model works - without it, I would never have bought tokens. Without that, my curiosity wouldn't have been piqued, and from that - no referrals.

But ban whomever you want for whatever reason you want. Basics, premiums, guests - don't care. Just confronting what I believe are inaccuracies or inconsistencies in justifications. The actual issue is you knowing they're getting "something for free" and it being so brazen and in your face. The causes are you giving it away (to them, and anyone else not currently tipping - including guests and premiums) for free. Solutions - just do privates or groups only?

Or simply remove join date from being visible Problem solved

 

[Sevrin]

I think models would appreciate basics more if there was a button in their chat room UI that basics could use as their premium sign-up link, and that would somehow reward models, either with a CS bump or with a few tokens, for being "the one" who was responsible for them converting.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I personally don't think guests or basics should have any communication privileges at all, but mostly as a security safety reason. I've heard at this point dozens of stories of models who have had their personal information spread such as their name, address, etc. and I'd say in 95% of these scenarios it was a guest or basic posting in the room, or a basic Pming premiums the information. I hate the fact that basics can come in my room and bother my visitors.


Yes, that can happen with premiums too, but most people aren't willing to spend 20 bucks just to harass someone.

I've said this so many times, but if as a model you have even the slightest interest in protecting your privacy I would never let basics or guests talk. An empty room sucks, but I guarantee an empty room with your address posted is a hell of a lot worse.

And anyway, I think it's completely reasonable to be able to watch for free and then sign up to socialize.

YES to everything VeronicaChaos said! The above mentioned was just one of the reasons that I used to mute guests and basics on MFC. I tried to be nice and let them chat freely, and it resulted in begging and demanding, shit-talking, and 'interrogate-the-model-about-her-real-name' creepers. That stuff pisses off the premiums, by the way. A model friend of mine actually had one of her MFC birthday celebrations ruined, because a basic was sitting there posting all kinds of personal info about her and her boyfriend in public chat.

There had been two basics that I actually liked, so whenever they were in the room I went ahead and unmuted basics. But then the more I let them talk, the creepier and more annoying shit got. Conversations about wanting to pay my phone bill (pretty sure you need my number and real name in order to do that...haha) and wanting to have fruit mailed to my house since I love fruit so much (Sure! I'll just give you my address! Want my social security number too???). :?

Also...about blocking your state (which I eventually did after having two different people who know me IRL blurt out shit in my room without thinking)...yes, it can affect your earnings, but in my mind there are things more important than money. If blocking a state puts your mind at ease and may help even a little, then do what you've gotta do. A really cool thing I discovered a while back is that as long as you have a member on your friends list (from that state you blocked), he CAN still access your chat room...which I think is nice. He just cannot view your MFC profile.

 

[Sansa]

How does the basic or guest know your address? Can you be sure that the basic isn't actually a premium hiding who they are?
In all honesty, that's probably a more likely scenario as they may have an axe to grind and/or access to personal details from sending gifts.

Any assertion that basics don't turn to premiums after x months can also be false. You think they won't, but I can categorically say they do. Not in droves by any stretch, but they still do!

As for "They should get rid of basics".

MFC has a BAF framework which rewards for guests turning into basics via someone's link. They give away free tokens for that happening. Do you really think they'd spend $1 per referred basic if it wasn't worth more to them? The basic platform exists for business reasons - and from my numbers (based on a single $20 buy and no future buys) they're worth $5. Once they have repeat buys, that value-per-referred-basic rises dramatically.

Remove said platform, probably remove a considerable amount of earnings

I really wouldn't be surprised that if you gave models the option to prevent basics/guests from entering a room that they'd use it - but the knock on effects of that are obviously huge

I have a regular who knows who a certain Top 20 model is, and he went to school with her. Out of respect, he is not saying who she is, but I guess she recognized his username or picture or something and blocked him from MFC and all other social networks. He said she was a really cool girl but otherwise was not going to try to contact her or watch her out of respect of her wishes. Instead, he goes to other model rooms. That is what a normal, sane, and awesome person does.

However, not everyone is like that. Maybe they have something against sex workers, maybe someone found out that their ex is a model, maybe it was someone they didn't like, maybe they just weren't thinking and thought it would be funny to do something like post personal information about a model. There are a zillion asshole reasons why someone would post someone's personal information of someone they know or recognize.

Also regarding the BAF thing, I'd love to know if that thing actually works considering on the wiki, it says,

This system is not officially supported

We spend all of our time working on the important parts of MyFreeCams.com and that means we spend very little time on this Bring a Friend system which means it is Not officially supported, so you are using it at your own risk.

Your referral may not count, and your tokens may not get credited. Please do not contact us to tell us about this. We are busy with other things and do not have time to support or improve this system. If you do not like it, please do not use it.

 

[SaffronBurke]

How does the basic or guest know your address? Can you be sure that the basic isn't actually a premium hiding who they are?
In all honesty, that's probably a more likely scenario as they may have an axe to grind and/or access to personal details from sending gifts.

Any assertion that basics don't turn to premiums after x months can also be false. You think they won't, but I can categorically say they do. Not in droves by any stretch, but they still do!

As for "They should get rid of basics".

MFC has a BAF framework which rewards for guests turning into basics via someone's link. They give away free tokens for that happening. Do you really think they'd spend $1 per referred basic if it wasn't worth more to them? The basic platform exists for business reasons - and from my numbers (based on a single $20 buy and no future buys) they're worth $5. Once they have repeat buys, that value-per-referred-basic rises dramatically.

Remove said platform, probably remove a considerable amount of earnings

I really wouldn't be surprised that if you gave models the option to prevent basics/guests from entering a room that they'd use it - but the knock on effects of that are obviously huge

I have a regular who knows who a certain Top 20 model is, and he went to school with her. Out of respect, he is not saying who she is, but I guess she recognized his username or picture or something and blocked him from MFC and all other social networks. He said she was a really cool girl but otherwise was not going to try to contact her or watch her out of respect of her wishes. Instead, he goes to other model rooms. That is what a normal, sane, and awesome person does.

However, not everyone is like that. Maybe they have something against sex workers, maybe someone found out that their ex is a model, maybe it was someone they didn't like, maybe they just weren't thinking and thought it would be funny to do something like post personal information about a model. There are a zillion asshole reasons why someone would post someone's personal information of someone they know or recognize.

Also regarding the BAF thing, I'd love to know if that thing actually works considering on the wiki, it says,

This system is not officially supported

We spend all of our time working on the important parts of MyFreeCams.com and that means we spend very little time on this Bring a Friend system which means it is Not officially supported, so you are using it at your own risk.

Your referral may not count, and your tokens may not get credited. Please do not contact us to tell us about this. We are busy with other things and do not have time to support or improve this system. If you do not like it, please do not use it.

They.... They don't care about the BAF system working? Here, I was just mildly bothered by them restricting it to premiums and not offering it to models (unless they use their premium account), but if they care that little about it, they should just not have it. I also find it disgusting that they think that it's too much work when Chaturbate and Streammate both have far more features on their sites, keep them all running, AND have effective referral programs, for both models and members.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I find the idea of muting people because of fear of being outed to be kinda silly but I'm not worried about people knowing what I do for a living so I don't get it. Why so much paranoia? Is it just being embarrassed to be a camgirl or more just not wanting people to know because they might not get it? Is it just fear that members in the room know more than you'd like or is it fear that some lunatic will come after you? I've been in a room when a premium kinda did this and nobody really seemed to care. Model shook it off like a boss and just moved on. I'm all for hyper paranoia, just not sure of the main reason here. Seems pointless anyway because 20 dollars isn't going to be much of a deterrent to somebody wanting to do this but hey, whatever makes the model more comfortable is cool in my book.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I find the idea of muting people because of fear of being outed to be kinda silly but I'm not worried about people knowing what I do for a living so I don't get it. Why so much paranoia? Is it just being embarrassed to be a camgirl or more just not wanting people to know because they might not get it? Is it just fear that members in the room know more than you'd like or is it fear that some lunatic will come after you? I've been in a room when a premium kinda did this and nobody really seemed to care. Model shook it off like a boss and just moved on. I'm all for hyper paranoia, just not sure of the main reason here. Seems pointless anyway because 20 dollars isn't going to be much of a deterrent to somebody wanting to do this but hey, whatever makes the model more comfortable is cool in my book.

I believe you are misunderstanding me. My family knows what I do and I'm 100% out about my career; hell, even my landlord knows. It has nothing to do with people finding out I'm a camgirl. It has more to do with the fact that guests and basics make up over 50% of a room and therefor if you have any sort of following you're going to attract numerous people who know you in real life. Some of those people are just idiots and won't think anything of calling you by your real name; some of those people could have a thing against you and out your information on purpose. Yes, if someone REALLY wanted to harass a model, they would sign-up and become premium. But most of these people aren't hard-core stalkers; they just got a temporary itch to do some mayhem. Also, harassing models is definitely more of a pastime for the unemployed variety. Most people with jobs don't have that sort of time.

It's a numbers game. It's not about preventing it, because we all know that anything can happen. It's about limiting the chances of it occurring. I know at least 6 models on this forum who have had guests/basics out their location and other private information, but I can't think of an instance where a premium did that, although I'm sure it happens.

What I find silly is when people correlate models trying to protect their location/address/real name with models trying to hide their career choice from family/friends. My mom knowing I fuck puppets is a totally different situation than that dude I wouldn't go on a second date with posting my address in my chatroom.

I think some of it is male privilege, no offense. You really don't have to worry about that because men are statistically a lot less likely to be stalked by crazy people on the internet, even outside of the sex work thing. Throw in camming and it doesn't exactly lower the chances.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

I find the idea of muting people because of fear of being outed to be kinda silly but I'm not worried about people knowing what I do for a living so I don't get it. Why so much paranoia? Is it just being embarrassed to be a camgirl or more just not wanting people to know because they might not get it? Is it just fear that members in the room know more than you'd like or is it fear that some lunatic will come after you? I've been in a room when a premium kinda did this and nobody really seemed to care. Model shook it off like a boss and just moved on. I'm all for hyper paranoia, just not sure of the main reason here. Seems pointless anyway because 20 dollars isn't going to be much of a deterrent to somebody wanting to do this but hey, whatever makes the model more comfortable is cool in my book.

I believe you are misunderstanding me. My family knows what I do and I'm 100% out about my career; hell, even my landlord knows. It has nothing to do with people finding out I'm a camgirl. It has more to do with the fact that guests and basics make up over 50% of a room and therefor if you have any sort of following you're going to attract numerous people who know you in real life. Some of those people are just idiots and won't think anything of calling you by your real name; some of those people could have a thing against you and out your information on purpose. Yes, if someone REALLY wanted to harass a model, they would sign-up and become premium. But most of these people aren't hard-core stalkers; they just got a temporary itch to do some mayhem. Also, harassing models is definitely more of a pastime for the unemployed variety. Most people with jobs don't have that sort of time.

It's a numbers game. It's not about preventing it, because we all know that anything can happen. It's about limiting the chances of it occurring. I know at least 6 models on this forum who have had guests/basics out their location and other private information, but I can't think of an instance where a premium did that, although I'm sure it happens.

What I find silly is when people correlate models trying to protect their location/address/real name with models trying to hide their career choice from family/friends. My mom knowing I fuck puppets is a totally different situation than that dude I wouldn't go on a second date with posting my address in my chatroom.

I think some of it is male privilege, no offense. You really don't have to worry about that because men are statistically a lot less likely to be stalked by crazy people on the internet, even outside of the sex work thing. Throw in camming and it doesn't exactly lower the chances.

^Yeah that.
I didn't start muting until about 2 years into camming, after my ex outed me to everyone. I knew he'd likely try to make my life hell by creating a basic account and saying "Hey, (actual name)! How's the weather in (actual location)!" etc. I figured if he really wanted to do something like that he'd have to spend money just to create a new account to simply immediately get banned and reported.

Edit: Also, I'd like to add. On MFC I did block his state, but he used a VPN. I know because after every 60 days his MFC premium name would pop up in my chat just to be a jerk, and throw off my mood.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I think some of it is male privilege, no offense.

None taken and I do agree that being a dude will make it harder for me to really understand all this.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

my ex outed me to everyone. I knew he'd likely try to make my life hell by creating a basic account and saying "Hey, (actual name)! How's the weather in (actual location)!" etc. I figured if he really wanted to do something like that he'd have to spend money just to create a new account to simply immediately get banned and reported.

Edit: Also, I'd like to add. On MFC I did block his state, but he used a VPN. I know because after every 60 days his MFC premium name would pop up in my chat just to be a jerk, and throw off my mood.

Not that it is any of my business or that you haven't already, but it couldn't hurt to let the cops where you live know about this. If he keeps doing it they might be able to do something about it.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

my ex outed me to everyone. I knew he'd likely try to make my life hell by creating a basic account and saying "Hey, (actual name)! How's the weather in (actual location)!" etc. I figured if he really wanted to do something like that he'd have to spend money just to create a new account to simply immediately get banned and reported.

Edit: Also, I'd like to add. On MFC I did block his state, but he used a VPN. I know because after every 60 days his MFC premium name would pop up in my chat just to be a jerk, and throw off my mood.

Not that it is any of my business or that you haven't already, but it couldn't hurt to let the cops where you live know about this. If he keeps doing it they might be able to do something about it.

I did. They wouldn't do anything about it. They said there wasn't enough evidence to prove it was him. I consulted the cops and a lawyer. I wound up having to just go with a restraining order. As far as I've been know, (and have told by them) there really isn't much you can do for internet stalkers or bullies unless they're actually bothering you offline.

 

[FoxyBea]

Why so much paranoia? Is it just being embarrassed to be a camgirl or more just not wanting people to know because they might not get it? Is it just fear that members in the room know more than you'd like or is it fear that some lunatic will come after you?

I mean, people who become popular on the internet without doing sexual things often get stalked. I think being a sex worker adds to that risk. There are a lot of people on MFC with a creepy sense of entitlement, and a lot of them are basics, hence why there are basics who have been camping out since 2009 and haven't been bothered to spend 20 bucks in that time. So, yeah, I think a lot of it is fear of being stalked, and I don't think that is an irrational fear. Also, some models are too nice to some of these guys and they wouldn't necessarily stalk them but, like... show up at their house as if it's appropriate?

But for me, it is also about people finding out. I'm not embarrassed or ashamed of being a cam girl. Most people I really care about know about it. My dad doesn't know, and I want to tell him, I'm just working out how I'm going to come out with it. So if some dingus I knew in high school finds me on the site and, not knowing how to mind his own business, tells everyone in our home town and my dad finds out, I wouldn't be ashamed, but I would be pretty pissed that I wasn't able to tell him on my own terms. Experienced models tell rookies time and time again that if they can't take people finding out, they shouldn't cam, and I think my job could be a toxic secret when it comes to immediate family and very close friends, but I also feel I have a right to the reveal, y'know? I feel like some secrets shouldn't be kept forever, but those secrets still belong to the person they're about, and, in my opinion, robbing them of the right to decide when and how people find out is taking an awful lot from them.

Also, I prefer to keep the lives separate. The anonymity makes me feel more free. Maybe I'm just used to the anonymity, but it'd be pretty jarring for people to dirty talk me using my real first name. Having a persona is what makes a lot of models come out of their shell.

 

[TacoBelle]

Regarding premiums vs guests/basics outting models: most people love to hide behind the anonymity of the internet. To sign up to be premium, they have to use a credit card (or Paypal account). Basically, most members who want to do some nefarious deed will only do it from behind a safety net of being anon. If they know the site has their real name/zip code/etc, they're less likely to do something that could potentially get them in trouble with the law.

 

[Sevrin]

It's not at all hard for someone with a premium account to make a sock puppet basic account.