Important: I am a guy that helps models get more tokens.

[jugghead62]

Ok so I am a user for two years and I mod so many models I don't even remember some of their names. I swear I am a man of trust and sincerity and they know this of me. I can give references of mods and models so please don't laugh or waste my time as many do.

I am looking for advice on how I can get more users in their rooms. If you are a model or even just a mod, I ask you follow this thread so we can all collaborate. I know all models want this, but for some it is very hard to do.

Social media is a big part of it as is what is portrayed in the ladies rooms. And I am sure there is sometimes little control over how to gain popularity on webcam sites.

Please, if anyone can talk about this or knows some mastery I would appreciate sharing ideas. Seeing too many over-qualified models struggling just to get a few tokens. And I am sure many here know what I'm talking about.

BTW, newb here so please be gentle.

 

[mika_kedi]

You know what? I felt generous even though OP really doesn't seem to care for our answers and just want us to say whatever he wants to hear, but maybe someone else might use that info and will read that with more open mind.

I'll put together what a general consensus for what makes a good mod is from several threads here for you:

1. LEAD BY EXAMPLE! If you're not showing people in the room that you, a mod, find the model worth spending tokens on why would they? I'm not saying you have to drop thousands of tokens every time, stick to what you can afford, but you should spend some tokens most times you visit (and preferably not just in 1 token tips).

2. Don't post "tip guys" messages and images, don't thank for tips. Most members and models dislike it. Members tip a model, not you, so the model should be the one thanking for and requesting tips. The only situation when it's usually okay for you to remind members to tip is when they request something without tipping. It gets tiring to constantly remind freeloaders that we don't perform for free.

3. Don't spam the room in general. Don't dominate the chat too much, let other members talk too.

4. Be welcoming to other members, talk to them and to the model, help keep the conversation going and model in good mood when the room is slow.

5. Most importantly talk to the model you mod for what are their expectations for you (like I said, these points seems to be what most people on this forum and most cammodels I talked to agree on, but I'm sure there are some models with different expectations out there) and how strict you should be when muting people. Maybe they prefer do the job themselves, unless their hands are busy? Or maybe the opposite, they want you to be the bad cop in the room and mute everyone who crosses the line for them, so they can keep it positive. What "crossing the line" means to them? Is it just abusive messages, or maybe also requests without tipping? If it's requests without tipping should you mute immediately or after the 2nd or 3rd strike? Some other situations?

 

[jugghead62]

I guess I came to the wrong place. Obtuse and ridiculous answers. Should have known. You all have a great time making yourselves feel good. I've had enough. Thanks for your "help".

 

[jugghead62]

You know what? I felt generous even though OP really doesn't seem to care for our answers and just want us to say whatever he wants to hear, but maybe someone else might use that info and will read that with more open mind.

I'll put together what a general consensus for what makes a good mod is from several threads here for you:

1. LEAD BY EXAMPLE! If you're not showing people in the room that you, a mod, find the model worth spending tokens on why would they? I'm not saying you have to drop thousands of tokens every time, stick to what you can afford, but you should spend some tokens most times you visit (and preferably not just in 1 token tips).

2. Don't post "tip guys" messages and images, don't thank for tips. Most members and models dislike it. Members tip a model, not you, so the model should be the one thanking for and requesting tips. The only situation when it's usually okay for you to remind members to tip is when they request something without tipping. It gets tiring to constantly remind freeloaders that we don't perform for free.

3. Don't spam the room in general. Don't dominate the chat too much, let other members talk too.

4. Be welcoming to other members, talk to them and to the model, help keep the conversation going and model in good mood when the room is slow.

5. Most importantly talk to the model you mod for what are their expectations for you (like I said, these points seems to be what most people on this forum and most cammodels I talked to agree on, but I'm sure there are some models with different expectations out there) and how strict you should be when muting people. Maybe they prefer do the job themselves, unless their hands are busy? Or maybe the opposite, they want you to be the bad cop in the room and mute everyone who crosses the line for them, so they can keep it positive. What "crossing the line" means to them? Is it just abusive messages, or maybe also requests without tipping? If it's requests without tipping should you mute immediately or after the 2nd or 3rd strike? Some other situations?

This I can appreciate and I thank you. I was starting to feel like I was being ambushed.

But I am past all of that. In my opinion, a mod is not just a "shield" for the model. It is a position of trust and friendship. Some models think a mod is a guy who is looking for free shit. THAT is not my opinion at all. Heard that from many models and I have observed mods that I am friends with, doing it too. Yes, I like to watch models perform, I am mostly about beauty not sex But that is not the point I am trying to make. Each model requires something different, you nailed that point. There is no tried and true manual. That is why I asked only how I can help. It was not to ask what makes a mod. I already know this and I can tell you it isn't to tip the model only. That is a whole different line of strategy. It is get others to find her. That means marketing the product. That is my point all along. How is that possible? You can all lambaste me for it but does anyone understand what I am trying to say. Tip the model and make her room great and get others to tip is such a small piece of it.

 

[jugghead62]

Years of experience and years of ignorance. Please wallow in your advice. I'm done bye

 

[rockin_rod]

It was not to ask what makes a mod. I already know this and I can tell you it isn't to tip the model only. That is a whole different line of strategy. It is get others to find her. That means marketing the product.

Sounds like you want to be a promo marketing manager rather than a chatroom moderator or knight.
I'm no model, but doubt many of those with experience would appreciate handing over the job of marketing themselves to someone else - that's their job, nobody better invested to see it done right.

 

[NotYou]

Your ONLY credentials are the fact you are a red name in many rooms, yet you want credentials from everyone else... this is a major LOLZ!
And maybe if you did what I suggested above, moderate for ONE or TWO models and HELP them properly instead of 100 different ones, you WOULD have time to read through threads here.

 

[mika_kedi]

It is get others to find her. That means marketing the product. That is my point all along. How is that possible?

Ew, "the product".

And it is not possible. You should not market the model, they should run their own social media or if they don't want to and can afford to they can get an assistant to help them (And no, as it's evident from this thread you do not have the knowledge, skills or frankly the attitude required to be a successful assistant and I'm confident saying that no model should trust you with their online presence or sharing info and content required to run their accounts. Best assistants to sex workers are usually people with their own experience in sex work).

The only thing that you can and should do is interact with their posts to boost their engagement and reach - like, comment and retweet/share.

ETA: If you want your retweets/shares to make a bigger difference focus on growing your own account(s), while having in mind what target audience you're trying to reach. Once again, model's accounts are not and should not be your concern.

 

[anabeauty37]

You help models get more tokens but you mod for MANY models, and you come here to ask how to get more traffic to get the models more tokens?
You are just the typical grey user we all hate both as a model and a user. You are the guy who spams the chat with "tip tip tip" and all sorts of crap and never contributes yourself. Instead of pretending like you're some amazing guy helping models (which clearly you're not), concentrate on helping just 1 or 2 and tipping them. If you're the kind of user/mod I am thinking of, you're driving their traffic AWAY, not helping.

The biggest red flag for me is as soon as a guy says "I am mod for MANY..." yeah, there is the sign to avoid.

Hi Brett.. Jugg is one of my mods and nice friend also ... On chaturbate the only privates of hours chatting only i ever had on cb are with him. i dont say this becouse he is here but last private we had i got like 900$ my part only becouse he likes to support models . He likes to help models and listen to them, but you are right, i agree with you, he is not Jesus he cant help all and thats what he is trying to do, he wanna help everyone or as manny as posible ., He is not that kind of telling people to tip, hes just trying to make room nice and to involve others in conversation and he is tiping from menu to start the party, but becouse he is only a friend for all this models noone upset on him for trying to mod 25 rooms at a time lol

 

[anabeauty37]

Hi Jugg, welcome . We had this conversation manny times , and as everyone else said is the model that can bring users and keep them, not you . For that they need not only the look but a good personality, to talk and entertain the room, luck, lots of hours of work and so on . . Just masturbating or sitting there is not enough this days .. Hugs !

 

[Deleted member 45270]

We had this conversation manny times , and as everyone else said is the model that can bring users and keep them, not you

I think it's a red flag that he refuses to listen in this thread, and refuses to listen to you as well. Just my 2 cents.

Also..

I mod so many models I don't even remember some of their names.

If this was a joke, it wasn't funny. Especially since it's been revealed you may be modding 25(!) rooms.
If it wasn't a joke, you either want to larp as a cam model manager or you probably have some kind of insecurity that makes you want to overstretch yourself to please others.. or both.
It sounds like you were asking for social media management tips, and was frustrated about being told how to do your job as a camgirl room's mod instead. If you don't want to take the time to read this/other forums, you are not fit to be the manager you apparently want to be.

Put your ego aside for the women you claim to want to help. Recommend ACF to the other 24 cam models so we can help them with their specific problems. Maybe getting traffic is not a problem but what they're doing with their existing traffic is.

 

[AudriTwo]

Hi Jugg, welcome . We had this conversation manny times , and as everyone else said is the model that can bring users and keep them, not you . For that they need not only the look but a good personality, to talk and entertain the room, luck, lots of hours of work and so on . . Just masturbating or sitting there is not enough this days .. Hugs !

If you guys had this conversation many of times, he aint listening. I gave practically the same advice and was mansplained that my experience was invalid.

Dude is a condescending and egotistical. Congrats on able to tolerate that ego. And thats not snark. Because i could never. Hope he pays well. You deserve it.

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This thread has convinced me even more that mods are the worst and are only given out to stroke egos instead of penises. They are only there to give members some flair to feel special.

 

[AudriTwo]

Look. I'm not trying to do battle with you. I asked a question and you wanted to shut me down immediately, and once again showing me your credentials. Either you think I am a typical user or some model trying to get information. I am neither. I ask a valid question for anyone that wants to help. How can I help my model friends? How hard is it to understand? Please stop trying to get a rise out of me. Won't happen.

BTW I thought this was the CB section of the forum. Did I overlook something?

I used to work cb, and gaining traffic is all the same for the most part. You sound like a typical white knight. You being a mod or being friendly doesnt make you special. You are still a camsite member.

I answered your question and you didnt like it. I wasnt trying to shut you down, i was simply telling you that isnt your responsibility but the models since this is her business. You are nothing but an observer who may have given the ability to silence users in select rooms. Me telling you what the model needs to do is like a a sandwich shop owner telling someone who likes to eat sandwiches how to run a sandwich shop without them owning a sandwich shop. Its banans.

You want to help your model friends so keep paying for their content and interact in their chat and social media. Some models are do everything right but cant seem to gain any traction. Because luck factor is huge.

Sorry that wasnt the answer you wanted, but i took the time to answer.

 

[NotYou]

and I mod so many models I don't even remember some of their names.

Wow, How did I even overlook this part of your message?
This right here shows how much you care about the model/s and want to help them succeed. You definitely seem like you want to feel special and feel wanted/needed, or whatever else.

 

[jugghead62]

If you guys had this conversation many of times, he aint listening. I gave practically the same advice and was mansplained that my experience was invalid.

Dude is a condescending and egotistical. Congrats on able to tolerate that ego. And thats not snark. Because i could never. Hope he pays well. You deserve it.

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This thread has convinced me even more that mods are the worst and are only given out to stroke egos instead of penises. They are only there to give members some flair to feel special.

Hi Jugg, welcome . We had this conversation manny times , and as everyone else said is the model that can bring users and keep them, not you . For that they need not only the look but a good personality, to talk and entertain the room, luck, lots of hours of work and so on . . Just masturbating or sitting there is not enough this days .. Hugs !

Thank you for your response. I was about to give this up. Your opinion and friendship is gold to me. But, I guess I screwed up in the very beginning by saying I mod a lot of models. But you are one that understands who I am and what I am about. You are right about what the models need to do, but my point was that not only do many models not know what to do, they don't have the resources to access this type of information. Maybe they can't even be on this site. From the start I was piled on like Zach Wilson from the Jets. After that it all went downhill. I was treated with disrespect and I reacted in kind.

I should have known. Models do not see the bigger picture. The responses were either "shut up and tip" or "Hi I'm a model too, come to my room". The conversation was meant to be a global one. I am not a guy trying to get into the porn business or something like that. I have a full time job already. My only thoughts were to try to understand some things and get some sort of cohesion. I will try to stay here and here everybody out but jeez.

 

[jugghead62]

I used to work cb, and gaining traffic is all the same for the most part. You sound like a typical white knight. You being a mod or being friendly doesnt make you special. You are still a camsite member.

I answered your question and you didnt like it. I wasnt trying to shut you down, i was simply telling you that isnt your responsibility but the models since this is her business. You are nothing but an observer who may have given the ability to silence users in select rooms. Me telling you what the model needs to do is like a a sandwich shop owner telling someone who likes to eat sandwiches how to run a sandwich shop without them owning a sandwich shop. Its banans.

You want to help your model friends so keep paying for their content and interact in their chat and social media. Some models are do everything right but cant seem to gain any traction. Because luck factor is huge.

Sorry that wasnt the answer you wanted, but i took the time to answer.

Any answer is a good answer and I still respect what you say. I suppose I got the answers I needed. Thanks to everyone that participated. Even the ones that disrespected me from the first.

Peace.

 

[Deleted member 45270]

my point was that not only do many models not know what to do, they don't have the resources to access this type of information.

I am not a guy trying to get into the porn business or something like that. I have a full time job already. My only thoughts were to try to understand some things and get some sort of cohesion.

I really hope you tell the camgirls you mod for about this forum, and don't keep it to yourself because you're feeling hurt. Because this IS their job, so they would benefit from the information here. You are not a cam model, you are not even a male cam model, your knowledge can only go so far. We have a models-only section for a reason.

You may have good intent and want the camgirls you like to succeed, but you coming here seeking to be spoonfeed doesn't show it, and neither does the way you talk about the models you mod for.
"This is deeper than you may understand" to an experienced camgirl who's worked on sites longer than you've viewed them is not a good look.
I + others don't have time to spoonfeed a viewer when we could be helping out the model he views specifically instead. Your first post was vague, we have no idea which of the 25 models you were referring to or what their problems or strategies are. Just "more traffic".

Like I said, their earnings might be worse from what they do to their existing traffic, where new traffic wouldn't solve it.

 

[CheeseMoon]

but my point was that not only do many models not know what to do, they don't have the resources to access this type of information. Maybe they can't even be on this site.

This is puzzling. You want to discuss strategies on "how to get more tokens" in a place the models you are ultimately trying to help can't or won't access? Why do you feel the need to have a monopoly on advice you probably shouldn't give in the first place?

The answers to "how to get more users in the room" had various attempts at answers a couple of times per week for the almost two years I've been here. There are literally thousands of posts here about the very thing you want to know, so why this special thread? I obviously can't tell how many times it's been answered in the Models Only section, but I assume it's being discussed pretty much all the time in there.

 

[thinkinboutit]

 

[Ozzie_]

I should have known. Models do not see the bigger picture.

Mate... way to go!

Completely insult ALL of the coterie you are claiming to want to help (and the group you are asking for advice).
How did you think this would play out??

Also, your communication skills are sadly lacking, as is your temperament. Your first message came across as disdainful and condescending to models you claim to want to help. Subsequent messages have been aggressive to put it mildly.

Also the fact that you have received basically the same advice from an experienced model for whom you mod strikes me as both insulting to her experience (and any friendship with her you have), and arrogantly stubborn on your part.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

The help is already here, but you want to be the one who is providing the help, because you are in it for something more than out of the goodness of your heart. Otherwise you'd drop them a link and be done.

 

[mika_kedi]

The responses were either "shut up and tip"

No one said that. Multiple people wrote in extent what you can do. It just wasn't what you WANT to do, which seems to be telling models how to do their job and possibly running their social media profiles? Dunno, I'm a bit lost and your tantrums don't help to understand you.

or "Hi I'm a model too, come to my room".

Even more so NO ONE said that. Where did you get this from, for real?

Also, your communication skills are sadly lacking, as is your temperament. Your first message came across as disdainful and condescending to models you claim to want to help. Subsequent messages have been aggressive to put it mildly.

Also the fact that you have received basically the same advice from an experienced model for whom you mod strikes me as both insulting to her experience (and any friendship with her you have), and arrogantly stubborn on your part.

Let's not forget he called models "the product" at some point.

ETA: OP I'm genuinely curious, why do you have to be the one telling models what to do if they are struggling with some parts of the job? What's stopping them from looking for answers themselves? I would assume that if they are cam models they have access to the internet and if it's the language barrier there are translation tools available online, so I really can't figure out what's the issue. Is it possible they just don't want to look for advice if they haven't yet and you're trying to do for them something they're not even interested in?

 

[AudriTwo]

Even more so NO ONE said that. Where did you get this from, for real?

My b.

OP kept blubbering how the responses were people beating him up. If anything it was blunt and no nonsense.

So i linked him my camroom if he is interested on actually getting beat up on..

 

[ArcticKitty]

Model was not struggling. Also saying no offense. I understand your experience, but experience is contingent upon your reaction to others and what you have seen. Like life, all is not always how it appears. Also, I don't believe your experience includes all models. Please teach me if I am wrong. That was the point of this thread. Peace.

You ask for advice concerning models and then argue with an actual model when she sets you right..?

 

[ArcticKitty]

You are wrong. I don't want to promote myself or anyone else.

But you said you DO want to promote - right in the title and OP.

<snip> I was trying to think of the greater good of models, not just mine. I see no one understands this. It is a concept most will not...

Not to be confused with someone who founded a forum for precisely that purpose and goal. And the community that has formed over the course of years.

 

[ArcticKitty]

"That means marketing the product."

Gods, that icks me out.


"I should have known. Models do not see the bigger picture."

You clearly have no idea of just how offensive you are.

Or how stupid.

If you weren't so busy arguing with people about something they clearly know about and weren't blinded by your need for control to compensate for your insecurity and fragile ego and social problems, you might have notised that all of the women who replied were quite civil and some spent time and effort truly trying to help you understand how it is. Not to mention a lack of basic respect for people's intelligence by you.

I'm not a model but if I was I wouldn't be inclined to be helpful after reading through this thread because it would be casting pearls and especially because your posts reflect a view of models that is objectifying and creepy. I certainly don't think you actually want to help anyone for altruistic reasons.

 

[AudriTwo]

I'm not a model but if I was I wouldn't be inclined to be helpful after reading through this thread because it would be casting pearls and especially because your posts reflect a view of models that is objectifying and creepy. I certainly don't think you actually want to help anyone for altruistic reasons.

at this point useful replies arent for op but for other members (or maybe models) with the same question. unlike op, we want to share our insight and knowledge with other models/members. whereas people like op don't want to share this site with cam models probably because they know models will no longer depend on the "help" they offer. this site renders camsplaininers useless. i've heard so many excuses why they can't share the forum with models and it's all bullshit. from she doesn't speak english when google translate is a thing to they are 19 years old. it's one thing to give them the site, and the model doesn't follow up- oh well, because it's the model's responsibility to maintain their business. it's nuts that internet strangers want to get this involved in another stranger's business (no matter how much vagina or being told there is friendship, they are a stranger because you only know the cammodel persona they have curated).

moderators are essentially unpaid internet janitors. that is not a dunk on janitors, but the unpaid part. if a model makes you mod, and it makes you feel good. cool. but it's not a special badge that holds any weight outside that cam models room. there are models who depend on mods for their own reasons. hell i see the hustle there. play ignorant because there are lots of members like op who like to white knight. all of us veteran cammodels probably know another cammodel who does this hustle or are that cammodel. but there are plenty of us models who don't use it all or work sites without that feature. mods are a new niche feature only a few sites give their members. this has been a relatively new feature for the past 10 years. rest of the cam world doesn't use mods before and after they become a thing. if they are so essential to a model's success, then every site would have them. it's not hard to maintain your chat. especially when cb and mfc allows the use of bots, so models don't have to depend on a human soul who has their own privy motivations.

it's also important to remember this job is very much luck base. i've seen so many gorgeous and banging models put in the consistent work for years where it's still a grind to make payout. small handful of models are lucky and experiencing consistent success right out the gate. i've also seen models who were successful now struggle. there are models who consider 1k a week a success whereas others may not believe that it is. it's so volatile and everyone has their own definition for their success. there is such a high turnover rate because this job isn't easy money like society believes or even camsites/studios who market it as such. i've been told around 80% of new models on my site (streamate) quit within the first three months. having mods isn't gonna increase that luck. what's gonna increase that luck is models consistently streaming and maybe one day a whale or two will start wheelbarrowing you money which will be a huge boost in their placement. you can have all the traffic in the world and be a 10/10/10/10 across the board hot, but if members aren't spending then it's useless. that is why when members ask what they can do to help their favorite model succeed, we all say pay them. being friends with cammembers isn't going to increase our placement, but someone paying for our services will.

i dont doubt that friendships can happen, but if my friends were trying to get this involved in my business i would tell them to jag-off. they can give me advice, but if it's consistent unsolicited advice, still can jag-off.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Thank you, @AudriTwo, I see what you mean. Yes, it makes perfect sense that cam modeling has a high variance and that understanding and adapting to that reality is critical because it can get precarious with the best laid plans. I think it's similar to contemporary Native American/Indigenous art in that respect.

(I was tired and multitasking when I logged in and saw this thread and at first I was amused that someone would post it in a site by/for/with models with no clue that Of Course best practises and marketing strategy would be a thing. Then a leg-crossing response to a remark and I was really just irritated when I fired off that third post.)

 

[AudriTwo]

(I was tired and multitasking when I logged in and saw this thread and at first I was amused that someone would post it in a site by/for/with models with no clue that Of Course best practises and marketing strategy would be a thing. Then a leg-crossing response to a remark and I was really just irritated when I fired off that third post.)

oh that was my favorite part. being camsplained by cammembers is a guilty pleasure. as in HE DONT KNOW and we can all laugh collectively. these types really bring us together as a community. i understand it's frustrating to experience or watch, but after so many years of dealing with the same type as op, its all silly now.
me to op:

 

[Carmita Bonita]

Hey OP, a quick google revealed you uploaded a bunch of cam model recordings onto a well known scummy pirating site. If a "friend" did this to me I'd be livid. We get tons of models coming here asking for how to REMOVE their content.

 

[AudriTwo]

Hey OP, a quick google revealed you uploaded a bunch of cam model recordings onto a well known scummy pirating site. If a "friend" did this to me I'd be livid. We get tons of models coming here asking for how to REMOVE their content.

yeah this is how you DONT help models get more tokens...