Am I thinking logical or have I lost my mind?

[SoTxBob]

....so many people on this board have bad opinions about Romanian models.....I'm glad I questioned the situation, because now those doubts are behind me.... She was being straight forward and honest with me the entire time, but I didn't believe her. I regret that the most.

Thanks for the positivity.

What gets me is that while there is a decidedly corrupt faction to the Ro side of the business, [for that matter ALL business in much of Ro] the fact remains that you can't help where you're born. That Ro birthplace doesn't make you some sort of master scammer any more than coming from some "backwood holler" in Tenn or Ky makes you a moonshiner, or coming from California makes you a jelly brain doper valley girl.... and NO, not that many Texans wear cowboy boots and hats either. Point being, unless you take the time to know a person, there's a good chance your opinion is based on misconception. :twocents-02cents:

 

[a0Crinna]

Hello everyone im new in here,but i just wanna say something about this topic... im a cam model too on mfc,and i gotta say... not all romanian girls are the same...every country has his weak persons... i do believe models can fall in love with member,i had a co worker who got married with a guy she meet in here and now they'r gonna have a kid and stuff...but thats very rare..i think most of the models are just trying to get money by saying their in love...i do believe in friendship,believe it or not WE TOO get atached to you guys,and it hurt us when you act bad...it s hard to trust a person who you meet in here,even if its model or member...you never ever know what hides in front of the computer,it might be a psycho killer or whatever...we all watch news and see whats going on :roll: so my point is..keep it fun,and enjoyble..after a while if your pretending your in love things turn to bad... and i think its useless...and for god sakes STOP SENDIND MONEY TO MODELS!!!!! :naughty:

 

[bob]

I'm sure people will think this is B.S. and I don't really care if they do. You nver know until you try. Find out the facts before passing judgement. THats my biggest regret. She was being straight forward and honest with me the entire time, but I didn't believe her.I regret that the most.

i clicked that thanks button hank, but I too, had to post how glad i am that you took a moment to post your follow up thoughts.....it get's a little tedious around here sometimes listening to all the warnings....as well intentioned as they are, they tend to reinforce our objectification of both members and models, which is probably best for the business end of camming....but i joined this forum because i saw it as a place to peel back the objectification
your story is a good one about heeding caution, about following instincts, and about the truth being somewhere other than laying on the surface of things
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[Swirl]

Damn...now I want to meet my Romanian camgirl lover too.

 

[Jupiter551]

I'm sure people will think this is B.S. and I don't really care if they do. You nver know until you try. Find out the facts before passing judgement. THats my biggest regret. She was being straight forward and honest with me the entire time, but I didn't believe her.I regret that the most.

i clicked that thanks button hank, but I too, had to post how glad i am that you took a moment to post your follow up thoughts.....it get's a little tedious around here sometimes listening to all the warnings....as well intentioned as they are, they tend to reinforce our objectification of both members and models, which is probably best for the business end of camming....but i joined this forum because i saw it as a place to peel back the objectification
your story is a good one about heeding caution, about following instincts, and about the truth being somewhere other than laying on the surface of things
:twocents-02cents:

THIS, I've wondered lately if all the guys who post these threads and never return are in crab stomachs in the bottom of the Black Sea or something now lol. While we're sending more unwitting victims to their fate...

 

[Just Me]

Was just having a read through the fourm and decided to report back on this topic, since it does seem to be a common question about "falling for a model"

I was a skeptic from the beginning and much of this advice from this post made me more of a skeptic. It was a terrible mistake. Why is it that so many people on this board have bad opinions about Romanian models? I assumed the worse. Just because the model is Romanian does not mean she is a scam artist. Granted, there are scams and fakes without a doubt, but don't assume the worst until you know. I was wrong about her and it almost cost us our friendship.

I assumed she was lying to me, or not being completely honest. I was wrong. She was very honest with me.Every situation is different. I never intended to fall for this girl. I"m not the type to fap and fall in love . Many of these girls are just normal girls making extra money camming while finishing up school. My girl is an independent model. She works from home.. not a studio. My situation is also different, because I'm not so bad of catch. I'm nice looking.. in my 30's. I'm pretty fucking cool too. We connected. We are attracted to each other. We spend hours a day talking on Skype or yahoo. Not shows.. not for tokens.. but because we want to spend time with each other talking. I know her real name. number, facebook. We've stayed on the phone talking for hours. 8 hours one night. Its also her real facebook btw, not some fake page or model page. Family and friends are on it. Pictures with family and friends. Interaction with family and friends on it. So I know it is her real account. We spend hours talking on the phone, cam, or IM. Now, we have most of our interaction is off MFC.

The point of this post wasn't to draw fire from skeptics, but to offer up a little encouragement to those questioning their relationship with a certain mobel. Every sitation will be different. It depends on the model and the member I suppose.
I'm glad I questioned the situation, because now those doubts are behind me. No,MFC is not Eharmony, but many of those girls are good girls making extra money taking off their clothes on cam. That doesn't make them a criminal, a fake, or a scam artist. So do what feels right, but dont' be a dumb ass. Use your head and be sure that you have the facts correct before getting too involved. We are meeting next month in Europe. Both of use are paying our own way there. After meeting in person, we will decide where our relationship goes from there. I'll report back after our visit

I'm sure people will think this is B.S. and I don't really care if they do. You nver know until you try. Find out the facts before passing judgement. THats my biggest regret. She was being straight forward and honest with me the entire time, but I didn't believe her.I regret that the most.

Cool story, but all it does is feed into the delusions some people have. Confirmation bias is a strong psychological effect. The deluded will see this and say, "see it does happen." Of course it happens, sometimes. People win the lottery too. 99.9% of the people that come her asking, can it be it real? Already know the answer in their situation. They really would not be here if they did not have doubts. It is good to be skeptical and any model that has a true interest in the other person would understand and allay those doubts.

 

[HankDank]

I wasn't trying to offer up false encouragement to anyone. I urge to proceed with caution. I know there are plenty of good hearted guys that get taken advantage of. Sure it may be a rare thing that happens, but the biggest mistake I made was not believing what she was telling me. I don't know what will happen tomorrow, but at least I know the feelings are real, she is real and has been honest with me.

 

[schlmoe]

It seems you have made your decision. Good luck! Have a great time!

What about your job? Your most important job? You mentioned that you're a single father. You are in that position either because you are a widower or because you most likely fought like crazy to get custody. It's common knowledge how rare that is, especially if the mother is not bat-shit crazy.

Nothing else can take priority over your child. That is why you work: to provide housing/food/clothes, etc. All of your decisions need to be made with your child in mind. Fine. You are going half way across the world to have some fun. Fine. Great.

What's next? What happens if you and your sweetheart get along? Take the next step? Move in together, get married, all that doves and flowers and crap. Unless this is just a one time thing, and nothing else will come of it.

She comes here, you and your child go over there. What happens when your sweetheart finds that she doesn't like kids? What happens if she LOVES kids, but you and your sweetheart don't get along? The "next step" is fraught with a myriad of possible problems: cultural, language, customs, immigration, financial...and there is a child, too.

Oh, but we get along so good. She's wonderful. That all may be true, and then you might say "it's my life". Then you would be wrong. Your child is your life. Don't I have a right to have fun? Sometimes, no. Sometimes parents don't get to do what they want. That's life. Sometimes life is not fair. Deal with it.

Am I judging you? Yeah. Maybe you and your sweetheart have talked and worked all this out. Maybe your child is old/mature enough to say "go for it". You have to know that even in the best, the best circumstances that re-marriage and step-families have a very tough go. Not all succeed. Some fail so miserably that the effects are felt for years.

I have some experience in this, and I also grew up in a single parent household. My mom was was a single mom with 5 kids. She did what she felt was the right thing, and I am grateful to this day.

Good luck to you and your child!

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I am very glad it seems to be working out for you, you will have some issues with the distance, it is sad to say, but although I'm all happy for true love etc, but distance will make your life difficult and possibly make the relationship cause more hurt than good. I hope this all works out for you.

As for the chances of a member and a cam girl falling for each other.

Models falling for members:
We are approached by hundreds of men each week, those who stick around really like the model, often look after them/give them tips, which is similar to being given presents. If you're a cam girl for a few years and single, it is not that unlikely that you'll get curious about how a member looks, then finding you find them attractive suddenly fairytale plans will be going on in your mind.
For a single model the chances of one falling for/dating one of the members who visit her in the years she cams is actually fairly likely.

Members having a model fall for them:
Take this idea from your mind completely, if you think it might, it will never happen. The chances of the model you like liking you back/being in a position she wants a relationship etc is slim to nothing. It does happen, but the majority of the time she's acting like she likes you because of her job, maybe she does like you but is lonely etc and enjoying the company but will change her mind.

Your post was great, I'm so glad you are one of the people it's worked out for, or at least it currently seems like it's working out for. But you don't want to encourage too many members. Your story is great, you don't sound like a stalker, you sound like a perfectly reasonable guy who had reasonable doubts. But your story also could be read by stalkers/obsessive guys giving them new hope that their dream model really likes them. There is a LOT of crazy loitering mfc and probably lurking in this forum. There are also many camgirls who will play with emotions and those who do scam/want to try and get money etc.

It's a very good thing that you did have doubts from the start. Most of it really applies to any cam girl, yes Romanian and Russian girls do have a reputation that silly American and English guys see their exotic beauty and friendliness and get obsessed/take it too far, and those guys do tend to get scammed. Because as someone said in another post, they're putting themselves in a position they're practically asking for it and therefore going to girls/getting drawn into the girls who will scam.

We all know that Romania as a country has a lot of issues, and that a lot of the scam stories do come from there, but a0Crinna said, not all Romanian girls are like that. You should still be wary, as you should with any cam girl from any culture and you'd be foolish not to think of all possible outcomes including the bad, but also bear in mind, that she's also in the same boat. She could meet up with you and you could be totally different, you could attack/rape her, you could sleep with her then never see her again, all kinds of things. She is a woman, whatever nationality she's from. I am glad you're both going to travel to each other. I'm sorry but what someone said earlier about making her travel to you, I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but you're setting her up for the same, if everyone felt like you no one would meet.

I actually think a lot of guys falling for Romanian models is actually that uk and American girls all tend to be pretty blunt and less ego stroking than european girls. I know that one of the big reasons a lot of guys will choose them over girls from their own countries is because apparently we're all mean and nasty and treat them badly and don't even show anything on camera or do anything etc etc etc. These kind of guys who bitch like that I think also hate the idea of strong women, and like to see "poorer" girls as weaker. This is why they get scammed (more like obsessing and not getting anything out of it), because those "weak" girls aren't weak at all, they're not easily controlled and just waiting for a man to give them some love.

It is NOT only Romanian models who get shit, believe me. But on this forum a large majority of the girls are American/english is their first language, and a lot of the members on here visit girls who english is their first language, so yes, this is not a forum where we're going to see negatives about girls who's first language is english. But those forums are out there!!!

 

[Jupiter551]

It is NOT only Romanian models who get shit, believe me. But on this forum a large majority of the girls are American/english is their first language, and a lot of the members on here visit girls who english is their first language, so yes, this is not a forum where we're going to see negatives about girls who's first language is english. But those forums are out there!!!

A big difference I've noticed is that SPECIFIC American or English girls might run a scam and get called out on it (there was a date raffle one not too many months ago written about on here, American girl I think), but when Eastern Euro girls are brought up it's frequent and it's generalisation. I can't even call to mind a situation where a specific Romanian girl is accused of scamming - it's more like a general attitude that it happens all the time or something.

TL;DR - it would be nice if there was less national and regional generalisation and more specifics.

 

[Just Me]

It is NOT only Romanian models who get shit, believe me. But on this forum a large majority of the girls are American/english is their first language, and a lot of the members on here visit girls who english is their first language, so yes, this is not a forum where we're going to see negatives about girls who's first language is english. But those forums are out there!!!

A big difference I've noticed is that SPECIFIC American or English girls might run a scam and get called out on it (there was a date raffle one not too many months ago written about on here, American girl I think), but when Eastern Euro girls are brought up it's frequent and it's generalisation. I can't even call to mind a situation where a specific Romanian girl is accused of scamming - it's more like a general attitude that it happens all the time or something.

TL;DR - it would be nice if there was less national and regional generalisation and more specifics.

I understand what you are saying, but the generalizations come up because it seems to be a big no no to bring up specific models names. Also, while not exclusive to studios, I have seen more of the date raffles from models that are with studios or have worked with a studio than not. The vast majority of studios appear to be in Eastern Europe/Russia and Colombia (on MFC) and thus the stereotyping. Is it a good thing? Probably not and is generally unfair. We have also all heard about certain areas where we live that are not safe after dark.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

By shit I don't mean on this forum. I see loads of places how American/English women/cam girls are spawn of satan and just sit around on our "fat arses" demanding men to do things, whilst european and asian girls are so sweet and kind and always respect American man in the way he deserves.

Seriously I've read so many posts along these lines. And then you just know a while later they're going to be blaring on about how Romanian girls are scammers blah blah.

I think also the generalisation is more because the facts are that there are more Romanian models who scam than say there are say, English models who scam. Also if you notice, the majority of girls are from europe/russia. Right now there are over half, and this tends to be the norm. Chances are you're going to find more willing to scam when there are so many!

When it's a specific American girl who scams, as in properly, it's usually more of a drama because it's rarer. That's not me being against european girls or pro american girls, it's just fact. There is a pretty good reason why there's this reputation, but a lot of the girls do NOT deserve it.

You think right now there are over 600 girls online from Russia/europe, say 10 of them are scammers. Well that's a lot of scammers, but there are still 600 girls there who are innocently working, but it means that however many guys went into those girls who were scamming, would come back out with stories, making all the other girls look bad. I don't know what the percentage is, who are scammers, who aren't. But especially when there don't appear to be any girls from other nationalities scamming, then yeah, it gives those girls a bad name by default. It is not fair at all. But that sadly is life.

 

[Evvie]

I don't think it has much to do with Romanians.

I think when a lot of people here are all, "don't do that bro," we're thinking about cam models in general.

Very often in the model's only section and from various sources, we hear horror stories from models who are extremely stressed out because a member thinks he's in love with her and is pushing really hard to come visit her, and she doesn't want to hurt him or she can't lose the income by saying "no".

So when I see these stories and I'm all, "don't do that bro," it's because I'm thinking, "save the model!"

When it's a situation where the model is inviting the dude over, well, either do it or don't. I don't remember ever saying, "I encourage you to see any model in the world, unless she lives in Romania because we all know that everyone who lives in Romania is a vampire and evil and she will hurt you."

Sometimes I take in to consideration that there seem to be a lot of studios in Romania, and if a studio might be pressuring her to invite guys over. But a studio from anywhere can do that, it's not like Romanians have a monopoly on seedy pimps.

Oftentimes, it seems like the guys who make these posts have very serious reservations and a lot of doubts about going to see the model, wherever she may be - even if she is inviting him over. If that's the case, then why would I encourage someone to go against their own common sense and do something they're afraid to do?

You yourself said it quite well - MFC is not eHarmony, and it's better to trust your own instincts on the issue.

I feel here at ACF, we will likely never be a "yeah, it sounds like a great idea, go to Europe and meet her!" crowd, and I do not think we should be. I do not think it is wise for any members or models to encourage a member to pursue a webcam model, even if later on they turn out to be the exception to the rule. I do not want to encourage someone to do something that is not necessarily a scam, but may be very painful to them when it (statistically likely) will not work out.

It is hard to judge these things because rarely, if ever, we hear from the model - so without knowing how she feels, the most encouraging thing I will ever say is, "So do what feels right, but dont' be a dumb ass."

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Good post Evvie very very true.

 

[CallMeWilliam]

I have to ask is this just some kind of fetish for some men to talk about? I am starting to feel like I am being used, and not even getting a reach around.

It probably has more to do with the fact that in general men are less likely to talk to people they know about issues when emotions are concerned.

However put them in an environment where they have a group of people that all share the same passion/interests and a certain amount of anonymity they are more likely to talk about those issues. Plus given the fact that almost all men feel that women are more sympathetic towards issues of emotions (let’s face it most guys who post these topics are really only asking for advice from the models).

I am actually surprised there are not more of these topics on the subject.

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