Pursuing a claim against a former model

[NoelleBright]

We are assuming that he paid this model through a website like mfc or chaturbate with tokens. OP needs to tell us how he paid her. I have looked through his posts numerous times and he doesn't say exactly how he paid her. I have paid many models for content outside of the camsites, via paypal or other options (luckily have not had issues), this could have been how he paid as well, making going to the camsite and asking for a refund not possible. OP clear it up for everyone on how you paid her. That might help a little.

If he paid her via paypal he would have her name (he doesn't). There aren't very many off site options and those that do exist are even easier to get your $ back from than a camsite itself. This is why models harp on not accepting payments off-site, it's not as safe and easier to get scammed as a model.

 

[Jacque_Gusto]

You've paid models with PayPal?
They ban adult content.

Numerous occasions..... unless you are telling them or writing in your note to the person you are sending money to that its for adult content how could they know? Its just another of the thousands of transactions they process daily.

 

[Nordling]

Yes, how he paid and what he paid for. He didn't say it was for "content." $1000 is a lot of money and I'm very curious what sort of goods, services or "good will" would go for that. "send me 26,000 tokens and I'll give you my car." lol With the amount of information given, the whole concept of "going after her" is simply an excuse to stalk someone who doesn't have a chance to give her side.

 

[Guy]

Yes, how he paid and what he paid for. He didn't say it was for "content." $1000 is a lot of money and I'm very curious what sort of goods, services or "good will" would go for that. "send me 26,000 tokens and I'll give you my car."

Maybe he's addicted to porn.

 

[Nordling]

Maybe he's addicted to porn.

At this point, everything is 100% speculation. For all we know, the grand he spent was ALL he spent over the entire time he's known her, and is now bitter that she decided to quit camming. Shoot, I could name half a dozen models I've liked and spent money on who quit or disappeared. It's just how life works.

 

[Johndoe91]

You've paid models with PayPal?
They ban adult content.

That doesn't mean people don't still do it, I used to use PayPal for camgirl stuff a lot before I knew it wasn't the best idea. Hell, a model I've known for 5+ years still does shows for PayPal.

 

[Mila_]

We are assuming that he paid this model through a website like mfc or chaturbate with tokens. OP needs to tell us how he paid her. I have looked through his posts numerous times and he doesn't say exactly how he paid her.

We are assuming many things because he refuses to answer straight questions. In any case, the way he paid her is irrelevant because all payment methods: MFC, CB, SM, Paypal, Squarecash, etc, offer ways to ask for a refund when you get scammed. So the advice we gave him regarding MFC/Tokens applies to all of them. Unless he paid her with cash in her hand. And OP already stated why he doesnt want to go through the service provider:

I am trying to get my money back from the model. It's the model that cheated me, not the camsite or payment processor that we used, and I don't feel that I'd be justified in trying to cheat one of them in turn. Even if I could convince one of them to give me some of their money to make me feel better, she'd still be getting away with cheating me out of my money.

It does sound like it is no longer about "my money". If it was he would use the mechanism already in place to get it back.

 

[Tilly]

That doesn't mean people don't still do it, I used to use PayPal for camgirl stuff a lot before I knew it wasn't the best idea. Hell, a model I've known for 5+ years still does shows for PayPal.

I could be wrong, but I got an email recently saying that if your account had been previously closed for adult industry related activity that your account would be restored and you'd receive some menial sum to make up for the hardship. I guess they realized it was discrimination. But again, I reiterate that I could be wrong. It was nearly a year ago when I got the email about it.

@NoelleBright for me, my paypal shows my "business" name. Took a lot of tinkering years back but I've confirmed interactions with clients who I trust who say it does not show my real name. I still don't use it as a primary payment processor for customs and whatnot. I prefer GiftRocket.

 

[EspiKvlt]

@Tilly I've been seeing stuff about that for a while now, but I'm still very confused about it. I just saw an update very recently and people still said "No, you shouldn't use it for adult services still" so I don't know, it's very vague and weird.

 

[Tilly]

@Tilly I've been seeing stuff about that for a while now, but I'm still very confused about it. I just saw an update very recently and people still said "No, you shouldn't use it for adult services still" so I don't know, it's very vague and weird.

Right... I'm really not sure. Like I said, it's my last resort for a payment processor for customs and whatnot.

 

[FluffyGalore]

And we have no reason to believe that she was being threatened. All we have is his side of the story, like i said, to go off of. I find it completely ridiculous and impractical that everyone is making every single excuse possible as to why she disappeared on him and making him out to be the bad guy. He came looking for an easier way to resolve this and everyone is painting him out to be the bad guy here. His fault seems to be coming here and thinking other models would do anything besides make excuses for the girl that has scammed him..... and someone that has sent you a thousand dollars for pre-paid content, does not qualify as "every little person" that has tipped her

WTF have you read the thread at all. We, both models and members, have told him the best way to get his money back ie to contact the site. It's the fact he is refusing to do this and insists on tracking her down. That's the problem here and why so many models are now assume that he is more interested in vengeance in tracking her down. Plus if you had also read my post earlier on you would see that I was advising him NOT to do this for not just the models safety but hi own. Next time read and understand the thread before posting accusations about the models on here!

 

[SaffronBurke]

And we have no reason to believe that she was being threatened. All we have is his side of the story, like i said, to go off of. I find it completely ridiculous and impractical that everyone is making every single excuse possible as to why she disappeared on him and making him out to be the bad guy. He came looking for an easier way to resolve this and everyone is painting him out to be the bad guy here. His fault seems to be coming here and thinking other models would do anything besides make excuses for the girl that has scammed him..... and someone that has sent you a thousand dollars for pre-paid content, does not qualify as "every little person" that has tipped her

He's been given an easy solution so many times, this feels like beating a dead horse. He's said he doesn't want to get the money back from MFC, which they would do, because he doesn't want to take the money from them - even though most camsites have a chunk of their budgets to allow for charge backs and refunds. That pretty much indicates that he DID send the money on site, because if he'd sent it through another source, he would have replied to that advice with "but I used (payment processor)" instead of "I don't want the money back from MFC, they didn't do anything wrong" (paraphrased). Nope, instead he wants to be a creep and track her down, and spend more in lawyer's fees than he'd get back so he can get the money from her personally. THAT is the issue.

We do tend to take "she scammed me" with a grain of salt, because we have seen people cry scam over forgetfulness and human error, when all they had to do was send a polite reminder and the situation would be resolved.

On the other side of the coin, we see people falling for obvious scams - "We're in love! She wants me to fly across the globe and visit her for a month and pay for her Grandma's chemotherapy!" which we think are obvious scams but the poor dude won't believe us.

I've seen girls accused of scamming on Streamate because a guy bought a video and never got a link to download it - oh, but he ignored the model telling him that he needs to send her a message, because we can't message clients first on Streamate, so we need them to send us a message before we can send them their videos. We all have a spiel about that which we rattle off when someone buys a video. Even if we forget to do that, why wouldn't the guy send a message asking what's up with that video? Easy solution.

 

[Relkinet]

I've largely avoided responding to specific questions because I don't want to take this thread further off topic. I'd only shared part of the story about why I am pursuing a claim against a former model so as to frame the questions I was asking about how to make contact, a necessary part of the legal process, in the least harmful manner. It's understandable that both scamming and stalking are hot button issues for many people on both sides of the fence and that some people would be inclined to fill the gaps I've left in my story based on their own assumptions, but I don't want to get tied up in a debate about those issues and continue bumping the thread.

 

[NoelleBright]

I've largely avoided responding to specific questions because I don't want to take this thread further off topic. I'd only shared part of the story about why I am pursuing a claim against a former model so as to frame the questions I was asking about how to make contact, a necessary part of the legal process, in the least harmful manner. It's understandable that both scamming and stalking are hot button issues for many people on both sides of the fence and that some people would be inclined to fill the gaps I've left in my story based on their own assumptions, but I don't want to get tied up in a debate about those issues and continue bumping the thread.

Just get your lawyer to contact her. That's really the least harmful way possible.

 

[FluffyGalore]

I've largely avoided responding to specific questions because I don't want to take this thread further off topic. I'd only shared part of the story about why I am pursuing a claim against a former model so as to frame the questions I was asking about how to make contact, a necessary part of the legal process, in the least harmful manner. It's understandable that both scamming and stalking are hot button issues for many people on both sides of the fence and that some people would be inclined to fill the gaps I've left in my story based on their own assumptions, but I don't want to get tied up in a debate about those issues and continue bumping the thread.

Like it's been said the only way for you now to deal with it is by contacting your lawyer to see wether they will take it on and let them find her. Doing it yourself is not the way to go.

 

[yummybrownfox]

You've paid models with PayPal?
They ban adult content.

He probably doesn't give a shit about potential consequences for the model. Because, ya know, if the model gets banned, he could just move on to the next model who doesn't know any better...

 

[yummybrownfox]

I find it completely ridiculous and impractical that everyone is making every single excuse possible as to why she disappeared on him and making him out to be the bad guy. He came looking for an easier way to resolve this and everyone is painting him out to be the bad guy here. His fault seems to be coming here and thinking other models would do anything besides make excuses for the girl that has scammed him.....

Everyone? Nope. My one post in this thread was intended to be helpful, but since the OP didn't bother acknowledging it, I guess I just wasted my time. Haha.

 

[jujoji]

I've largely avoided responding to specific questions because I don't want to take this thread further off topic. I'd only shared part of the story about why I am pursuing a claim against a former model so as to frame the questions I was asking about how to make contact, a necessary part of the legal process, in the least harmful manner. It's understandable that both scamming and stalking are hot button issues for many people on both sides of the fence and that some people would be inclined to fill the gaps I've left in my story based on their own assumptions, but I don't want to get tied up in a debate about those issues and continue bumping the thread.

There is no good way for you specifically and personally to contact her. Any direct contact between you and her is hella creepy if she hasn't given you both that information and permission to directly contact her.

What you need to do is hire an investigator and eventually a lawyer. The investigator to find her; and the lawyer to be your middle-man for all communications. You are never going to talk to her directly; your lawyer will be your soul eyes, ears, and mouth. You get the lawyer to write a letter laying out your claim, what you want or need, and how she can remedy the situation. And a month or two later when she most likely hasn't responded, you send a lawsuit thru a second lawyer (found by your first lawyer in whatever jurisdiction she's really in) who then serves notice in her local court system that she's being sued for $1000 dollars. You and/or your lawyers are going to have to show up in her local court and run the case for a day, a couple of days. If you're really lucky you'll get your $1k back and then your lawyers are going to take it and about $20k more for their time and services.

If you want to burn your chances of getting any service on any cam site, you can petition the cam site for restitution of your lost funds; however you've been a fucking dumbass and waited until they paid her. You're shit out of luck; you don't pass go, you don't collect $1k. What you do get is banned, your cc banned, your email banned. She didn't scam you, you gave her a gift.

Or what you really should do is suck it the fuck up. Accept that you got taken and are probably never going to get your money back. You took a risk, you sent an anonymous individual, whom you erroneously trusted, a large sum of money and expected to get something without any degree of security or reassurances. You fucking idiot. You should have required assurances, insurance, or proof of faith: like a verified phone number, or email. Don't send anybody any large sums of money without some degree of protection, or a means of pre-approved contact to resolve conflicts that both parties agreed to: if you had an email or number she gave you, then you might call her up and ask what's going on. Barring that, it would be a place for a lawyer or police to start looking into things.

Take precautions and don't let your dick do all the thinking

 

[DrWangFei]

I've largely avoided responding to specific questions because I don't want to take this thread further off topic. I'd only shared part of the story about why I am pursuing a claim against a former model so as to frame the questions I was asking about how to make contact, a necessary part of the legal process, in the least harmful manner. It's understandable that both scamming and stalking are hot button issues for many people on both sides of the fence and that some people would be inclined to fill the gaps I've left in my story based on their own assumptions, but I don't want to get tied up in a debate about those issues and continue bumping the thread.

I think if you absolutely HAVE to deal with it with her... you should try not suing her first, but mail her a certified letter demanding payment. If you go to court right away with this without trying to work it out with the defendant, the judge most likely won't rule in your favor. If you send a certified letter, it shows that you tried to make contact, it shows that you tried to get your money back... it goes a long way.

But seriously, you really really really should contact the site that it happened on first and try to get your money back that way. I know that you're not telling us "everything", but what you are giving us seems like this is more than that $1000'ish (which she didn't receive 100% of anyway). Take the issue up with the site, and if you get your money back that way... they'll take it up with her. It really is the best way to handle this. I think that if you go the route of the lawsuit, after all is said and done, you will spend $1000+... making the whole issue pointless.

 

[SNATCH]

I could be wrong, but I got an email recently saying that if your account had been previously closed for adult industry related activity that your account would be restored and you'd receive some menial sum to make up for the hardship. I guess they realized it was discrimination. But again, I reiterate that I could be wrong. It was nearly a year ago when I got the email about it.

@NoelleBright for me, my paypal shows my "business" name. Took a lot of tinkering years back but I've confirmed interactions with clients who I trust who say it does not show my real name. I still don't use it as a primary payment processor for customs and whatnot. I prefer GiftRocket.

Yes, Paypal had a class action lawsuit against them I believe for this.