No Forceten it's not okay. People should be smart enough to know human beings are multifaceted. It should be common sense, but sadly some people lack that. It's not about being the thought police, it's about changing the disgusting, and often sexist, mindset of women who are comfortable sexually are only good for that.
We're more or less arguing about the same thing. I don't agree with objectification, as I know people are multifaceted. My statement is about the contradiction of people willingly degrading themselves for something, then complaining about others whom refer to them as such when that is all they know them as.
I did not not take your Trump question out of context. You asked " What's your thoughts on Trump? Do you respect him for what he's doing? Or, does this only apply to women?" and I answered.
In a sense, you did. But, my question was directed at Luna for her statement of "You can do whatever you want, and still deserve respect." This is a point of contention here, with many. Some even questioned her statement, as did I. I used the Trump question specifically because many people disrespect him. For the record, this was a topic of debate in another thread.
Personally I think steps should be taken to change that environment and thus the way these kids grow up to begin with. That takes time and actual effort of the people in charge so of course it hasn't happened sadly.
I agree that things need to change, and that people need to step up. However, it isn't solely the responsibility of the people in charge. It also has to be a purposeful, willing and legitimate desire to change from within for those whom are living in the situation. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, did I say they were lazy. I was implying that people are creatures of habit, and many of the problems are seen generation after generation with little or no improvement. Have you seen when cities will spend millions of dollars to "revitalize" sections of their city to try and improve lives of those less fortunate? Have you gone back a few years after it was done? What was the conditions? Typically a little nicer home but people still doing the same thing, and the condition of the property was not as nice as newer buildings the same age elsewhere. If people don't change their habits, it's an endless cycle.
As to racist, bigotted, etc which it seems you and others may want to label me as. Let me just stop you there before you might make a fool of yourself further. I work day in and day out with people from all walks of life. I spend my daytime hours in a corporate office at a desk job working for very rich executives whom keep piling the work on without hiring additional staff. Then, I turn around and give up much of my free time to help those in need. I don't care about the colour of a person's skin, their religion, their sexual preferences, or other demographics such as being very low income people. They are all human beings.
When they need help, I do my best to give it. I've gone days on end with little or no sleep because I get a call of someone overdosing, being stabbed, domestic abuse or a multitude of other things. Many times over, repeated calls to the same residence or low income complex for much of the same thing.
Regardless of what impression you have of me, I really do care about these people. But, it is also very difficult to see them time and time again with little or no improvement to get out of their situation. Is it as simple as going to school? No, fuck no. But, they are a repeated product of their environment. There are some whom struggle to get out, and I have respect for those whom do it without the hypocracy which I've identified in my previous posts. I speak from hands on experience, of seeing and working first hand with many people day in and day out from those less fortunate than I. I generally don't like talking about this, because I don't do it for recognition nor do I think I'm some kind of hero. But, when someone says, or eludes to, shit like you are I'm going to bring it out.
Fuck that and fuck people who honestly think women need to get back in the kitchen with their skirts only below the knee. I'm not sure what the men here can not grasp about the mindset being pretty fucked up but fuck it. It's sexist and it's degrading but keep arguing with women about why it's cool to do. Whatever. What could women possibly know about this shit right?
Whom here on ACF is arguing about women staying barefoot, pregnant and covered up like a Puritan? I haven't seen a post about that. I think everyone here is in support of women openly expressing themselves.
Alright, I'm going to start here. I don't think you can do whatever you want and still deserve respect. If you steal from me, hurt someone, etc I'm not going to respect you. But as long as what you're doing does not hurt others, you got my respect. I think that was poorly worded, to begin with, but I think figuring out what she meant was pretty common sense.
You misquoted me. The line you quoted me as saying was originally stated by LunaHelsing. I was using the Trump question as a counterpoint to her to show that people will not always give you respect
What do you mean cries objectification? I like to look good. You could say that I partially use my looks to make money. But, I'm still going to be pretty pissed the fuck off if someone thinks it's ok to say "oh ignore her, she's just a cam girl" when I try to speak or anything along those lines.
Who's saying you're "just a camgirl" here?
I'm starting to think you have some underlying notions about certain people.
Not even going to address beyond saying see my response above to Teegan.
If you called yourself an idiot one day with some self deprecating humor would you be ok with me calling you an idiot as well? I mean, you called yourself one, so why can't I call you that too? Your logic isn't adding up here.
Sure, I do self-depricating humour quite frequently. But, I don't resort to calling myself a derogatory name. Nor do I want to call someone a derogatory name. Here's a quote of something I said in a different thread along these lines:
People need to understand that if you want equality, and I mean true equality, it's not okay to give a free pass to some while demonizing others. Hold everyone accountable for the shit they say and do, regardless of affiliations.
Does that help clarify things?
Also, let me point out that this is the VERY FIRST sentence of my initial post in this thread, which some people obviously overlooked...
I respect women, heck people, even when they really don't deserve it. So, the point is moot to me.
To clarify this statement, I'm courteous to people and respect their individuality and as a human being. This may help to explain how I view respect:
http://talkingtreebooks.com/definition/what-is-respect.html
