Stolen Videos

[Rose]

It actually is only illegal depending on where they host the content from
http://torrentfreak.com/antiguas-legal- ... on-130128/

It is illegal for people residing in the US to bypass copyright laws, regardless of where the content is hosted.

But someone could easily move their and give up their u.s. citizenship,if they are running a large data center that gives out movies,music,video games,porn,webcam videos etc.

^^DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. It's still theft and it's still wrong regardless of where said person does it from.

 

[vlad.mazare]

If you dont like it then maybe there should be a model petition to leo to make myfreecams a non u.s. company so that it would still be considered copyright infringement.

 

[AmberCutie]

This thread started going in a really interesting direction for a while, but this random argument from vlad.whomever has brought us way out of that.

Enough of that crapola, please.

 

[vlad.mazare]

I was just trying to point out a technicality on the legality of recording videos from a U.S. based site like myfreecams.

 

[The Insider]

some people love the sound of their own voice

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I was just trying to point out a technicality on the legality of recording videos from a U.S. based site like myfreecams.

Seriously dude, when you are quoting a pro pirating website as your source of information on US copyright laws, it hardly merits a response. The whole idea of somebody renouncing their US citizenship to move to Antigua, to host a pirate website is absurd. :roll: . Have you ever been to the place? Do you even know anybody who has?

Antigua and the US have been fighting a trade war for a decade ever since the World Trade Organization ruled in favor of the Antigua due to internet gambling. I have actually being following the case since the beginning. Now I am sympathetic to Antigua who has been bullied by it is big neighbor to the north. But the US has tons of tools at is disposal to prevent any pirate website in Antigua being anything other than one more Piratebay. Nor does it alter a fundamental fact, possession and distribution of copyrighted material is a crime in ~99% of the countries on the planet.

 

[AmberCutie]

I was just trying to point out a technicality on the legality of recording videos from a U.S. based site like myfreecams.

Seriously dude, when you are quoting a pro pirating website as your source of information on US copyright laws, it hardly merits a response. The whole idea of somebody renouncing their US citizenship to move to Antigua, to host a pirate website is absurd. :roll: . Have you ever been to the place? Do you even know anybody who has?

Antigua and the US have been fighting a trade war for a decade ever since the World Trade Organization ruled in favor of the Antigua due to internet gambling. I have actually being following the case since the beginning. Now I am sympathetic to Antigua who has been bullied by it is big neighbor to the north. But the US has tons of tools at is disposal to prevent any pirate website in Antigua being anything other than one more Piratebay. Nor does it alter a fundamental fact, possession and distribution of copyrighted material is a crime in ~99% of the countries on the planet.

Oy, don't encourage him. I am hoping he'll pipe down for a bit.

 

[BeetFarmer]

I also think some good could come of cappers and models co-existing. On an ethical level, there's no way to justify what cappers do, but as has been pointed out; they're here, they're not going anywhere, and when a model signs up to a camsite, they kinda have to accept that the more money they make from their camming career and the more popular they become, the more likely it is that their videos are gonna be distributed for free by cappers. They don't have to like it and they have every right to react angrily when it happens, but there's no getting around the fact that it probably will happen.

And I agree with Evvie that there's a hypocrisy surrounding some models who illegally download music and films and games for free and then stand and point at the (supposed) illegality of cappers sharing their videos in the same way. That said - and regardless of laws pertaining to piracy - cappers sharing a model's videos without their consent has the potential to destroy their lives/put them in danger, whereas a model downloading the latest Kanye West album isn't going to effect Kanye West one way or another.

The problem is models, at least on MFC, can't give permission, for cappers to do anything. The videos are the property of MFC and not the models. Mila Kunis maybe on great terms with the president of her fan club, but if he wants to post her clips from the movie Oz on mila-kunis.net, he needs to get Disney's permission not hers. The same thing is true for capped videos, all the models can legally do is go through MFC. Or appeal directly to cappers good nature. I question the wisdom of the latter approach because now you are giving power to the cappers, "sure dear I'll remove the videos if you give me a free skype show,or other video." I think this sort of like Koolray if you give the cappers attention it just encourages them, but IDK.

I am sure my opinion is a minority but I find a bit of karmic justice, in the cappers ripping off MFC. MFC seemingly could give a shit about any laws, and a particularly callous attitude about intellectual property laws. The make models sign ridiculous agreement giving up all of their rights. Do absolutely nothing to protect musicians right etc. So when the cappers rip off MFC's intellectual property, it is hard for me to get too riled up.

Now don't get me wrong I have a lot sympathy for the models. I think they are getting double penetrated by both the cappers, and MFC, and I picture both guys being fat, smelling, with bad breath and worse manners. It is hard to imagine this is an enjoyable experience.

I think watermarking your broadcast stream so that at least people watching can find you later makes sense for models who adopt Amber's view, any publicity is good as long as they spell your name right. I also don't blame any web model who would like to castrate the cappers..

Problem with watermarking is that many models don't consider a lot of things. I have made note of several examples of models who took it to such an extreme that they will find it is only going to hurt them. When 50% of your screen is covered in moving, scrolling or stationary text then you have gone too far. And remember, some cappers will simply blur it out, which then defeats the purpose.

[site name banned*7] did have a space to insert a link to a model's MFC profile, but it was removed for various reasons.

And regarding the copyright issue and MFC it is not a secret that MFC doesn't exactly care about the videos as I am sure they gave an HONEST response they would see it as free publicity. Even if half the people that ended up going on MFC didn't buy tokens it is still drawing in traffic, which is what they want. Why do they have to pretend (as far as I see it) to care about the videos? To appease the models. If they didn't agree with the models then they risk models quitting and going to another site.

I felt the inclusion of model names in the body of the posts would help with search functions and so that people would know who they were seeing.

 

[BeetFarmer]

I can understand if it's done for a profit motive. The world is full of bottom feeders who profit off the work of others. Your spank bank grew into an opportunity to set up web forums for cappers/uploaders and you run them as a link farm to make money.

Correct?

I am not sitting on a mountain of money from this. My operating costs actually eat up twice as much as I could bring in. And then whatever I potentially get from a sale here or there is turned into tokens and thus deposited back into MFC and various models. There are people who post files (not in the camgirl niche) who can make $10k a month, but usually those are the people with highly wanted material. Seems Asian porn is a huge seller and those posters seem to be the ones rolling in the dough, certainly not me.

So I can't help but to wonder why the collector not motivated by profit does it. It is some sort of condition like a hoarder, who just fills their house to the roof with stuff they will never see again but can't help but add to the pile?

I suppose I have "hoarding" tendencies. I hate to delete files if I need to make space for something else. I suppose at least with me you hit the nail on the head so nothing more I can say on this topic.

I don't understand where you get the time (a 99%'er). Who feeds you? Where do you make your living? I'm semi retired and I dont have enough time in the day to do 10% of the shit I'd like to do.

Well I feed myself, lol. I am also younger so lack of sleep doesn't quite affect me as much I suppose? I am also proficient at multitasking. And my work revolves around the computer and the ability to work from home, so that certainly helps as I don't have to commute. I still go out and do recreational things, grocery shop, be social, etc. I find time to fit everything in. Although I suppose cutting out video game playing has certainly helped.

If I sat for the time needed to hunt down, download, upload, organize, edit, and network with others doing the same thing, not to mention some time to actually enjoy my collection....

I don't get it and I'll refrain from being abusive because I too actually and pretty interested in WHY people do what they do. I do want to understand this.

See I don't really have to hunt. I have a pretty good idea now of which models will do something worthwhile. And now that I have cut out adding textual descriptions of what is in the video and have opted to doing "completionist caps" rather than editing out some of the fluff that has shaved off a couple more hours of time. And changing some of my encoding options and getting a new computer built for editing purposes has helped cut the time it used to take in half. So what may have been an 8-12 hour process is now more like 3-6 (that includes uploading time, which is the longest aspect and thus the 6 hour end of the scale).

I get enjoy out of my collection I guess, but I am not some deranged "Norman Bates" type of person, but that is how I am perceived.

Is it an obsession? Is it a lack of human/opposite sex contact? Is it a compulsion? What?
What do you personally get out of this activity?

Not sure if I could call it an obsession or a compulsion really. It might be on the verge of that line, but if I chose to officially stop I certainly could. I don't need "e-penis" or whatever terms you want to throw out. If you take the ethics that are always brought up out of someone who records shows and the members who are on MFC as if it were a full-time job is that really any different? Hopefully that makes some sort of coherent sense.

I could understand if it's a sexual charge, who doesn't get a good rush over a little T&A? However, the mind numbing quantity of it makes me think otherwise. How many times can you watch a woman do the same thing, or 1001 different women do the same thing before it loses it's flavor?

I won't deny there are models that turn my on (I am a heterosexual male after all), but I have said that I am surprised I am not desensitized to sex now. Perhaps my libido is just so high it doesn't really matter? However I personally don't stick with one model or pornstar on a daily basis. I change as the mood strikes me.

What do you get out of this activity if it isnt money?

I guess the simple answer or the only one I can come up with is some sort of social response. I mean is that not one reason a lot of models enjoy camming (besides the financial aspect) is the social aspect? Many models claim to have made some good friends, so can a capper not say the same thing? I truly have made some good friends and those friendships extend past the "Dwight" persona. One day "Dwight" will retire, but I feel that I at least try and be respectful of models by not directly calling them derogatory names. Stating an opinion on a particular subject is different (in the case of the Nicole issue in a thread that discussed her time at the AEE/AVN).

I have helped out some models, which I cannot speak for all other cappers and never would, but I know some that would never do any of that helpful stuff I did. I've seen it said straight from the horse's mouth that they simply do not care about the feelings of the model.

At the end of the day you'll either love me, hate me or tolerate me (begrudgingly).

 

[BeetFarmer]

Dwight, as much as you seem to be perfectly polite, and hardly the epitome of evil, you still have this as a hobby. However much you try and justify it, or say how nice you've been to some models, and how you transfer all money made back into models and mfc, it still doesn't even come close to balancing the scales of right and wrong. It barely even tilts it.
As far as I can see from your posts is you have avoided answering any questions which could paint you in a negative light. Everything you've said is skirting round the edges, focusing on the few good things that come from capping, and blaming the other things on your fellow cappers. Now I get that no one wants to make themselves look like a bastard, but you are not being wholly honest with your answers, in fact you're being very vague and avoiding the real point. So far as much as it's an interesting subject your responses have not really given me any information. It's kind of like when they advertise new fad diet pills everywhere saying how amazing they have been for like 2 people, completely ignoring the remaining thousands that they have caused bad side effects for and then skirting round giving people the information of what is actually in the pills by saying a few of the ingredients, leaving out all the others.

How have I not shone a negative light on me? I have not denied the ethics or lack thereof from capping. How is that not a negative statement? I've said other things that follow that suit, but I'm not going to spend the time to go look so I can quote anything.

Anything I have answered has been done honestly. That is what I said I would do. I have only mentioned the "positive" things to show that I have taken the time to help various models who took the time to seek me out and were civil. Can you say you have contacted any cappers and had a similar encounter? Not saying it is not possible, but again it is not something you hear about.

And I am not painting any other cappers in a bad light or making them look like the bad guys. I have said numerous times I cannot and will not speak for the actions of others. I can only give assumptions of opinions (which is what I have done) on matters where it is warranted.

Sorry, but I know the moment I came in here you were one of the people who chose to basically slap me in the face figuratively speaking and thus will not be satisfied with anything I say unless perhaps I say something like, "I make thousands of dollars a week and live in some ritzy home and drive a <insert expensive sports car here>, and I willingly and knowingly go out of my way and do this to make the lives of camgirls a living fucking hell! My name is Dwight, and I could give a fuck about any of you!", but that is not something that would be at all accurate or honest to how it really is. Sorry, but I hate to burst your bubble.

So you will never find satisfaction in my responses and I accept that.

One thing I will also say is I HATE it when people use the excuse of "well if I stop then someone else will take my place." NO. If you carry on capping another load of cappers will still start capping. If you stop capping then another load of cappers will still start capping. But YOU won't be. So that'd mean one less serial capper.

You do what you do because it gives you some kind of thrill that is beyond me. You do what you do even though you know for a fact that it hurts/upsets models for your own personal gain. You do not care or you wouldn't do it. Whether or not occasionally you feel like comforting your conscience by doing a few small good deeds doesn't make any difference in what you do or the reasons you do it, it just makes you feel a better about it.

I am not using that as an excuse. The intended purpose of the comment was rather to say that my stepping away would change the shift of balance I tried to restore at least on one site. However this is not what you want to hear so I will leave it at this.

Not that it'll stop, but if cappers didn't exist camgirls would make a fuck load more money. Imagine if free porn didn't exist? People would pay for it. Same with online movies/music. If it weren't so easily available for free online, people would buy it. This actually may truly become serious at some point and perhaps the porn and movie industry will start going under. Maybe. For now there are enough people will basic morals around to pay for things. But not enough. Out of my room count probably only 2-5% ever tip anything and that's generally because they want a different experience or they want videos. For general porn/sexy stuff? Most guys who want that experience can just get it for free.

Isabella that is an assumption. If the internet was so policed as to not have "pirating" you actually think government would allow online camsites to continue? Many politicians consider them to be online prostitution rings no different really then going to a rub & tug[/b] or a brothel. You are doing what you accuse me of, but in your case it is assumptions to counter my unethical hobby. Same difference with the same result.

If it will make you feel better, I am a bad person and should spend eternity rotting in the fires of Hell. So if you are a religious person please believe that I will do just that. Unfortunately I am not religious, and the side that I do relate with more from my parents doesn't believe in Hell...so I'm not quite so worried.

If you want clarification on something I have said or "skirted" then by all means please ask me. I'd prefer that then having false assumptions directed at me.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Good post Paulie. I'm in the same boat, my curiosity is officially peeked!

I was listening to a radio program today discussing psychopaths, and how they tried treating them with LSD. Part of the program was describing the key element that makes a psychopath, the lack for empathy.
Now I'm not saying cappers are (or aren't) psychopaths but the subject got me thinking about empathy. About that pit in my stomach when I know I've hurt someone, or even POSSIBLY hurt someone who really didn't deserve it. I can't help but consider the way another person may actually feel as a result of my actions, even if those actions are intended to bruise for a greater good (examples banning someone from my room for lacking manners, maybe he'll be better next time even though it stings now).
It's just beyond me how anyone could make a hobby out of something they KNOW is hurtful and seem to actually take pleasure in the persons suffering. I've spend many bored hours while sick reading forums like KK, and I'm never surprised to find a lot of negativity directed towards the women.

I would love to understand more of the why. So far, insecurity and control are the only things that REALLY make sense to me, not saying that's accurate, just what seems logical.

I do want to say that my comment about cappers taking pleasure in models "suffering" was not directed towards you Dwight, but more a general vibe I get from the capping masses. I don't recall getting this hateful vibe from any of your posts I've seen. While I don't necessarily care for what you do I'll give you credit for doing it with some dignity.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

If it will make you feel better, I am a bad person and should spend eternity rotting in the fires of Hell. So if you are a religious person please believe that I will do just that. Unfortunately I am not religious, and the side that I do relate with more from my parents doesn't believe in Hell...so I'm not quite so worried.

If you want clarification on something I have said or "skirted" then by all means please ask me. I'd prefer that then having false assumptions directed at me.

For starts I never said in any part of my post that you were evil or you should rot in hell. In fact I said you weren't evil, so please don't twist my words around. Fact is however nice you are about it, you do have a hobby that could potentially ruin lives, taking things against someones will and sharing it around to all. That's hardly an "oh my god! burn in hell!" comment. It's not even my opinion, it's a fact. You are skirting around it focusing on the good sides. My post was not to get at you, it was just pointing out that however much you justify and focus on the few girls you've helped, what you're doing is still a bad thing. I was kind of hoping that you'd admit to it, but instead you just decided to twist my words and blow them off with a "burn in hell" statement. I am funnily enough not at your door with torches and pitchforks, no I am not religious not that I think religion remotely comes into it.
You're kind of like a thief who goes in, steals the tv and computer, but makes sure everything else stays in order and leaves a box of cookies. Nice thought, makes you better than most thieves, but you're still a thief. I am sorry that I'm not sugarcoating this and making you feel good about your hobby because you do a few nice things and unlike most cappers I've talked to seem to actually be able to string a sentence together.
This is just my opinion but personally I almost forgive the cappers who seem so bloody stupid that the cleverest thing they've ever done is learn how to record camgirls. You seem like an intelligent enough guy, and you're clearly aware of everything you do and the consequences. I don't think that makes you better than them though. It just means you could probably be worth more than them.
You've said it's partly for the social side, I said this before but why do you want to socialise with a bunch of cappers over making friends with and getting close to some of the amazing girls on mfc? You have shed a relatively bad light on your fellow cappers and several of the things you've said have been along the lines of you being so much better than all the others. If you feel this way about them, then why on earth do you care so much about feeding them with free porn?!

Sorry, but I know the moment I came in here you were one of the people who chose to basically slap me in the face figuratively speaking and thus will not be satisfied with anything I say

So you made a fast judgement about me assuming that I'll make a fast judgement about you? And therefore anything I say you'll throw off imagining that I'm always going to hate you? Unless of course I start praising your work.

I don't speak for the other girls here, but I'm pretty sure a fair few are just humouring you because they would like to know your reasons behind this. I would also like to know your reasons behind it, I'd just rather have all the details. Whatever you say you are sugarcoating your responses and making capping seem a bit rainbows and lollypops. What I'm saying is it may not be the fiery pits in hell, but it's not what you're painting it to be. I don't believe you're being dishonest either, I just think you are only saying certain parts of it and relatively vague responses on your reasons for it. I understand why you wouldn't want to explain the full details of what goes on, maybe you don't even think about it, but if you're going to be here and your information is actually going to be useful to us, then we need to know from your side the negative parts of capping. Otherwise we can only fill in the dots and make up assumptions. I don't want to hear some crap about you deserving to burn in hell. I want to hear the truth of the negatives, what makes you feel guilt in capping, how often you feel guilty, whether you ever want to stop because of guilt feelings. Whether you ever feel shame for it.

One thing I would also like to know, and don't take this the wrong way, it's not because of anything you've told me, or the way you've spoken, but more because of the hobby itself. Do you have any form of autism? Maybe aspergers or something similar. I have a few friends who have it and I could see them maybe doing something similar to this. I can understand if you wouldn't want to say. But well, it'd explain a fair amount on the compulsion/slightly obsessive side of the hoarding. One of my best friends is aspergers and although he's a lovely person and I think he's great, I also don't think he feels guilt and remorse in the same ways as most people do, it's less of an automatic thing. Whether or not it's something Dwight personally has, I wouldn't be surprised if other cappers have it. Or maybe I just cannot come to terms with why a seemingly bright guy not only has possibly the saddest hobby I have ever heard of (except maybe train spotting...), but a hobby that also upsets and endangers women without him either simply being a bit of an arse or having a condition.

I thought I'd also let you know my government is not your government as in England prostitution is legal. So yes the government would continue letting camgirls work. I also really don't think the government would see camming as close to prostitution. Porn would be down first if that were the case. The assumption I made about how people would pay for porn if you couldn't get it for free may be an assumption, but I have asked many people the same question. Guys I know scoff at the idea of paying for porn, yet admit if they couldn't get it for free they would pay to watch it. I also know many people who used to buy dvds all the time, but now don't because they can download/stream much faster without even paying. It will never stop, but currently it does seem to be happening a bit too much.

 

[vlad.mazare]

Beet is such a liar, he makes good money from it or he wouldn't be doing it. Many of the guys use multiple file hosts,multiple image hosts that pay them on sites that allow it. And post on several websites. There's even file hosts that do hybrid 25% of sales and 50% of download plans,so a person can easily make good money if they are getting several sales a day. An experienced capper like him and with the content he has is pulling in close to $100/day.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Beet is such a liar, he makes good money from it or he wouldn't be doing it. Many of the guys use multiple file hosts,multiple image hosts that pay them on sites that allow it. And post on several websites. There's even file hosts that do hybrid 25% of sales and 50% of download plans,so a person can easily make good money if they are getting several sales a day. An experienced capper like him and with the content he has is pulling in close to $100/day.

What would be the point of him coming here and actually answering our questions with lies? Don't you think it would have just been easier for him to say that he makes a load of money off of this rather than coming up with intricate and detailed lies? It just seems far-fetched.

I've started doing things (like writing reviews for EF) for the monetary aspect and then realized I actually really enjoyed spending my time this way and thus any money I did make is now just put back into EF for more things to review. I also just really enjoy the social aspect of it all. So I actually believe what he has said because for some people a hobby with a bit of social interaction is worth more than just the money.

I don't necessarily condone capping, in general, but this guy has taken some time to come here and has shed some light on things that we otherwise wouldn't have been able to learn about and has done it in a respectful manner and I, for one, appreciate that.

 

[AmberCutie]

Fact is however nice you are about it, you do have a hobby that could potentially ruin lives,

I had to stop reading right there because I knew this entire post would be way over-dramatized.

If a girl thinks that one of her videos being posted outside of the site she works on could "ruin her life" then capping isn't the worst of her problems. If I thought this job could "ruin my life" I most definitely would not be doing it, and I would hope any other girl would be reasonable enough to do the same.

Keep in mind that MFC gets a ton more traffic than majority of these capping forums and sites, so if you're going to be stumbled upon by someone that you don't want to, it'll likely happen ON MFC, regardless of geo-blocks.

 

[zachminor79]

One thing I would also like to know, and don't take this the wrong way, it's not because of anything you've told me, or the way you've spoken, but more because of the hobby itself. Do you have any form of autism? Maybe aspergers or something similar. I have a few friends who have it and I could see them maybe doing something similar to this. I can understand if you wouldn't want to say. But well, it'd explain a fair amount on the compulsion/slightly obsessive side of the hoarding. One of my best friends is aspergers and although he's a lovely person and I think he's great, I also don't think he feels guilt and remorse in the same ways as most people do, it's less of an automatic thing. Whether or not it's something Dwight personally has, I wouldn't be surprised if other cappers have it. Or maybe I just cannot come to terms with why a seemingly bright guy not only has possibly the saddest hobby I have ever heard of (except maybe train spotting...), but a hobby that also upsets and endangers women without him either simply being a bit of an arse or having a condition.

Wow. You really went there? Very uncalled for and rude. Would you like it if people made predetermined judgments about your mental status since you like to strip on the Internet for money?

 

[Trav]

One thing I would also like to know, and don't take this the wrong way, it's not because of anything you've told me, or the way you've spoken, but more because of the hobby itself. Do you have any form of autism? Maybe aspergers or something similar. I have a few friends who have it and I could see them maybe doing something similar to this. I can understand if you wouldn't want to say. But well, it'd explain a fair amount on the compulsion/slightly obsessive side of the hoarding. One of my best friends is aspergers and although he's a lovely person and I think he's great, I also don't think he feels guilt and remorse in the same ways as most people do, it's less of an automatic thing. Whether or not it's something Dwight personally has, I wouldn't be surprised if other cappers have it. Or maybe I just cannot come to terms with why a seemingly bright guy not only has possibly the saddest hobby I have ever heard of (except maybe train spotting...), but a hobby that also upsets and endangers women without him either simply being a bit of an arse or having a condition.

Wow. You really went there? Very uncalled for and rude. Would you like it if people made predetermined judgments about your mental status since you like to strip on the Internet for money?

Ehhh, not really that uncalled for if he's trying to say he's not making money and is still doing what he's doing for many hours a day.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

This is a seriously great thread.

It's easy to have a very monolithic view of piracy, and this thread's helped me understand some of the nuances.

A capped video triggers such a visceral response in me, and part of that is not knowing who did it. I don't know who they are or what they're like or why they did it - I just know that it happened. And even though I know, rationally, that what I do is public, it will always feel intimate and personal to me. It's the nature of the content. I can't separate myself from the sex. And that's a very strange feeling, having something that feels so intimate taken by someone I don't know and can't see.

My opinions on piracy are what they are, and they are strong, but I feel like this thread is more about understanding another perspective. And that makes a difference to me, being able to understand at least one person who does it.

It's staggering how honest Beet has been. I appreciate that, and I respect it.

 

[Trav]

I'd just like to point something out.

Does anyone really realize how much Dwight caps and posts? A quick and dirty googling reveals profiles on at least 7 different forums with a combined post count over 12,500. And he posts multiple caps per post.

I'm sorry, but the idea that there's some social aspect to this hobby seems ridiculous as well. I encourage you to find one of these webcam girls megathreads on one of these forums and tell me how much socializing you see. Aside from the very infrequent "can you post X girl" it's literally just like a directory of screenshots and download links.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

I'd just like to point something out.

Does anyone really realize how much Dwight caps and posts? A quick and dirty googling reveals profiles on at least 7 different forums with a combined post count over 12,500. And he posts multiple caps per post.

I'm sorry, but the idea that there's some social aspect to this hobby seems ridiculous as well.

Not to fuck shit up with academic rhetoric or anything, but there's a pretty significant body of literature on theories of collecting that support this.

I get that he bothers you. Piracy bothers me, and it kills me whenever I hear that someone's been hurt by it. But I don't think those angles undermine what he's saying.

 

[Trav]

I'd just like to point something out.

Does anyone really realize how much Dwight caps and posts? A quick and dirty googling reveals profiles on at least 7 different forums with a combined post count over 12,500. And he posts multiple caps per post.

I'm sorry, but the idea that there's some social aspect to this hobby seems ridiculous as well.

Not to fuck shit up with academic rhetoric or anything, but there's a pretty significant body of literature on theories of collecting that support this.

I get that he bothers you. Piracy bothers me, and it kills me whenever I hear that someone's been hurt by it. But I don't think those angles undermine what he's saying.

If he was just collecting it would be one thing. What he's doing is not collecting. It's disseminating. He even said the majority of his time was spent on the uploading part of the process. And it's being done entirely via sources that can make him income, whether he admits to accepting that income or not. I think all of that, combined with the fact that I can find virtually no social aspect present in his posts on these forums, undermines what he's saying.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

If he was just collecting it would be one thing. What he's doing is not collecting. It's disseminating. He even said the majority of his time was spent on the uploading part of the process. And it's being done entirely via sources that can make him income, whether he admits to accepting that income or not. I think all of that, combined with the fact that I can find virtually no social aspect present in his posts on these forums, undermines what he's saying.

Oof. I'm going to regret this...

A key element of one form of collecting is the development of a highly specialized knowledge. In this case, it would be a kind of connoisseurship. By capping and collecting vids, you would developed a highly specialized understanding of the nuances among cam girls, at least insofar as you can gather from vid caps. Connoisseurship, when it plays a role in collecting, is also inherently social. That body of knowledge has more value, and becomes more satisfying, when there's a community with an interest in that knowledge as well. When it's shared and discussed, that body of knowledge can be expanded as a whole, and refined, and reworked. It, in turn, gives a connoisseur's own collection more value. That value can be intellectual, personal, psychological, commercial, or none of the above.

There's another reason why someone would develop a collection and find value in a social exchange, but I don't think it applies to Dwight.

Now that I feel dirty, I'm going to try to cleanse myself by saying that I wouldn't read too heavily into that impulse, only that it makes perfect sense that it would be social.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

Ugh. I feel gross, so I'm going to add that this is how a certain form of collecting works. When he says it's social, that's what comes to my mind and that's why I don't doubt it.

But I'm not going to say that this is what he is doing. He's spoken for himself very well. This is only meant to support the claim of a social component.

 

[Trav]

Ugh. I feel gross, so I'm going to add that this is how a certain form of collecting works. When he says it's social, that's what comes to my mind and that's why I don't doubt it.

But I'm not going to say that this is what he is doing. He's spoken for himself very well. This is only meant to support the existence of a social component.

I really feel like rationalizing it in the way you're talking about is like trying to break in through the window of a house when the doors are wide open. 

I'm not discounting that the psychology you're talking about exists. But again, this is a guy with over 12,500 posts across 7+ forums with, as far as I can tell, virtually 0 social interaction on those forums. I think a much easier explanation of this activity than he's trying to develop an encyclopedic and specialized understanding of cam models, is that he's simply found an easy and entertaining source of mostly passive income.

To be honest, I have no idea why there is so much trust of his word happening in this thread just because he's come here and has been able to form complete sentences. If he's making money from this, he has a vested interest in promoting the idea that he's a friendly presence, and that capping is inevitable so you should just appreciate the upside. The less models search for their files, and the less they try to get them deleted, the less his files get DMCA'd and the less he has to worry about re-uploading and re-posting them. Thus the more money he makes on them and the less time he has to invest. And the longer the files stay up, the more his passive income grows exponentially.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

I really feel like rationalizing it in the way you're talking about is like trying to break in through the window of a house when the doors are wide open. 

I'm not discounting that the psychology you're talking about exists. But again, this is a guy with over 12,500 posts across 7+ forums with, as far as I can tell, virtually 0 social interaction on those forums. I think a much easier explanation of this activity than he's trying to develop an encyclopedic and specialized understanding of cam models, is that he's simply found an easy and entertaining source of mostly passive income.

You said that you didn't believe that it could be social because you couldn't understand how that would work. I showed you how that would work. You dismissed it, and that's fine, but now that means that you're no longer calling him a liar because you can't see otherwise. You're calling him a liar because you refuse to allow for the possibility that it's true.

The interaction is there. The fact you haven't seen it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The fact you haven't seen it only means that you haven't seen it.

Personally, I require a little more evidence before I call someone a liar. And I definitely require more evidence before I draw a different conclusion altogether.

 

[LadyLuna]

It's not just because he can form complete sentences. It's because he's been very civil about it. It's perfectly possible to form complete sentences and be a total asshat, douchebag, or bastard. He hasn't been in his dealings with us on this forum.

Thus, he's given us no reason to distrust anything that he says. I prefer to believe that when a person is talking about him or her own self, that person is probably telling the truth, unless there's a very good reason to believe they aren't. He's not here trying to make friends. He's here trying to help us understand his side, and it appears trying to understand our side a little. Thus, he has absolutely no reason to lie to us, unless he's a very sick and twisted person.

Also keep in mind, most people want someone else to understand them and their motives. A lot of hate is simply "I don't understand you!" and "How could you possibly understand me?" Probably why women seem to be better at hating others than men do... we take being understood more seriously. But that doesn't mean men don't want to be understood, you just tend not to push for it as much. And hence, it's a little easier to find understanding.

About the collection deal. When I was in college, I was still in touch with one of my friends from high school. On visiting him one time, he showed me his collection of music for the computer version of ddr. I asked him why he had to get all the songs, even the ones he didn't care for. He said "It's a man thing. When a man decides to collect something, he has to collect it all." But it wasn't just about collecting it. It was about sharing that collection with his friends. He wanted, if a friend said "hey do you have <insert song here>?" to be able to say "yeah! Here it is!" Thus, the act of sharing the collection IS the social aspect of it.

You invite a friend over to experience your music collection, you don't spend the time talking. You spend the time listening to the music. Occasionally your friend might ask about a band, or album, or song, and you whip it out proudly if you have it, or say "no! I should get that for next time!" if you don't. But on a forum, there is no need for "no! I should get that for next time!" Because you don't have to post anything until you have it.

It's like, when I go to the sexy stuff subforum and see a new post in "That Ass!" or "Boobies!", if it's not a pic or gif, I feel a little let-down. Because I go there for the sexy stuff, not the conversations. I tried once, downloading the pictures to look at them later. Know what happened? It wasn't anywhere near as nice as seeing them in the post. Why? Because aside from the sexiness of the picture, it was knowing that someone else was appreciating it too.

So yeah, I totally believe him when he says part of it is just collecting, but part of it is the social aspect. Sharing something with someone else is part of being social.

Or didn't you learn to share in preschool as part of the first steps of socializing?

 

[vlad.mazare]

He has over 30TB of videos just in the past year from what I heard, that isn't a collection you will remotely know anything about, that is a professional effort to profit from the content.

 

[Nordling]

Eddie Haskell was polite too. "How's the Beaver, Mrs. Cleaver?"

 

[Just Me]

I am just glad this sociopath is collecting videos and not heads.

Diagnostic Criteria of DSM-IV

There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviours as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honour financial obligations;
Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
The individual is at least age 18 years.

 

[Swirl]

Ugh. I feel gross, so I'm going to add that this is how a certain form of collecting works. When he says it's social, that's what comes to my mind and that's why I don't doubt it.

But I'm not going to say that this is what he is doing. He's spoken for himself very well. This is only meant to support the existence of a social component.

I really feel like rationalizing it in the way you're talking about is like trying to break in through the window of a house when the doors are wide open. 

I'm not discounting that the psychology you're talking about exists. But again, this is a guy with over 12,500 posts across 7+ forums with, as far as I can tell, virtually 0 social interaction on those forums. I think a much easier explanation of this activity than he's trying to develop an encyclopedic and specialized understanding of cam models, is that he's simply found an easy and entertaining source of mostly passive income.

To be honest, I have no idea why there is so much trust of his word happening in this thread just because he's come here and has been able to form complete sentences. If he's making money from this, he has a vested interest in promoting the idea that he's a friendly presence, and that capping is inevitable so you should just appreciate the upside. The less models search for their files, and the less they try to get them deleted, the less his files get DMCA'd and the less he has to worry about re-uploading and re-posting them. Thus the more money he makes on them and the less time he has to invest. And the longer the files stay up, the more his passive income grows exponentially.

I don't doubt that there is income involved and it could be a lot and it could be barely any and it could differ from guy to guy, but why did you get so hung up on the social aspect of all this? Participating in a forum is social, isn't it? Isn't reading and contributing to a forum on the internet social? Isn't AmberCutie forums social? Look, when you become a huge capper and start to develop this reputation for doing this, other cappers start to kiss your ass. I'm sure this feels good to him to have a following. I'm sure these guys PM each other and get to know each other and friendships develop. This is the social part. It's not social sitting there and uploading videos for hours and hours, no, but to deny that any social aspect exists at all just is not correct.