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Nothing wrong about getting naked on cam / for strangers - don't worry.
The only thing that makes me want to take a shower after looking at most of the cam girls is them pretending to actually care about some OLD rich strangers on the internet.
Not even hookers are that low.
 
wasteofoxygen said:
Nothing wrong about getting naked on cam / for strangers - don't worry.
The only thing that makes me want to take a shower after looking at most of the cam girls is them pretending to actually care about some OLD rich strangers on the internet.
Not even hookers are that low.

Wut? :shifty:
 
Lydia_Deetz said:
wasteofoxygen said:
Nothing wrong about getting naked on cam / for strangers - don't worry.
The only thing that makes me want to take a shower after looking at most of the cam girls is them pretending to actually care about some OLD rich strangers on the internet.
Not even hookers are that low.

Wut? :shifty:

He's under the impression that hookers are fair game here and has never met one.
 
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Sevrin said:
Lydia_Deetz said:
wasteofoxygen said:
Nothing wrong about getting naked on cam / for strangers - don't worry.
The only thing that makes me want to take a shower after looking at most of the cam girls is them pretending to actually care about some OLD rich strangers on the internet.
Not even hookers are that low.

Wut? :shifty:

He's under the impression that hookers are fair game here and has never met one.

Or that it's only possible to care about YOUNG rich strangers on the internet.
 
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wasteofoxygen said:
Nothing wrong about getting naked on cam / for strangers - don't worry.
The only thing that makes me want to take a shower after looking at most of the cam girls is them pretending to actually care about some OLD rich strangers on the internet.
Not even hookers are that low.
Some may be pretending, some totally aren't. There are some models who will totally get involved in a member's life and care about them. I'd say the more common thing is a model talking to the same members day in and day out, and it's a given that we'll take an interest in their life when we are discussing their life constantly. I may consider them a friend while I am actively talking with them daily and care to an extent, but I wouldn't be the one they'd call if they needed a ride to the airport or hospital. I may express concern if they are sick, or had a bad day. I may feel happy for them if they've had some great news, but at the end of the day, I don't feel like that's "acting like I care". It's just what comes naturally when I talk to a person so often. Catch my drift? So while I understand you'd be disgusted at the act SOME models put on for tokens, I wouldn't use the word MOST or CARE like that.

On that idea... those situations where members and models DO end up involved in each other's personal lives could be more of a "homewrecker" situation (I hate to use that term but it kinda works for this explanation) since it's more than just a means of visual sexual stimulation or digital entertainment. I'd be much more upset if my SO was having that level of personal interaction with someone than if they were just getting off to a model's sexiness and having casual conversations here and there.
 
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inkydoo said:
At the risk of drawing this out further, I feel like I need to clarify a few things.

1. I'm not attempting to make a moral argument about anything. Erragal made a claim about where a certain moral judgments came from (that ViruSphere has now also sort of made), namely that having a problem with a spouse using porn comes from insecurity or low self-esteem. I attempted to argue that this view is not always correct, and that judgments about porn being immoral or unacceptable can come from other factors. I AM NOT saying that porn is immoral, nor am I saying people who believe porn is immoral or wrong are correct in that belief. I'm only saying something about where their disapproval comes from.

2. I'm not making a religious statement or argument at all. I chose to use Christianity as an example of why someone might find porn immoral with it being about insecurity or self-esteem, because it seemed like an obvious case. Perhaps I should have instead pointed to that group of feminist philosophers who, without any relation to their religious beliefs, have come to the conclusion that pornography has a negative effect on society, and therefore think porn immoral. (Again, to be clear, I'm not making this argument, nor do I agree with it, it's only an example of why someone might find porn immoral without it being about insecurity or self-esteem).

3. I didn't intend to start any kind of religious debate, nor do I think this topic the appropriate place to do so. As it is, I feel like I kind of accidentally took Lily's serious and important topic off the rails, and I'm sorry for that. In an attempt to be on-topic, I will summarize by saying that I don't think camming, in and of itself, is immoral. Perhaps I'll expand on that a bit, but not in this post.
I agree with most of what you are saying in point 1 and 2. Almost every topic turns into something different, it is not necessarily a bad thing. Lily had MANY great responses, and sounds like she feels better now.
 
I wouldn't feel guilty for something like that a bit. People need to chill out. Porn is porn, it's always been here, always will be, and we will ALWAYS want to watch it. :cool:

To add, I recently denounced my Christian religion after tons of research. Everyone should believe what they will, but I for one, am not going to live my life by a set of rules made to make you feel like you've sinned when you've only been human. I believe in the basic goods and bads, (don't kill anyone! love your neighbor!) because these are things we should do and believe anyway, besides the fact that we have someone telling us we'll go to Hell if we don't. Porn is not an evil thing, it's not a bad thing. I make very, very lonely people feel very, very good about themselves and their life. Fuck you if you think it's a moral sin.

However, anything in excess can be bad. My addiction to pornography has not reached that point. lol maybe someday.
 
I base my morality on whether something causes harm. Camming does not cause harm. I am an adult acting of my own free will for my own pleasure and financial benefit. Someone is forced into it in the Philippines somewhere? Blame human trafficking. If camming didnt exist theyd be forced into porn or prostitution ETC.

There are those that will argue people get "addicted" to porn or waste all their money on camming- well those people have emotional issues and are using those things as a release. Same as gambling or collecting ceramic cat figurines. If porn wasnt there, it would just be something else.

I have heard the argument that its cheating or causing cheating...well "cheating" means different things in different relationships but you can't force someone to cheat, they are doing it of their own free will. Again, using it as an outlet for something.

A lot of porn can be sexist or degrading- but porn doesn't cause these things. Porn is reflective of the people and culture that produces it, just like any other media, be it music or art or what have you. There is plenty of alt or indie porn that portrays all genders and sexualities in various roles (this stuff is a lot harder to find for free on the internet). I really like Tristian Taorimo personally (for a more mainstream option). But sometimes I like Training of O or gangbangs. The point is its a fantasy- the people who take (for example) a really degrading view of women because of something they saw in porno probably have mental problems any way whether they watched it or not.
 
I don't even think about this kind of stuff, it's not my responsibility to be involved in someone else's relationship. I'm not meeting members or telling them to divorce their wives because I'm in love with them, I'm providing a fun and sexy service, and it's up to members to deal with their own personal lives. What I do on MFC and what a member does in his marriage are totally separate, in my mind.

This reminds me of why I don't disclose my job to most of my friends. My best friend of 13 years, who is like a sister to me, wouldn't let her boyfriend go to a bachelor party because she thought the strippers would try to steal him away. :roll: I love her but she has some seriously messed up attitudes about sexuality and sex work. It seems like a lot of people do. I'd rather not be known as a "professional homewrecker"!
 
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MadisonLeigh said:
I don't even think about this kind of stuff, it's not my responsibility to be involved in someone else's relationship. I'm not meeting members or telling them to divorce their wives because I'm in love with them, I'm providing a fun and sexy service, and it's up to members to deal with their own personal lives. What I do on MFC and what a member does in his marriage are totally separate, in my mind.

This reminds me of why I don't disclose my job to most of my friends. My best friend of 13 years, who is like a sister to me, wouldn't let her boyfriend go to a bachelor party because she thought the strippers would try to steal him away. :roll: I love her but she has some seriously messed up attitudes about sexuality and sex work. It seems like a lot of people do. I'd rather not be known as a "professional homewrecker"!

I really want to come out to my best friend since 7th grade. One of the most caring people I know, but her attitude towards those she considers "sluts" is truly messed up. I guess some people are the victims of cultural prejudice. Coming out to her COULD result in an "Oh I know a sex worker, maybe they aren't so bad after all" moment, or it could result in her panicking, trying to save me, or rejecting me completely as a friend.
 
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Jessi said:
I really want to come out to my best friend since 7th grade. One of the most caring people I know, but her attitude towards those she considers "sluts" is truly messed up. I guess some people are the victims of cultural prejudice. Coming out to her COULD result in an "Oh I know a sex worker, maybe they aren't so bad after all" moment, or it could result in her panicking, trying to save me, or rejecting me completely as a friend.

Telling someone for the first time seems like it would always be scarey. There is no way to know how they will react.
 
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