Is MFC dying? Someone suggested a new thread.

[LadyLuna]

Alright, we have two sets of figures, the set on the right and the set on the left. Please realize I pulled the tokens/hour for this out of my ass. The reality is that it will range anywhere from 1 token per hour to tens of thousands, with many hundreds of models.

SO! Explanation of the picture:

Each set has two columns. The first column is tokens/hour, which is the basis of the camscore. But the other basis is the average tokens/hour of all the girls, so after typing out all the tokens/hour of this little mockup, I found out the average. The first set, the average tokens/hour was 118.75. In the second column, I multiplied the first column by 1000 and divided it by the average.

Then I eliminated all the girls below a 500 camscore for the second set. This was all the girls who eared 50 tokens per hour. As you can see, the second set, the average was now higher. Since dividing by a bigger number makes smaller numbers for each person, the "camscore" went down. Those who previously had 505.2634 now have 466.6719

So yes, Shaun, you were right. Cutting those with a 100 or below will result with the next set falling below the cutoff mark,

If you wish to start cutting girls who don't earn enough, I suggest using something that DOESN'T rely on what the average girl makes as a standard, since cutting the lowest out of the group raises the average higher. Maybe, instead of focusing on the camscore, focus on the wages?

 

[bob]

i'm thinkin the best solution to eliminating this bfd is to find a woman who you (not you personally....the generic you) love body and soul, turn off the computer, and leave it to leo to figure it out

Halfway through that sentence I thought you were talking about proposing to a 100 camscore girl :-D "bb, if you let me take you true pvt for the rest of my life u will make me the happiest member in teh world"

:lol: that got the day off to a good start

 

[nzhere]

I just asked a model with 109 camscore how many tokens did she make last week.

answer = 800

and that was for the whole week. I didn't ask how many hours she worked for that.

 

[loveyougipsy]

:-D it's not in mfc's interest to cut models no matter how low the cam score or even user inactive accounts.

Let's not forget mfc is a business. They want to attract models, members and investors which means they need to play the Internet numbers pissing game.

Does anyone here really believe the drivel on Facebook was worth the amount it made when it floated?

What sounds better to both the model and the investor?
Join us: we have 1* million members, 10,000* models
or
Join us we have 100* quality models and 500* spending customers? each model makes 2K*/month (honest)

*numbers are pulled out of thin are with no factual basis

MFC found a gap there is no doubting that, but like facebook mfc will be replaced.

I don't believe any porn studio, no matter how many millions they throw at it will replace mfc, the studios have become like the music and movie industry. They can't change fast enough to keep up with the times. Apple made selling music on the Internet successful while the music industry floundered and worried about old revenue streams.

Add into the mix the target audience... guys with money to burn. Will they buy the 9.2 surround sound home movie system with a 60" screen that is certified cinema quality or the 4200.34 surround sound system with a screen the size of the wall of china? Then tell them they can have a 12,002.283 surround sound system with a screen the size of the moon for free :lol:

Is MFC dying? no just changing... will MFC be replaced? for sure... but it won't be by a porn studio no matter how many millions they throw at it. it also doesn't take or need that much money to replace MFC.

 

[Jupiter551]

I just asked a model with 109 camscore how many tokens did she make last week.

answer = 800

and that was for the whole week. I didn't ask how many hours she worked for that.

Ok but let's look at cost of living.
The average wage in Romania is about US$110/week after currency exchange. Over the border in Moldova it's only about $70, and in Ukraine which is another popular camming country it's $80. Phillipines is also about $70 per week, average (http://www.rappler.com/nation/4612-philippines-at-bottom-3-of-world-s-wages)

So to keep it in perspective, even 800 tokens is $80 (or $40 if she meant before mfc cut or whatever, though models rarely talk about earnings in those terms), which is a higher than average wage in most of those countries - that means even on a bad week like that those 100 score models are making more than professionals like nurses, teachers, etc...small wonder they have lots of girls on cam huh?

 

[SoTxBob]

I just asked a model with 109 camscore how many tokens did she make last week.

answer = 800

and that was for the whole week. I didn't ask how many hours she worked for that.

Ok but let's look at cost of living.
The average wage in Romania is about US$110/week after currency exchange. Over the border in Moldova it's only about $70, and in Ukraine which is another popular camming country it's $80. Phillipines is also about $70 per week, average (http://www.rappler.com/nation/4612-philippines-at-bottom-3-of-world-s-wages)

So to keep it in perspective, even 800 tokens is $80 (or $40 if she meant before mfc cut or whatever, though models rarely talk about earnings in those terms), which is a higher than average wage in most of those countries - that means even on a bad week like that those 100 score models are making more than professionals like nurses, teachers, etc...small wonder they have lots of girls on cam huh?

youre talking figures like a $20 premium here .... I have never known of any model to talk about anything other than their earnings.... IE: there is zero basis to even think she made $80 since thats a small lot >> purchase << price. Her 800 tokens are at most $40 to her and if she was in a studio, considerably less. You know that....

I did a bit of anecdotal survey also some minutes ago... since last pay cycle ranges for random girls not above 1400 cs were as low as 150 tokens to several thousand total, not per day. Sat in on 2 friends today as well.. neither broke 300 tokens and yet had nice room sizes. Guys seem to be holding on to tokens for another day.

 

[loveyougipsy]

I just asked a model with 109 camscore how many tokens did she make last week.

answer = 800

and that was for the whole week. I didn't ask how many hours she worked for that.

Ok but let's look at cost of living.
The average wage in Romania is about US$110/week after currency exchange. Over the border in Moldova it's only about $70, and in Ukraine which is another popular camming country it's $80. Phillipines is also about $70 per week, average (http://www.rappler.com/nation/4612-philippines-at-bottom-3-of-world-s-wages)

So to keep it in perspective, even 800 tokens is $80 (or $40 if she meant before mfc cut or whatever, though models rarely talk about earnings in those terms), which is a higher than average wage in most of those countries - that means even on a bad week like that those 100 score models are making more than professionals like nurses, teachers, etc...small wonder they have lots of girls on cam huh?

And lets look at where most of the studio's or models work. In Romania you have Bucharest or maybe Iasi... average rent? you could get places for 200 euros, but you wouldn't. Average Net wage in March in Romania was 353 euro a month. utilities, 100-150 euro depending on time of year.

Why do they have lots of girls on cam? The studios farm outside the main cities, advertise wages of upto $1-2K. It's the age old bright lights, big city trick. As long as the studios are making more than they pay they don't care. don't forget that many of the studio's in Ro are 'legal' in the sense they pay the right people. They certainly aren't paying national health care and taxes on behalf of the model.

If you really believe someone can live on $40/$80 per week in Ro then I suggest you try it. You wouldn't even cover the rent and pay utilities on somewhere to live in most parts.

 

[Shaun__]

If you really believe someone can live on $40/$80 per week in Ro then I suggest you try it. You wouldn't even cover the rent and pay utilities on somewhere to live in most parts.

Based on the average salary and what you say the average living costs are, I would have to assume they have roommates. This is a common thing for poorly paid people living in expensive cities to do.

 

[Jupiter551]

Right, and I'm not suggesting 100 cs models are rolling in cash, but as already pointed out most of the ones at that level aren't exclusively working on MFC - in fact they're not even primarily working on MFC in most cases. They're usually doing up to 8+ sites at once, and often outside sources like skype as well.

No one is suggesting it's all going fantastic but it's STILL a job, and a job that can offer considerably MORE than the average income for a few. I remember Crazysysy saying over a year ago that she makes on average about 1000 euros per day. So roughly three times her country's average monthly wage...per DAY. Keeping in mind that each "day" is often maybe like 3-4 hours on cam (and behind the scenes stuff obviously but still). Of course the possibility of that is going to be attractive to newbies.

Sure rent is higher in some places than others - is anywhere in the world NOT like that? Still, people DO get by - if they didn't they'd move away and rent would drop. Average Romanian wage by industry is as low as under 200 euros. The point is simply that to look at a model from one country's earnings, and comparing it to one from another country is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[LadyLuna]

About this 800 tokens "before MFC cut". MFC doesn't cut tokens from models. Members buy tokens at whatever. MFC has already gotten their cut then. When the member tips the model, the model gets 5 cents for every token. That is the model cut, regardless of how much the member paid for those tokens.

A member tips the model 800 tokens, the model gets 800 tokens. Simple as that.

 

[UncleThursday]

While it can still be expensive to live in the big cities in the Eastern European countries, apparently models can still get by. Yes, some of them get apartments with roommates (sometimes even other cam models in their studio); some still live with their parents; some live with their BFs.

But, for the girls who live in those countries that are popular on the site, they get to live like royalty, pretty much. Shy and Mary both would fit this bill. They both live in Romania, in Bucharest, but they are among the highest paid models on MFC, month after month. Each of them makes hundreds of US dollars, if not more, per day, on most days, pretty easily. They both live in nice apartments and have nice things. You'd pretty much expect them to be living in decent apartments in the US when you see them. If they've saved their money frm the past few years, they're sitting on nice nest eggs. But, if they haven't... well...

The same for some of the other successful Eastern European models. I know there's a few very successful Russian, Czech, Ukranian, and other Eastern European models, too.

Even if they moved to Western Europe or the US, they'd still be doing very well for themselves. Maybe not as well as in the countries they live in now, but they'd not be hurting.

Now, for the girls who aren't making as much? Well, I know one who had to bargain with a studio because she used to do fairly well on her own, but eventually her income dropped and she was evicted from her 200 euro/month apartment. So, while she's still on her own account, she's living in a studio. So she's paying rent to them and they allow her to cam from there. Her camscore peaked at around 3k, now she's at around 1100.

It can still be tough, even when not in the big cities; because she isn't in Bucharest. So it goes to show that while the money stretches further in those countries, if you still aren't making enough, you can still be in trouble.

 

[Jupiter551]

I imagine a big stress is the uncertainty - not getting a regular, set amount as a wage, and also it would take discipline not to overspend when things are good, realising you will need that money when times are lean.

 

[ComicOzzie]

I imagine a big stress is the uncertainty - not getting a regular, set amount as a wage, and also it would take discipline not to overspend when things are good, realising you will need that money when times are lean.

Yeah, its easy to assume that once you start making good money, you will continue to make good money. But I see a whole lot of camscore charts that look like the frickin' Alps.

 

[AmberCutie]

So to keep it in perspective, even 800 tokens is $80 (or $40 if she meant before mfc cut or whatever, though models rarely talk about earnings in those terms),

When models discuss how many tokens they made, it's in the nickel-per-token sense. So it was $40.

 

[nzhere]

Just bumping this thread a little.

Considering how many new "1000+" score model are added on MFC each day if MFC were to start cutting 40 or 50 sub 100 camscore models every 2 weeks. Would it really make that much difference to other low camscore models?

I don't recall it being an issue last September when MFC cut several thousand Asian accounts..

 

[loveyougipsy]

Just bumping this thread a little.

Considering how many new "1000+" score model are added on MFC each day if MFC were to start cutting 40 or 50 sub 100 camscore models every 2 weeks. Would it really make that much difference to other low camscore models?

I don't recall it being an issue last September when MFC cut several thousand Asian accounts..

But what would be Leo's motivation?
At the moment, as I type this, there are 1016 models on and there are 36 sub 100 camscore models. There are more models in Away mode than with sub 100 cam scores. Personally I'd put a timer on being away and automatically log a model out if they were away for too long. Having 1/2 a page in away status for long periods looks worse to me than having models with a cam on.

At the moment, it will cost Leo more to have someone close the accounts than it does to have them on the site. Their contribution to the daily running cost of mfc is so negligible that a $20 token buy is likely to cover it. If those models had any noticeable impact on the running costs of mfc you can be sure they would be cut on a regular basis.

If you look at the popular room list, it is regularly below 100 viewers (including guests) per room before you are 2/3 of the way down the first page. At least on European times. If the first page was of models with 200-300+ viewers with a high ratio of tipping premiums to basics/guests you could make an argument that the low cam score models are taking resources that are needed elsewhere and have a higher impact on the running costs. But 36 models out of 1016 with the current ratio of tipping premiums to basics/guests? Not a chance, there will be more than enough spare capacity in the system, that would still need to be paid for, even if they were cut.

I'm not sure how much people think it costs to run the mfc servers, but I bet it's less, much less than you think.

If those 36 models are cut, then the headline number of online models on the front page drops below 1000. Which looks better we have 980 models online or we have 1016 models online?

Wasn't the cutting of the Asian accounts more to protect Leo from legal problems due to under age models?

 

[AmberCutie]

Personally I'd put a timer on being away and automatically log a model out if they were away for too long.

That already exists.

I think all the discussion of cutting the extremely unsuccessful models has more to do with raising the level of performance among the rooms that viewers come across vs. saving a few bucks of bandwidth. I think it was originally mentioned after someone said that MFC looked "low class" or something of that sort, so cutting the severely under performing rooms might take a step toward raising that impression. Who knows if it would do anything, or if it's fair, or whatever.

I personally think the only thing that could raise the classiness on the site would be to have a heavier banhammer on girls who do stuff like prolapse, pee/poo/barf, mega-anal-fisting, etc. That most definitely isn't limited to the sub 100 camscore girls. But I think it's happening so frequently that admins can't necessarily keep up or have the time to spend searching it out.

 

[LadyLuna]

Just bumping this thread a little.

Considering how many new "1000+" score model are added on MFC each day if MFC were to start cutting 40 or 50 sub 100 camscore models every 2 weeks. Would it really make that much difference to other low camscore models?

Well, since they get the 1000 camscore based on the fact that 1000 is supposed to be the average... and the camscore is based on your average earnings divided by the other average earnings, they don't affect the actual camscore until they have actual earnings.

To demonstrate:



I had Excel calculate the averages, and I inserted the averages directly into the appropriate equations. As you can see, adding new models did not change the camscore YET. Now, whether they affect the camscore by bringing the average up or down depends on what they actually earn. I'm going to say 1 of them takes off, 2 of them stay close to the average, and the others do about as bad as the worst.



As you can see, everyone's camscore has gone down because the one model doing really well outweighed the others doing really poorly.

I don't recall it being an issue last September when MFC cut several thousand Asian accounts..

EDIT: and I forgot my response to the second point. x.x

The Asian page had their own camscore. Those from the Asian page who were good enough to be on the main page had two camscores, their Asian camscore and their normal camscore. When they cut the Asian page, they didn't cut those that had a normal camscore. Thus, the normal camscore didn't lose anybody.

 

[loveyougipsy]

I personally think the only thing that could raise the classiness on the site would be to have a heavier banhammer on girls who do stuff like prolapse, pee/poo/barf, mega-anal-fisting, etc. That most definitely isn't limited to the sub 100 camscore girls. But I think it's happening so frequently that admins can't necessarily keep up or have the time to spend searching it out.

I agree with that, MFC does seem to be the site with the rules it created that aren't enforced. It wouldn't be that hard to implement the ability for members to report in a foolproof way, which would remove the need for the admins to be trying to keep up with 1000+ rooms. Whether they would report and mfc do anything or not is another matter.

Unfortunately for models, I think from mfc's view point as long as the money keeps coming and they aren't walking risky legal ground, there is little motivation for cleaning up.

 

[AmberCutie]

I personally think the only thing that could raise the classiness on the site would be to have a heavier banhammer on girls who do stuff like prolapse, pee/poo/barf, mega-anal-fisting, etc. That most definitely isn't limited to the sub 100 camscore girls. But I think it's happening so frequently that admins can't necessarily keep up or have the time to spend searching it out.

I agree with that, MFC does seem to be the site with the rules it created that aren't enforced. It wouldn't be that hard to implement the ability for members to report in a foolproof way, which would remove the need for the admins to be trying to keep up with 1000+ rooms. Whether they would report and mfc do anything or not is another matter.

Unfortunately for models, I think from mfc's view point as long as the money keeps coming and they aren't walking risky legal ground, there is little motivation for cleaning up.

Yeah, and aside from our distaste of the items I noted above, I can see why it's like this. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", and clearly it's working just fine. Whether we'd prefer it a different way is irrelevant.

 

[Countessa]

I think it was originally mentioned after someone said that MFC looked "low class" or something of that sort, so cutting the severely under performing rooms might take a step toward raising that impression. Who knows if it would do anything, or if it's fair, or whatever.

I really think getting rid of the green-and-crap Web 1.0 design and updating it to something nicer would do way more for the site's image than cutting underperforming models.

Also, its so sad that some girls are earnig so little on the site. Getting naked on the Internet is worth way more than $40/hr let alone $40/week!!

 

[AmberCutie]

I think it was originally mentioned after someone said that MFC looked "low class" or something of that sort, so cutting the severely under performing rooms might take a step toward raising that impression. Who knows if it would do anything, or if it's fair, or whatever.

I really think getting rid of the green-and-crap Web 1.0 design and updating it to something nicer would do way more for the site's image than cutting underperforming models.

Also, its so sad that some girls are earnig so little on the site. Getting naked on the Internet is worth way more than $40/hr let alone $40/week!!

Haha, yeah initially when I came across MFC I was a bit put off by the green/white cheesy pages, but I'm sure if they updated it someone else would just complain about how it looks then instead. Can't win, really. And I do agree that it sucks that some girls are earning so little.

 

[loveyougipsy]

I think it was originally mentioned after someone said that MFC looked "low class" or something of that sort, so cutting the severely under performing rooms might take a step toward raising that impression. Who knows if it would do anything, or if it's fair, or whatever.

I really think getting rid of the green-and-crap Web 1.0 design and updating it to something nicer would do way more for the site's image than cutting underperforming models.

Also, its so sad that some girls are earnig so little on the site. Getting naked on the Internet is worth way more than $40/hr let alone $40/week!!

Haha, yeah initially when I came across MFC I was a bit put off by the green/white cheesy pages, but I'm sure if they updated it someone else would just complain about how it looks then instead. Can't win, really. And I do agree that it sucks that some girls are earning so little.

:-D to be honest I find it's better than most of the schemes our marketing and design staff come up with for the products at work. I don't understand how it's possible to constantly create vomit inducing colour schemes. I've been starting to think most of our staff who design the colour schemes are colour blind and it all looks great to them.

 

[nzhere]

The Asian page had their own camscore. Those from the Asian page who were good enough to be on the main page had two camscores, their Asian camscore and their normal camscore. When they cut the Asian page, they didn't cut those that had a normal camscore. Thus, the normal camscore didn't lose anybody.

If they had reached the Homepage by reaching a 2000 Asian camscore. But if their score dropped under 1200 Asiancamscore. They would in fact drop off the homepage and their HOMEPAGE camscore actually froze.

So they still had 2 camscores and still got cut.

I know one girl who was on the Homepage , she went home a few months then came back 1 week before they cut all the asian models. She could not stop her Asiancamscore sliding under 1200 (this was the cutoff figure for asians falling off the homepage) so she fell off the homepage. Her homepage camscore was frozen at around 400+

There were quite a few girls who had made it to the homepage then slid off they still had 2 scores. as to if these still counted in the equation , well who knows. but the scenario is there.

 

[Julia_Storm]

The "MFC is dying" thingy was started partly by the new websites trying to rise...i personally had to kinda argue to a guy just for the sake of making him not feel good...
He was adertising a website called CassCams by saying come to me stop fighting on a over populated dying website where models have to advertise themself...and he was practically was throwing shit at mfc from all the points of view that he could find.(not to mention that his website didn;t had terms and conditions finished- it was a lorem ipsum text).
And he had a small website...imagine what the bigger ones do.