When a model receives a big tip/is successful...

[Evvie]

If I like two models equally well, I don't think I tip the more popular one more. I do agree that the same tip will tend to make a bigger splash in the less popular room (not saying the popular models don't appreciate it, just that a good tip is more common for them so probably less exciting). If anything, since currently I'm not able to give what I'd call a big tip more than occasionally, I'd probably rather make it to a less popular model since it will likely seem more special that way. Also, I don't think it's a good idea to tell a model how much you tip other models. It just seems like someone may end up feeling slighted that way. I don't keep careful tabs on how much I tip one model friend compared to another, and I'd really rather not have to worry about one feeling bad that I tipped another more.

I think it's very generous of you to be mindful of model's feelings when it comes to tipping. Even models who know it is silly can sometimes feel upset when they see a good regular throwing out huge tips to other models. As Miss Lolli said, it's impossible to keep everything quiet. But any member who went in to a different model's room and said "yeah I just tipped PrincessBoobs 10000 tokens last week" is being extremely rude, IMO. But at least some people realize that's not a good thing to do!

 

[RogueWarrior]

I really could quote so many of the above posts and offer a reply, but quite frankly, I don't have the energy or patience to do so. Therefore, I will offer this:

I have regularly been in model's rooms with scores ranging from 8K to 200. The score never mattered to me. On browsing days, sometimes I would start at the top and go down, other times I would start at the bottom and go up. Found many interesting models both ways.

There is a difference in the rooms based on camscore. Not so much from the models but from the room in its entirety.

I have never had a problem interacting with a higher score model (maybe because I don't use PM as a main means of communication).

It is my personal opinion that some (maybe a lot) of members go to lower score models to try to intimidate them into things, promising tokens that are never delivered if the model will do ............whatever. The models with higher scores will not be suckered into this ruse.

The 8k+ model that I visited frequently always remembered me. Not because I was a whale, but because she payed attention and because I interacted (and tipped, though not extravagantly).

Most of the models on top of MFC I had no use for. Not because they were "too popular". Just because we never jived.

My apologies to all of the ACF models. My life is very compartmentalized. To the point where ACF and MFC do not mix, for the most part.

 

[stu2]

From all of the above I don’t think there are any hard and fast rules on member’s pattern of usage on MFC. It’s the diversity that makes it appealing to me. For me it’s all about what sort of mood I am in yes some nights I will just go to a models room I know because that is my mood, other nights I feel like a walk around the site. Sort of like real life some nights you want to go to that really jumping busy bar where there is lots happening other nights you just want to go to the quite peaceful little place you know for a quite chat.

And as some have said following the crowd can be utter laziness at times rather than going and finding out your self and making your own mind up. :twocents-02cents:

 

[Jessi]

The members who always stand out to me and the ones who get the most attention are the ones who are actively engaging in my room. Not all of them are necessarily big tippers either. Of course I have less personal attention for people who don't tip or expect me to PM them all night, but if you make a positive contribution in one way or another, you will be noticed and get attention from the model in most cases.

 

[MissKlass]

Definitely agree. My camscore has gone up over 1000 points in about a month, and I have seen a huge difference. I have way more traffic, and a lot of new tippers every night. Before, it was just my regs carrying the room. I have never had so many new tippers than now. Looking more popular makes a huge difference!

 

[dustinxxxizzle]

I feel intimidated, mostly, in more popular rooms. I'm also more of a privates kind of guy, though, so the top models I find attractive are usually just forbidden fruit for me, because most of them don't do privates. That being said, on the occasion I have visited a more popular girl, and dropped a small tip here and there, they have always been kind to me.

 

[LadyLuna]

Sometimes I feel like a fish out of water...

My camscore tends to fluctuate from 800-1200. I treat everybody with respect until they show their stupidity/assholery, allow the basics to talk, but mute guests. I also ban anyone who annoys me, ignore the pm's of people unless they've been interacting in public chat (or if the little alert tells me they asked about private), and appreciate every tip. I never call people out to tip, and last night I discovered how to minimize the user list so I won't even know who's in my room or when they've left. I don't run a countdown, but there is a tip list and an unofficial countdown. Since gentlemen can opt-out their tips for the unofficial countdown, I don't keep track of it where the room can see. I don't actually expect to reach it anyway, so I don't hype it up. It's just mentioned on my profile as something I'll do if I reach it (soft goal for the night is 1400 tokens, the unofficial countdown is 2000 tokens).

So basically, in my room, if you want attention, you can get it by talking in public chat. If you don't want attention, you just don't talk, and I won't even acknowledge your presence. If you want a show, you can tip for it, or take me private. I'm not picky on that point.

In the past, I had people complain because I wasn't paying attention to pm. Most of these people just wanted to say hi, and ask how I was. So I've added an auto-reply, since pm is too useful to limit it to friends only. The auto-reply is something along the lines of "Public chat has priority. For a quicker answer to your question, check out my profile!"

I guess my point here, is, you don't have to go to the higher models to get lost in the crowd. If you have no intention of ever tipping, perv as a guest or basic, and don't ask the model for anything. But I can understand why a guy would think that they need to go up to get lost in the crowd, and down to get attention. The truth is, whichever room your in, you're more likely to get attention if you tip, and if you talk in public chat.

 

[ComicOzzie]

I'm not a model, so I can only guess at this, but success on MFC seems to be directly related to the amount of tips you get.

I think you might have cracked the code. Kudos!

 

[stu2]

Oh just got to say this. Lady L “fish out of water”? No, no and again NO beautiful creature that has found her ocean attitude is more like it! All points noted and will stop lurking in your room on drive thru sod the cam score some don’t care and never look at them!!

 

[UncleThursday]

OMG yes! People are being soo incredibly rude to me since I started on my new account. On my old account the guys were all super sweet, respectful, and seemed to think of me like a person. Now I get one or two people in my room, daily being assholes. I was told i have an ugly face, white trash (im less than half white btw),fake, etc, in the 4 or 5 days I've been online. I'm seriously starting to develop some anxiety about going on, when I just recently got over my cam shyness. :/

Having not yet been in your room, I can't comment on anything but the pics on your MFC profile.

You're definitely not ugly. You're very massively cute. Oh, and long socks pics :dance:

I'm not huge on the chest tattoos, personally, but I wouldn't come in and say anything bad about them. They're just not my cup of tea is all.

Maybe I'll look you up over my long weekend in between editing my Halo 4 review and the hot girls promo.

 

[UncleThursday]

I've noticed many of my high tipping regulars will mention that they also tip another model with a lower score. When I look at their 'large' tips to her, even though they tell me they're MAD about her - they are SIMPLY not tipping as much as they tip me for my attention. Because she has a quieter room, a lower score, and when they tip 1000 tks they're making up 1/3 of her nightly goal (for example) instead of 1/10 of mine... so they get attention that is worth "1/3" of her daily paycheck.

I think its VERY true, and VERY interesting.

It's true that the lower camscore models have rooms that are quieter. So smaller tips can get more attention.

But you also have to remember that the lower camscore girls generally can't ask for larger countdown amounts, too. Mostly because their rooms are quieter.

So, let's say a 5k camscore model can say 1k tokens to topless. She can probably get it. A 500 camscore model asking for 1k to topless isn't likely to get it. To the 500 camscore model, 1k would almost definitely be completely nude, if not a full on show if she does public shows.

That's the thing with camscore, though. It's a generalization on how much you make and your potential to make. The higher your camscore, the more you make, in general.

For example, LocaLoca_ was online today. First time I have sene her in a few weeks. But those few weeks off actually bumped her camscore up. She's almost at Shy's camscore, now (Shy's just an easy one to mention, as she's well known for having a high camscore). She can set her prices high, like 5k for a public show, because at her camscore she's more likely to get it (not saying she definitely would, but she is more likely to).

Compare that to a sub 500 camscore model I know. Very hot, very nice. But she only asks 200 tokens to get nude. And, even then, she is often fully clothed the whole time. But, she works multiple sites at the same time, and does beter on the other sites. But, with her constant away and camera off time, her camscore never really goes up. There are some days I'm the only one who gets her nakie... mostly because I like seeing her nakie, and it doesn't cost me an arm and a leg to do so.

 

[UncleThursday]

I do not really care how popular a model is. If I am in her room it is because I like her.

You wouldn't believe how many people have said "You're too popular for me to stay"

... I think they mean, you don't answer my pointless PMs fast enough so I'm finding someone with less people in her room because maybe I'll get the attention I think I deserve.

It's not always that case, though.

For example, I kind of have regulated my perving/tipping of GoddessZoey to PM windows, even though I was in her room on her first day on MFC and was a reg for a few months.

But, as she started getting more and more popular, and at the time I was out of work... I felt that I was more taking up space compared to the guys who could tip at the time.

Now, though, when I enter her room, normally on our birthday (we share the same birthday), it just goes by too damn fast with all the people in there. Even though she's never taken me off her friends list, so I can PM her, I don't want to have to PM her the entire time to ensure she even sees what I type as the room scrolls by so fast. Also, since I'm not one of her huge tippers, I don't feel it's right to have her check PMs all the time and take her away from the people that are her bigger tippers.

I get the same issue on Fling, when I go there, though. I find the people I know, follow their conversations (so their names appear in bold so they stand out) and not care about the rest of the bullshit that goes on in the room. Especially since they keep upping the max number of people in the room, over there.

It's part of why I generally just stay in PM windows with the girls I talk to/tip, and not enter their rooms. Especially the more popular girls. The room scrolling by so fast just gives me a headache, figuratively speaking. I know I can send a PM and not have it answered for a while. But, I'm ok with that. It's also why I can have like 8 cams up at one time. :lol:

 

[mynameisbob84]

OMG yes! People are being soo incredibly rude to me since I started on my new account. On my old account the guys were all super sweet, respectful, and seemed to think of me like a person. Now I get one or two people in my room, daily being assholes. I was told i have an ugly face, white trash (im less than half white btw),fake, etc, in the 4 or 5 days I've been online. I'm seriously starting to develop some anxiety about going on, when I just recently got over my cam shyness. :/

Having not yet been in your room, I can't comment on anything but the pics on your MFC profile.

You're definitely not ugly. You're very massively cute.

Yeah, that. Clearly, you're not even the teeniest, tiniest bit ugly.
I also think it's important to remember that when some troll has decided he's gonna make it his mission to upset you, he's gonna come out with all manner of shit just to get a reaction out of you. It doesn't mean he actually believes any of it and it certainly doesn't mean any of it's true.
I see this exchange so often;

"Hey, bb you're beautiful. I really wanna suck on your tits can I see your tits please I wanna cum on your tits?"
"That'll cost you x tokens"
"Fuck you, you ugly bitch!"

I'd be more inclined to believe that these guys thought the model in question was ugly if they hadn't just made it clear to all that they want to jack off to their tits, ya know? :?

 

[nervous101]

I've always got the impression from members that when a girl seems successful it tends to sway them into thinking "wow, this girl must be good"

Yes that is what I think as well. It's only natural that if a model's camscore is high or if a model just received a 8000 token tip, it is because she is good.

The large tip is also fun to watch because it is like at a casino. Sometimes you just like to see people bet crazy amounts of money, regardless of whether they win or lose. Also seeing the reaction of a model who just received a crazy tip is fun.

It's a kind of sheep mentality. In brick lane there are two bagel shops very close to each other, one had massive ques, but the other didn't. Some friends of mine did some research and asked everyone in the que why they chose that one. The reason was the que, none of them had ever tried the other place, they just assumed this place was better because it has the crowds.

I personally do not choose a model based on the room number, because most of the time it is because the model is using toys.
But I do have the sheep mentality when it comes to model camscore, but not the room number.

I've noticed with my camscore going up that quite a few members treat me differently. Partly a respect thing, but the camscore number seems to make many of them accept if they want my attention they'll have to work for it harder.

Yes the respect thing is a possibility. But I feel this is just merely a reflection of reality. People treat people differently based on how much money they have, their job salary, their car, the clothes they wear, their education level, etc.

So in MFC's case it is the camscore.

But then there's the other thing, that people sometimes don't tip because they know a countdown will be completed without it, or they feel their 20 tokens look pathetic next to the 4k tip that was just dropped.

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.
But most of the time I don't tip because I'm really low on tokens and am just saving them.

I'm curious to know where others stand on this? When you see a girl being very wanted/liked, does it encourage you to like her?

Personally no, I like a model based on how they treat me. If she has a high camscore it is merely a coincidence.
Some of my favorite models were originally new models, that's how I found them. But unfortunately they are in the 2nd page because they did not plan properly.

Only glanced through the thread, but I feel the main reason why models with high camscores do better, is simply because, they are easier to find.
They are by default at the top of the front page. I'm sure there are many great models beyond the 1st page, but there are thousands of models and it is difficult to go through every single one of them. Even the 1st page is already a struggle for me to check every single one.

 

[UncleThursday]

If I like two models equally well, I don't think I tip the more popular one more. I do agree that the same tip will tend to make a bigger splash in the less popular room (not saying the popular models don't appreciate it, just that a good tip is more common for them so probably less exciting). If anything, since currently I'm not able to give what I'd call a big tip more than occasionally, I'd probably rather make it to a less popular model since it will likely seem more special that way. Also, I don't think it's a good idea to tell a model how much you tip other models. It just seems like someone may end up feeling slighted that way. I don't keep careful tabs on how much I tip one model friend compared to another, and I'd really rather not have to worry about one feeling bad that I tipped another more.

I think it's very generous of you to be mindful of model's feelings when it comes to tipping. Even models who know it is silly can sometimes feel upset when they see a good regular throwing out huge tips to other models. As Miss Lolli said, it's impossible to keep everything quiet. But any member who went in to a different model's room and said "yeah I just tipped PrincessBoobs 10000 tokens last week" is being extremely rude, IMO. But at least some people realize that's not a good thing to do!

I know two models who are roommates. When they're on at the same time and I have tokens, I tip each one the same. It might end up being a few small tips to each, normally 10 tokens each time to each model with a funny tip note, but they'll both get the same amount from me.

I talk to both. One of them has a camscore roughly 2k more than the other, I've known the higher camscore girl longer and she actually told me about the lower camscore girl when she started. They're obviously friends, too, so I want to make sure each one knows I am giving them the same amount of 'affection' in the tips they both get from me when they're both online at the same time.

The same when some models who work at the same studio in Romania get together in an apartment for a multi-camgirl night. I'll tip all of them the same; again normally smaller tips one right after the other.

But, in general, it's none of my model friends' business who else I tip, or how much. But I also don't say things like 'oh, I'd love to tip you, but I tipped X girl Y amount.' Even between MissSexyVixen and her twin sister MissFoxyMinx, I don't mention that sort of thing. If those ladies want to mention it to each other about if their in-common regs tipped each of them, that's on them.

But I somehow don't think that the models on the sites who know they share regs talk to each other about how much each of their in-common regs tip them.

 

[PinkiePixi]

I've noticed many of my high tipping regulars will mention that they also tip another model with a lower score. When I look at their 'large' tips to her, even though they tell me they're MAD about her - they are SIMPLY not tipping as much as they tip me for my attention. Because she has a quieter room, a lower score, and when they tip 1000 tks they're making up 1/3 of her nightly goal (for example) instead of 1/10 of mine... so they get attention that is worth "1/3" of her daily paycheck.

I think its VERY true, and VERY interesting.

It's true that the lower camscore models have rooms that are quieter. So smaller tips can get more attention.

But you also have to remember that the lower camscore girls generally can't ask for larger countdown amounts, too. Mostly because their rooms are quieter.

So, let's say a 5k camscore model can say 1k tokens to topless. She can probably get it. A 500 camscore model asking for 1k to topless isn't likely to get it. To the 500 camscore model, 1k would almost definitely be completely nude, if not a full on show if she does public shows.

That's the thing with camscore, though. It's a generalization on how much you make and your potential to make. The higher your camscore, the more you make, in general.

For example, LocaLoca_ was online today. First time I have sene her in a few weeks. But those few weeks off actually bumped her camscore up. She's almost at Shy's camscore, now (Shy's just an easy one to mention, as she's well known for having a high camscore). She can set her prices high, like 5k for a public show, because at her camscore she's more likely to get it (not saying she definitely would, but she is more likely to).

Compare that to a sub 500 camscore model I know. Very hot, very nice. But she only asks 200 tokens to get nude. And, even then, she is often fully clothed the whole time. But, she works multiple sites at the same time, and does beter on the other sites. But, with her constant away and camera off time, her camscore never really goes up. There are some days I'm the only one who gets her nakie... mostly because I like seeing her nakie, and it doesn't cost me an arm and a leg to do so.

What Miss_Lollipop said is definitely true. I have a couple of regs that are bigger tippers, Ive seen them in other rooms with girls who have much higher scores than I do, and they tip them up to 10x more than what they tip me - if not more. Am I upset? Nope! But thats the way it is - for me, their tip could be my entire show countdown and I freak out and give them appropriate attention - while in a higher cs room, the same tip would be a drop in the bucket, and wont likely go as far as it would with me. So it only makes sense that he would tip them more if he wants the same amount of attention. Does it mean that her shows are better than mine, or that mine are worse than hers? Nope! Its just the way it is.

My cs is in the high 1300s - and I cant even usually get 1000tks for a show countdown without my regs. Back when I had a lower cs, I couldnt make a countdown for anything to save my life, so I never tried after failing numerous 200tk topless countdowns. Likewise now - my room is a lot busier than ever, but for the most part I still get the same amount of tips as I did when I had a cs of 700-800. I get buckets more people, but that doesnt mean more tippers, or even chatters. Its the rarer big nights that pump up my cs.

Attention doesnt need to be bought in my room though - as long as you participate and chat in a meaningful way, youll get my attention. My room isnt so hopping that Im busy with tippers constantly, hell - there are plenty of times where I appreciate good conversation even more than tips! Likewise though - I have had past regulars stop coming to my room and express dismay that I was doing better, sometimes without even visiting my room - just seeing my cs. Some guys are very anti-popular rooms, I guess they feel that they wont get the attention that they want for what they can afford to tip - which isnt always the case. But the assumption keeps them from even trying to stick around, and they just go find other lower cs girls.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.

If everyone adopted that mindset then the only models to ever get tipped would be those fortunate few who have rich regulars and the majority of camgirls would be left to entertain a room full of freeloaders and then they'd leave the site because they're not making any money and we as members would be left with about a hundred models instead of a thousand and every room would consist of about 10,000 freeloaders and maybe two big spenders and then the big spenders would get fed up of tipping for the other 10,000 freeloaders to get their rocks off and they'd leave and then there'd be no more tippers and then all the models would leave because there's no more money to be made and we, as members, would be left staring at an empty screen wishing we'd tipped more 20 token tips when we had the chance

 

[bob]

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.

If everyone adopted that mindset then the only models to ever get tipped would be those fortunate few who have rich regulars and the majority of camgirls would be left to entertain a room full of freeloaders and then they'd leave the site because they're not making any money and we as members would be left with about a hundred models instead of a thousand and every room would consist of about 10,000 freeloaders and maybe two big spenders and then the big spenders would get fed up of tipping for the other 10,000 freeloaders to get their rocks off and they'd leave and then there'd be no more tippers and then all the models would leave because there's no more money to be made and we, as members, would be left staring at an empty screen wishing we'd tipped more 20 token tips when we had the chance

yeah....if it's about who else has tipped and how much, then somehow the model has dropped out of the room.....sounds really lonely to me.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.

If everyone adopted that mindset then the only models to ever get tipped would be those fortunate few who have rich regulars and the majority of camgirls would be left to entertain a room full of freeloaders and then they'd leave the site because they're not making any money and we as members would be left with about a hundred models instead of a thousand and every room would consist of about 10,000 freeloaders and maybe two big spenders and then the big spenders would get fed up of tipping for the other 10,000 freeloaders to get their rocks off and they'd leave and then there'd be no more tippers and then all the models would leave because there's no more money to be made and we, as members, would be left staring at an empty screen wishing we'd tipped more 20 token tips when we had the chance

yeah....if it's about who else has tipped and how much, then somehow the model has dropped out of the room.....sounds really lonely to me.

It's this attitude that I hate! There are plenty who go "great, someone else is tipping for the countdown so my 20 tokens will mean much more!" Which is the truth. If I have people tipping in the hundreds and a few tip 10/20 tokens then the countdown will be going faster, the tip noise continues, I notice that person and appreciate them etc even if it's just a little tip. It also encourages the people who might tip bigger to tip more. 20 tokens does not cost much. Even sometimes people will do 5 token yellow walls, jeeze, 5 tokens, it's not much, but if several people join in, and there are some who are tipping lots of sets of 5 tokens it adds up and is fun to watch! Also if someone drops a big tip, never assume it's for the countdown. When people do their little applauding thing after someone drops a big tip, and thank them for completing the countdown so you don't have to pay, maybe drop the model 50 tokens and write a public tip note saying thank you "xxxx". Would be nice really, that dude's just paid for your free porn! He's paying for that model you like so much to stick around! Tipping a bit to encourage him that he's not just paid for a show for a bunch of complete douchecanoes isn't really that bad. It's not fair that freeloaders such as yourself are punishing those guys who do tip lots and the models because someone else is paying! You don't go into a busy restaurant, see someone else leaving a massive tip and go "well, looks like you guys are sorted, so even though you gave me a great service/meal, I don't really feel I should pay for it".

 

[nervous101]

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.

If everyone adopted that mindset then the only models to ever get tipped would be those fortunate few who have rich regulars and the majority of camgirls would be left to entertain a room full of freeloaders and then they'd leave the site because they're not making any money and we as members would be left with about a hundred models instead of a thousand and every room would consist of about 10,000 freeloaders and maybe two big spenders and then the big spenders would get fed up of tipping for the other 10,000 freeloaders to get their rocks off and they'd leave and then there'd be no more tippers and then all the models would leave because there's no more money to be made and we, as members, would be left staring at an empty screen wishing we'd tipped more 20 token tips when we had the chance

Ok ok wiseguy I get your point. :lol:
The scenario you presented was a bit exaggerated because I would tip 20 tokens on another model who is having a slow day than a model who just received 4k token.

 

[BetsyBooty]

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.

If everyone adopted that mindset then the only models to ever get tipped would be those fortunate few who have rich regulars and the majority of camgirls would be left to entertain a room full of freeloaders and then they'd leave the site because they're not making any money and we as members would be left with about a hundred models instead of a thousand and every room would consist of about 10,000 freeloaders and maybe two big spenders and then the big spenders would get fed up of tipping for the other 10,000 freeloaders to get their rocks off and they'd leave and then there'd be no more tippers and then all the models would leave because there's no more money to be made and we, as members, would be left staring at an empty screen wishing we'd tipped more 20 token tips when we had the chance

Indeed. And this vicious circle can close even more quickly than that, because big tips prefer to ride on the backs of many small tips. The high roller will be less likely to roll high in a room where that sweet chiming of the tip bell is but rarely heard. Chipping in whatever tokens you can afford is a great act of teamwork. Big tips are thrilling, yes, but a countdown completed by many people is in many ways more satisfying.

To the original question: it is amazing how differently a model gets treated based on camscore, room count and other measures of 'success.' This is partly because the clientele changes from one level to the next. Many (though by no means all) guys who visit lower camscore rooms do so because they seek a *discount* experience. And by that I don't just mean they hope to get more tits for their tokens. They're also possibly hoping to get to chat and hold the room's attention without ever tipping, get away with beggary & bullshit, or act disproportionately entitled when they tip small sums. Unfortunately this discounty vibe can easily imprint on the room itself, making its culture less friendly and respectful. I suspect this makes the average visitor either turn a bit more dickish, or get put off by the dickishness of others.

My camscore is still not stellar, but the people attracted to my room lately have different expectations than those attracted to my room when I had a much lower camscore. More of them look to me like good customers, unlikely to quibble over basic concepts like reciprocal politeness or payment for service. Of course, at a really high camscore level the clientele changes again. There are obviously lots of excellent customers in highly successful rooms, but the sleazes and cheapos love mingling in the crowds there too.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

The camscore and room popularity count, like almost all crowd source rating systems on the internet; from Amazon ratings, to Metacritic, to Yelp, suffer from a halo effect. In particular when people are asked to rate something if others have all ready rated in highly, this biases their rating upwards. MFC makes the problem worse by driving traffic to the highest rated/most popular rooms. Imagine how different shopping on Amazon would be if you saw 250 thumbnails of the highest rated products on the homepage.

Generally speaking guys go on MFC to see: hot girls, interesting shows, and engage in intercourse (aka chat). Different guys place different weighting on these activities. For most seeing pretty girls do a show is very high priority, others highly value the social interaction.

Lots of studies have shown that guys consistently on agree which girls are most attractive. Both guys and girls 1-10 rating on sites like IamIhotornot (or Facebook early on) show little variation. Although things like clothes and make-up can enhance appearance and bad cams, lighting etc can detract from appearance,generally speaking good looking girls have better cam score. I can honestly say that I have yet to see a camgirl with camscore over 10,000 who was not good looking, and most are drop dead gorgeous.

There is a greater variation among guys on what makes an interesting show. Most guys are happy just to see a girl dancing naked, or masturbating. Plenty of guys get off on seeing more exotic sexual activities: anal play, squirting, huge toys, girl girl shows etc. But often the most popular rooms are ones where there is an unusual activity, say Olivia Naked zany hobo antics, Aspen Raes swinging into a dildo, or Jolene's artistic projector shows are all very popular. If I see I 1,000 guys in a room most of the time I'll enjoy the show (unless it just ended), the one thing I can say is I have yet to enter a room with 1,000+ guy and find a fully clothed girl texting her friends and ignoring the room, in contrast lots of room with 6 or 7 viewers have board/boring cam girls.

The final reason guys visit MFC is an chance to chat with the girls. A couple of things, first most guys don't chat with girls on MFC. Now that is mostly cause you mute basics (Thank God :lol: ) but even among premium only a minority are chatting at all. The other thing the keep in mind is that guys on ACF, aren't at all representative of the guys on MFC. If you think about instead of watching naked girls play with themselves, we are reading blocks of text. It is hell of lot quicker for me to type "h bb pussy" than this post, and there is a slim chance I'll see a pussy. :-D. In short, conversations to members on this forum are way more important than it is to the average MFC member, which is why you see several responses along the line I don't visit popular rooms. Right now the #1 room on MFC has more viewers than rooms ~600-1115 combined, so clearly most guys do visit popular rooms.

So I am predisposed to assume that a girl with a high camscore is good looking and likely to get naked fairly quickly (i.e hit her countdown). I also assume a popular room will have decent number of tippers and if it is for a girl with high camscore some very large tippers. I do know that tips to girls with lower cam score will generally be appreciated more and conversely that I need tip more to get the attention of girls with higher camscore. I figure this is how the game is played, and I can't change the rules, unless I make some really cool webcam tutorials :lol:

Now I happen to by that type that will tip pretty much any ACF girl who's room I spend a decent amount of time in, and even will put out the token 10 or 20 tip gesture for the very top models , but I suspect like most guys, I save most of my tokens for my favorite models. So if I am simply watching a show and not interacting with the model, than yes the presence of lots of tipper or more commonly the one or two whales will make me less inclined to make more than a single tip.

I think it is important to understand that most guys can not even afford to make a single tip for every show they watch. Imagine a guy who spends $75 to buy 900 tokens every other month. Let say he has two favorite model with lower cam score and tips them 200 tokens a month each, and participate in their chats. This leaves him only 100 tokens to spend on other models. If averages a hour or so a day on MFC this leaves him only ten 10 tokens tips to spread out over 60 days. In this situations it is only logical for the guy notto bother to tip a top models who routinly getting 500 or 1,000 token tip and see yellow walls etc. To save those tips for camgirls who are struggling.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I think it is important to understand that most guys can not even afford to make a single tip for every show they watch. Imagine a guy who spends $75 to buy 900 tokens every other month. Let say he has two favorite model with lower cam score and tips them 200 tokens a month each, and participate in their chats. This leaves him only 100 tokens to spend on other models. If averages a hour or so a day on MFC this leaves him only ten 10 tokens tips to spread out over 60 days. In this situations it is only logical for the guy notto bother to tip a top models who routinly getting 500 or 1,000 token tip and see yellow walls etc. To save those tips for camgirls who are struggling.

Off topic but I felt a bit bad about it, there's a guy who comes into my room, he does tip, not loads, but every now and then he'll drop a few hundred tokens on me. He's been watching me for at least 5 months, the tips usually happen every few months, yet I know he does buy/spend tokens. Actually after him claiming not to have tokens/any money several times I have seen him take a camgirl I know/like in a half hour true private and then day before yesterday drop several reasonable sized tips.
He was in my room last night, I could see he had tokens and we were chatting in pm. He asked whether me and this other cam model were going to get together, and I said a bit cheekily that if he helped me finish my countdown I would tell him (me and the girl have talked about it). He answered that he was saving his tokens to buy vids/do privates, so I offered a vid he hasn't got yet, he continued making excuses, I guess it was the excuses really that made me raise my eyebrows. Anyway he then hid his tokens, I thanked him and said if he doesn't intend on even dropping 10/20 tokens on a girl he's watching and chatting to in pm yet has tokens, he should always have them hidden, otherwise it's not fair. He admitted that he was saving up to take the other girl in a long trueprivate. I said fair enough, was getting busy on cam so diverted my attention away from him (seeing as he wasn't planning on/considering tipping), he clearly did feel guilty and dropped 20 tokens. I felt a bit bad afterwards, although it is true, I don't like pressuring guys into tipping, I was more trying to inform him for the future. As a member you do have to be careful, I understand his point that if he tipped every girl he watched 20 tokens then he'd be broke, but as I pointed out, then if he feels that way he should stick to only a few girls/keep his tokens hidden!
Being a Uk model a lot of my regulars also go to uk girls, and there aren't many of us, meaning chances are if you're hanging out with the higher camscore range you will be noticed dropping tips on other girls.

 

[bob]

I think it is important to understand that most guys can not even afford to make a single tip for every show they watch. Imagine a guy who spends $75 to buy 900 tokens every other month. Let say he has two favorite model with lower cam score and tips them 200 tokens a month each, and participate in their chats. This leaves him only 100 tokens to spend on other models. If averages a hour or so a day on MFC this leaves him only ten 10 tokens tips to spread out over 60 days. In this situations it is only logical for the guy notto bother to tip a top models who routinly getting 500 or 1,000 token tip and see yellow walls etc. To save those tips for camgirls who are struggling.

Off topic but I felt a bit bad about it, there's a guy who comes into my room, he does tip, not loads, but every now and then he'll drop a few hundred tokens on me. He's been watching me for at least 5 months, the tips usually happen every few months, yet I know he does buy/spend tokens. Actually after him claiming not to have tokens/any money several times I have seen him take a camgirl I know/like in a half hour true private and then day before yesterday drop several reasonable sized tips.
He was in my room last night, I could see he had tokens and we were chatting in pm. He asked whether me and this other cam model were going to get together, and I said a bit cheekily that if he helped me finish my countdown I would tell him (me and the girl have talked about it). He answered that he was saving his tokens to buy vids/do privates, so I offered a vid he hasn't got yet, he continued making excuses, I guess it was the excuses really that made me raise my eyebrows. Anyway he then hid his tokens, I thanked him and said if he doesn't intend on even dropping 10/20 tokens on a girl he's watching and chatting to in pm yet has tokens, he should always have them hidden, otherwise it's not fair. He admitted that he was saving up to take the other girl in a long trueprivate. I said fair enough, was getting busy on cam so diverted my attention away from him (seeing as he wasn't planning on/considering tipping), he clearly did feel guilty and dropped 20 tokens. I felt a bit bad afterwards, although it is true, I don't like pressuring guys into tipping, I was more trying to inform him for the future. As a member you do have to be careful, I understand his point that if he tipped every girl he watched 20 tokens then he'd be broke, but as I pointed out, then if he feels that way he should stick to only a few girls/keep his tokens hidden!
Being a Uk model a lot of my regulars also go to uk girls, and there aren't many of us, meaning chances are if you're hanging out with the higher camscore range you will be noticed dropping tips on other girls.

fwiw....i don't see any pressure from you in that story at all....the guy tipped you because he felt quilty all right....it was the only option left to maintain any dignity :lol:

 

[JoleneBrody]

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.

If everyone adopted that mindset then the only models to ever get tipped would be those fortunate few who have rich regulars and the majority of camgirls would be left to entertain a room full of freeloaders and then they'd leave the site because they're not making any money and we as members would be left with about a hundred models instead of a thousand and every room would consist of about 10,000 freeloaders and maybe two big spenders and then the big spenders would get fed up of tipping for the other 10,000 freeloaders to get their rocks off and they'd leave and then there'd be no more tippers and then all the models would leave because there's no more money to be made and we, as members, would be left staring at an empty screen wishing we'd tipped more 20 token tips when we had the chance

Ok ok wiseguy I get your point. :lol:
The scenario you presented was a bit exaggerated because I would tip 20 tokens on another model who is having a slow day than a model who just received 4k token.

Ehhhh... Bob is right. It's just a very sorry excuse for not tipping someone who is providing you with a service.

I don't often have to bail on countdown but the last few times I have, There was a large single tip that knocked out most of it fairly quickly. The reason why is because of your mentality. People saw me get a 1500 token tip towards a countdown of 2000 and just sat back, deciding to let others pay for their good time. 2 hours later I have to log off because I still haven't reached the goal. There is NO reason why a large tip should mean I make less than my goal, it should be the opposite but often times that is not the case and your mentality is the reason why. :handgestures-salute:

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.

If everyone adopted that mindset then the only models to ever get tipped would be those fortunate few who have rich regulars and the majority of camgirls would be left to entertain a room full of freeloaders and then they'd leave the site because they're not making any money and we as members would be left with about a hundred models instead of a thousand and every room would consist of about 10,000 freeloaders and maybe two big spenders and then the big spenders would get fed up of tipping for the other 10,000 freeloaders to get their rocks off and they'd leave and then there'd be no more tippers and then all the models would leave because there's no more money to be made and we, as members, would be left staring at an empty screen wishing we'd tipped more 20 token tips when we had the chance

Ok ok wiseguy I get your point. :lol:
The scenario you presented was a bit exaggerated because I would tip 20 tokens on another model who is having a slow day than a model who just received 4k token.

Ehhhh... Bob is right. It's just a very sorry excuse for not tipping someone who is providing you with a service.

I don't often have to bail on countdown but the last few times I have, There was a large single tip that knocked out most of it fairly quickly. The reason why is because of your mentality. People saw me get a 1500 token tip towards a countdown of 2000 and just sat back, deciding to let others pay for their good time. 2 hours later I have to log off because I still haven't reached the goal. There is NO reason why a large tip should mean I make less than my goal, it should be the opposite but often times that is not the case and your mentality is the reason why. :handgestures-salute:

Actually this reminds me of one time I had a countdown running the night before my birthday, there was about 1950 to go and one of my regulars waited until 12 on the dot to drop me a 1875 birthday tip! I was really excited and happy for the birthday tip! Someone then dropped 75 tokens going "I think we should be in show!" The comment surprised me, as I knew that the tip wasn't for the countdown, but for my birthday. The member in question was actually just going to bed and had waited to drop that tip on the dot of my birthday, actually he was leaving mfcs so it was a goodbye tip on top of that.
The room started preparing themselves for their 75 token show. I was like "ummm guys, I'll take half off the countdown, but the tip wasn't for the countdown it was a birthday present, the member who tipped is going to bed, I'd like you all to contribute to the countdown" basically "dudes, it's my birthday not yours. He didn't tip to give you guys all a free show."
After that, the countdown was like 900 tokens, and it was my birthday, but it went so bloody slowly. I swear people just refused to tip because they got the idea into their heads someone else should pay for it all.
The reason actually I didn't put it to countdown besides that, was because everyone had been so slow at tipping, and as I said, I didn't really feel like giving a load of people willing to freeload/not tip me/let me struggle on-my-birthday a free show!
If I'd felt like I was with a bunch of awesome guys, I may have done that free cumshow!

Keep tipping regardless of whether there's a big tipper. Because essentially the big tippers will stop letting it go to countdown and will just buy skypes/vids etc or tip just because, and then you'll all have to complete the countdown with your 10 and 20 tokens with no help!

I swear nervous, this isn't the worst thing you've said, it's quite tame by your standards, but I swear you're trying to cover everything that camgirls are most sensitive about to get a reaction. Either that or you're just a bit of a knob/lack empathy.
We are all entitled to our opinions, but don't expect to be liked/respected or even listened to when you lack such tact.

 

[nervous101]

Yes that is part of the reason why I don't tip, because my 20 tokens will be insignificant to the 4k token tip anyway. That high roller has most of it covered, so no point in me tipping.

If everyone adopted that mindset then the only models to ever get tipped would be those fortunate few who have rich regulars and the majority of camgirls would be left to entertain a room full of freeloaders and then they'd leave the site because they're not making any money and we as members would be left with about a hundred models instead of a thousand and every room would consist of about 10,000 freeloaders and maybe two big spenders and then the big spenders would get fed up of tipping for the other 10,000 freeloaders to get their rocks off and they'd leave and then there'd be no more tippers and then all the models would leave because there's no more money to be made and we, as members, would be left staring at an empty screen wishing we'd tipped more 20 token tips when we had the chance

Ok ok wiseguy I get your point. :lol:
The scenario you presented was a bit exaggerated because I would tip 20 tokens on another model who is having a slow day than a model who just received 4k token.

Ehhhh... Bob is right. It's just a very sorry excuse for not tipping someone who is providing you with a service.

I don't often have to bail on countdown but the last few times I have, There was a large single tip that knocked out most of it fairly quickly. The reason why is because of your mentality. People saw me get a 1500 token tip towards a countdown of 2000 and just sat back, deciding to let others pay for their good time. 2 hours later I have to log off because I still haven't reached the goal. There is NO reason why a large tip should mean I make less than my goal, it should be the opposite but often times that is not the case and your mentality is the reason why. :handgestures-salute:

Actually this reminds me of one time I had a countdown running the night before my birthday, there was about 1950 to go and one of my regulars waited until 12 on the dot to drop me a 1875 birthday tip! I was really excited and happy for the birthday tip! Someone then dropped 75 tokens going "I think we should be in show!" The comment surprised me, as I knew that the tip wasn't for the countdown, but for my birthday. The member in question was actually just going to bed and had waited to drop that tip on the dot of my birthday, actually he was leaving mfcs so it was a goodbye tip on top of that.
The room started preparing themselves for their 75 token show. I was like "ummm guys, I'll take half off the countdown, but the tip wasn't for the countdown it was a birthday present, the member who tipped is going to bed, I'd like you all to contribute to the countdown" basically "dudes, it's my birthday not yours. He didn't tip to give you guys all a free show."
After that, the countdown was like 900 tokens, and it was my birthday, but it went so bloody slowly. I swear people just refused to tip because they got the idea into their heads someone else should pay for it all.
The reason actually I didn't put it to countdown besides that, was because everyone had been so slow at tipping, and as I said, I didn't really feel like giving a load of people willing to freeload/not tip me/let me struggle on-my-birthday a free show!
If I'd felt like I was with a bunch of awesome guys, I may have done that free cumshow!

Keep tipping regardless of whether there's a big tipper. Because essentially the big tippers will stop letting it go to countdown and will just buy skypes/vids etc or tip just because, and then you'll all have to complete the countdown with your 10 and 20 tokens with no help!

I swear nervous, this isn't the worst thing you've said, it's quite tame by your standards, but I swear you're trying to cover everything that camgirls are most sensitive about to get a reaction. Either that or you're just a bit of a knob/lack empathy.
We are all entitled to our opinions, but don't expect to be liked/respected or even listened to when you lack such tact.

You mean tact like how I pretty much agreed with the majority of your original post right here?
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10864&start=30#p258062

I'm not sure how my innocent comment has been so grossly taken out of context to the point of it being something to provoke the models. It's unfortunate that you ignored the majority of my post that agreed with you, VERY DIPLOMATICALLY, but then think that I'm out to get you just because of 1 paragraph. If I was really out to get you, I wouldn't even bother with agreeing with you in the first place.

My comment is more to do with the feeling of insignificance rather than freeloading. A model got a huge tip like 4000 tokens. Would she even notice my 20 tokens, or even feel insulted? That's one reason why I don't tip.

And, even if you don't finish your countdown, at least you got SOMETHING. Some of my favourite models would be considered lucky to see a 3-digit token tip, never mind a 4-digit one. And it's not a coincidence that so far, for the model that I tipped the most, it is because she has a very slow day despite being on for 8 hours.

Just because I don't tip if a model just got a huge tip, doesn't necessarily mean I am a freeloader. It just means that those 20 tokens will go to someone else. That 20 tokens has already been bought, and it will definitely go to some model, otherwise it will just be collecting dust. That's why the scenario bob imagined is exaggerated.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

It's not that I think that particular post was rude or even getting at someone. You were just stating your opinion and it's an interesting opinion, your opinion just happens to be a massive pet hate of all models! I was merely pointing out that although it's interesting to hear a different opinion, and that by far was not the best post you've made, you're definitely not going to make any friends from it either.
Found it kind of funny so thought it was worth pointing out.

 

[nervous101]

It's not that I think that particular post was rude or even getting at someone. You were just stating your opinion and it's an interesting opinion, your opinion just happens to be a massive pet hate of all models! I was merely pointing out that although it's interesting to hear a different opinion, and that by far was not the best post you've made, you're definitely not going to make any friends from it either.
Found it kind of funny so thought it was worth pointing out.

I'm really new to MFC and camgirls in general, so there's no way for me to know what is sensitive to camgirls right at the start. If I have indeed said something inappropriate, you can always point it politely and I'm more than happy to correct myself. If you look at my first few posts in this forum, I did indeed do something that models don't like like constantly speaking up for the model when she can speak for herself. Once a few models told me that can be rude, I've stopped doing it. I've only done it for models who are busy being sexy or english isn't their first language. So I'm pretty reasonable. But, really hard for me to listen when people are being hostile towards me.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

nd that by far was not the best post you've made,

Edit - and that by far was the best post you've made. sorry!