Choking Ban UK

[Vixxen81]

Heads up buttercups, UK banning choking in porn so go ahead and get that off your menus if it's there. Not sure the official date as I only skimmed the article but I think it's a good idea to start weening your viewers off of it if it is something you offer.

 

[Maxi]

No date as of yet.

“The Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (DSIT) said the change would make choking in pornography a "priority offence" under the Online Safety Act, putting it on the same level as child sexual abuse material and terrorism content.”

 

[Vixxen81]

JFC

 

[ts_cammer98]

hmmm....

I'm into and I do some pretty extreme things. I have defiantly met a few people that have totally misinterpreted degradation kinks and such. However, I'm part of a fairly large circle of people locally that do not have issues with misinterpreting this stuff. There is plenty of safe and consensual activities in porn and sex going on that I think the outside world mostly misunderstands. Education people! I think the bigger problem is the fact there is something that is considered taboo, yet everyone fucking does it and deep down likes it. Then since the majority categorizes it as taboo and no one talks about kink or masturbation even, misinterpretations and real problems come from the silence. There is literally lots of people in every gender group that desires to be degraded and also people that desire to be the one degrading. Its play, its fiction, its not real. Yes there are people that don't see that, and a lot of them hold some very disgusting opinions. I don't know if criminalizing something many enjoy is the way to go about it though. Nobody wants to teach anyone sex, and kink just seems entirely off the table. I understand the whole banning because you know monkey see, monkey do. But if monkey doesn't understand the kink or the consent, monkey is going to do what their brain sees and ignore what they are actually seeing.

Spoiler: Some TMI for some

I have been choked, pissed on, spit on, tied down, safely slapped around with a hood on (nothing too crazy, I actually have a low pain tolerance lmao BUT THEY ALL RESPECT THAT) and I don't feel like any of my partners or even the person I'm in a "daddy" relationship with think less of me as a person. When playtime is over, playtime is over.

 

[Vixxen81]

I'll be dead to rights honest -- I love a light choking. But I have never liked seeing it done to someone else. It feels like I'm watching something so intimate it's almost a violation of their privacy.

I also have an email exchange with an online friend of mine who was absolutely shaken to the core when she hooked up with a guy and mid thrust he went for her throat. I was able to get her calm and rational enough to send him text messages demanding he never do that to another woman he hooks up with without getting consent first. She still talks about it to this day and this happened 6 years ago.

 

[MarieElise]

I love it. But I wouldn't say I love it light. So I guess these rules are for people like me. However I thought it was always banned? Somebody probably told me, and lied to me, because they saw it in me that I would take it too far. And they are absolutely right, I probably would if it wasn't banned. Much as I love it, I'm so glad it's banned on main stream. There are too many people like me who would take it too far. I'm really sorry we ruined it for the rest of you though. Truly.

It gets really addicting and you get to the point that the strength of the orgasm matters more than anything else, and you literally would just go ahead for it. I was way into it, I used to go to work with those pechunia things, or whatever they are called, and I used to have guys direct me with thick leather belts. That could have easily gotten to a point where it went way too far. And I would have totally lied about being home alone. So in this instance, I'll admit it, people like me ruined it for the rest of you and I'm very sorry about that.

ETA; petechiae

 

[Vixxen81]

I love it. But I wouldn't say I love it light. So I guess these rules are for people like me. However I thought it was always banned? Somebody probably told me, and lied to me, because they saw it in me that I would take it too far. And they are absolutely right, I probably would if it wasn't banned. Much as I love it, I'm so glad it's banned on main stream. There are too many people like me who would take it too far. I'm really sorry we ruined it for the rest of you though. Truly.

I think you can do it to yourself on CB as long as it's not with restraints or ropes. I see it all the time.

I don't agree that it is on the level with abuse of minors. That's a bridge too far in my mind.

 

[MarieElise]

I don't agree that it is on the level with abuse of minors. That's a bridge too far in my mind.

Yes I agree with you on that. I understand why they are so worried about it though. Guys like the guy your friend was with, watch it in porn and assume every woman is into it. Because you know, every woman is the same (/s).

And domestic abusers do it, and it's one of the number one indicators of danger level with domestic abuse. If the offender regularly chokes/ choked the survivor during angry fits, due to loss of control.

So, yes, it's ridiculous to classify it that way. But it has a lot of different meanings across different contexts.

So people just don't want to deal with it, they just want to sweep it under the rug, like everything else, because it's easier for lazy and low intellect people to do. Then the religious ones can even go as far as to blame it on God, instead of taking responsibility for their own closed mindedness, laziness and fear. But I digress.

Thanks for sharing the CB info.

 

[Marceline]

Honestly, with all the proposed legislation surrounding the adult industry it’s not surprising.

If I’m remembering correctly, a while back a cam girl passed away when she was doing a choking show. The member absolutely knew what he was doing and didn’t even try to contact authorities or the site to get her help. I think he was charged, or at the very least investigated, and they found snuff films on his laptop which makes it pretty obvious it was his intention for her to accidentally kill herself. After that, I want to say her family was really trying to get laws banning choking passed.

I do agree that it is absolutely wild to put choking content on the same level as CP. The two are not equatable… at all.

I’m wondering if this would also mean you can’t do pov choking. Like, when you’re not choking yourself, but choking the viewer (basically just holding your hands up to the camera). I’d assume not, but who knows. I have a regular who gets exclusive customs like this, and even one where I have put my hand around my own neck in a simulated self choking way. All done safely and consensually from my own home. It’s crazy to think that could end up being illegal.

 

[Hildiesub]

I'm pretty sure that choking is a pretty good way to run into the old "Banned for no known reason" type issue, new British law or not. I mean choking for tips isn't such a good idea for anyone. How is some monitor going to know who is doing it carefully and who is playing a dangerous game to outdo competition? In the years and years that I've spent in the endless classes that the BDSM community is so fond of, my take away was that there is pretty much no safe level of asphyxiation play. The fact that it can give a high makes it only the more dangerous. This law isn't going to make me too upset depending on how much gray area it makes. Marceline's description of putting hands up to the camera in a simulated choke of the viewer sounds really fun and it would be totally stupid for that to be a problem. I have to say, I found it amusingly funny imagining it.

 

[Vixxen81]

Yet shit like this still exists and that we have to put up with:

pantyhosefagg

No one's priorities are in the right place when it comes to these laws/decisions/governing of websites. Have they even spoken to any reps in our industry or any of us personally? Just bullshit studies and lobbyists...

Edit to add: I think what we're all upset about is the penalty in play.

 

[misterical]

I'm in two minds about this one. Consenting adults who do it safely etc then I guess like anything that's up to them. On the other hand, you don't want teenaged boys seeing it and thinking it's normal either.

However, this is where it all goes to shit:

The original part of the Online Safety Act was meant to prevent kids from accessing porn in the first place. Adding additional legislation just proves that all it did was teach kids how to use VPNs. Lets be honest, parents were putting measures in place to prevent their kids accessing porn, usually at an ISP/Router level. Teenagers are smart as fuck though and had already found a way around that so when the government came along with their policy, they were already set up to circumvent it.

And putting it at the same level as Terrorism and Sexual Abuse? That seems heavy handed to be fair. Both of those things are terrible and should be illegal but given that they are still prevalent, it's safe to say that legislation is not as effective as they would perhaps hope it would be.

 

[Maxi]

I'm in two minds about this one. Consenting adults who do it safely etc then I guess like anything that's up to them. On the other hand, you don't want teenaged boys seeing it and thinking it's normal either.

However, this is where it all goes to shit:

The original part of the Online Safety Act was meant to prevent kids from accessing porn in the first place. Adding additional legislation just proves that all it did was teach kids how to use VPNs. Lets be honest, parents were putting measures in place to prevent their kids accessing porn, usually at an ISP/Router level. Teenagers are smart as fuck though and had already found a way around that so when the government came along with their policy, they were already set up to circumvent it.

And putting it at the same level as Terrorism and Sexual Abuse? That seems heavy handed to be fair. Both of those things are terrible and should be illegal but given that they are still prevalent, it's safe to say that legislation is not as effective as they would perhaps hope it would be.

What do expect when Nadine Dorries was the Bill’s author? It was never going to be fit for purpose.

 

[Maxi]

 

[stormythunder]

I don't agree that it is on the level with abuse of minors. That's a bridge too far in my mind.

It is really rich to see this claim be made by them while at the same time UK based associates of Epstein are walking around free lol. I have a hard time believing CSA matters to these decisions makers.