"Fog" Growing on MFC?

[nerdguy]

I saw this in one of amber's tweets, and then in frankie's. Frankie kind of explained it to me, but it seems like it's an epidemic that's slowly spreading on MFC. Would any model care to explain it? Basically a fog of silence in some of the rooms, or something of the sort . I would really like to do my part to help things get more lively in rooms for you lovely ladies.

 

[AmberCutie]

It's like conversation can carry on as usual, but most members are blind to what's happening on screen. They're looking through a fog, and don't see the girl dancing, shaking her ass, being sexy and entertaining the viewers... they forget she is there not only as a fun hobby, but... to make some tokens.

A good 30 min period of time went by with just one person tossing tips here and there tonight. I shook my boobies, got up and danced, got energetic to the music... *crickets* in terms of tokens.

I think sometimes the fog makes people very quiet, too, but tonight for me it was just token flow.

 

[Eva_ChangeN]

It is a fog...even Mila and her 2 naked girly friends were getting crickets with 700+ viewers when I stopped in... I dunno.... They were all over each other naked, and the guys were just like.... "uhhhhhhh"

 

[Rose]

it's always been pretty slow in my room but it's been extra worse lately. no talkers, no tippers, no one participating in general. and the "show ass bb" comments when i'm already showing my ass have been getting significantly worse. it's weird.....it's like my slut skills are worse than normal.

 

[SatanJonez]

It's like conversation can carry on as usual, but most members are blind to what's happening on screen. They're looking through a fog, and don't see the girl dancing, shaking her ass, being sexy and entertaining the viewers... they forget she is there not only as a fun hobby, but... to make some tokens.

A good 30 min period of time went by with just one person tossing tips here and there tonight. I shook my boobies, got up and danced, got energetic to the music... *crickets* in terms of tokens.

I think sometimes the fog makes people very quiet, too, but tonight for me it was just token flow.

This. Although, as the night went on, mine got A LOT better in both respects. A hint of the fog had me terrified though. After hearing so much about it & never really seeing much of it, even a glimpse was more than enough.

 

[Jupiter551]

If it's spreading, top priority needs to be to locate and isolate the vector.

 

[SatanJonez]

If it's spreading, top priority needs to be to locate and isolate the vector.

I've seen something similar before & have an idea of the man source, but refuse to open my mouth on the subject because it feels a lot like being a giant fucking bitch to say what I'd like to. Either way, it'll bounce back by Nov at the latest.


P.s.; I feel like that sounds like I'm some weird cam exorcist. I swear, I'm not.

 

[Jupiter551]

Interesting...I'm trying to think of significant events in November.

 

[AngelAndrea]

Interesting...I'm trying to think of significant events in November.

Everyone's stressed about local elections.

 

[tightlockup]

I do think that sometimes people get so entranced with what they are watching that they don't think about tipping. That's the vast minority - most people are broke or just cheap bastards.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I do think that sometimes people get so entranced with what they are watching that they don't think about tipping. That's the vast minority - most people are broke or just cheap bastards.

Or they're expecting the model to just start fucking themselves at the drop of a hat because so many others do.

 

[JessicaLapin]

the fog..the mist..people just sit around and stare..srsly what ups with that? At least chat! :lol:

 

[lordmagellan]

the fog..the mist..people just sit around and stare..srsly what ups with that? At least chat! :lol:

Personally, I'm waiting for acid spiders.

 

[BloodRed87]

My :twocents-02cents:

I really think that since public shows are on the rise on MFC, it really has jaded a good majority of the members.

This seems to be their step-by-step procedure:
1. Drop in a models room
2. Don't tip, chat much or none at all
3. Wait for tips or a monster tip to come in
4. Wait for their free show

MFC = Many Fucking Cheap-asses

Sorry to be so brutal, but it's just the way how I see things.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

My :twocents-02cents:

I really think that since public shows are on the rise on MFC, it really has jaded a good majority of the members.

This seems to be their step-by-step procedure:
1. Drop in a models room
2. Don't tip, chat much or none at all
3. Wait for tips or a monster tip to come in
4. Wait for their free show

MFC = Many Fucking Cheap-asses

Sorry to be so brutal, but it's just the way how I see things.

I think you've nailed it. I've said it before- the more free shows given, the less money MFC is going to make because fewer people will be inclined to buy tokens and just mooch off of everyone else. I know I wouldn't be buying tokens if I didn't have to pay to watch Amber do a cum show. But she doesn't do that in public. So I buy the tokens.

 

[Bocefish]

I'll be honestly blunt and wish no disrespect to any of the models/camwhores...

Most of my absolute favorites have left MFC for one reason or another. There are very few models I want to engage in conversation with anymore because of the intense competition for the almighty token/camscore equation.

Having been around for a while... I now feel pressured that if I enter a room, there is the unspoken rule I need to tip because I've been around for a while. I'm not even close to being well off, nor am I that rude bastard (well... most of the time) but I do tip when I can and most model/camwhore friends know that.

It's a biz and offering my lowly 3/5ths of a token's worth for you to take however you want.

 

[FifthElephant]

Most of my absolute favorites have left MFC for one reason or another.

Merely free cumshows.

I've noticed this too, in several models rooms, some of which I frequent, and some I drop in occasionally.
These are models that do more than simply get down to it every 10 minutes.

In the past, they've done OK, with reasonable camscores - 5-10K perhaps, and a fair amount of room traffic.

Since a month or two ago, with the rise of public cumshows, traffic has dropped off, especially when you've got two or three free shows happening on the top row of the homepage.

To some extent - fair enough - models with more attractive 'acts' will get more viewers.

In another, I question how good this is for MFC in the long run.
I first hit MFC back in September 09, and tipped a couple of models after free shows.
I then rapidly got bored, and stopped visiting the site.

With the increasing 'samey-ness' of the top models, somewhat driven by 'most popular rooms' it seems to be in all of these rooms to be feeling the effects of users being trained that they just need to throw in one or ten tokens every once in a while, and not participate in any other way.

I guess the question is something that we can't answer.
How does new user retention look like after 30 days last year and now.

 

[QueenMeadow]

I'll be honestly blunt and wish no disrespect to any of the models/camwhores...

Most of my absolute favorites have left MFC for one reason or another. There are very few models I want to engage in conversation with anymore because of the intense competition for the almighty token/camscore equation.

Having been around for a while... I now feel pressured that if I enter a room, there is the unspoken rule I need to tip because I've been around for a while. I'm not even close to being well off, nor am I that rude bastard (well... most of the time) but I do tip when I can and most model/camwhore friends know that.

It's a biz and offering my lowly 3/5ths of a token's worth for you to take however you want.

I don't think many would be offended, I'm not.

That's one reason why I ended up leaving MFC. I couldn't NOT think of the damn score, and how it would drop if I didn't hustle, but truth be told, I'm not a hustler. No good at it. Honestly, I suck ass at it. I need to hang out and talk and get people interested in ME so that they can open up on things that they would want from me. Unfortunately I felt the time crunch on MFC about that.
So, long story short, being in sites that don't do it that way keep me less grumpy.

I've a certain gentleman from this very site. We chat for months without anything, and thats fine. It makes me feel even more special when something comes my way.




BUT back on subject at hand. It's not just MFC, so I dont know if the argument of the public shows is the reason. I believe it is a clusterfuck of things, as previously stated.
I guess my medical leave was at a really good time!!! HAH :lol:

 

[Jupiter551]

I can't speak for the general trend etc, but like Boce, I'm not well-off and sometimes I do show up just to chat or hangout - and no I don't expect a chick to be naked if I'm not tipping, I don't expect her to do anything for that matter. But I do like to feel that it's "okay" for me to be there just because I'm bored or something and frankly, if there wasn't the social aspect of mfc I probably wouldn't spend any tokens on it at all.

So from the member's side...don't worry, we're painfully aware it's a business for you guys, we're reminded frequently. Please also keep in mind it's a very expensive hobby on our side.

You ever thought about how much a 15 minute private costs for a member? ~$70 at the cheapest token buying rate.

After MFC takes its cut a solo model would get around $45, and a studio one maybe $30. I'm not saying you make a lot of money but fuck, I dunno about you guys but I can't afford to spend $70 a night for some social interaction and maybe even a wank. My new fancy gaming keyboard with an LCD screen and 56 programmable macro buttons cost me $75!! I could get 2 months membership at some premium porn site for less than $70. My phonebill cost me the equivalent of a 25 minute private!

I contribute what I can where and when I can and the guys who are $20 premiums who go from room to room tipping nothing and begging or silently waiting deserve no sympathy at all - premium accounts should be deactivated back to basic after a period of buying no tokens.

And I know this is your job, and you deserve to make a decent income, I guess I just want to make the point that sometimes we can't afford it - it's not that you're doing anything wrong, it's that MFC is a damn expensive hobby.

 

[Bocefish]

Jup, stop comparing yourself to me! We are not alike and you know nothing about me!

 

[Jupiter551]

Jup, stop comparing yourself to me! We are not alike and you know nothing about me!

I was only in the sense that you said you weren't even close to being well-off

 

[AmberCutie]

I understand how Boce and Jup feel, and agree with Fifth for the most part.

What's going to happen, is that I'm going to learn to adapt. That doesn't mean I'm going to jump into doing penetration/cum shows in free chat, but there will be times I'll end up (like today) putting the goodies on display for some extra room traffic then start spamming my "tip if you enjoy" and "buy pics and vip blah blah" messages while there are more people there to see it. The whole rule of numbers thing, gotta figure that in larger bunches, more likely to get the tokens I'm looking for.

And when my regulars and other friends are in there, you will hear me asking for people to pitch in. But if you assume it's directed at you then you're wrong. When there are 100's in there, there are bound to be a few people sitting on tokens that just need a push, and I'll be DAMNED if I refrain from giving them a push just to not sound like a token whore or be afraid of hurting your feelings by doing so. I expect my regulars and friends to know that about me, and feel as comfortable as you like in there even if you're not tipping all the time, or at all.

TLDR: I'm probably going to be more verbal during these "fog days" about people pitching in tokens, don't take it personally, and don't assume it's aimed at you. It's aimed at the general crowd. It's just what I gotta do.

 

[Rose]

And when my regulars and other friends are in there, you will hear me asking for people to pitch in. But if you assume it's directed at you then you're wrong. When there are 100's in there, there are bound to be a few people sitting on tokens that just need a push, and I'll be DAMNED if I refrain from giving them a push just to not sound like a token whore or be afraid of hurting your feelings by doing so. I expect my regulars and friends to know that about me, and feel as comfortable as you like in there even if you're not tipping all the time, or at all.

TLDR: I'm probably going to be more verbal during these "fog days" about people pitching in tokens, don't take it personally, and don't assume it's aimed at you. It's aimed at the general crowd. It's just what I gotta do.

should i grab jolene and crush some soda cans on our heads on these days?? i can do the butt smack and the pep talk holler *woooo! let's do this! let's hustle those slut skills!! woo woo woo!!!*

 

[Zoomer]

And when my regulars and other friends are in there, you will hear me asking for people to pitch in. But if you assume it's directed at you then you're wrong. When there are 100's in there, there are bound to be a few people sitting on tokens that just need a push, and I'll be DAMNED if I refrain from giving them a push just to not sound like a token whore or be afraid of hurting your feelings by doing so. I expect my regulars and friends to know that about me, and feel as comfortable as you like in there even if you're not tipping all the time, or at all.

TLDR: I'm probably going to be more verbal during these "fog days" about people pitching in tokens, don't take it personally, and don't assume it's aimed at you. It's aimed at the general crowd. It's just what I gotta do.

Maybe clarify that at the time - like Agent_99. Now quite the "10 new tippers... NOW!" approach but something like that

I understand exactly what the guys say. Public shows are expensive to not put to fine a point on it. They're a 15 min private minimum, all the way up to a 150 minute private (depending upon the model of course!). Unless a model is lucky with an extremely wealthy individual fan - then ... ack - it needs community effort. It is sad that the lower your camscore, the less likely you are to get tipped. Not because the guys don't have tokens, but almost because they think they should see it for free - a sort of blackmail thing - show me and I'll tip, otherwise no.

Rooms are quiet, guys do not tip towards topics quickly (especially in camscore rooms around 3k and below), and some barely speak - as if talking means you have to tip. Strangely their voices loosen whenever a free show is on. If the girls at the top are noticing, imagine what it's like for those on camscores less than half of yours, or even 1/10th. They rarely do topics, instead relying upon a "100 naked, 200 play" because guys will never tip towards a topic.

Higher up the camscore, the more likely you are to get interaction due to the sheer numbers attracted by the camscore I guess. I don't think you get more % talking, I think you get the same % talking - just you have more people there...so that means more active talkers.

I think there may be one thing not being considered. What was the average price of a public show a year ago? What is the average price now? I'm seeing topics of 6-8k of tokens for a public show. A year ago, when Goldenlady (Crazysysy now) was at the top all the time I remember her shows being 2k tokens. I don't know how much others charged back then though - and that's why I ask.

I hear Agent_99's shows are 10k of tokens.

So what I'm getting at is - has the price of public shows had inflation? If so, then I think what you're seeing is a natural outcome. The prices rise as far as people are willing to pay. For a short while people may overspend...but ultimately, if it's risen beyond what MFC members can support, then either you get quiet rooms or those prices start to drop to levels people will pay. If what used to be 20 models asked for 2k per public show is now 200 models asking 2k per public show, then I honestly do not think the number of guys paying has increased, nor has their personal wealth. Try dropping your prices by 25% or 50% - does the room increase in activity? Do you get more tips because it's not a huge distance away?

Just my :twocents-02cents:

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

I can attest that if you have a low camscore, your considered to be a model deserving abuse. I have had guys say in PM, " could you get your tits out so I cam cum?"

Really? I am pretty even tempered but that pisses me off like no other. It also makes me feel like a damn cum dumpster. I have left MFC for SM. MFC made me feel dirty and cheap. On SM guys take me private and appreciate the show. Common human decency, is lost at MFC when you don't have a 10k camscore.

 

[Kchrpm]

The funny thing to me is how quickly 1000-2000 tokens comes in when there's a simple game like tip to clear the board or to fill the board. When you give guys specific numbers to tip, and little bonuses for tipping or for tipping the right number, they seem to open up. Maybe it's the hope of the prize, maybe it's that they can easily visualize what they have left?

Related MFC feature idea: let models have a chip-in style thing on the side of their window where they set the goal value they want in tips, and MFC automatically deducts each tip from it (unless you uncheck a box saying you don't want it to count or something), with the graphic filling in just like a chip-in image would. Maybe that visual component would be more effective than just keeping track in the topic.

 

[FifthElephant]

Related MFC feature idea: let models have a chip-in style thing on the side of their window where they set the goal value they want in tips, and MFC automatically deducts each tip from it (unless you uncheck a box saying you don't want it to count or something), with the graphic filling in just like a chip-in image would. Maybe that visual component would be more effective than just keeping track in the topic.

This sounds like a really good idea.
But - it would remove one of the common few talking points, and things that the model can interact with the audience about.

 

[Kchrpm]

It doesn't remove it, they can still talk about it, they just don't have to type the new number in to their topic all the time.

 

[Zoomer]

I can attest that if you have a low camscore, your considered to be a model deserving abuse. I have had guys say in PM, " could you get your tits out so I cam cum?"

Really? I am pretty even tempered but that pisses me off like no other. It also makes me feel like a damn cum dumpster. I have left MFC for SM. MFC made me feel dirty and cheap. On SM guys take me private and appreciate the show. Common human decency, is lost at MFC when you don't have a 10k camscore.

That's when you need a lil belligerence right back at them

"Can you open your wallet so I can cum?" - some will piss off, others will laugh and may start behaving - or better yet - tipping I'm not a fan of arrogant beyond belief models - but a good come back to the wankers is great to see

The funny thing to me is how quickly 1000-2000 tokens comes in when there's a simple game like tip to clear the board or to fill the board. When you give guys specific numbers to tip, and little bonuses for tipping or for tipping the right number, they seem to open up. Maybe it's the hope of the prize, maybe it's that they can easily visualize what they have left?

I've no idea what room you've been in - but when they're not 4-5k+ girls who are American, I see models struggle beyond belief to get those games working at all. Fans / Friends help them, but not the vast vast majority of guys coming to the room. They sit. Silent. Watching. Waiting. :lol:

I am very tempted to believe that public shows really have damaged the propensity for grp/pvt shows to occur.

 

[AmyLemon]

I am very tempted to believe that public shows really have damaged the propensity for grp/pvt shows to occur.

In a way yes, because in a room like mine where the public seduction is free and pussy will cost you it requires a lot of EXPLAINING, more explaining that it did perhaps two years ago when that was more of the norm. There isn't a token number that will get me naked and playing in free with my thighs spread, I'm a show girl. I suppose you could call me a "traditional" camwhore lol. By current MFC standards that's a WEIRD way to run a room but at the moment it still works. If an MFC member wants to see a vagina and isn't particular about who the vagina happens to be attached to then all they need to do is click, if they want to see MY vagina then a 200 token package will get them 20 minutes of hardcore time in the presence of my pussy. And that's a very fair deal, $20 for 20minutes is a reasonable fap allowance for all premiums. I don't expect tips in public because my job in public is to seduce the crowd. I'll happily illicit 300 boners to seduce 3 dudes into group and then many more will follow out of curiosity. That's the key here, curiosity. If my pussy was enjoyed by 3000 non paying members yesterday I couldn't justify charging for it today. Many members, remarkably, still come to MFC to have cyber sex and that crowd is a bit more particular in their choice of vagina.

There has always been free shows on MFC, you've always been able to find a zoomed in creamy pussy getting banged, the notable difference these days is that the quality of the pussy has changed. The top models who are gorgeous and talented and personable and desirable are no longer too picky about who sees their taint. The non-tipping crowd would have found a taint regardless, now they just get to enjoy a much nicer taint on a much prettier girl. It's harder to "compete" for room numbers on a daily basis I suppose with a nice looking taint than some Page 2 Asian Page taint, but all exposed taints will eventually suffer the same fate : overexposure. Luckily many premiums still prefer to have their 200 token $20 package go to good use and pay for something tangible and rewarding like a good group in lieu of watching their money disappear practically unnoticed into a larger countdown for a show that thousands and thousands of non paying members get to enjoy.