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Apparently Russian citizens can still travel there. Turkey is the friendliest of the NATO countries toward Russia, even a year into the invasion. I don't think Turkey has gone along with most sanctions and I know that it hasn't cancelled flights.

Why? Just curious. :happy:
The black Sea is a war zone.
 
I would agree entirely with MarieElise. In the post Covid world, we need to look at what constitutes a real relationship. After all, entire multi-billion pound corporations managed to run successfully while every interaction was conducted entirely online for the best part of 2 years.

When 2 people communicate that regularly, it's a relationship, regardless of whether it's conducted online or offline. It's still a thing.

The thing that should be questioned is the true nature of the relationship and the intentions of the people in that relationship. That would be equally as true whether they had met in real life or not.
Yes. However I would also like to point out I was talking about many years ago when I used actual online dating sites to find a partner. No money was involved. Other than splitting date expenses.

But yes, a real bond of some sort does form with extended online communication. Not necessarily always a healthy bond that serves both parties well. Especially if either party has hidden agendas they are not being transparent about. A social bond of types, sure. A real bond of sorts if both parties are being above board, that can be healthy, sure. But as soon as certain boundaries are crossed things can become very unhealthy fast. Which is why I firmly believe that staying on sites and not using cam sites for any type of real life meet up is really important. Cam sites are a whole other level of nuances and issues regarding exchange of money and services. These sites are business sites. Sites where humans conduct an exchange of services for currency. That is fundamental. And cannot be forgotten, ignored or swept under the rug.
 
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Yes. However I would also like to point out I was talking about many years ago when I used actual online dating sites to find a partner. No money was involved. Other than splitting date expenses.

But yes, a real bond of some sort does form with extended online communication. Not necessarily always a healthy bond that serves both parties well. Especially if either party has hidden agendas they are not being transparent about. A social bond of types, sure. A real bond of sorts if both parties are being above board, that can be healthy, sure. But as soon as certain boundaries are crossed things can become very unhealthy fast. Which is why I firmly believe that staying on sites and not using cam sites for any type of real life meet up is really important. Cam sites are a whole other level of nuances and issues regarding exchange of money and services. These sites are business sites. Sites where humans conduct an exchange of services for currency. That is fundamental. And cannot be forgotten, ignored or swept under the rug.
Agreed. Members and models meeting is an absolutely mental proposition. Not something I would ever do or encourage anyone to do. In fact, I had to put that notion into the head of another member just the other day.

I think any kind of relationship in any medium can work so long as each party understands the boundaries and wants vaguely the same thing. I think in George's case, both member expressed a desire for the same thing but probably only one of them really wanted that thing. The other used that thing as leverage to obtain material and financial benefits.
 
She was sincere though, in a way. She told you, repeatedly, from a start:

I don't agree with many things @EasternPromis is saying, I find some of them to be downright insulting generalisations towards Slavic women, but she also has some good points and I do agree with her about the fact that it's pretty obvious that the model you've been talking to is not living the dream in Russia and has plenty of reasons to want to escape from there.

Looks like she wanted you, your money and your foreign passport to be her ticket out. Her way to build a future. And it really doesn't look to me like she was hiding it, she was just putting it nicely with a romantic bow on top at first, because obviously "I will never love you, but give me money and take me away from my fucked up country and it's delusional, dangerous dictator and I, an attractive 25 yo, will give you companionship" was unlikely to work. I'm not blaming you for not noticing it at first, you caught feelings and wanted to believe she did too, but I do believe it should be clear to you by now 18 pages into this thread.

It also makes sense to me why she's so rude and blunt now. She feels she wasted a year trying to work towards her goal and it's pretty clear it's not gonna work out, because you finally starting noticing that her goal is different than yours, so she's trying to squeeze some last expensive gifts out of it.

I'm not saying what she did was okay or that the way she's talking to you right now isn't fucked up, but at the same time it's hard for me to judge her too harshly. And what would be the point anyway? The best thing you can do now OP, as been said many timed by many people in this thread before, is to just block her everywhere and move on.
Looks like she wanted you, your money and your foreign passport to be her ticket out.
Maybe. But despite all the talk about meetings, there was always some reason from her about why it couldn't happen yet. First it was the war but then, when we discussed places where Russian citizens could still travel, other excuses would arise. ("I can't go anywhere now because my cat has all these medical problems" and then "I can't go anywhere yet because my mom has some medical problems" and so on).

This is why I began to also wonder if this was a "long trail of breadcrumbs" con. Even more recently, with suggestions of going to Istanbul in spring or summer, there's element of delay. It began to look like her idea was: Just keep a stream of money coming and we'll keep talking about visiting...

This is all moot; I'm just clarifying why it isn't even certain that her plan was for a ticket out ASAP.
she was just putting it nicely with a romantic bow on top at first
A little more than a romantic bow. There was six months of near love-bombing, lots of romantic messages and attempts to strongly sell it as being much more than about money or a ticket out. She was actually very insistent about the romantic element.

Actually, if she had made this statement --
"I will never love you, but give me money and take me away from my fucked up country and it's delusional, dangerous dictator and I, an attractive 25 yo, will give you companionship"
I would have really admired the honesty but the whole thing would have ended a lot sooner.
The best thing you can do now OP, as been said many timed by many people in this thread before, is to just block her everywhere and move on.
This is the one thing all agree on.
 
Please tell us that's a request that you didn't fulfil...... ?
No. I definitely gave her money, thousands over time, but it was through a combination of long chats in private plus a lot of one-off "gifts" offline. But where she began heading in the last few months was the notion that I would basically start providing a substantial, fixed amount of money each month, offsite...so she could rely on it. Her argument was, as mentioned, that I was (allegedly) her man and "my man has a responsibility that includes financial support, as well as emotional."

This is when her entitlement started to really go through the roof...especially when I pushed back and wouldn't do it. It's funny to think about, because in discussions of this, she explain the reason for my obligation as: She has expenses; needs to keep up with rent; needs to help her mom; needs to care for her cat; likes delicious sweets; and so on. Maybe I'm dense but.....why would that all be my responsibility again??? I'm going to assume that even in Slavic culture, this kind of support would commence during serious dating...not before ever meeting.
 
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Which is why I firmly believe that staying on sites and not using cam sites for any type of real life meet up is really important. Cam sites are a whole other level of nuances and issues regarding exchange of money and services. These sites are business sites. Sites where humans conduct an exchange of services for currency. That is fundamental. And cannot be forgotten, ignored or swept under the rug.
Obviously I'm learning a lot here and I knew nothing about this industry previously. There seems to be some percentage of models and members (I have no idea if it's a small minority or maybe it's a sizeable proportion) who think that meeting up with dates and even potential life partners on the sites is perfectly fine. Do the sites have any position about this one way or another, or do they not care so long as they keep making money? And is there any particular reason why the sites (or models in general) would be opposed to this?

I'm asking because when I was reading TOS's recently, they vary a lot. Some sites appear to be super strict about everything. Other sites seem to say, "It's not our business." I think it was Charturbate that basically says, "If you meet anybody offsite, take precautions and we won't get involved in any dispute or bear any liability." Other sites (LiveJasmin, maybe?) seem to have TOS's that say they'll ban a model if they find out.

My experiences and reading opinions here has gotten me interested in this business.
 
Are you going to block her now then, @GeorgeSpelvin ? Please?
She's already partially blocked and we haven't communicated since last update. She could still contact me though a site or two, though, now that I think about it.

EDIT: What I'm really struggling with it the reporting to the sites. That's my dilemma at the moment.
 
It's been a gradual process. :) I'm actually on this forum a lot more lately than I've been on any cam sites.

Well that's a good thing! ACF is healthy for ya. :) You'll learn a lot from this forum.
 
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...well that depends on what threads he is reading. There are some pretty f****d up stuff to read and mindblowing lol., but I guess all in all, yes it is better :rofl: :rofl:
 
Apparently Russian citizens can still travel there. Turkey is the friendliest of the NATO countries toward Russia, even a year into the invasion. I don't think Turkey has gone along with most sanctions and I know that it hasn't cancelled flights.

Why? Just curious. :happy:
*laughs in specialize in middle east history for at least 20minutes*
turkey and russia have hated each other for centuries my dude:


also turkey also been one of the first european nations to supply ukraine with weapons and aid. ukraine has a patriotic war song about the bayraktar/drones turkey supplied in feb last year
 
Obviously I'm learning a lot here and I knew nothing about this industry previously. There seems to be some percentage of models and members (I have no idea if it's a small minority or maybe it's a sizeable proportion) who think that meeting up with dates and even potential life partners on the sites is perfectly fine. Do the sites have any position about this one way or another, or do they not care so long as they keep making money? And is there any particular reason why the sites (or models in general) would be opposed to this?
SC certainly forbids real life meet-ups and off-site payments. (There is NO grey area from them in this)
Why?
Well obviously because in those scenarios they (SC) are *not* getting their cut even though they have been the conduit for the initial meeting / transactions.
 
...well that depends on what threads he is reading. There are some pretty f****d up stuff to read and mindblowing lol., but I guess all in all, yes it is better :rofl: :rofl:

Well then in those threads he'll learn about some of the fucked-up shit that us models (and members) have to deal with sometimes. Lol.
 
SC certainly forbids real life meet-ups and off-site payments. (There is NO grey area from them in this)
Why?
Well obviously because in those scenarios they (SC) are *not* getting their cut even though they have been the conduit for the initial meeting / transactions.
So do some studios. I once tried to give a model my Telegram username. (She was leaving the next day for a month to undergo surgery. I just wanted her to let me know how things went) The result was catastrophic. Her studio almost fined her, and I was almost banned. She basically begged her admins not to carry through and promised them she would never call me. That was just a member offering personal info to a model. Interestingly, all her admins are female, and at this particular studio, they are strict, but actually look after the model's safety. I am sure being in Russia has something to do with that too.
 
There seems to be some percentage of models and members (I have no idea if it's a small minority or maybe it's a sizeable proportion) who think that meeting up with dates and even potential life partners on the sites is perfectly fine. Do the sites have any position about this one way or another, or do they not care so long as they keep making money? And is there any particular reason why the sites (or models in general) would be opposed to this?

In 2018 FOSTA SESTA became a law. It was an amendment to Section 230, which states that a site cannot be held legally liable/prosecuted for content published by third party users on their site. With FOSTA SESTA, if someone is using a site for sex trafficking, the site would also be held responsible and would face legal repercussions as well as the individual. Consensual prostitution/solicitation was also seen as sex trafficking, so any site that facilitated it could also get in trouble. And, meetups for tokens could be seen as prostitution/paying for sex even if that wasn’t happening.

Before those laws, date raffles were somewhat common, especially on sites like MFC. Now, you’re not supposed to talk about meetups for tokens at all on any site. Even for platonic dates, since again, it could be seen as solicitation. And some sites have it to where you can get banned for any sort of talk of meeting in person, or even giving out any other way of communication.

So, that would be a big reason why sites are opposed to members trying to use cam sites as dating sites. It could literally get the site shut down.

And as far as why models are opposed to it, most/the majority of models are there because it’s their job. It’s what pays their bills and puts food on the table. A lot of models already have partners and don’t want to be annoyed by members looking to date them, because they’re not there for that. It’s annoying when you’re trying to do your job and someone is trying to date you/meet up with you. Plus, as stated before, that sort of talk on the site could get the model banned.
 
Obviously I'm learning a lot here and I knew nothing about this industry previously. There seems to be some percentage of models and members (I have no idea if it's a small minority or maybe it's a sizeable proportion) who think that meeting up with dates and even potential life partners on the sites is perfectly fine. Do the sites have any position about this one way or another, or do they not care so long as they keep making money? And is there any particular reason why the sites (or models in general) would be opposed to this?

I'm asking because when I was reading TOS's recently, they vary a lot. Some sites appear to be super strict about everything. Other sites seem to say, "It's not our business." I think it was Charturbate that basically says, "If you meet anybody offsite, take precautions and we won't get involved in any dispute or bear any liability." Other sites (LiveJasmin, maybe?) seem to have TOS's that say they'll ban a model if they find out.

My experiences and reading opinions here has gotten me interested in this business.
I really can’t answer your questions about that. I am of the same opinion I have always been of, That cam sites should never be used for dating sites.

There is a thing called Fosters/ seata. I would like to be of more help here. But I’m afraid I cannot be. I do not have the time right now to help any further. There are nuance and legalities involved with the Illegality of prostitution.

All I can say is that my main site is a site that does not allow any offsite contact. I appreciate that. I have been a cam model for eight years and I have never once met up with a member from a campsite or even discussed it. That is all I have to say on this matter. I do wish you luck George. But I’m going to exit this thread now. Thank you and Godspeed

I literally don’t even have the time to correct my speech to text. But I think you get what I’m saying here hopefully. Gotta go.
 
Blocking is really binary, how can you partially block someone? It really feels like you're deliberately dragging this process out (and the thread with it) for some reason.
I should have clarified: She's blocked on the ways we normally communicated. Where she isn't blocked is on a couple of sites where we did have a little interaction in the past (but where I haven't been in a long while). So theoretically, she could send a DM there or something.

I'm sure there will be closure soon. As far as the thread, I'm just replying to comments of interest to me...especially since the thread has gone off on several tangents.
 
SC certainly forbids real life meet-ups and off-site payments. (There is NO grey area from them in this)
Why?
Well obviously because in those scenarios they (SC) are *not* getting their cut even though they have been the conduit for the initial meeting / transactions.
There is also considerable risk to the model in both meeting up, and providing account details (real name, address, phone number etc) for off-site payments.
 
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