Miss mfc yearly competition

[Kickaz]

I'm still stuck on the part where you implied that being a camgirl for 5 hours a day is harder than other people's jobs. :/

Have you, like, HAD other jobs? Because I'd switch places with you in a second if I had the ass for it, and it took me 8 years of college to earn the right to do my incredibly difficult and demanding job and I still don't make close to what I'm sure you make. But I guess I don't work hard enough.

When I started camming I had three full time jobs (including camming). I know what it means to have no life and run on two hours of sleep.

Just because camming looks easy, doesn't necessarily mean it is easy. It's physically, emotionally and mentally draining to be entertaining for 5 to 10h straight.
When you have a headache you can still show up for work and you will get your job done. If a camgirl gets a headache or personal problem, it will likely impact our performance and income. The crowds can pick up on our energy and if we are cranky and boring they will just click next model.

 

[yossarian]

I'm still stuck on the part where you implied that being a camgirl for 5 hours a day is harder than other people's jobs. :/

Have you, like, HAD other jobs? Because I'd switch places with you in a second if I had the ass for it, and it took me 8 years of college to earn the right to do my incredibly difficult and demanding job and I still don't make close to what I'm sure you make. But I guess I don't work hard enough.

When I started camming I had three full time jobs (including camming). I know what it means to have no life and run on two hours of sleep.

Just because camming looks easy, doesn't necessarily mean it is easy. It's physically, emotionally and mentally draining to be entertaining for 5 to 10h straight.
When you have a headache you can still show up for work and you will get your job done. If a camgirl gets a headache or personal problem, it will likely impact our performance and income. The crowds can pick up on our energy and if we are cranky and boring they will just click next model.

I never said it wasn't hard. I believe it would be. But I'm just a little leery of your "hard work = all the money/benefits" view of things because in the real world it DOESN'T work that way. It works the OPPOSITE of that way. It's why people can bust their asses at three jobs and die broke. So what I took from your comments (and what others seem to take from your comments) is that people who aren't financially successful--whether they are camgirls or ditch-diggers--just don't work as hard as you do in your five hours a day on cam. Correct me if I misinterpreted that.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

From the responses I understand that people have different factors that motivate them.

I get super motivated when I set super hard goals and I lose interest when I set easier goals in general. When I first started on mfc with a camscore of 800, I watched the top models and my goal was that one day i wanted to be one of them, so the miss mfc competition was what really drove my success and the top models inspired me to do better, not worse.

I understand some people might not enjoy the pressure of competition and they might get demoralized.
However the reason why mfc has the potential it does it's because of this competition.
I have pitched in the idea to mfc and I don't know if they will implement it. I'm alright if they don't but I didn't think it would demotivate so many models. That was never my intention. It was quite the opposite actually.

The thing is MFC is basically a zero sum game. If tomorrow every model on the site doubled the number of hours she worked, it would barely increase the total revenue of MFC. The main effect would be to cut everyones hourly earnings by half. The top 100 competition already attracts a disproportion number of viewers and tippers. Especially near the end of the month, where MFC looks more like world cup competition than a porn site.

So anything that you do that encourages the top 20 girls to work longer and harder means the 500+ viewers and large number of whales that top 20 girls attract are going to be in their room watching and tipping instead of in the rooms other 20,000 models who log on each month.

 

[yossarian]

From the responses I understand that people have different factors that motivate them.

I get super motivated when I set super hard goals and I lose interest when I set easier goals in general. When I first started on mfc with a camscore of 800, I watched the top models and my goal was that one day i wanted to be one of them, so the miss mfc competition was what really drove my success and the top models inspired me to do better, not worse.

I understand some people might not enjoy the pressure of competition and they might get demoralized.
However the reason why mfc has the potential it does it's because of this competition.
I have pitched in the idea to mfc and I don't know if they will implement it. I'm alright if they don't but I didn't think it would demotivate so many models. That was never my intention. It was quite the opposite actually.

The thing is MFC is basically a zero sum game. If tomorrow every model on the site doubled the number of hours she worked, it would barely increase the total revenue of MFC. The main effect would be to cut everyones hourly earnings by half. The top 100 competition already attracts a disproportion number of viewers and tippers. Especially near the end of the month, where MFC looks more like world cup competition than a porn site.

So anything that you do that encourages the top 20 girls to work longer and harder means the 500+ viewers and large number of whales that top 20 girls attract are going to be in their room watching and tipping instead of in the rooms other 20,000 models who log on each month.

And it makes MFC feel more like this:

 

[Sevrin]

I don't think it would add a lot to the experience of the average member or model on MFC, but the average member or model is not the one who brings in the majority of revenue for the site. It's a lot easier to increase revenue by focusing on what already brings in the majority of revenue, and that is promoting the top models.

With that said, I think that need is sufficiently covered by the monthly contest. I don't think a Miss MFC of the Year contest based on annual earnings would add a lot to that. Some of the top models won't have worked a full year, and this kind of competition would not be encouraging to them in the short term, which is kind of important in a job where a bad cam session can be a turn-off.

As far as the whole thing about what hours camming takes, I'm under the impression that many models put a lot more time into their careers than simply the time they are on cams. It's not fair to say that it's only the hours on cam should count, any more than, say, only classroom time should count for teachers who spend evenings grading assignments or preparing lesson plans. Some models might not do much more than turn on their cam or show up at the studio, but I don't think it's the case for the models on ACF, and it's certainly not true for the top earners.

 

[RebeccaT]

A yearly competition?

Oh lord...yet more tweets begging for offline love to make the top 100!

Me? I'm happy at #4704 :-D

 

[LilyMarie]

Oh lord...yet more tweets begging for offline love to make the top 100!

I'm against the idea of a yearly competition too, and not very interested in Miss MFC ranks in general, but that comment was uncalled for. :/

 

[Fay_Galore]

Oh lord...yet more tweets begging for offline love to make the top 100!

I'm against the idea of a yearly competition too, and not very interested in Miss MFC ranks in general, but that comment was uncalled for. :/

huh, how?

 

[curvyredhead]

I admit I like the year---just so i can see how i am doing comparably to the rest of the site in a year.

 

[Kickaz]

A yearly competition?

Oh lord...yet more tweets begging for offline love to make the top 100!

Me? I'm happy at #4704 :-D

Good for you that you are happy. You confuse motivation with begging. I have yet to see many models that beg for tokens and get into the top 100.

Also preaching about begging when you openly are asking for money on your profile is not cool. I can totally sympathize and can relate with your health problems (dealt with it in my family) and would gladly help ppl in need but your assumption has very little base.

 

[LilyMarie]

A yearly competition?

Oh lord...yet more tweets begging for offline love to make the top 100!

Me? I'm happy at #4704 :-D

Good for you that you are happy. You confuse motivation with begging. I have yet to see many models that beg for tokens and get into the top 100.

Also preaching about begging when you openly are asking for money on your profile is not cool. I can totally sympathize and can relate with your health problems (dealt with it in my family) and would gladly help ppl in need but your assumption has very little base.

Yep. People need to be more careful with the word 'beg' in general. It sucks seeing a fellow camgirl use it, talking about other camgirls.
A tweet like '#97 on Miss MFC right now, let's try to stay in the top 100! All offline tips help, we can do this! ' is not begging. Especially when a model is working her butt off online, too.

 

[Fay_Galore]

ah, it was obviously meant in a jokey way. let's not put salt on every comment(snail).

 

[RebeccaT]

A yearly competition?

Oh lord...yet more tweets begging for offline love to make the top 100!

Me? I'm happy at #4704 :-D

Good for you that you are happy. You confuse motivation with begging. I have yet to see many models that beg for tokens and get into the top 100.

Also preaching about begging when you openly are asking for money on your profile is not cool. I can totally sympathize and can relate with your health problems (dealt with it in my family) and would gladly help ppl in need but your assumption has very little base.

Hell's teeth, people!

I'm sorry you all took it the wrong way. I consider myself chastised. Apologies to all.

EDIT: My plea for help on my profile has now been removed as I am no longer in need. I had forgotten it was there.

 

[mankor]

A yearly competition?

Oh lord...yet more tweets begging for offline love to make the top 100!

Me? I'm happy at #4704 :-D

Good for you that you are happy. You confuse motivation with begging. I have yet to see many models that beg for tokens and get into the top 100.

Also preaching about begging when you openly are asking for money on your profile is not cool. I can totally sympathize and can relate with your health problems (dealt with it in my family) and would gladly help ppl in need but your assumption has very little base.

Hell's teeth, people!

I'm sorry you all took it the wrong way. I consider myself chastised. Apologies to all.

EDIT: My plea for help on my profile has now been removed as I am no longer in need. I had forgotten it was there.

Well here are two problems with the online world today highlighted quite clearly - misinterpretation, and dull twitter feeds. If most of what I see from a model on twitter are tweets about how I can give them and MFC money when I'm not even watching them on cam, I will unfollow. Boring. Those who want to misinterpret my thoughts on this will, I'm sure, so good luck to you, but as the customer here I should be right!

 

[LilyMarie]

If most of what I see from a model on twitter are tweets about how I can give them and MFC money when I'm not even watching them on cam, I will unfollow. Boring.

Why do you follow models who you don't watch on MFC?

 

[mankor]

If most of what I see from a model on twitter are tweets about how I can give them and MFC money when I'm not even watching them on cam, I will unfollow. Boring.

Why do you follow models who you don't watch on MFC?

That is not what I said, please read the sentence again.

 

[LilyMarie]

If most of what I see from a model on twitter are tweets about how I can give them and MFC money when I'm not even watching them on cam, I will unfollow. Boring.

Why do you follow models who you don't watch on MFC?

That is not what I said, please read the sentence again.

I did, and I'm still understanding the same thing. Maybe it's a language issue, please enlighten me...

 

[JickyJuly]

You can get away with a little hustling on the Twitter if you otherwise are interactive and employ humor. I pimp my wishlist pretty often and tweet sometimes when I'm on Streamate and things are dullsville. As long as you're not a constant barrage of gimmes, no one seems to mind. If I was as likeable on camera as I manage to be on Twitter, I'd be doing substantially better. Hehehe.

 

[mynameisbob84]

If most of what I see from a model on twitter are tweets about how I can give them and MFC money when I'm not even watching them on cam, I will unfollow. Boring.

Why do you follow models who you don't watch on MFC?

That is not what I said, please read the sentence again.

I did, and I'm still understanding the same thing. Maybe it's a language issue, please enlighten me...

I think he means he follows the cam girls whose rooms he visits, but he's not going to tip them when he's not in their room (which is what a plea for offline tips is asking him to do). Which is fair enough, I guess.

I used to offline tip a fair bit, but am now of the mindset that an offline tip for model A who isn't working today, is one less tip for model B or C or D who is working today :twocents-02cents:

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

You can get away with a little hustling on the Twitter if you otherwise are interactive and employ humor. I pimp my wishlist pretty often and tweet sometimes when I'm on Streamate and things are dullsville. As long as you're not a constant barrage of gimmes, no one seems to mind. If I was as likeable on camera as I manage to be on Twitter, I'd be doing substantially better. Hehehe.

Ya I don't mind a little commercialization on twitter. It seems like fair trade off for getting sexy photos, along with the funny stuff. I actually like knowing things like when you'll be on cam and what you'll be doing. The way I figure it many camgirls have 10x or more twitter followers than regulars who come to their rooms, if they can convert some of their twitter lurkers into MFC premiums that is good for all..

The one Miss MFC competition I'd like to see is who can signup the most NEW premiums. That way it would benefit the site as whole and not just the individual model.

 

[AllisonWilder]

The one Miss MFC competition I'd like to see is who can signup the most NEW premiums. That way it would benefit the site as whole and not just the individual model.

That would actually be a really neat feature on MFC, even if it's not competitive.

 

[mutantdonut]

I'm still stuck on the part where you implied that being a camgirl for 5 hours a day is harder than other people's jobs. :/

Have you, like, HAD other jobs? Because I'd switch places with you in a second if I had the ass for it, and it took me 8 years of college to earn the right to do my incredibly difficult and demanding job and I still don't make close to what I'm sure you make. But I guess I don't work hard enough.

When I started camming I had three full time jobs (including camming). I know what it means to have no life and run on two hours of sleep.

Just because camming looks easy, doesn't necessarily mean it is easy. It's physically, emotionally and mentally draining to be entertaining for 5 to 10h straight.
When you have a headache you can still show up for work and you will get your job done. If a camgirl gets a headache or personal problem, it will likely impact our performance and income. The crowds can pick up on our energy and if we are cranky and boring they will just click next model.

I never said it wasn't hard. I believe it would be. But I'm just a little leery of your "hard work = all the money/benefits" view of things because in the real world it DOESN'T work that way. It works the OPPOSITE of that way. It's why people can bust their asses at three jobs and die broke. So what I took from your comments (and what others seem to take from your comments) is that people who aren't financially successful--whether they are camgirls or ditch-diggers--just don't work as hard as you do in your five hours a day on cam. Correct me if I misinterpreted that.

As mentioned in the 'spending habits' thread, there are models who put forth diligent effort when camming, yet receive very little in return. A model may try to optimize herself in order to maximize her success - be as beautiful as she can be, awesome personality, engaging, smiles often, etc - but the reality is that camming can be fickle, and a stroke of luck also factor's into a model's success. The playing field isn't evened out for everyone, unfortunately, and various models hit a glass ceiling. I think this is especially true for models based outside of North America or outside an English speaking country for that matter (i.e. Australia, the UK). It seems most mfc users are from North America, and overwhelmingly prefer North American models for any number reasons; whether it's due to lack of language barriers or gravitation towards one's own American culture, etc. This presents an extra tough challenge for models outside of English speaking countries, who try to put forth the same level of effort as a wildly successful American model but can't even sniff the same success.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I not totally against the idea of a yearly competition, though I think only a very small population of models would ever stand a chance of winning this. I do think that it would make some crazy competition between about 10 MFC models. And Mfc probably would earn more from those girls, though I don't know if they'd earn more over all. As those models earn more on the site than other models it makes some sense to reward their time investment. Though as a model who can't even comprehend being on the top 20 once it is daunting to think of the idea of being over all successful for an entire year. It's not something I would ever be a part of. But I see no reason that the girls who are doing so well should be limited because I cannot hope to achieve those levels of success.

Personally though I would rather better prizes for the top 100 and prizes going up to the top 250. I'm not talking crazy amounts, but a bit more incentive. Even if you just scrape the top 100 you've still made myfreecams about 14 grand. Maybe like a 5000 token tip from them rather than a 2000 token tip and obviously have the prizes getting bigger as you go. The amounts are just constantly getting more and more so it makes sense to make the prizes higher and encourage a larger amount of models to compete for the top spaces. I also think like they give more advertisement to girls who've won miss MFC it'd be cool if there were more advertising rewards for girls who've made the top 20 and top 100 even if they haven't won the top spaces. I'm not talking off site advertising, just around the site.

The competitions definitely encourage models and members alike to work harder and strive to achieve more so I definitely think they should be made the most out of throughout all models. I also think that the models who earn less usually shouldn't be put off. One model might not be able to earn 270k tokens+ in one month but if she worked hard she could make 150k-200k tokens which is still a really incredible amount to earn! With so many models being online at one time and more and more models earning quite serious amounts of cash it only makes sense to make space for more rewards. Fair enough only rewarding the top 20/top 100 when you only have 1000-2000 models working on your whole site, but MFC has 1000-2000 models working at any given time. I love that they've now made the top 250 models open, but I feel it shouldn't stop there.

 

[GweenBlack]

I'm still stuck on the part where you implied that being a camgirl for 5 hours a day is harder than other people's jobs. :/

Have you, like, HAD other jobs? Because I'd switch places with you in a second if I had the ass for it, and it took me 8 years of college to earn the right to do my incredibly difficult and demanding job and I still don't make close to what I'm sure you make. But I guess I don't work hard enough.

When I started camming I had three full time jobs (including camming). I know what it means to have no life and run on two hours of sleep.

Just because camming looks easy, doesn't necessarily mean it is easy. It's physically, emotionally and mentally draining to be entertaining for 5 to 10h straight.
When you have a headache you can still show up for work and you will get your job done. If a camgirl gets a headache or personal problem, it will likely impact our performance and income. The crowds can pick up on our energy and if we are cranky and boring they will just click next model.

I never said it wasn't hard. I believe it would be. But I'm just a little leery of your "hard work = all the money/benefits" view of things because in the real world it DOESN'T work that way. It works the OPPOSITE of that way. It's why people can bust their asses at three jobs and die broke. So what I took from your comments (and what others seem to take from your comments) is that people who aren't financially successful--whether they are camgirls or ditch-diggers--just don't work as hard as you do in your five hours a day on cam. Correct me if I misinterpreted that.

As mentioned in the 'spending habits' thread, there are models who put forth diligent effort when camming, yet receive very little in return. A model may try to optimize herself in order to maximize her success - be as beautiful as she can be, awesome personality, engaging, smiles often, etc - but the reality is that camming can be fickle, and a stroke of luck also factor's into a model's success. The playing field isn't evened out for everyone, unfortunately, and various models hit a glass ceiling. I think this is especially true for models based outside of North America or outside an English speaking country for that matter (i.e. Australia, the UK). It seems most mfc users are from North America, and overwhelmingly prefer North American models for any number reasons; whether it's due to lack of language barriers or gravitation towards one's own American culture, etc. This presents an extra tough challenge for models outside of English speaking countries, who try to put forth the same level of effort as a wildly successful American model but can't even sniff the same success.

I am Brazilian (and living in Brazil too) and my accent is a little scary at first, since they usually expect an american/canadian model. I make some grammar mistakes from time to time and I am trying hard to make it better and better but well, i am still non american. Not saying that i feel different about it, i am actually doing pretty good as a non-american/english girl on MFC and i won't stop improving and learning.

Just to add about this, i don't think this can be a BIIIIIG ISSUE for me after all. MFC is still a luck and work. My accent is not something i can blame for that or this, it is just...different, and i heard only three times in one year of MFC "sorry, i didnt understand you, can you type?", but I know when i am dancing and there are some people watching when I say anything it can be pretty shocking like "whoa, wasn't expecting her to talk like this".

Not sure if we can set location barrier here, maybe language, but location I really don't feel it.

 

[mutantdonut]

I am Brazilian (and living in Brazil too) and my accent is a little scary at first, since they usually expect an american/canadian model. I make some grammar mistakes from time to time and I am trying hard to make it better and better but well, i am still non american. Not saying that i feel different about it, i am actually doing pretty good as a non-american/english girl on MFC and i won't stop improving and learning.

Just to add about this, i don't think this can be a BIIIIIG ISSUE for me after all. MFC is still a luck and work. My accent is not something i can blame for that or this, it is just...different, and i heard only three times in one year of MFC "sorry, i didnt understand you, can you type?", but I know when i am dancing and there are some people watching when I say anything it can be pretty shocking like "whoa, wasn't expecting her to talk like this".

Not sure if we can set location barrier here, maybe language, but location I really don't feel it.

I'm glad you're able to find success, as there's always exceptions to every norm of course. Some that come to mind are Ninja_Girl, MissMia, KimTylor, Olivia4naked, who are all outside North America and highly successful.

This is a wild guestimation here but there could be anywhere between 3x to 8x as many more models from Europe alone, as oppose to North American models. Yet we see North American models constantly dominate the top 20. Competitive balance is tilted.

 

[DuoShi]

As far as purely token-based competitions go, I think a monthly Miss MFC is enough. In my opinion, yearly would be too much. I think MFC needs more amusing competitions like....stuff I can't think of off the top of my head, because I lack creativity at this moment in time.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

As far as purely token-based competitions go, I think a monthly Miss MFC is enough. In my opinion, yearly would be too much. I think MFC needs more amusing competitions like....stuff I can't think of off the top of my head, because I lack creativity at this moment in time.

Yup I agree. Kind of like mycamgirl has silly little awards and prizes it would definitely be fun to have some silly competitions that would maybe have token rewards like the Miss MFC but not quite such a big deal. But more "hall of fame" type advertising.

 

[Myriads]

If one wants a 'fair' Ms. MFC Yearly competition then something like this strikes me as the best path.

Each Registered Premium gets to cast one vote for the model that they feel deserves the title. A simple page where the user types in the model (and the site checks against valid names just like the PM function does) he chooses to support, and a 'enter vote' button is all needed.

The individual Premiums vote is weighted based on that Premiums token spending for the year, since Jan 1st. So a user who has tipped thousands of tokens since the last Jan 1st would have a vote that was 'worth more' then a premium that perhaps has tipped little. The weight should be enough to show the value of a high spending user, and make their vote something of real value, but it shouldn't make things so unbalanced that a reasonable number of a few hundred 'base' level low spending Premium votes couldn't balance it. Thus even low end premiums votes would have some value to a model, and Whales wouldn't be the only ones pursued for vote points.

The Premium can change his vote anytime in the one year period right up to 11:59:59 PST December 31st. Note that the value of the Premiums vote can change over the year as they may spend more.

There would be a master list of how many 'vote points' models have accrued that all could see over the year, perhaps it might even break out how many people have voted for them. Premiums could also see what their vote is 'valued' at, and how it compares to others.

This system creates a item of value; "Vote points" that are limited in supply, and cannot be horribly unbalanced by big spenders. Models who wanted to win, would need to find a way to EARN and KEEP votes from their users. And every user would have some value. Introducing a new reason for models (who were interested in the competition) to focus on all users, just not the ones that might be super flush. It would encourage more interaction, members could work together to convince other members to support their favorites and build community spirit. This would act as a reward to models that build active and vibrant room cultures. Rooms that support new faces when they come in, have value, and this is a way that that could be rewarded.

As an added plus, when a member makes their first tip ever. Which in effect is a basic conversion to premium, a few vote points would go to that model who received the first tip, and those would be the models for the whole year. So conversations would have value to models to make. And they would receive a reward for causing them. In some cases this might provide better treatment of basics as those users would now have something of value to offer a model looking to win Miss MFC yearly.

All in all the system becomes much more based on personal connection between the model and the members who vote for her. Yes she can 'buy' votes by offering members things for them, but she has no assurance that the Premium will keep his vote with her. So bribery may not be as effective as honest connectivity. Festus week (Dec 25-Jan 1st) would become interesting, and not just in the end of a Monthly Miss MFC way, as models tried to cement as many voters as they could.

Most importantly, this would all take WORK. Models would earn the title, no question. They would have to go above and beyond what they normally do to just pile up tokens per the monthly contest. And for a title like Miss MFC Yearly that seems to be sorta appropriate. It's a title that SHOULD go to a model that goes way past the normal.

Just my 2¢

Myriads

 

[bsurs]

(Because I am curious about statistics which are useless to me.)
Of the 14 models who've finished in the Top 100 for the last 12 straight months, the models with the lowest average rank are:

GinnyPotter                   :   9.7
LexxiStar                     :  12.8
ChristineAsh                  :  13.6
kickaz                        :  13.7
AspenRae                      :  14.1

(Numbers might be a bit off since there is no official record of #21-100.)

 

[RedHerby]

Hey Amber's hubby! Can you publish below file also with a year of data instead of only 60 days ?

https://www.ambercutie.com/includes/use ... oreData.js

Then I will create a yearly TUAR page !!!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/162 ... total.html