MFC Agent ??banned?

[sxycherrypie]

I'm loving this thread. :-D

 

[Jupiter551]

if A99 is arrested and prosecuted on child pornography charges, which you seem to be suggesting is in the works, wouldn't every single person who viewed her room, at least during the incidents in question, be guilty of viewing child pornography, from the viewpoint of the FBI or whoever it is you're in contact with?

At the very least, wouldn't the tippers be in trouble, and at most, couldn't MFC itself be in very serious trouble here?

:roll:

In a word, NO.

Can I ask why, exactly? Considering how ambitious some prosecutors can be, I'm legitimately concerned here.

Prosecutors are ambitious but it's tempered with caution, I think. It's usually police who seem to want extra charges pursued and prosecutors - wary of their conviction rate - that will only go for the safe bets.

Oh and I might add, trying to prosecute members for this would be ludicrously insane. There was no apparent intent to commit or view child pornography by her tippers. Nor by A99 for that matter, and I highly doubt she's going to be tried for child pornography.

If it's anything to do with that stuff at all it'll be a technicality revolving around 2257 as a whole, and even if there are minors I think they would fall under that umbrella rather than production of child porn charges.

All of this is insanely unlikely. More likely to me is she got busted somewhere camming, Leo is distancing himself by banning her (and in the middle of a good month of her earnings probably didn't stay his hand either).

 

[Crustyz]

Why don't the other models that break the rules get banned? That would help a lot. :confusion-scratchheadyellow:

 

[Jupiter551]

Why don't the other models that break the rules get banned? That would help a lot. :confusion-scratchheadyellow:

Models that have men on cam usually do, swiftly. A lot of the "outrage" was that she not only didn't get banned, but it was a daily event like the rules didn't apply.

Whether all rule-breaches should be treated equally is a whole different discussion, but as far as I've seen there is a hierarchy and men on cam is up near the top on the list of bannable things.

There is also some leniency (it seems) when there are men on cam but not in a sexual context - ie the good old pizza delivery show. These don't get punished as quickly as say, a blowjob, but I suspect if it was your daily routine sooner or later you'd be banned.

IMO, she got away with a TON more than any other model does.

 

[AlexLady]

Because... there's a difference between breaking a rule, and breaking a law. The laws are there to protect people's rights while giving you your own. Rules are there to keep a site from being sued and it being their fault.

 

[Bocefish]

if A99 is arrested and prosecuted on child pornography charges, which you seem to be suggesting is in the works, wouldn't every single person who viewed her room, at least during the incidents in question, be guilty of viewing child pornography, from the viewpoint of the FBI or whoever it is you're in contact with?

At the very least, wouldn't the tippers be in trouble, and at most, couldn't MFC itself be in very serious trouble here?

:roll:

In a word, NO.

Can I ask why, exactly? Considering how ambitious some prosecutors can be, I'm legitimately concerned here.

If you dared somebody to rob a bank and even gave him 5 dollars incentive, would you be responsible for their actions? No, because if they did rob the bank it was of their own free will, nobody forced them. MFC is covered due to the contract she signed and they did eventually take action in attempts to make her stop.

 

[Zoomer]

If you dared somebody to rob a bank and even gave him 5 dollars incentive, would you be responsible for their actions? No, because if they did rob the bank it was of their own free will, nobody forced them.

:?

It's called conspiracy isn't it? If I dared someone $5 to shoot you, I'd be guilty of conspiracy surely - and if they did it, I'd be guilty of murder... wouldn't I?

 

[schlmoe]

if A99 is arrested and prosecuted on child pornography charges, which you seem to be suggesting is in the works, wouldn't every single person who viewed her room, at least during the incidents in question, be guilty of viewing child pornography, from the viewpoint of the FBI or whoever it is you're in contact with?

At the very least, wouldn't the tippers be in trouble, and at most, couldn't MFC itself be in very serious trouble here?

:roll:

In a word, NO.

Can I ask why, exactly? Considering how ambitious some prosecutors can be, I'm legitimately concerned here.

Jupiter kind of answered this, and I'll echo that LEA really has bigger fish to fry than to go after MFC members. While it could conceivably happen, the probability is very, very low. And while I didn't see the show(s) in question, and while I'm not a lawyer: all this child pornography talk is a bunch of horseradish. "Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor", "Child Endangerment", and the like would be more appropriate. That would be in addition to any "Public Lewdness" type laws A99 could be held to.

If any members viewed those A99 shows and are concerned about it, well, I wouldn't worry unless you see this guy on your front porch:

 

[Bocefish]

@Cordoba... Why do think anybody in 99's room could be guilty of child pornography charges? Explain your reasoning because that makes absolutely no sense unless you saw something specific.

 

[Jupiter551]

If you dared somebody to rob a bank and even gave him 5 dollars incentive, would you be responsible for their actions? No, because if they did rob the bank it was of their own free will, nobody forced them.

:?

It's called conspiracy isn't it? If I dared someone $5 to shoot you, I'd be guilty of conspiracy surely - and if they did it, I'd be guilty of murder... wouldn't I?

Lol not over $5, you'd claim you were kidding and no jury in the world would believe otherwise (and no police or prosecutor would pursue it without additional evidence).

If you offered them $10,000 to shoot someone, and upon examination you had motive/means to pay/put down a deposit or a "reasonable person would reasonably believe" you were serious then yes you'd be guilty of murder if it was successful, and conspiracy to commit murder if it was busted in the planning stages and attempted murder if it was tried and failed.

Additionally, daring someone to do something and paying/offering to pay someone are slightly different.

Either way if you honestly intend to inspire someone to commit a crime and they do it, yeah you're liable.

 

[SirLes]

this seems really appropriate to this thread right now,

 

[Cordoba855]

@Cordoba... Why do think anybody in 99's room could be guilty of child pornography charges? Explain your reasoning because that makes absolutely no sense unless you saw something specific.

AngelAndrea implied that whoever she had been talking to had said that "the children do not have to be in any sort of undress [or] even be aware of her actions to be considered a... possible pornography charge."

As far as I know the incidents involved kids incidentally entering the background of her shows, so this seems to be almost absurd, but I was going off of what she said, since she's the one who apparently reported A99 to a whole bunch of different agencies. If she's correct and those are charges pursued by authorities, then by the logic being used by those authorities I would assume the show itself would be considered underage pornography.

 

[Zoomer]

@Cordoba... Why do think anybody in 99's room could be guilty of child pornography charges? Explain your reasoning because that makes absolutely no sense unless you saw something specific.

AngelAndrea implied that whoever she had been talking to had said that "the children do not have to be in any sort of undress [or] even be aware of her actions to be considered a... possible pornography charge."

As far as I know the incidents involved kids incidentally entering the background of her shows, so this seems to be almost absurd, but I was going off of what she said, since she's the one who apparently reported A99 to a whole bunch of different agencies. If she's correct and those are charges pursued by authorities, then by the logic being used by those authorities I would assume the show itself would be considered underage pornography.

I provided a link, and definitions, of child pornography earlier in the thread. To me, it isn't, and doesn't fit with the actual prosecution of "child porn" level charges.
Others thought what they'd seen did. However, you can look back to see.
Regarding what she's been banned for, is liable for, etc - its all speculation until something concrete comes to light. She's "gone" until further notice, and as much as folks can guess, who knows. For instance, i checked out the 2257 - and the only part of it she possibly violates was if they touch, or interact with her, whilst naked (as far as I understood).
Again, different people may interpret what it said differently.

One of the cases that when nothing of authority makes a statement, rumours run rife and gain momentum...

 

[zxtx26]

If the rules were properly enforced, i.e no public masturbation, how much traffic would they loose? Also kids are probably watching but what is to stop them same as on any porn site or youtube for that matter. Anyway Leo does annoy me with his antics of ban the little guys, makes me thing there is something going on there...

 

[Jupiter551]

If the rules were properly enforced, i.e no public masturbation, how much traffic would they loose? Also kids are probably watching but what is to stop them same as on any porn site or youtube for that matter. Anyway Leo does annoy me with his antics of ban the little guys, makes me thing there is something going on there...

Oh yeah totally, I can't imagine what Leo's motive would be when trying to decide how to enforce the rules.



OH WAIT, maybe it's this

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

The drama is gone..... I feel cold and dead inside.
:crybaby:

 

[Keithy]

fuck you retard stand by that and my so called bad english. keep that in mine while you get your welfare check and live in your trailer!! try keeping your nose/comments to your self then. if you don't care about agent99. losser dickhead :lol: ow and you stop leaving messages about my comments. if you can't take it then stop dishing it out!! i firer shit bags like you all the time trying to make yourself feel better by reaching at straws and trying to make something out of nothing :lol:

Bad English? Never. He "firer" shit bags all the time. Clearly I'm reaching at straws by making up shit and being a "losser dickhead" and I should just keep my comments to myself. I wish I could be so cool as to make shit up with nothing to back up what I say.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

fuck you retard stand by that and my so called bad english. keep that in mine while you get your welfare check and live in your trailer!! try keeping your nose/comments to your self then. if you don't care about agent99. losser dickhead :lol: ow and you stop leaving messages about my comments. if you can't take it then stop dishing it out!! i firer shit bags like you all the time trying to make yourself feel better by reaching at straws and trying to make something out of nothing :lol:

It's so cord.
Where is snowprow?

 

[nzhere]

Agent_99 still has her mfc account , just her profile is turned off

If you go in send pm and try to send one to Agent_99 that username is still found...

 

[Bocefish]

Agent_99 still has her mfc account , just her profile is turned off

If you go in send pm and try to send one to Agent_99 that username is still found...

Send her one for me and ask her how she's doing with her profile turned off.

 

[Jupiter551]

So....completely hypothetical for a minute here, and I'm not suggesting any of this is necessarily likely the case or whatever.

a) If someone had allegedly committed a crime whilst using MFC as a model, and if the crime(s) charged perhaps spanned both their actions in real life and the transmission of those actions via webcam and/or making money from said crime; would anything that may be used as evidence of that crime, and any proceeds thereof - ie the person's bank account, and in this case possibly archives and other information from MFC - be requested via a warrant or subpoena?

b) If that were to occur, the logical step for a company like MFC to take (assuming they disavow any knowledge or responsibility for the alleged crime) would be to suspend the person in question and freeze any due assets until the investigation/case is complete, and then ban or reinstate accordingly. In fact it might be a condition of the warrant etc that any and all pertaining to the MFC account be frozen so it cannot be altered or removed.

 

[nzhere]

I'm referring to "Send Private message" which is at the bottom of the Online Friends list.

If you enter "agent_99" it says username found

 

[AmberCutie]

I'm referring to "Send Private message" which is at the bottom of the Online Friends list.

If you enter "agent_99" it says username found

Well she's (presumably) been banned, not deleted.

 

[AmeliaTwist]

I had one of 99's regulars in my room last night who claimed that she had not been banned, but had voluntarily left MFC. And that he got this information by emailing MFC and asking what happened to her.

Those emails are the ones that MFC is spending time replying to? Inquiries about Agent_99's disappearance? Yeah, right.

 

[JerMajesty]

Someone suggested I ask Leo (if i see him) or his friend Alex (the one who sets up the MFC booth ) at Exxxotica as to what really happened to A99....


Oh well..itll make for at least good small talk .... :lol:

 

[Cordoba855]

So....completely hypothetical for a minute here, and I'm not suggesting any of this is necessarily likely the case or whatever.

a) If someone had allegedly committed a crime whilst using MFC as a model, and if the crime(s) charged perhaps spanned both their actions in real life and the transmission of those actions via webcam and/or making money from said crime; would anything that may be used as evidence of that crime, and any proceeds thereof - ie the person's bank account, and in this case possibly archives and other information from MFC - be requested via a warrant or subpoena?

b) If that were to occur, the logical step for a company like MFC to take (assuming they disavow any knowledge or responsibility for the alleged crime) would be to suspend the person in question and freeze any due assets until the investigation/case is complete, and then ban or reinstate accordingly. In fact it might be a condition of the warrant etc that any and all pertaining to the MFC account be frozen so it cannot be altered or removed.

I would think law enforcement wouldn't want the person being investigated to know anything was out of the ordinary, so they couldn't destroy any evidence, such as their hard drive or, hypothetically, flee to another jurisdiction.

 

[Keithy]

I had one of 99's regulars in my room last night who claimed that she had not been banned, but had voluntarily left MFC. And that he got this information by emailing MFC and asking what happened to her.

Those emails are the ones that MFC is spending time replying to? Inquiries about Agent_99's disappearance? Yeah, right.

Yeah, MFC replying to e-mail about internal matters that don't involve anyone but MFC and a99? I doubt it. Then again, since a99 claims she's married to "that Leo" who knows. In her world it all makes sense.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I had one of 99's regulars in my room last night who claimed that she had not been banned, but had voluntarily left MFC. And that he got this information by emailing MFC and asking what happened to her.

Those emails are the ones that MFC is spending time replying to? Inquiries about Agent_99's disappearance? Yeah, right.

And in his world, do pigs sprout wings and fly?

 

[camstory]

I had one of 99's regulars in my room last night who claimed that she had not been banned, but had voluntarily left MFC. And that he got this information by emailing MFC and asking what happened to her.

Those emails are the ones that MFC is spending time replying to? Inquiries about Agent_99's disappearance? Yeah, right.

Yeah, MFC replying to e-mail about internal matters that don't involve anyone but MFC and a99? I doubt it. Then again, since a99 claims she's married to "that Leo" who knows. In her world it all makes sense.

Is this claim of marriage in jest, or does she say it seriously. I have been doing some research on Leo and I have found nothing one way or the other on his marital status.

 

[Jupiter551]

I had one of 99's regulars in my room last night who claimed that she had not been banned, but had voluntarily left MFC. And that he got this information by emailing MFC and asking what happened to her.

Those emails are the ones that MFC is spending time replying to? Inquiries about Agent_99's disappearance? Yeah, right.

Yeah, MFC replying to e-mail about internal matters that don't involve anyone but MFC and a99? I doubt it. Then again, since a99 claims she's married to "that Leo" who knows. In her world it all makes sense.

Is this claim of marriage in jest, or does she say it seriously. I have been doing some research on Leo and I have found nothing one way or the other on his marital status.

I'm pretty sure that was just a joke/prank she pulled that gullible idiots in her room believed so she kept going with it.