Logitech webcams

[JustALurker]

i am just a "consumer" and its probably out of the budget most of the times, but just in case somebody else also is looking for informations on possible cam-systems or upgrades, i can recommend a Logitech cc3000e (Conference-System) even if its on the markt for a long time.

i bought one preowned on a classifieds site for just 165 USD a few months ago (within the covid crisis!). Its similar to the Logitech PTZ Pro (2) (or to the newer and much more expensive Logitech Group). If you check classifieds and ebay and co regulary, its possible to find both of these systems preowned sometimes below 200 USD!

A lot of those preowned pieces are in very good working condtion (some may have flaws like small scratches on the casing which does not affect the functionality), because they often bought in masses for some office and meeting rooms and they dont have been used much there (compared to the usage-time of a typical cammodel)

If you have a decent lighting setup (i use just a 20 USD 5000-6000k 30 watts LED Flooder as indirect lightning against the ceiling) this system in my opinion is very very good, especially for cam models (if you dont need to stream in 4k and the FULL-HD/1920x1080/1080p at 30 fps is still enough for you).

These systems have a real optical lense (from Zeiss) and a real mechanical optical 10x Zoom! combined with the handy remote control to pan tilt zoom (PTZ) which i would say is perfect for the use of a cammodel.

A lot of studios in EE are also using them (its easy to spot because of the recognition value of the remote control design)

also it has a 90 degree field of view instead of the typical 78 degree which most of the webcams have, which is especially nice if you have a more or less nice decorated room or background at your streaming-location.

you could also check youtube reviews about it (but most of them showing them in office environment).

in combination with OBS i can stream 1080p/10fps in good quality with a super low bandwidth limit of just 2200 kbps/2,2 mbps upload only.

 

[corky888]

Logitech makes several good camera's. Just be sure in my opinion not to get any camera that is 4K. Oh, they look real nice, and if you use a 4K big screen TV as a monitor, lord it looks very nice. Most people do not understand what 4K is and the reason most webcam models should not use it is very simple, most girls are streaming to make money and in order to make money you certainly must have a good camera.
The reason I say not to use anything above a 1080p camera is 9/10 users do not have graphic's card or monitor that will support a 4K stream, 4K cram's a lot more
data into there picture and if your customer's/user's do not have the right equipment to decode 4K transmissions, what they see will not earn you many tips.. The bottom line is You have to be the grownup in the room. For instance, If you have a Logitech BRIO webcam and are using 4K large screen TV as your monitor, yes the picture is to die for, but this is not the the image your users will see on there 1080p monitors, plus because it puts so much more data in picture your users will not get the picture you see on your 4K HD big screen TV because they simply do not have the right equipment (Graphics card and 4k Monitor), For instance, if you stand in front of 4K camera and look at yourself on your 4K TV, it will be great, get your head positioned. so it appears all is great. Now if you could see that Image, the first thing you see is a girl standing there, with half of her face missing, beware !!!.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

Logitech makes several good camera's. Just be sure in my opinion not to get any camera that is 4K. Oh, they look real nice, and if you use a 4K big screen TV as a monitor, lord it looks very nice. Most people do not understand what 4K is and the reason most webcam models should not use it is very simple, most girls are streaming to make money and in order to make money you certainly must have a good camera.
The reason I say not to use anything above a 1080p camera is 9/10 users do not have graphic's card or monitor that will support a 4K stream, 4K cram's a lot more
data into there picture and if your customer's/user's do not have the right equipment to decode 4K transmissions, what they see will not earn you many tips.. The bottom line is You have to be the grownup in the room. For instance, If you have a Logitech BRIO webcam and are using 4K large screen TV as your monitor, yes the picture is to die for, but this is not the the image your users will see on there 1080p monitors, plus because it puts so much more data in picture your users will not get the picture you see on your 4K HD big screen TV because they simply do not have the right equipment (Graphics card and 4k Monitor), For instance, if you stand in front of 4K camera and look at yourself on your 4K TV, it will be great, get your head positioned. so it appears all is great. Now if you could see that Image, the first thing you see is a girl standing there, with half of her face missing, beware !!!.

While 4k isn't needed for camming, most modern devices can handle it easily, even smartphones. You also don't need anything special to decode a 4k transmission.

 

[KatieKitty]

While 4k isn't needed for camming, most modern devices can handle it easily, even smartphones. You also don't need anything special to decode a 4k transmission.

I have a Microsoft Surface Pro 7, and it struggles when I have OBS set to output 4K. The speed test built into OBS suggested 1080p. My desktop computer on the other hand does just fine.

The bottom line is You have to be the grownup in the room. For instance, If you have a Logitech BRIO webcam and are using 4K large screen TV as your monitor, yes the picture is to die for, but this is not the the image your users will see on there 1080p monitors, plus because it puts so much more data in picture your users will not get the picture you see on your 4K HD big screen TV because they simply do not have the right equipment (Graphics card and 4k Monitor), For instance, if you stand in front of 4K camera and look at yourself on your 4K TV, it will be great, get your head positioned. so it appears all is great. Now if you could see that Image, the first thing you see is a girl standing there, with half of her face missing, beware !!!.

Wouldn't the image get down-sampled or otherwise scaled down rather than cropped to only ¼ the image?

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I have a Microsoft Surface Pro 7, and it struggles when I have OBS set to output 4K. The speed test built into OBS suggested 1080p. My desktop computer on the other hand does just fine.

I was mainly referring to the part about users not being able watch 4k, I didn't word my post correctly and tried to address two seperate things in 1 sentence lol.

 

[corky888]

I have a Microsoft Surface Pro 7, and it struggles when I have OBS set to output 4K. The speed test built into OBS suggested 1080p. My desktop computer on the other hand does just fine.



Wouldn't the image get down-sampled or otherwise scaled down rather than cropped to only ¼ the image?

We will have to agree to disagree on not needing anything different to watch 4K, your graphic's card or video card would have to support 4K, also your computer monitor would need to support 4K, 1080p is not 4K, 4K is 1080p x 4, so looking at a 4K image would mean that what a user see's on most 1080p monitors would contain 4x times the data if you had a TV or monitor capable of handling it. It's the same as buying a HD 1080p TV or a HD 4K TV. The image in 4K is beautiful but you certainly have to have graphics card and monitor capable of outputting a 4K display, and no I disagree again that most modern equipment can handle this, no unless it says 4K capable, it can not. The bottom line of what I was trying to say is that everyone should use 1080p resolution or below, that way all can enjoy images and with 1080p there would be no difference in display.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

We will have to agree to disagree on not needing anything different to watch 4K, your graphic's card or video card would have to support 4K, also your computer monitor would need to support 4K, 1080p is not 4K, 4K is 1080p x 4, so looking at a 4K image would mean that what a user see's on most 1080p monitors would contain 4x times the data if you had a TV or monitor capable of handling it. It's the same as buying a HD 1080p TV or a HD 4K TV. The image in 4K is beautiful but you certainly have to have graphics card and monitor capable of outputting a 4K display, and no I disagree again that most modern equipment can handle this, no unless it says 4K capable, it can not. The bottom line of what I was trying to say is that everyone should use 1080p resolution or below, that way all can enjoy images and with 1080p there would be no difference in display.

Bruh, literally every phone that has come out in the past few years can shoot 4k video (and a select few with 8k), some even in 60fps. Are you telling me that those same devices can't playback the videos they record? To get the full benefit of 4k you would of course need a 4k monitor, but that doesn't change the fact that most devices can still play it.

 

[corky888]

Sorry I am talking about computers, not phones, yes phones are capable.

 

[AussieCosplay]

I was mainly referring to the part about users not being able watch 4k, I didn't word my post correctly and tried to address two seperate things in 1 sentence lol.

I have to disagree here, I have multiple members with 4k screens.
They're becoming far more common, and it makes sense to future proof your content.

Personally I have a Logitech streamcam and love the quality.
Though I live stream in 1080p as MFC doesn't support 4k (yet)

 

[KatieKitty]

We will have to agree to disagree on not needing anything different to watch 4K, your graphic's card or video card would have to support 4K, also your computer monitor would need to support 4K, 1080p is not 4K, 4K is 1080p x 4, so looking at a 4K image would mean that what a user see's on most 1080p monitors would contain 4x times the data if you had a TV or monitor capable of handling it. It's the same as buying a HD 1080p TV or a HD 4K TV. The image in 4K is beautiful but you certainly have to have graphics card and monitor capable of outputting a 4K display, and no I disagree again that most modern equipment can handle this, no unless it says 4K capable, it can not. The bottom line of what I was trying to say is that everyone should use 1080p resolution or below, that way all can enjoy images and with 1080p there would be no difference in display.

That's... not how it works. When it comes to playing video, any modern video playback device should be able to handle a 4K signal, even if the display device doesn't physically have enough pixels. The image would just get downsampled accordingly; you don't get just ¼ when you try to play 4K content on a 1080p display. Assuming the display device is 4K capable, the bottleneck tends to be connection speed, first the internet connection, then the connection between the computer and the display device.

 

[bamdicted]

@corky888 I am watching a 4K stream on my 8 year old desktop, that hasn't been upgraded, with no issues, of course I don't get the 4K experience as my max available resolution is 1080p, but the picture is not cropped.

 

[corky888]

@corky888 I am watching a 4K stream on my 8 year old desktop, that hasn't been upgraded, with no issues, of course I don't get the 4K experience as my max available resolution is 1080p, but the picture is not cropped.

I'm sorry, I was not saying if it would play or not, I was referring to the full 4K experience, in true 4K. It's like having a HD+ tag on your camera window, means you can broadcast in 1080p or 4K, but most stay at 1080p so all users can enjoy. I used to be a Moderator at Chaturbate and even though we could do 4K we stayed at 1080p so all users could enjoy, as I said sometimes you have to be the grownup in the room.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I'm sorry, I was not saying if it would play or not, I was referring to the full 4K experience, in true 4K. It's like having a HD+ tag on your camera window, means you can broadcast in 1080p or 4K, but most stay at 1080p so all users can enjoy. I used to be a Moderator at Chaturbate and even though we could do 4K we stayed at 1080p so all users could enjoy, as I said sometimes you have to be the grownup in the room.

Not that's not what you were saying at all, this is what you have been saying:

"if your customer's/user's do not have the right equipment to decode 4K transmission"
"the first thing you see is a girl standing there, with half of her face missing"
"you certainly have to have graphics card and monitor capable of outputting a 4K display"
"unless it says 4K capable, it can not"

Also you being a moderator on Chaturbate means absolutely zero. There was no "we", you weren't the on broadcasting, the model was. Chaturbate also will offer every stream at lower resolutions, so someone streaming in 4k doesn't prevent them from watching it in 1080p or lower...

 

[bamdicted]

I'm sorry, I was not saying if it would play or not, I was referring to the full 4K experience, in true 4K. It's like having a HD+ tag on your camera window, means you can broadcast in 1080p or 4K, but most stay at 1080p so all users can enjoy. I used to be a Moderator at Chaturbate and even though we could do 4K we stayed at 1080p so all users could enjoy, as I said sometimes you have to be the grownup in the room.

Sorry, but it sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. All users can enjoy a 4K stream equally, but at different resolutions, it doesn't mean that a user setting the resolution at 1080p only sees a quarter of the picture, just like if a user set the resolution in a 1080p stream to 720p it not only shows half the screen.

And honestly, if you advise a model to stream in a lower resolution than she is capable of, you give bad advice.

And the last point, a moderator claiming to be the grownup in the room, is why moderators get a bad name among users. (And I am also a moderator on CB)

 

[corky888]

Wow, What is the difference between a HD TV and a 4K TV, You recommend to a model what resolution to stream in, most users to not know what 4K is only that it is supposed to be the best, if you do not have a graphic's card or monitor capable of producing a true full 4K image then the user would need to go to 1080p resolution, I'm sorry but someone does not seem to realize what they are talking about , I'm done talking about this. https://www.twice.com/retailing/what-makes-4k-uhd-so-much-better-than-todays-hdtv

 

[Emberblaze]

Don't most porn sites (or sites period) just auto adjust resolution to fit your screen?

 

[bamdicted]

Wow, What is the difference between a HD TV and a 4K TV, You recommend to a model what resolution to stream in, most users to not know what 4K is only that it is supposed to be the best, if you do not have a graphic's card or monitor capable of producing a true full 4K image then the user would need to go to 1080p resolution, I'm sorry but someone does not seem to realize what they are talking about , I'm done talking about this. https://www.twice.com/retailing/what-makes-4k-uhd-so-much-better-than-todays-hdtv

I never said that I get the full 4K experience, just that the stream output is not cropped, but downscaled to the resolution your device allows. You claimed it was cropped:

For instance, if you stand in front of 4K camera and look at yourself on your 4K TV, it will be great, get your head positioned. so it appears all is great. Now if you could see that Image, the first thing you see is a girl standing there, with half of her face missing, beware !!!.

That is not true!!!

 

[corky888]

Most you can adjust but they do have a default

 

[corky888]

I never said that I get the full 4K experience, just that the stream output is not cropped, but downscaled to the resolution your device allows. You claimed it was cropped:

That is not true!!!

Yes it is as 4K has 4 times the detail more than 1080p, so looking at 4K would be in pixels 3,840 x 2,160 where as 1920 x 1080 would be HD 1080p, thus image in 4K would appear smaller because 4 times as much data is crammed into image, 1080p HD image would appear slightly larger.

 

[bamdicted]

Most you can adjust but they do have a default

It has never been an issue in the 4K room I am regular in. In fact her traffic increased when she started steaming 4K, go figure.

Bottom line is 4K streams do not get cropped, they get downscaled. And advising a model to stream in a lower resolution than her equipment can handle is bad advice.

 

[bamdicted]

I can also search for sources online: https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/downscaling-4k-1080p-online-compression/

 

[AmberCutie]

I've personally had my OBS set to stream 720p and a lower bitrate to my MFC broadcast because for a long time, they had no way for the members to adjust the stream on their end. And there were a lot of people who couldn't handle my stream at 1080 due to this.

Now MFC has ways to adjust it on the member side, so if someone's running a backwoods ISP connection on an old-ass computer, they can still find a way to watch smoothly. Once my own Internet gets its shit together, I'll be moving up to 1080 and higher bitrate, maybe even 60fps, to have an even more sharp image on my stream.

I think corky might have been trying to say something like what I mention in my first sentence above, he just doesn't know how to say it properly. But I'd never suggest someone NOT buy the best HD camera they can.

 

[corky888]

It has never been an issue in the 4K room I am regular in. In fact her traffic increased when she started steaming 4K, go figure.

Bottom line is 4K streams do not get cropped, they get downscaled. And advising a model to stream in a lower resolution than her equipment can handle is bad advice.

Depends on how you look at it, all user's will go for the 4K look cause they heard it is the best, they click on 4K, either because of their internet connection, graphics card or Monitor with a HD limit of 1920 x 1080 the picture is not that great, they leave room for a better picture/stream. Logitech BRIO webcam while being 4K capable, 1920 x 1080p looks great, 720p too, rather than have some user leave because picture was bad in 4K, I recommended 1080p. We can discuss this here but users going to Chaturbate have one thing in mind or most of them, they are not going to play to long with different resolutions, there already only using one hand, the other is busy, lol

 

[cbhours]

If you have a webcam and you have to chose between 4k 30fps and 1080p 60fps then please pick 1080p 60fps. It's the preferred choice and right now I don't think any particular cam site gives 4k a priority....yet...right? If CB for example one day decides to put 4k in front of 1080p models when users check "Prioritize HD cameras" then picking 4k makes sense.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I love my Logitech Brios, but I hate the fact that I have to constantly go into the Logi Capture software to mess around with the settings (auto white balance), because sometimes I'll look washed up on cam. This was never a problem with the Logitech C920 and previous models. I mean, I'll be "running late" as it is to get on cam, and then I'll notice this, and then I have to exit out of the OBS software (Pain in the ass)...go into Logi Capture to fuck around with the settings...then RE-ENTER OBS to start broadcasting on MFC. Looks like I'll have to do this every night now.

 

[cbhours]

I love my Logitech Brios, but I hate the fact that I have to constantly go into the Logi Capture software to mess around with the settings (auto white balance), because sometimes I'll look washed up on cam. This was never a problem with the Logitech C920 and previous models. I mean, I'll be "running late" as it is to get on cam, and then I'll notice this, and then I have to exit out of the OBS software (Pain in the ass)...go into Logi Capture to fuck around with the settings...then RE-ENTER OBS to start broadcasting on MFC. Looks like I'll have to do this every night now.

Try my cam settings tool at https://www.cbhours.com/camsettingstool.php should allow you to select the brio on the left hand side and modify the color settings directly.

 

[Deleted member 57737]

I have a similar problem with the c922. I can't switch off auto focus permanently. Would that be possible with your Tool @cbhours ?

 

[cbhours]

I have a similar problem with the c922. I can't switch off auto focus permanently. Would that be possible with your Tool @cbhours ?

permanently? no it won't survive the camera being disconnected or rebooting but you can save any settings you set and then later load those same settings. My cam settings tool also reads the settings every few seconds so if they get changed by another program you'll see that change on my cam settings tool.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I'm so happy with the Logitech Brio...part of me just wants to delete all of my videos that were done with previous Logitech cams. Haha. Yeah, I'm not gonna do all that...lol.

I have two Brios now (one for each laptop), and now I have two Logitech C920s that I don't even need anymore. I could try to sell them on Facebook Marketplace or OfferUp (Even if I only get $20), but I'm worried about it doing that occasional thing again where the webcam video just freezes up randomly. I know Amber had said that's a common complaint with the older Logitech models (C920, etc.). I just don't want someone to buy it and then if it actually happens to them that same day, they think I'm a scammer who sold them a piece of crap. The one C920 was purchased in mid-December 2020, and the other one was purchased earlier in 2020, so they're not old or anything like that.

This was tonight on the Logitech Brio with the Inkeltech softbox light.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

@yummybrownfox you look great! So clear, so well-lit!