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Lord Mandelson sacked as UK’s US Ambassador over Epstein ties - called him his “best pal” in released docs.

The man was fired twice in previous gov’s for dodgy relationships with rich benefactors. He was known as the ‘Prince of Darkness’ by left-leaning members of his own party.

Trump liked him 👀🤷🏻‍♂️
 
No, false flag refers to real events created or blamed on the wrong culprits to be used to justify something or distract from something.

this would mean it was ordered by someone on the right as either a distraction from stuff like the scrutiny over the Epstein birthday book, the general negative news cycle about the economy etc OR to be used as an excuse for an action (possibly to bolster/excuse troops in cities)

A similar example would be the reichstag fire which was used to spur action against the dissidents or the 1999 apartment bombings Putin used to trigger the Chechen war.

Obviously this could also be an extremist left wing person but to my inexperienced eye this looked like a professional assassination and at the time of my writing this, no shooter has been caught.. which makes me wonder about possible support.

I guess I’m saying the timing oddly feels convenient to benefit Trump and I think it’s right to question why that might be.
Good morning I just realized my mistake and came back to apologize but you already corrected me lol. Ty!
 
Yeah, in my inexperienced eye anyone who can make a one-shot neck shot from a rooftop ~150-yards away must be some sort of professional.

Although I’m not surprised they got away in the confused aftermath… with only campus security and Kirk’s own security who you can bet weren’t ready for that type of assassination attempt…
GENUINELY. This is the most glaring example for them (because they can't bring themselves to care about school gun violence) of why it is important to not allow weapons at large gatherings like this. Maybe there can be an exception for the hired security and all that. But idk how many more deaths it will take before the conservatives are like "hmmm...."
 
Yeah, in my inexperienced eye anyone who can make a one-shot neck shot from a rooftop ~150-yards away must be some sort of professional.
They almost certainly missed what they were aiming for. Every professional or military sniper will aim for center of mass and not easy to miss things like neck or heads. And this is why; you can miss and still hit something vital.

I don’t think Charlie Kirk’s murder is something to celebrate or make jokes about.
I really want to agree with you, but Kirk celebrated and joked about almost every act of violence against the left. The world is a better place without him in it.

I agree with LaceyRoyce and this was a false flag operation by the far right to instigate violence against the left. Listen to the second season of the podcast "White Hot Hate" (both seasons are good, but the second season covers some of this exact same thing). The extreme far right does not care who they kill. They just want to start the Race Wars and the sooner they can start them the better.
 
GENUINELY. This is the most glaring example for them (because they can't bring themselves to care about school gun violence) of why it is important to not allow weapons at large gatherings like this. Maybe there can be an exception for the hired security and all that. But idk how many more deaths it will take before the conservatives are like "hmmm...."
Utah voted to allow conceal carry on campus earlier this year and Charlie Kirk stated that a few school deaths were worth the price of 2nd amendment freedom. The motherfucker Darwined himself.
 
I really want to agree with you, but Kirk celebrated and joked about almost every act of violence against the left. The world is a better place without him in it.

I agree with LaceyRoyce and this was a false flag operation by the far right to instigate violence against the left. Listen to the second season of the podcast "White Hot Hate" (both seasons are good, but the second season covers some of this exact same thing). The extreme far right does not care who they kill. They just want to start the Race Wars and the sooner they can start them the better.

So, be the same as someone you find morally reprehensible? I just don’t think that’s the best way to be or to approach things in life. I’m not saying anyone has to mourn or cry, but the jokes and literal celebrations over his death are icky to me. Especially when people who want stricter gun legislation are happy about a murder where someone was shot to death.

And let’s say this is a false flag, wouldn’t showing compassion actually be beneficial? I mean, truly compassionate people show compassion even to those who don’t “deserve” it, but let’s say this was a call to violence by right wing extremists. Wouldn’t all these jokes and happy posts be stoking the flames even more?
 
And let’s say this is a false flag, wouldn’t showing compassion actually be beneficial? I mean, truly compassionate people show compassion even to those who don’t “deserve” it, but let’s say this was a call to violence by right wing extremists. Wouldn’t all these jokes and happy posts be stoking the flames even more?
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I don't support celebrating his death, but I also understand if people are not sad that he's gone.
 
At this point in the game turning the other cheek and rising above has gotten us nowhere. I'm done with all that.
I won't say further because I don't want to cause trouble here, but I am certainly not upset he is gone.
I am upset for all the people who died yesterday at the hands of DV, at the hands of racism, at the hands of things that a repressive, unfair society brought upon them, because they were not lucky enough to be born into money and privilege. Or born the "right" sex or color. Those are the people (who aren't being mentioned at all, pretty much anywhere) whose loss of lives I mourn yesterday.

ETA; I'm not celebrating. However, the only reason for that is that I believe that when people try to take out prominent political figures with violence, it causes more sympathy to go to the side of the person who violence was directed at. So I believe it's not an intelligent thing to do, to further your cause, but that is purely the only reason I'm not celebrating.
 
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I'm not exactly celebrating... but I did have a little smile across my face when I heard the news. Lets not forget that man doesn't think any of us on this forum are capable of having a love life, a family, or any morals, and he used his platform to say that loud and clear to spread that bs trad fam ideology. We just don't fit into what fascism wants out of its citizens. FUCK THEM

lmfao!!!! the funny part is that a large number of my fans are prolly big supporters of him. Ever visit a fan's x out of curiosity to find a bunch of anti-trans or misogynistic re-tweets ect? He was a big player in the whole make people publicly hate things they secretly love and confuse the fuck out of those ppl bs. As a trans model I fucking can't stand people that chat about confusion in what they are watching.... I've cut a few fans off over it.

lol I thought of it as a possible false flag thing at first too! I've been honestly stressed and scared of this rise of american fascism for a long time now, and this is defiantly something that can be used to further push a police like state agenda. I mean this past few months has been nothing but violent crime getting a bigger spotlight than ever as they look for justification to beef up police and anti-immigration efforts. But even if it was random and not a false flag it can defiantly be used to push this further. Their answer will not be gun legislation but more police presence. As I don't miss the fucker, I am a bit worried of what may come next.
 
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I saw this today. Apologies for the lack of line spacing in the cut and paste.

Charlie Kirk is dead, killed by a bullet fired from 200 yards away as he sat on stage at Utah Valley University, still mid-argument about transgender people and mass shootings.
The shot rang out just after noon, in broad daylight, during one of his “American Comeback Tour” stops, where he thrived on sparring with students under the banner of “Prove Me Wrong.”
The distance, the vantage point from a nearby building, and the precision of the hit all point toward premeditation.
This was not a chaotic eruption but a calculated assassination.
It is impossible to write about Charlie Kirk’s death without also writing about Charlie Kirk’s life.
At thirty-one, he had already built himself into one of the most visible and polarizing figures on the American right.
He founded Turning Point USA at eighteen, and over the next decade transformed it into a campus empire flush with donor cash and a pipeline into conservative media.
By 2019, TPUSA was reporting nearly thirty million dollars in annual revenue, and Kirk himself was drawing a six-figure salary.
Between his podcast, his book deals, his speaking fees, and his Arizona estate, he was a millionaire many times over before he turned thirty.
His fortune was not built on invention, art, or even policy.
It was built on division, on turning marginalized groups into punching bags for applause lines and fundraising drives.
Kirk’s career was a long rehearsal of contempt: immigrants painted as invaders, LGBTQ+ Americans as predators, unhoused people as moral failures.
He honed a style that was not about persuasion but humiliation, delighting in exposing the vulnerability of students who dared challenge him at his campus debates.
His followers saw him as fearless, a truth-teller willing to say what others wouldn’t.
His critics saw a demagogue in a tailored suit, profiting from cruelty and cultivating an audience addicted to outrage.
And now, in a cruel symmetry, the man who trafficked in cultural fear and suspicion has died in an act of political violence.
Whether the shooter was driven by ideology, grievance, or some darker instability, Kirk’s end forces us to confront the reality that America is drowning in guns and grievance.
Nearly 46,700 Americans died from gun-related injuries in 2023. Most were suicides, but over 17,000 were homicides.
Mass shootings have become so routine that one in fifteen Americans has personally witnessed one.
The U.S. Surgeon General last year declared gun violence a public health emergency, a designation usually reserved for pandemics and opioids.
The numbers are staggering, but so too is the atmosphere of anxiety: every public gathering now carries the shadow of what might happen if someone with a rifle, a grudge, and an open line of sight decides to make their mark.
For years, Kirk told audiences that the real threats to American safety came from immigrants crossing the border, from “woke” teachers in classrooms, from transgender people demanding recognition.
He cast suspicion downward, toward the vulnerable.
Yet the violence that killed him came not from the communities he vilified but from the same climate of fear, rage, and easy access to firearms that he helped cultivate.
The irony is bitter. The consequences are not confined to him.
None of this is to suggest that Charlie Kirk deserved to die.
Political murder is abhorrent, no matter the target, and his death is a tragedy for his family, his supporters, and for a nation already staggering under the weight of polarization.
But it would also be dishonest to ignore the legacy he leaves behind.
He normalized contempt as a political strategy.
He made his wealth and his name by teaching others to scorn those who were different, to view the poor, the queer, the immigrant, as objects of ridicule rather than fellow citizens, or hell, fellow human beings.
His killing is already being weaponized: by some as proof that conservatives are under attack, by others as a grim reminder of the violence that unchecked rhetoric and an armed public can unleash.
Both sides will claim him, but what lingers is the deeper question: what kind of politics have we built when hate can be a business model, and when the consequences of that business ricochet back in blood?
Charlie Kirk’s death is not a vindication.
It is a warning.
It is a reminder that words have consequences, that violence begets violence, and that a country which allows hatred and firearms to intermingle unchecked will continue to bury its own.
If we are ever to break free from this cycle, it will not be by lowering flags or holding moments of silence alone.
It will be by choosing, finally, to value human dignity more than the applause lines that come from tearing it apart.

Mary Geddry
 
I find it virtually impossible to have any trust or respect for political figures, especially when you start looking into all the funding sources, nebulous backing and the agendas they're pushing.

What bothers me most about the events of the last few days, is what will the Citrus-In-Chief use this for, to outwardly justify further draconian measures targeting those he's already openly against?
 
I find it virtually impossible to have any trust or respect for political figures, especially when you start looking into all the funding sources, nebulous backing and the agendas they're pushing.

What bothers me most about the events of the last few days, is what will the Citrus-In-Chief use this for, to outwardly justify further draconian measures targeting those he's already openly against?
Kinda sorta looks like he may have kinda sorta had a stroke this morning. Maybe.
 
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hubby said he looks like one of his stroke patients. he also said his face is at half mast in memorium for charlie kirk. :giggle:
I was insanely pissed off to see the flag at half mast today. INSANELY.
 
I was insanely pissed off to see the flag at half mast today. INSANELY.

Today (and the flag at half mast) should have been about all of the lives lost on September 11, 2001. :(
 
Welp I guess I was wrong. Not a false flag just a perfect storm. It’s going to make everything worse. I just watched the (not white!) director of the FBI use a white supremacist dog whistle (why are we talking about Valhalla when Charlie was a Christian)


What we’re seeing is scary but also interesting from a history of social media POV. We’ve seen social media influencers die before, and we’ve seen them be murdered before, but as far as my memory goes, this is the first time a political influencer was killed. This isn’t just a politician with a more normal following and this isn’t just influencer with apolitical passionate fans. This is someone who married the two - politics and passionate fans who might have a parasocial relationship.

Perfect storm.
 
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Lol Trump has already moved on to more important things apparently.

"REPORTER: Mr. President, my condolences to you, Sir. My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. [unintelligible] How are you holding up over the last day and a half, Sir?

TRUMP: I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks? They’ve just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they’ve been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it’s gonna be a beauty. Absolutely magnificent construction. We just started, so it’ll get done very nicely. And it will be one of the best anywhere in the world, actually."
 
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