Encouraging tipping

[happyguy]

Maybe this has been discussed before...

I am a knight for several models and I get so frustrated when one user does all the tipping and brings (sometimes) hundreds of other users with tokens into the room and they just sit by and watch for free.

What (polite) words can I say in public chat to encourage the others?

Any suggestions gratefully received. Thank you

 

[Natural9]

In that situation my guess is most of them have held onto one token to keep from going gray again. There are some serious freeloaders on SC that just bounce from room to room watching for free with their one token.

Not much you can say nice or otherwise that will make them tip.

 

[Maxi]

The best thing you can do is also tip.

 

[Smoothie]

The best thing you can do is also tip.

This.

As a mod/knight, the more active you are in chat, especially if you’re confronting other members (even if they deserve it), the more harm you’re doing to the room “vibe” than good.

If a member is capable of being convinced to tip (and many just are not capable, no matter what you say or do), the best way to do that is through example.

 

[rockin_rod]

I get so frustrated when one user does all the tipping

How does the model feel about it? That's all that matters, not how you feel.
And as already mentioned, you could join in and tip also.

 

[KingMarti]

Maybe this has been discussed before...

I am a knight for several models and I get so frustrated when one user does all the tipping and brings (sometimes) hundreds of other users with tokens into the room and they just sit by and watch for free.

What (polite) words can I say in public chat to encourage the others?

Any suggestions gratefully received. Thank you

The way you have worded this makes it seem like you are part of the problem that is causing your own frustration. If you are also there why would there only be one person tipping?

 

[Smoothie]

How does the model feel about it? That's all that matters, not how you feel.

Another excellent point. If the model has no problem with her other visitors, then you’d be creating more problems by antagonizing them. Even the non-tippers.

Keep in mind that a negative atmosphere in the chat can chase away the tippers, too, if they don’t like drama. Or if they don’t like mods/knights in general.

I don’t know which kind of user does more damage to a room’s activity, between an over-involved mod/knight or a silent non-tipper. But personally, the former irritates me a lot more than the latter, when I’m visiting a model’s room.

 

[misterical]

Maybe this has been discussed before...

I am a knight for several models and I get so frustrated when one user does all the tipping and brings (sometimes) hundreds of other users with tokens into the room and they just sit by and watch for free.

What (polite) words can I say in public chat to encourage the others?

Any suggestions gratefully received. Thank you

As has been said, you should also tip. It helps give the impression that it's everyone's job to tip, even if it's just a little. Because if you don't then you're just freeloading off that one guy (and the model) the same as the others, so you're in no position to criticise.

I have to say, I get an icky feeling when I encounter guys who moderate for multiple models. I've seen these guys too many times and the pattern always seems to be the same. Guys moderating for mutliple models, all of whom have low traffic and often are new to the page. Usually it's guys who can't get close to that many models with the power of tokens alone and it's a little exploitative. Usually these guys don't tip or tip very little (essentially because they are spread across so many models and it would get expensive).

I'm not saying that's you OP but as soon as I read "several models", that's the thing that comes to mind. Generally it's not healthy in my opinion.

 

[GaijinJJ]

From a user standpoint: you need to keep in mind that they have no idea why you are doing this and it’s better off that way.
They come here to forget how neglected they feel from their spouse/gf/bf so all parties check their problems at the door.

Respect the room rules, and most importantly ,each other. If you can’t
then leave or prepared to be kicked.

Don’t demand and be grateful of what you do get. Everyone is struggling these days.A positive experience increases the likelihood of repeat business and increases the size of your customer base.
All businesses need to do this to succeed.

 

[misterical]

From a user standpoint: you need to keep in mind that they have no idea why you are doing this and it’s better off that way.
They come here to forget how neglected they feel from their spouse/gf/bf so all parties check their problems at the door.

Respect the room rules, and most importantly ,each other. If you can’t
then leave or prepared to be kicked.

Don’t demand and be grateful of what you do get. Everyone is struggling these days.A positive experience increases the likelihood of repeat business and increases the size of your customer base.
All businesses need to do this to succeed.

BIt of Monday mansplaining.

 

[misterical]

From a user standpoint: you need to keep in mind that they have no idea why you are doing this and it’s better off that way.
They come here to forget how neglected they feel from their spouse/gf/bf so all parties check their problems at the door.

Respect the room rules, and most importantly ,each other. If you can’t
then leave or prepared to be kicked.

Don’t demand and be grateful of what you do get. Everyone is struggling these days.A positive experience increases the likelihood of repeat business and increases the size of your customer base.
All businesses need to do this to succeed.

Now imagine this kind of thing, without corresponding tips, spread across 10 models with low traffic and who are relatively new and the earlier point I was making should come into sharp focus.

 

[Schnauzevoll]

From a user standpoint: you need to keep in mind that they have no idea why you are doing this and it’s better off that way.
They come here to forget how neglected they feel from their spouse/gf/bf so all parties check their problems at the door.

Respect the room rules, and most importantly ,each other. If you can’t
then leave or prepared to be kicked.

Don’t demand and be grateful of what you do get. Everyone is struggling these days.A positive experience increases the likelihood of repeat business and increases the size of your customer base.
All businesses need to do this to succeed.

be grateful for what you get goes both ways. i dont work for free.

 

[happyguy]

Thanks everyone for your comments. Really interesting.

Of course I should have been clearer about my own part in this.

Several = 3

And yes I do tip consistently when I am in the room - that “one user” is often me. I get this. Being knighted has been a result of my consistently supporting the models in question over a long period of time.

In each case it is the model who has expressed her frustration to me and the other knights at this situation.

I don’t know whether these are low traffic rooms or not. 50 low to 400 + users when things are going well is about the norm.

And I agree there is something so cringey about going into a room with puffed up knights saying things like “come on guys let’s all help this lovely model” or worse still referring to the users as “gentlemen”. “Please refer to the tip menu gentlemen”!

I think the two things I have taken on board from the comments so far are: 1. A lot of the bystanders are in no position to tip. 2. Helping to create good vibes in a room more likely to achieve a better financial outcome than any lame pleas for help in public chat.

 

[Vixxen81]

I feel like moderators should reinforce tipping by tipping AFTER someone else does, not before. And certainly never on someone else's behalf. I see this all the time. Stop it, if anyone is doing this. It just encourages them to not tip.

 

[MarieElise]

.A positive experience increases the likelihood of repeat business and increases the size of your customer base.
All businesses need to do this to succeed.

How long have you been a cam model for then?
Before that, how long were you a sex worker for?
How long have you been running a self-employeed business?
Where did you get your business degree?

Don't make me fucking laugh with this pompous, condescending bullshit.
Zip it with the over-generalized, crap advice, when you have no clue what you're talking about. It's rude.
And you wouldn't do it on a forum, for a male-dominated field.

 

[honeybee]

Since one person assumes both roles, it's important to remember that tipping is the user's responsibility, not the Mod/Knight's. Of course, it’s perfectly fine for you to tip as a user whenever you want to, but as a Mod/Knight, your role should be to observe the situation from a broader perspective.

I don’t think the model expects you, as a Mod/Knight, to single-handedly try to liven up the room by tipping. What the model expects from a Mod/Knight is to act as an intermediary between the model, the users, and the competitive situation, and to present various options for the model to choose from. If the model is uncertain about what to do, it's crucial for the Mod/Knight to present various options—from immediate solutions to long-term strategies—so that the model can make the final decision.

If, when the model faces a tough situation, the Mod/Knight doesn't provide any options, then I believe they are failing in their role.

 

[KingMarti]

Since one person assumes both roles, it's important to remember that tipping is the user's responsibility, not the Mod/Knight's. Of course, it’s perfectly fine for you to tip as a user whenever you want to, but as a Mod/Knight, your role should be to observe the situation from a broader perspective.

I don’t think the model expects you, as a Mod/Knight, to single-handedly try to liven up the room by tipping. What the model expects from a Mod/Knight is to act as an intermediary between the model, the users, and the competitive situation, and to present various options for the model to choose from. If the model is uncertain about what to do, it's crucial for the Mod/Knight to present various options—from immediate solutions to long-term strategies—so that the model can make the final decision.

If, when the model faces a tough situation, the Mod/Knight doesn't provide any options, then I believe they are failing in their role.

If a mod does anything you said I would say they are failing their role and not only that they will have a noticeable negative impact on the room. A mod is a user, because you are a mod does not make you better than anyone else in the room. If I ever caught one of my mods trying to be an intermediary between me and the members in my room they would instantly be perma banned from the room. The only job for a mod is to lead by example.

 

[honeybee]

If a mod does anything you said I would say they are failing their role and not only that they will have a noticeable negative impact on the room. A mod is a user, because you are a mod does not make you better than anyone else in the room. If I ever caught one of my mods trying to be an intermediary between me and the members in my room they would instantly be perma banned from the room. The only job for a mod is to lead by example.

It seems there may have been a bit of confusion. Is it acceptable for users who are not mods/knights to behave in a non-exemplary way? It is not that mods/knights must be exemplary, but rather that all users should behave in an exemplary manner, right? Being exemplary is not a special duty given to mods/knights; all users should bear this responsibility.

With that in mind, what I wanted to convey is that the role of mods/knights is that of a "conduit." The job of a mod/knight is to provide the model with the necessary information to make decisions and to present various options. It is also important to convey the mood of many other users to the model. Ultimately, the model should make the final decision, and mods/knights are merely there to support that decision-making process.

 

[KingMarti]

With that in mind, what I wanted to convey is that the role of mods/knights is that of a "conduit."

No, a mod is a user just like any other. A mod is not a conduit, they are not in a position to offer the model any advice (unless you have been a cam model). Mods have no place in making business decisions because they are not a part of the models business, the only thing a mod needs to do in a show is tip and enjoy the show, same as any other member, unless they have been specifically asked to do more by the model.

 

[honeybee]

No, a mod is a user just like any other. A mod is not a conduit, they are not in a position to offer the model any advice (unless you have been a cam model). Mods have no place in making business decisions because they are not a part of the models business, the only thing a mod needs to do in a show is tip and enjoy the show, same as any other member, unless they have been specifically asked to do more by the model.

I’ve already written that moderators/knights and users are in the same position, right? Becoming a moderator/knight doesn’t mean they stop being a user. I’ve mentioned that they’re just playing two roles at once, so I agree that moderators/knights are still users.

Next, I think you’ve written that moderators/knights shouldn’t be involved in the model’s business, but I’m not denying that either. I’ve only stated that they should be a source of information. We do agree that moderators/knights shouldn’t be giving orders or guidance to the model, right?

Finally, if the role of a moderator or knight is only to enjoy the show, then I don’t see any reason to have moderators or knights at all. What do you think is the reason why many models choose to have moderators and knights?

 

[AudriTwo]

Finally, if the role of a moderator or knight is only to enjoy the show, then I don’t see any reason to have moderators or knights at all. What do you think is the reason why many models choose to have moderators and knights?

i mean, there really isnt a reason to have them at all other than possibly extending loyal members' shelf life by making them feel important. models are capable of handling their on chat. especially with bots.

I'm just curious how did those users become mods/knights if there wasn't some trusted relationship because that member spent a good amount of money, not just time.

 

[Smoothie]

What do you think is the reason why many models choose to have moderators and knights?

It could be any reason a model wants, and it may have nothing to do with needing your help.

One model I used to visit would make her most frequent tippers moderators. That way, she could spot them easier when they visited, because they’d be color-coded in red.

That was it. She didn’t want them to actually moderate. She just wanted to keep a closer eye on her spenders. It was a useful way for her to “brand” her biggest marks.

 

[honeybee]

i mean, there really isnt a reason to have them at all other than possibly extending loyal members' shelf life by making them feel important. models are capable of handling their on chat. especially with bots.

I'm just curious how did those users become mods/knights if there wasn't some trusted relationship because that member spent a good amount of money, not just time.

I understand what you're saying about the role of mods/knights potentially just being to make loyal members feel important. However, in my experience, it wasn't just about spending money or time. The reason I was trusted, even more than those who spent more, was that I tried to provide value through perspective shifts and useful information. It wasn't about being overbearing or dismissive—it was about helping the model think through things effectively. So, I think trust can come from the way you engage, not just from financial contributions. In fact, I just enjoyed having conversations with the model, which I think helped build that trust.

It could be any reason a model wants, and it may have nothing to do with needing your help.

One model I used to visit would make her most frequent tippers moderators. That way, she could spot them easier when they visited, because they’d be color-coded in red.

That was it. She didn’t want them to actually moderate. She just wanted to keep a closer eye on her spenders. It was a useful way for her to “brand” her biggest marks.

Indeed, the reasons why models choose to have moderators and knights can vary, and it’s true that it doesn’t necessarily have to be about needing help. The example you gave, where a model would make their most frequent tippers moderators to easily spot them by color-coding them in red, is a very practical approach. It’s an effective way to visually distinguish the users who contribute the most. However, while this is practical, I personally find it unfortunate to use moderators and knights only in that way, as I believe they can play a more valuable role in supporting the relationship between the model and the users.

 

[misterical]

Since one person assumes both roles, it's important to remember that tipping is the user's responsibility, not the Mod/Knight's. Of course, it’s perfectly fine for you to tip as a user whenever you want to, but as a Mod/Knight, your role should be to observe the situation from a broader perspective.

I don’t think the model expects you, as a Mod/Knight, to single-handedly try to liven up the room by tipping. What the model expects from a Mod/Knight is to act as an intermediary between the model, the users, and the competitive situation, and to present various options for the model to choose from. If the model is uncertain about what to do, it's crucial for the Mod/Knight to present various options—from immediate solutions to long-term strategies—so that the model can make the final decision.

If, when the model faces a tough situation, the Mod/Knight doesn't provide any options, then I believe they are failing in their role.

What is this madness?

 

[KingMarti]

I’ve already written that moderators/knights and users are in the same position, right? Becoming a moderator/knight doesn’t mean they stop being a user. I’ve mentioned that they’re just playing two roles at once, so I agree that moderators/knights are still users.

Except you do seem to think there is a differance, you seem to think that for some reason if you become a mod you should no longer be tipping in a room.

remember that tipping is the user's responsibility, not the Mod/Knight's.

I’ve only stated that they should be a source of information

How can you give information on something where you dont understand the details of what is going on?

What do you think is the reason why many models choose to have moderators and knights?

There is no reason for a model to have mods other than to encourage loyalty because of how many guys see it as a status symbol. When you say things like tipping is the users responsibility not the mods you take the trust that the model has given you and throw it in their face.

 

[Maxi]

If a member isn’t tipping, regardless if they’re mod/knight, they shouldn’t be in the room. End of.

It’s embarrassing watching mods/knights in the public chat trying to get other members to tip while not tipping a token themselves.

I’m a ‘knight’ in a room because I tip well. The model makes other members ‘knights’ that tip over a certain threshold. If they stop tipping, they get booted.

Any other reason is just a delusion on the members’ part.

 

[KingMarti]

If a member isn’t tipping, regardless if they’re mod/knight, they shouldn’t be in the room. End of.

It’s embarrassing watching mods/knights in the public chat trying to get other members to tip while not tipping a token themselves.

I’m a ‘knight’ in a room because I tip well. The model makes other members ‘knights’ that tip over a certain threshold. If they stop tipping, they get booted.

Any other reason is just a delusion on the members’ part.

Are knights on SC able to send PM's without having to request them?

Personally that's the only reason I gave people Mod on cb was because they tipped well and giving them mod meant that they could start a PM conversation without me having to do it. I honestly cant think of anything worse than having a member running my chat while I'm not looking (as in the silencing people) outside of a studio setting it really dosnt make sense and giving that ability to a member opens up too much room for jealousy and abuse.

 

[Natural9]

On SC you must be an ultimate member (level 80 or higher) to be a knight but as an ultimate member you can PM anyone on the site so being a knight is not necessary to send a PM.. edit ... or pay for ultimate mebership monthly

 

[Maxi]

Are knights on SC able to send PM's without having to request them?

Personally that's the only reason I gave people Mod on cb was because they tipped well and giving them mod meant that they could start a PM conversation without me having to do it. I honestly cant think of anything worse than having a member running my chat while I'm not looking (as in the silencing people) outside of a studio setting it really dosnt make sense and giving that ability to a member opens up too much room for jealousy and abuse.

As long as you’re an ‘Ultimate’ member on SC, then you can PM any model and be approved as a ‘knight’.

If a model has made a member a ‘knight’ then it’s a safe bet that PMs have led to it. A model on SC can message any member who has visited their room and if they’re tipping big then that’s going to happen, I guess.

The model I follow made one member a knight who wanted to ‘help her’ by just policing the public chat but he didn’t last very long.

 

[KingMarti]

On SC you must be an ultimate member (level 80 or higher) to be a knight but as an ultimate member you can PM anyone on the site so being a knight is not necessary to send a PM.. edit ... or pay for ultimate mebership monthly

I ban a lot of ultimate members for this, there's a difference when someone has offered you their time to taking it. Since PM is a tip menu option for me, first time they PM without tipping, verbal warning, 2nd pm without tipping written warning, 3rd pm with out tipping ban. I find it disrespectful when people think that they pay someone who isnt me that they get free access to something that I charge for. It actually annoys me that sites include the ability to PM as part of their subscription service because they are selling you something they dont own (the models attention).