Camming to be featured in Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On

[AudriTwo]

The biggest part of being a cammodel is realizing and coming to terms with you may get outed. Most people choose to cross that bridge when they get to it. Other's decide to be honest and upfront. Think about camming like being gay and being from a religious family. You moved out years ago, but you still keep contact because they are your family. You have your personal life, and your family life. You don't dare to mix both because you know your family wouldn't understand. Yes it's not being 100% honest, but who is 100% honest about their personal life with their family?

Say you post a lot on your Instagram with gay related hashtags. You are putting yourself out there that you as gay publicly. So you should of known better. Now when someone makes that decision themselves to out you to the world, and uses because of your social media presence as a pass to spread your secret to the world. It fucking hurts.

I've been outed for my sexuality and camming on different occasions. I have dealt with the fallout on both ways. I have lost family from it. I have been banned from attending family events probably forever. I have been punished and told that my soul is going to thrown into the eternal lakes of fire. I am responsible for my actions, yes. But so are they. But it's my decision to tell my family, or show them.

What ever happened to respect of privacy? Even if you put it out on a public forum? What happened to having empathy and compassion for your fellow humans?

 

[Guy]

I've been outed for my sexuality and camming on different occasions. I have dealt with the fallout on both ways. I have lost family from it. I have been banned from attending family events probably forever. I have been punished and told that my soul is going to thrown into the eternal lakes of fire. I am responsible for my actions, yes. But so are they.

What ever happened to respect of privacy? Even if you put it out on a public forum? What happened to having empathy and compassion for your fellow humans?

Are they pentecostal?

 

[AudriTwo]

Are they pentecostal?

worse, catholic.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

1. Because I know the guys who filmed the documentary and I know they had to get consent from the sites
2. when they showed the screen they didn't have distinguishable faces showing (hence why they probably didn't have to contact every girl)
3. the issue with the current documentary is they get super close and show the screen for an extended period of time where you can see the girls and recognize who they are.
4. The other guy who mentioned the other documentary failed to put that when they showed the home page it was from a far shot/non recognizable shot- this is why there was no complaints over the previous documentary.
5. Don't you think if they didn't get consent girls should have raised hell?

Took the liberty of formatting your first paragraph, mainly to make my response more coherent.

1. Knowing somebody doesn't count for much here. Getting consent from the sites is not the issue.

2.

Spoiler

These are straight from Cam Girlz
3. Cam Girlz shows more faces clearly, usernames much easier to read as well. Focus and timing are stylistic non-issues unless playback is only in formats that do not allow pausing.
4. Not from what I just watched.
5. I think I don't like this business one bit, showing cam models faces on the camsites unblurred in either documentary. When you leave that camsite and go on Periscope, now you are a Periscope user. Or go on Twitter, now you are a Twitter user.

I just wanted to put it out there that NOT all non sex workers who make documentaries are evil. Thats why I wanted to comment on his mis information.


Edit to Add: I do not agree with what Hot Girls did and I hope they get sued to fuck. Its disgusting and unfair to girls who do not give consent. I completely understand that I could be seen on TV and it's a risk of course BUT I should be able to chose if I get shown on a documentary on fucking Netflix.

With very few exceptions, none of us are evil. Or good. We are both. I am not talking about documentary makers, or sex workers, or any of that. I am talking about individuals.
Fuck evil and good. Cam Girlz and HGW did the same thing, unless Cam Girlz got consent from each and every individual with a clear picture in those screens I just posted.

Maybe you should be able to choose when and how you appear in the media, idk. Don't look like that's the way it works from what I've seen.

worse, catholic.

Well, that explains the sadism.

 

[BiancaBaker]

I've been outed for my sexuality and camming on different occasions. I have dealt with the fallout on both ways. I have lost family from it. I have been banned from attending family events probably forever. I have been punished and told that my soul is going to thrown into the eternal lakes of fire. I am responsible for my actions, yes. But so are they. But it's my decision to tell my family, or show them.

THIS.

Also Im sorry that your family does this (I was fully prepared for what you are going through) thankfully my family is wonderful and supportive and I cringe every time a girl tells this same story. It breaks my heart because you are a wonderful human being and being a sex worker has nothing to do with who YOU are. ::Huge hugs::


Also I could take up close screen shots of what was shown in the documentary too. Im not going to keep arguing with you when you have no real knowledge of the documentary. Anyone that has seen Camgirlz can see that its a completely different documentary and you comparing it to this documentary is not correct.

 

[Guy]

worse, catholic.

Well, that explains the sadism.

All of the Catholic people that I know arent conservative.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

All of the Catholic people that I know arent conservative.

It's not going to matter when they crush your balls Guy.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Also I could take up close screen shots of what was shown in the documentary too. Im not going to keep arguing with you when you have no real knowledge of the documentary. Anyone that has seen Camgirlz can see that its a completely different documentary and you comparing it to this documentary is not correct.

You are not arguing in the first place. You are making claims, some of which I clearly showed to be false. Hide from that if you must.

 

[AudriTwo]

Also Im sorry that your family does this (I was fully prepared for what you are going through) thankfully my family is wonderful and supportive and I cringe every time a girl tells this same story. It breaks my heart because you are a wonderful human being and being a sex worker has nothing to do with who YOU are. ::Huge hugs::

Thank you. The crazy thing is, I still love them and accept them for who they are. I figured if they want me in their life, I will gladly be. I'm just gonna miss a lot of their life and I've cried enough over it. It's their choice not to include me, like how it's my choice to cam.

 

[AudriTwo]

All of the Catholic people that I know arent conservative.

Lol you obviously haven't met a lot of Catholics.

 

[Gen]

Anyone that has seen Camgirlz can see that its a completely different documentary and you comparing it to this documentary is not correct.

It is okay to out girls if it's in a documentary we like!? Saying they're incomparable makes no sense to me. Either it's bad, or it's not. Showing camgirls on camsites with their usernames visible is bad, imo, even if the documentary maker was very nice and made us look good. The content probably wouldn't matter to a girl who got outted.

Arguing that it's okay because it was good or marketed towards only the camming community (lol I'm sure they decided to spend money making a movie for the one group of people who didn't need to see it; I know if I was a filmmaker my goal would be to keep my films as insular as possible) makes it seem like your* issue with the outting in HGW is just a hate-on for the series itself and not actually an issue with girls getting outted.

I don't care if it's a documentary about how GenXoxo is the hottest and most beloved camgirl, I don't want to see screenshots of camsites homepages at all.

Also nobody's confirmed that the Camgirlz people checked with the girls, right? We're just giving them the benefit of the doubt?

* this is a general you, not just Bianca specifically!

 

[justjoinedtopost]

3. Cam Girlz shows more faces clearly, usernames much easier to read as well. Focus and timing are stylistic non-issues unless playback is only in formats that do not allow pausing.

Need to make a correction here.

Trying to gag my way through the putrid mess that is HGW ep. 5 now. Just stumbled across footage of the guy scrolling through the camsite. It is not correct to say Cam Girlz shows more faces clearly, or that usernames are more readable. Corrected point below.

3. Cam Girlz and HGW pretty much do the same thing as far as showing faces/usernames of models working on camsites.

 

[JickyJuly]

Can we at least all agree that the names of both "documentaries" in question are awful? Hehehe.
Spelling with Zs in place of Ss is heinous and "hot girls wanted blah blah blah" give me a break.

 

[AudriTwo]

**Want to add I don't see myself ever as a victim for being outed. Like when confronted, I didn't deny anything and said I was sorry for disappointing or causing them any pain. But know that I'm happy with my job. I thought I dealt with it like a responsible adult. I still have family members that haven't wrote me off, and I'm thankful for them, and love them deeply for it. But when you come from a large close family, it's kinda rough. I think that's why I get upset when I see cammodels potentially being outed. I feel for their pain.


ANYWHOOOOOOOOO BACK ON TOPIC.

 

[AwesomeKate]

I loved working on Camgirlz and am very happy with the end result, however... I remember there being issue with a girl being upset that she appeared in it without consenting. The footage taken of the nude show in the library. The model shown in that clip did not know it would be featured in the documentary and it was ripped from a recording of a stream iirc.

 

[Guy]

I loved working on Camgirlz and am very happy with the end result, however... I remember there being issue with a girl being upset that she appeared in it without consenting. The footage taken of the nude show in the library. The model shown in that clip did not know it would be featured in the documentary and it was ripped from a recording of a stream iirc.

I think the difference is that HGW is on Netflix, and that Camgirlz is not.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

I think the difference is that HGW is on Netflix and that Camgirlz is not.

So then, the issue is about what Netflix should be allowed to show? Not outing cam models without consent?

 

[Gen]

I think the difference is that HGW is on Netflix, and that Camgirlz is not.

Do you think if the director were offered a chance to put Camgirlz on Netflix, he'd say no? I swear he posted that he had one movie on there and was hoping to get Camgirlz on Netflix too but I can't find the post so could be wrong. But again I imagine the goal is always to get more viewers for every film.

Either way I don't see the difference personally (the issue to me is whether they did it at all) but I can see it matters to other people.

 

[Guy]

So then, the issue is about what Netflix should be allowed to show? Not outing cam models without consent?

Im saying that the only reason why the showing of model's content with out their consent on Camgirlz didnt get attention in social media like HGW is because it was never on Netflix.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Lol you obviously haven't met a lot of Catholics.

Like my grandpa, woo-wee is he a hateful, bigoted person. My sister was called "trash" for taking a black friend to prom. I seriously can't come out as gay or a sex worker until he's dead. He also doesn't know that I have a tattoo, my sister has already received his shit opinion on those.

 

[Gen]

Im saying that the only reason why the showing of model's content with out their consent on Camgirlz didnt get attention in social media like HGW is because it was never on Netflix.

Orrrrr because HGW was perceived as whorephobic trash while Camgirlz was seen as affirming art, so one gets immediately trashed for doing the same thing as the other.

I do think the market makes a bit of difference but I bet if I made a Netflix documentary saying camgirls are flawfree angels and did the same thing, there'd be a lot less complaint. (And I think it's fine to be mad that your image is included in something you dislike and don't want to represent BUT that's a different argument than "it's just because of the large vanilla market" imo.)

 

[AwesomeKate]

I think the difference is that HGW is on Netflix, and that Camgirlz is not.

I think the difference is that the outraged camgirls want to be portrayed to the public as healthy, functioning members of society. Sex workers are not outraged at the use of content without consent. At least, not primarily. If they were, then Camgirlz would have caught flack years ago when they did the same thing. This scandal is the weak spot in HGW that people are using to poke holes in the entire production, but it is not the motivation behind the anger. The anger stems from how sex work is being painted for the eyes of the public. I have not watched the new series so I cannot speak on it's tone. Does it paint a bleak picture of sex work? Does it leave people feeling sad that sex is traded for money? Does it seem detached and impersonal, showing the exchange of resources without any value judgements? Does it feel hopeful? Does it show sex workers smiling/laughing while they interact with clients AND when they turn the cam off?

I think it comes down to people wanting art to speak for them. Does it serve their purposes or not? I remember my friends and I getting backlash for mentioning drugs in our scene in Camgirlz because other women thought it 'was irresponsible' and 'reinforced negative stereotypes'. I actually remember one girl telling us, "I was hoping to use this documentary as a way of coming out to my parents and now I can't because of you."

 

[Guy]

Found a good article about the situation.
https://thetab.com/us/usc/2017/04/26/hot-girls-wanted-series-exploits-sex-workers-5195

 

[AudriTwo]

Found a good article about the situation.
https://thetab.com/us/usc/2017/04/26/hot-girls-wanted-series-exploits-sex-workers-5195

Do you have anything to add other then "this is good?"

 

[Guy]

Do you have anything to add other then "this is good?"

I cant think of anything else.

 

[AudriTwo]

I cant think of anything else.

I want you to write a brief article summary on it and give your opinion, the next time you want to share your link. Consider it homework!

 

[justjoinedtopost]

I cant think of anything else.

Try this. Find, idk, 2 things in the article you agree with. Then 2 things you think are complete bullshit.

Frankly, from my perspective, it is a garbage article. Heavy on the melodrama, an intensification of the exaggerated victim routine, more tearjerking woe-is-me.

Is this excerpt from the article accurate? Or is this crying wolf (or rape, if you prefer)? Serious question if anybody can answer it.
"Now, the real names of the sex workers, who go by aliases on the internet, were released and footage of their performances have been streamed to a global audience of millions."

 

[heybarkeep]

Found a good article about the situation.
https://thetab.com/us/usc/2017/04/26/hot-girls-wanted-series-exploits-sex-workers-5195

We spoke to the sex workers who were non-consensually included in the docu-series

Hot Girls Wanted, a new Netflix series released on April 21 addresses how technology has normalized the exploitation of sex workers … by exploiting sex workers. The series is a sequel to the 2015 documentary of the same name which followed five female amateur porn stars in Florida.

Despite seemingly feminist intentions, and with Parks and Recreation star Rashida Jones joining the production team on the docu-series, the women-dominated team of producers used numerous online clips of sex performers throughout the series without informing the porn stars.

“I had to find out about it when a fellow model told me,” cam performer Effy Elizabeth told babe. “No heads-up or anything.”

Sex workers Effy Elizabeth and Autumn Kayy‘s Periscope stream on MyFreeCams.com was included in the Netflix series without their consent. Despite the documentary aiming to expose a lack of women empowerment in the pornography industry, Elizabeth felt belittled by the series itself as it portrayed her and Kayy as “just teenagers playing online.”

“[Netflix] couldn’t care to blur random footage they found or try contacting the people’s footage that they used,” Elizabeth said. “Just seems very careless and lazy.”

Fellow sex worker Gia Paige volunteered to be included in the show but backed out after producers started asking her about family matters. According to her Twitter account, the producers agreed to cut Paige’s part in the series after they made her feel uncomfortable.

Despite her wishes to be expelled from the series completely, show-runners still opted to use Paige’s footage.

“They essentially outed [Effy] as a sex worker which is extremely dangerous for us,” Kayy said. “It’s completely wrong to take a sex workers’ streams and use them without asking their permission first.”

Kayy replied with her email address to the Hot Girls Wanted account like they requested, but she has not heard from them since. While waiting for further explanation of the supposed fair use, the cam performers are dealing with repercussions of being exposed on a global level. Prior to the series, their audiences were niche and contained to tens of thousands of followers on social media.

Now, the real names of the sex workers, who go by aliases on the internet, were released and footage of their performances have been streamed to a global audience of millions.

Your unwavering adamance toward providing just a link and zero context is almost admirable at this point.

 

[AudriTwo]

Try this. Find, idk, 2 things in the article you agree with. Then 2 things you think are complete bullshit.

Frankly, from my perspective, it is a garbage article. Heavy on the melodrama, an intensification of the exaggerated victim routine, more tearjerking woe-is-me.

Is this excerpt from the article accurate? Or is this crying wolf (or rape, if you prefer)? Serious question if anybody can answer it.
"Now, the real names of the sex workers, who go by aliases on the internet, were released and footage of their performances have been streamed to a global audience of millions."

Notice they quoted me.. I found it a little ironic they didn't contact me. LOL.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Like my grandpa, woo-wee is he a hateful, bigoted person. My sister was called "trash" for taking a black friend to prom. I seriously can't come out as gay or a sex worker until he's dead. He also doesn't know that I have a tattoo, my sister has already received his shit opinion on those.

Posts like this remind me how happy I am to be a cold hearted cunt who doesn't give a fuck about family unless they are actually decent humans.