Is this a dick head thing to say???

[Poker_Babe]

Or do you think he is right? Just curious...

 

[Red7227]

en·tre·pre·neur   [ahn-truh-pruh-nur, -noor; Fr. ahn-truh-pruh-nœr] Show IPA noun, plural en·tre·pre·neurs  [-nurz, -noorz; Fr. -nœr] Show IPA, verb
noun
1. a person who organizes and manages any enterprise, especially a business, usually with considerable initiative and risk.

I think its a perfect description for a camgirl.

 

[Candygirl3x]

I've put down " Depends on the girl " 'cause most of Camgirls ( and me soon enough ) are MFC only.... You are not selling
or deploying your name as a brand. I would not for myself call it Entrepeneur 'cause it far from the Conventional meaning
of it...

But, Lets take Sonny Leon, Angela Summers or Aria Giovanni for exemple... They are well known outside MFC, in different
domains and do merchandise and brand on their names, do for them I think it'd entrepeneurship....

My :twocents-02cents:

Candy xxxx

Ps... But that guy is a $%^&*() Douche for raining on your parade....

 

[Anonymous]

I do not think it's ridiculous for a cam girl to call herself an 'entrepreneur'. I see that guy put quotation marks around 'adult performer' as if he doesn't believe that's what we do. He's probably just mad that his boss at Burger King won't give him a raise. I'd like to see him get on cam and do what we do (tease, dance, jiggle da booty, play with toys, etc.). Nah, I take that back...I DON'T want to see him doing those things on cam...YIKES!

I like your response to him. :thumbleft: Maybe he IS gay (not that there's anything wrong with that). He looks like he just sniffed the ass of a guy who hasn't bathed all week.

 

[Trav]

I put depends on the girl.

I think in the majority of cases, while it might fit the technical definition, camming lacks the sort of "business venture" aspect that generally comes with entrepreneurship. Most girls don't really seem to treat it that way.

But, there are some that do, and for them, I think it's certainly an apt description.

And I think that dude is a dickhead.

 

[Poker_Babe]

He looks like he just sniffed the ass of a guy who hasn't bathed all week.

OMG!!! I

so hard when I read that, I "Snorted" like Steve Urkle

 

[Bocefish]

I agree with Candygirl and Trav. Unless you have a well known business name or brand that goes beyond the cam site, there's not much of a business risk other than being exposed to the public. For example, if the vast majority of camgirls don't do well or get banned for whatever reason, they can just change their name and start over.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[JickyJuly]

What a girl calls herself is pretty unimportant to everyone but her. This dude's opinion on the subject is even less. :roll: Putting negativity out there was probably his way to get a few girls to pay attention to him for a minute. For the record, every gay man I've ever met was a fan of boobs and had a bit more respect than that for Women. No need to lump this douchenoz in with them.

 

[mynameisbob84]

It's not a dick head thing to say and what you refer to yourself as is nobodies business but yours (I refer to myself simply as Da Man).
But by definition, most cam girls are not entrepreneurs (at least in the literal sense). Camgirls don't typically supply risk capital, nor are cam sites THEIR business venture, and unless they attach their name to other ventures in addition to camming, they're not technically a brand :twocents-02cents:
But there's no need to be a dick about it and I don't understand why the guy put "adult entertainers" in brackets. THAT'S a dick head thing to say :?

 

[Shaun__]

I bet he is the kind of person who gets upset over calling something a friend list, or how you use words like epic.

 

[Poker_Babe]

they can just change their name and start over.

:twocents-02cents:

Ehhh... wait there just a minute. "Just start over"?! You make it sound like it's no big deal. It takes time to market yourself, get regulars, and build up a good reputation. But to ruin one's rep can be done in the blink of an eye. It's more then just making another MFC account. There is a lot of off cam work that we do too (as with any entertainer and/or show). Having to start over again is not as easy as one may think.

Also if a girl is exposed as a cam model IRL... I hope she wasn't just doing this to put herself through college to one day be a school teacher (because it had always been her dream to one day have a job getting to make a positive difference in kid's lives or something), because that dream is now down the toilette. [maybe a bit dramatic, and I know this isn't typical, but it's still true though]

 

[Bocefish]

they can just change their name and start over.

:twocents-02cents:

Ehhh... wait there just a minute. "Just start over"?! You make it sound like it's no big deal. It takes time to market yourself, get regulars, and build up a good reputation. But to ruin one's rep can be done in the blink of an eye. It's more then just making another MFC account. There is a lot of off cam work that we do too (as with any entertainer and/or show). Having to start over again is not as easy as one may think.

Also if a girl is exposed as a cam model IRL... I hope she wasn't just doing this to put herself through college to one day be a school teacher (because it had always been her dream to one day have a job getting to make a positive difference in kid's lives or something), because that dream is now down the toilette. [maybe a bit dramatic, and I know this isn't typical, but it's still true though]

In most cases, all the model would have to do to retain her regulars is e-mail or tweet her new name and where she is working if it isn't the same site. They haven't lost a huge investment in terms of money or capital invested. Everyone invests time and energy in their jobs to be successful, that doesn't automatically make them entrepreneurs though.

The teacher thing is unfair too IMO, but also a whole other subject.

 

[Nordling]

It's perfectly fine to call yourself an entrepreneur. Aside from it being a somewhat pretentious term when used too frequently, I think it fits what you do. Capital isn't the only risk that a "free agent" makes. When you put yourself out on the web, there are a bazillion risks you're taking, i.e., as they say, if someone wants to find anyone on the web's personal information badly enough, they can.

I've known at least five cam models who've been the victim of weirdos who tracked them down or even confronted them in public offline. This represents a risk that's of far greater magnitude than all the money (capital) in the world--your personal safety.

Also, just because you're using someone else's facilities (MFC, SM, etc) doesn't mean you're not a free agent. Even businessmen/women who make a living via investment of capital are using other people's facilities every day.

 

[Poker_Babe]

Also, just because you're using someone else's facilities (MFC, SM, etc) doesn't mean you're not a free agent. Even businessmen/women who make a living via investment of capital are using other people's facilities every day.

Yes, and I would just like to add that none of us technically "work for" MFC. We are considered "independent contractors".

 

[Bocefish]

Not trying to be rude and put it as simply as possible... if somebody else is taking almost half of what you earn and also provides the bulk advertising, clientele... it can hardly be considered entrepreneurial while tens of thousands of others also do it, unless you have a marketable known name outside of the site.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[Nordling]

Not trying to be rude and put it as simply as possible... if somebody else is taking almost half of what you earn and also provides the bulk advertising, clientele... it can hardly be considered entrepreneurial while tens of thousands of others also do it, unless you have a marketable known name outside of the site.

:twocents-02cents:

You're attempting to narrow the meaning for what reason?

 

[Bocefish]

Also, just because you're using someone else's facilities (MFC, SM, etc) doesn't mean you're not a free agent. Even businessmen/women who make a living via investment of capital are using other people's facilities every day.

Yes, and I would just like to add that none of us technically "work for" MFC. We are considered "independent contractors".

Yes, but MFC technically owns everything you do on cam with copyrights, to include your model name according to the contract unless I'm mistaken, or it has changed.

 

[Anonymous]

'Entrepreneur' is a term I don't even hear much nowadays. Whether it technically applies or not, there are some cam girls who truly fascinate me with all of the things they do. I know of a cam girl who is a single parent in her early 20s, and she has Clips4Sale stores, I believe she does phone sex, and does affiliate work for Edens Fantasy (adult toy store). She also does independent camming, and for that you have to bring your own traffic. She advertises the fuck outta her Clips4Sale store too on Twitter.

 

[Bocefish]

Now that I would consider entrepreneurial-ish branching out and doing independent stuff. :thumbleft:

 

[Rose]

Eh, I think for the girls who branch out instead of just camming on one site are entrepreneurs (sp?).

Personally, I'm on streamate, camwhores, twitter, I have my own blog, I have a members store on clips4sale, a video store on clips4sale, an image store on clips4sale, I do advertising stuff for EdenFantasys on my blog, I book photoshoots and model in my offline life through my Rose persona and do some other moonlight operations under the radar as Rose. Am I an entrepreneur? Possibly but I'm not sure if that's what I'd label myself. All of my money making ventures in life are through 'Rose' though.

 

[Nordling]

Eh, I think for the girls who branch out instead of just camming on one site are entrepreneurs (sp?).

Personally, I'm on streamate, camwhores, twitter, I have my own blog, I have a members store on clips4sale, a video store on clips4sale, an image store on clips4sale, I do advertising stuff for EdenFantasys on my blog, I book photoshoots and model in my offline life through my Rose persona and do some other moonlight operations under the radar as Rose. Am I an entrepreneur? Possibly but I'm not sure if that's what I'd label myself. All of my money making ventures in life are through 'Rose' though.

It's a word that isn't as restrictive as many seem to want it to be. Unlike "doctor" or "lawyer," for example, you don't have to be licensed by the state to call yourself an entrepreneur. Generally, I accept folks' labels that they apply to themselves; it just isn't something worthy of debate, IMHO. Elsewhere, the other day, I watched a forum argue endlessly about whether or not Mormons are Christians. Ugh. Who cares how they call themselves? lol

 

[ThePioneer]

The term entrepreneur is a buzzword that I've seen used in the business community and academia a lot and it has lost its meaning over the years. Just because you're self-employed or a small business owner doesn't necessarily make you an entrepreneur.

Not to discredit anyone on this site, but I would say that most models aren't entrepreneurs.

 

[Nordling]

The term entrepreneur is a buzzword that I've seen used in the business community and academia a lot and it has lost its meaning over the years. Just because you're self-employed or a small business owner doesn't necessarily make you an entrepreneur.

Not to discredit anyone on this site, but I would say that most models aren't entrepreneurs.

I'd say anyone is who say they are. Anything else is a "True Scotsman" fallacy.

Like you say, the meaning has changed over the years. lol Dang French words.

 

[AmberCutie]

I would suggest there's some sort of line between being an adult entrepreneur, and being "just a cam girl".

Some cam girls put in a few hours a month to a cam site, and don't necessarily take this as a serious job. They are "just a cam girl".

The girls who put their whole effort into their cam modeling, going above and beyond by making their own site, branding themselves by promoting themselves on other adult sites, being very active and promotional on Twitter, etc... I would say they are entrepreneurs in the sense that they aren't just logging on to the site that hosts their video and letting the site do all their work. It depends on their level of innovation.

Not trying to be rude and put it as simply as possible... if somebody else is taking almost half of what you earn and also provides the bulk advertising, clientele... it can hardly be considered entrepreneurial while tens of thousands of others also do it, unless you have a marketable known name outside of the site.

:twocents-02cents:

I would argue this a bit. Yes, MFC does some promotional work and handles our payouts. But we decide how we operate within their few guidelines. We have no boss to speak of. Without doing extra work outside of their site, we won't be as profitable. As I said above, I think it depends how we are utilizing our host cam site if we are to be considered entrepreneurs or not.

 

[Nordling]

Yes, just like in the finance world... one might argue that an investor who sits home all year and only invests once every few months or years that he's not a "true entrepreneur." Fine. But If he/she calls herself that, I'm not going to quibble. Maybe a better way to distinguish is to insert "successful" or "unsuccessful."

 

[Red7227]

I would argue this a bit. Yes, MFC does some promotional work and handles our payouts. But we decide how we operate within their few guidelines. We have no boss to speak of. Without doing extra work outside of their site, we won't be as profitable. As I said above, I think it depends how we are utilizing our host cam site if we are to be considered entrepreneurs or not.

Hell yes. Some models are extraordinary entertainers who are doing far more that just selling their ass for fun and profit. Others have a small group of regulars and do this more for fun, with the income being secondary. The third and largest group are doing it because they need the money and it is their primary source of income.

MFC mirrors the wider workforce in that some models have the entrepreneurial spirit, others are like commission based salaried workers and a small minority are fun loving lazy slobs like me.

 

[KillerCurves]

I chose "it depends on the girl".

Some girls dabble, and I would not call them entrepreneurs. But then there are girls such as SophiaLocke, KittyWilde, AmberCutie and others who see camming not as a fun little way to make extra cash but as a serious career that they work hard at. Those would be the entrepreneurs.

 

[Poker_Babe]

and also provides the bulk advertising,

MFC doesn't provide any advertising for me besides the little avatar on the home page when I'm on cam. All my advertising comes from me and other awesome models who are considerate enough to give me a mention on their blogs, tweets, or in their chat room every so often. MFC promotes MFC and their "Top Models". The bulk of my advertising is provided by yours truly. LOL

 

[KillerCurves]

and also provides the bulk advertising,

MFC doesn't provide any advertising for me besides the little avatar on the home page when I'm on cam. All my advertising comes from me and other awesome models who are considerate enough to give me a mention on their blogs, tweets, or in their chat room every so often. MFC promotes MFC and their "Top Models". The bulk of my advertising is provided by yours truly. LOL

I actually pimped you in my room last night. And I pimp this forum to other models who I perv as well as to regulars that I've forged a friendship with.

 

[HoldItNow]

I tend not to care what wrestling fans think of the world.