See, we have a product, and that is Providing Men with Orgasms. Without that product, there would really be no large camming industry. So when Can**Ca** does a Lesbian Shower Show and 3000 men watch it and get off, and only 6-10 actively tip and paid for the count in the first place, that means 2990 potential customers just got to cum for free.
This assumes that 2950 of those basics would have spent money in the first place. The 40 premiums might not have even been there. They might tip next time if then enjoy the first show. No facts here, just bad assumptions.
Basics are still potential customers. Potential means, may or may not become, but always COULD. Right?
And what is the drive for them to be customers if the shows are all hardcore and free?
Are you telling me you believe that none of the men on MFC are affected by the breaking of rules? That NONE of those men would tip if NO free cum shows were available in free chat?
I find that naive and you don't seem naive. It obviously affects business to have 50 cumshows filled with mostly freeloaders in any given day. If MFC made the rules be the RULE, you would have thousands of guys who were frustrated because they don't get to see full insertion cum shows for free.
Since there are MANY MANY such shows on MFC each day, this means thousands upon thousands of potential customers are now able to get fully aroused and cum for $0, where in the past they had to pay to see “the good stuff”.
I never had to pay to see the "good stuff" before MFC. It was always free.
What sites allow LIVE cum-shows other than MFC. You cannot compare tubesites, since the very nature of MFC and other cam-sites is the interactive nature. Why do you love Amber as opposed to just watching a porn video? So...I ask again, what Cam sites allow Insertion, Lesbo shows, toy shows, fuck machines, sybians, etc. in FREE Chat with NO registration even necessary?
This means THOUSANDS of dollars not being spent that used to be spent on women on every camsite on the planet.
Source? Are you sure the industry isn't growing?
Well, go to the cam forums and talk to cam girls...I am part of a collective. And we have all seen money drop across the board, even before the recession got started, and it hasn't recovered as other industries do. That is not scientific, it is observational. And what changed is that MFC has gone from casually not enforcing its rules to flagrantly (is that the right word?) just ignoring and stopping all rule enforcement.
Anyone who understands business, understands that giving away the product to thousands for FREE, is not good for business and will eventually lead to lower and lower and lower pay for ALL camgirls, since the supply and demand chain is completely screwed.
Like how all those big super stores and drug companies are going out of business because of free antibiotics? Or how the websites ilovefreethings.com and freecycle are both single handedly responsible for the economic collapse? Again, you assume that a non-paying customer would instantly be a paying customer if other people followed the arbitrary rules. Isn't this sole fact why MFC exists? The oppertunity to see tits for free? Isn't that why the word FREE is right there in the name?
Tits in Free. That is easily within the rules as posted on the MFC Wiki. As is full nudity. None of the girls involved in the petition or any of this talk have ANY problem with nudity in free chat. The rules state "No Insertion, Masturbation, hardcore person to person (as in cunnilingus) and no Zooming in on genitals". In other words NO to all the things kiddies shouldn't see. No to all the things that are generally thought to get men off. No to those in Free. Which is smart business.
As proof of what I am saying, notice that all the women who have worked cam for YEARS (I am an old broad and worked it WAY back) can tell you that as the sexual content of free chat increased, the money has decreased. Combine this with the in sane influx of cam models caused by a recession, and you get a supply and demand chain that is now SERIOUSLY lopsided.
Being that I've tipped girls to pee on lollipops and then eat it and hundreds laughed their asses off and then we went on to help spread Amber's room all over and she became popular not because of anything other than her own charm. Is the tip total for Miss MFC going up or down? Because if the money is decreasing, the tip total should be going down. By the statements you made, shouldn't you consider market saturation the issue and not sexual content in free chat?
Market saturation is definitely an issue. But if you also add in that potential customers are now watching free shows, it doesn't help the situation at all. Guys I used to cam for who tipped (not regulars like you seem to be, but tippers who weren't stingy), got to be less and less of tippers and I'd see them hanging out more and more in the rooms with the dildo show, and NOT tipping, because guys like you, except who wanted a show in free, tipped for them. I have seen it more than once with my own eyes. If they get the private or group show for nothing. Why would they pay?? But if the private show or group show MUST be paid for to see, then guys will either pay, or NOT get "the good stuff".
So much so, that Streamate has now added Gold and Tipping and is ignoring their rules more and more to keep up with MFC. And so it is spreading and soon the STANDARD will be free shows, and this is the equivalent, in my honest opinion, of the Tube Sites in the porn world.
So ignoring their rules means less people tipping and spending less money. Which would mean that MFC and Streamate are now making less money. Again, I have to look at market saturation here and less at what's being given away for free.
[color=#BF0040I cannot believe you honestly believe that it is Good for, say AMBER, that thousands of freeloaders come to MFC and roam around looking for free shows, both slowing down the service and eating bandwidth, and also that Amber, who does this for a living is NOT making less money because there are TONS of guys going to another model's Lesbian Shower show, which is against the rules of MFC. I mean you are a customer, and that equates to you being much more likely to make any excuse for why the free porn should continue. It is Anti-model and Pro-customer. But if you truly care about any camgirl including Amber, I cannot see how you can "NOT see", that giving away the product of camming to thousands is a bad idea.[/color]
Secondly, MFC signed a contract with ALL of us, stating there would be a certain environment when we worked. And to make money, many new girls are finding they have to breachthat contract (which lets face it, is absolutely FINE with MFC) to make money or compete.
I haven't read the contract so I couldn't really tell you about that. But I always find it funny that people have to "break the rules to compete" because frankly Amber got all my money BECAUSE she didn't break the rules and BECAUSE she was charming, sweet and cute. If the 150 tokens I spent on getting a girl to piss on cam for /b/ is what you want take it. Others will want to strive for the OVAR 9000!!!! I spent on Amber.
But that just shows you are an anomaly, the exception and not the rule.
I strongly believe that MFC wrote the contract and rules the way they did specifically to protect themselves and leave cam models out to dry. As if there is ever law enforcement or major lawsuits, MFC has plausible deniability in saying, we made rules, we tried “our best” to enforce them, and the ladies agreed not to do those things and did them as independent contractors. Therefore I think the hammer will come down on MODELS when it comes down, because MFC has set things up just that way.
I agree. What does this have to do with the point though? You're liable for what you do.
Um, if MFC said "There are no RULES, fuck yourself in free chat if you want to" and a State's Attorney got a complaint, who gets the hammer? If MFC says it is all up to the models, the MODELS pay for the indiscretion. But MFC is DEFINITELY complicit.
Lastly, since MFC is pretty terrible as it comes to minors (they do the netnanny thing, but MOST families don’t have netnanny, most parents suck and don’t supervise their kids, and most kids are latchkey kids now and so we ALL know that kids get on MFC, and every model who has been here a while has had the 13 year old (or whatever) who admits it right out…and I have seen SEVERAL models who ignore it and DON’T ban the person.
I'm 12 and wut is this?
So, are you saying you believ no minors come to MFC? Are you honestly saying that? Since I personally think there are WAY more minors in the Guests than we even guess at, but what minor is dumb enough to know they aren's supposed to be there and say they are 13...Well, if you have hundreds per day, a few will be that dumb.
So, free pornographic shows bordering on the legal classification of “Obscene” in Federal law in open chat, and minors present. It’s a bad mix, and even if legally we say it is the responsibility of the parents, we as women who do this job, should not be doing the open free shows that truly are harmful to kids. I believe that most folks would not get TOO up in arms about simple nudity as MFCs rules state…But if it ever hits the courts or media that women are using cucumbers as dildos in front of minors, the shot will hit the fan Hard.
Of course, we already covered that MFC isn't legally responsible. So when it hits press time minors will come signing up wholesale and perverts will too. There is no such thing as bad publicity.
I rarely even get naked in free chat lately, but that's fine with me as long as I'm making my goals and my fans are happy. Amber's right about only being affected if the show is in the same camscore bracket, with similar looks and personality. Then it effects it big time.
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