Why do people frown upon sex work?

[BobbyB]

I seriously have no girl friends where I've moved to and would totally consider renting a lady just to go shopping with and eat lunch in a fully platonic way. :geek:

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maybe this is a site for you: http://rentafriend.com/

 

[AmyLemon]

I was thinking about hiring an escort for a threesome. I've had one with a friend and shit was awkward as hell after. Hope no one would judge me for it.

Someday in my life, I plan to do this too. Just because I think it would be a very fun and carefree time. We have had threesomes with girls we knew, and none of them turned out bad (they were wonderful) but I think it would be a cool experience.

Do not do this thinking it will be any easier than with a random person picked up in bar or with someone you know. Just because money is involved does not mean there are any less emotional issues even from the person being paid. You would hope she is a professional and will keep it strictly business but sex workers are people too. Research and ask questions before you take that plunge. That goes for people you know as well. :twocents-02cents:

I've never hired a lady-of-the-night for a sexy experience but I would, with some confidence, assume that a paid sex worker would not:

:naughty: try to crash on the couch, resulting in awkward experience where I have to call a cab, pour a girl into it, and give the cabby $30 hoping it will get here wherever she needs to be
:naughty: feel bad when I don't text the next day
:naughty: ask to borrow my clothes/jewelry
:naughty: randomly do rails on my kitchen counters (I honestly don't judge, but I don't party that way and I prefer people not do it my house in case they die)(an addicted escort would likely have the sense to get high before she arrives)
:naughty: want to drunky-check her facebook on my computer, and interrupt sexy times with her cell phone blowing up every five minutes
:naughty: steal from my change jar

Assuming I don't pick up a $20 hooker I think more manners would be involved with a proper escort than a drunk chick I pick up at the bar lol, and later on if I'm out in public with my family and run into an escort she's probably not going to run up and make an awkward scene.

jussayin'

 

[Jupiter551]

I was thinking about hiring an escort for a threesome. I've had one with a friend and shit was awkward as hell after. Hope no one would judge me for it.

Someday in my life, I plan to do this too. Just because I think it would be a very fun and carefree time. We have had threesomes with girls we knew, and none of them turned out bad (they were wonderful) but I think it would be a cool experience.

Amber does threesomes?! My innocence is shattered! Was it anyone we knew? Does her name start with a C and end with an E???!

 

[Jupiter551]

Do not do this thinking it will be any easier than with a random person picked up in bar or with someone you know. Just because money is involved does not mean there are any less emotional issues even from the person being paid. You would hope she is a professional and will keep it strictly business but sex workers are people too. Research and ask questions before you take that plunge. That goes for people you know as well. :twocents-02cents:

I disagree - it's definitely easier. For one thing you're not likely choosing them for their personality, secondly it's business (for them and you) and thirdly you're quite likely never to see them again. Of course they're real people, but likely don't get into the habit of allowing themselves to get romantically entangled with one-time clients. Esp couples.

 

[JickyJuly]

I wasn't comparing factory work and prostitution as career choices in the way that they are similar job paths. I mean that the factory worker who chooses the job based on income possibilities and the sex worker who chooses a job based on income possibilities deserve the same amount of respect. As adults, they have a right to base their decisions on nothing but money and do jobs that they don't love if that is what they want to do.

To Isabella, maybe I did judge you for posting that you judge women in sex work. I find it ironic to hear women who make their living naked and face judgement for it trying to create some sort of sex work hierarchy in which they are morally superior. Just because we draw our personal comfort line in one spot and someone else draws it in another, doesn't give us the right to question their choices. Infantilizing, pitying and questioning the decisions of other grown women is straight up misogyny. For a camgirl to put out there that prostitutes may be the product of damage, financial desperation or inability to grasp what she's doing is naive. There are people who think the same thing about our line of work. Why choose to stand with them? They aren't going to want to stand with you.

For the record, I do know that there are lots of women who are forced or coerced into prostitution. BUT this thread started out referring to sex workers not sex slaves. My comments refer only to those people who have chosen to work in sex.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I wasn't comparing factory work and prostitution as career choices in the way that they are similar job paths. I mean that the factory worker who chooses the job based on income possibilities and the sex worker who chooses a job based on income possibilities deserve the same amount of respect. As adults, they have a right to base their decisions on nothing but money and do jobs that they don't love if that is what they want to do.

To Isabella, maybe I did judge you for posting that you judge women in sex work. I find it ironic to hear women who make their living naked and face judgement for it trying to create some sort of sex work hierarchy in which they are morally superior. Just because we draw our personal comfort line in one spot and someone else draws it in another, doesn't give us the right to question their choices. Infantilizing, pitying and questioning the decisions of other grown women is straight up misogyny. For a camgirl to put out there that prostitutes may be the product of damage, financial desperation or inability to grasp what she's doing is naive. There are people who think the same thing about our line of work. Why choose to stand with them? They aren't going to want to stand with you.

For the record, I do know that there are lots of women who are forced or coerced into prostitution. BUT this thread started out referring to sex workers not sex slaves. My comments refer only to those people who have chosen to work in sex.

I wasn't referring to sex slaves. I was talking about adult women who are NOT comfortable with the things they are doing, but still do it. Some get into prostitution to pay for drugs, for some it's a result of sexual abuse. Do I have a right to feel bad for them? Absolutely. It's a sad thing to hear about.

 

[LadyLuna]

Before I read the other posts, I'm going to give my thoughts on it.

Why do you think sex work is frowned upon?
Anyone who's made love knows that making love is a beautiful, sacred, incredible thing not to be taken likely.

Anyone who's made love but never just had sex for fun doesn't realize that these are two entirely different realms.

A long time ago, someone who made love got confused. They thought that all sex was this love-making thing they had experienced. They got offended by people taking it casually. If the people had indeed been taking love-making casually, they would've had every reason to be offended. But that's not what was going on.

Some men wanted to be sure that any children they were providing for were actually theirs. So they criminalized female sexuality, to prevent their woman from messing around. They decided to play on those people who were offended by all the people taking "love-making" casually, and thus the stigma was born.

Enter the Christians. They made it sinful. Some Christians decided to ignore the "everybody sins, so don't judge someone else by their sins" advice that Jesus gave, and started judging people for sins. Especially those puritans that started New England. New England was instrumental in creating this country, so a lot of the Puritan judgementalness carried over, but it got worse, cause at least the Puritans would try to help you see the light. Everyone took that and just went "you're a WHORE! get away from me!"

What was once seen as something beautiful and special became something dirty and shameful. THAT, to me, is offensive.

Now to read those posts, and quote below if I have anything to add.

Do you agree with prostitutes/escorts?

Not sure what you mean by this question, but I don't have a problem with them doing it, and wish it would be legal (though I would never do it).

Do you have any negative feelings towards any form of sex work? Of so, why?

Women who scam it, because they are lying and give the rest of us a bad rap. Anyone who forces others to do it, especially child brothels.

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About the looking down on the customers... that depends on the customer.

(please note- I am using the male pronouns because I was taught that when refering to one person who could be either gender, using the male is acceptable, and to me, writing s/he and his/her breaks the flow of reading. Thus, "he" could be a female who identifies as female, a male who identifies as female, a male who identifies as male, or a female who identifies as male, regardless of whether the person is attracted to women or men. We need a new pronoun for "random person of any gender/sexuality")

If he is shamefully hiding his participation and money spending from his significant other, then I think he is doing her a huge disservice and I don't want to be a part of that.

If he is acting as though he is better than the woman he is paying for, then he is misguided and hypocritical, and I don't want to be a part of that.

If he is seeking validation for a fetish that would actually harm other people, then I don't want to be a part of that.

on the flip side...

If he is in an open realtionship and his significant other is okay with him spending some of the money on it, then that's awesome!

If he has a fetish that would actually harm other people and is just looking to roleplay it with someone else, but would never actually do it, that's okay.

If he is single and is just looking for a bit of fun until he can get in a new relationship, that's awesome!

I do judge men who use prostitutes, one of the reasons is that they can actually fuck someone who doesn't want to sleep with them. If you weren't paying them, the act would be rape. It's like paying for someone to hang out with you. A lot of people have different feelings on this and think it's ok. I don't. Camming is different because we're doing our thing, we're not doing anything we don't want to do (most of us at least), if I had decided to go into prostitution I could have acted, but I wouldn't have been enjoying it. That someone can enjoy doing something to someone who see's it as a chore/finds no true enjoyment from it is reason enough for me to judge. What disgusts me is that there are enough men who don't care. The girl might as well be a very good sex doll. That is how I feel and don't tell me not to judge because you have an excuse or a reason for it. I know the reasoning. I can see it from their point of view, and I still see it as wrong.

You are assuming the prostitute doesn't want to have sex with their clients.

Just like how in camming, some girls don't really want to but circumstances have forced them, it is true of some prostitutes. BUT, many prostitutes in countries where it is legal do it because they enjoy it.

In any case, a prostitute has agreed to it. Therefore, it is not rape. Just like how, if a wife agrees to have sex with her husband, it's not rape, even if the wife wasn't all that into it at that point. And yes, it is possible to rape one's wife, or even to rape a prostitute, if she never agreed to sex but only a blow-job.

Penn & Teller had a pretty good episode of Bullshit that talked about this issue, as well.

Yes they do! They even interviewed a prostitute who, in all honesty, sounded a lot like the camgirls on this forum!

 

[Nordling]

I've been kind of agreeing and thanking almost everyone in this thread, because I don't think anyone's been blatantly wrong on this issue, even though there appears to be a lot of disagreement about the topic. I see a lot of truth in almost all the posts, even if I don't completely agree with the "surface" of what's being said.

It's a much more complex topic than would be thought at first glance. And it's darn hard not to generalize some of the points, and I think that may have been the biggest reason for a lot of the disagreements.

Sister Luna I think has pointed this out. She wins the thread! lol

 

[Jupiter551]

Sex workers, including both prostitutes and camgirls, have often impressed me as some of the most intelligent, giving, and best people I've known.

 

[UncleThursday]

UncleThursday, thank you for writing such a long winded response.

The whole thing with women going for alpha males etc is only partially true. That male friend you have, that women are going for, there will be a mixture of reasons.
One, physically unattractive men are unsuspecting, many women sometimes like getting with an egotistical yet physically unattractive man because we know we can and it makes us feel good about ourselves, plus we feel the guy won't hurt us because he seems so below us. That guy and all his friends will think he's an alpha, they could not be more wrong. Those guys are usually just good enough at manipulating women into wanting them. There's also the popularity thing, and wanting to fit in, so we go for people who everyone else will like, because we don't want to be ashamed of who we're with.

The attractive men who become shy, the reason for this is because a lot of women are afraid of being hurt, so they don't openly come onto them, and the guy doesn't pick up on the hints therefore loses confidence and ends up rarely getting laid. Instead the girl will get with his less good looking friend.

Focusing on the bold:

Because you know you can: Yes, you can. Easier than a lot of guys. As JickyJuly and I have both said, you can walk outside and yell that you want sex and guys will come out of nowhere to oblige. Men simply cannot do that. Any women around would automatically assume there is something wrong with him, in some way, and ignore his calling out that he is ready for sex. Have the most attractive male friend of yours yell out in the street he is wanting sex and count how many girls actually come up. Then you do it. I think you will be very surprised at the difference.

Because you feel he won't hurt you and feel is is below you: Interestingly enough, some (unscientific in some cases) studies show that Women tend to view 70%-80% of all men as below average attractiveness. Even men that other guys think are pretty average or even good looking fall below this point. Men, on the other hand, in those same studies, found most women fell into the average attractiveness range. But, that can also show how many men many women might find "beneath them" in the world.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your- ... ne-dating/ shows an unscientific study, but a fairly relevant one in the fact that it is from a fairly popular dating site where, you know, people try to meet other people.

The interesting thing about the OK Cupid poll, though, is in how many men are trying for the most attractive women... at least for initial contact. I'll get to that later. But 2/3 of the men message the top 1/3 of girls on the attractiveness scale used.

There was even a documentary I saw on human sexuality, but I can't remember the name right now. It was on the Science Channel or Discovery recently (a few months ago). They took two guys and showed their pictures to women on the street. One was considered by the group doing the study to be a 9/10, the other a 5/10. Most women they talked to agreed just on their looks in the pictures on the 9/10 guy, but rated the average guy as 3/10. Then they talked to other women and added in income levels... the 5/10 guy was said to make over $250k a year, the 9/10 guy was said to make $30k a year. With this additional information, women suddenly rated the 5/10 man as 8/10 or 9/10, and the 9/10 guy dropped to a 6/10. It was actually a very good documentary, and I wish I had a link for it to let people know about it. Info ranging from how a woman's voice changes during her menstrual cycle and how that affects men (men can hear it in a woman's voice when she is ovulating, and it makes her more attractive), to when a woman is more likely to cheat on a mate, to how women can instantly detect the scent of a close family member and find it disgusting (as in why incest is rare).

A lot of women are afraid of being hurt. So are a lot of men. You'd be surprised how many men are actually very insecure, especially when it comes to women and rejection. How many suicides are by males because of spurned love? A lot. They're also more successful in their suicides because men tend to use much more lethal methods (shooting themselves, knives, jumping off buildings) than women (overdoses). But, again, more on the being hurt aspect later.

I do judge men who use prostitutes, one of the reasons is that they can actually fuck someone who doesn't want to sleep with them. If you weren't paying them, the act would be rape.

I would agree for women forced into prostitution. But high paid escorts and such? I hardly think anyone is holding a gun to their heads. They know the boundaries they are willing to go to. Even Pixie's story showed she was in complete sexual control during her escort/prostitution days.

It's like paying for someone to hang out with you.

Um, like being a camgirl? Just saying...

I also think people don't fit into your categories. All my least attractive friends are in the happiest relationships, yet many men steer clear of me, they want to fuck me, but few want anything else, partially because they fear getting hurt. Looks are extremely important, but it's not necessarily because of being good looking. If your theory worked then I would be beating off men with a stick and my less attractive/quieter friends would be sad and lonely their entire lives.

I'm going to let you in on something that the man gods will probably strike me down for: Hot girls are not long term relationship material for most men. There are a variety of reasons for this, and this is from a Western society PoV, mainly:

1. Men automatically see hot girls as high maintenance. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant upon first glace, because it isn't something the men would know until getting to know them better. But the assumption is there, pretty much from the get go, that she will need expensive gifts, lots of compliments all the time, etc.

2. The amount of effort put forth by the guy to get the hot girl into the relationship can be destroyed very quickly. There are two main reasons for this:

A. Other men are constantly trying to pull her away from the guy she is with. And they make no secret that they feel the girl can do better than the schmuck she is with.

B. Women trade up, not down. Especially hot women, who have all the options in the world when it comes to men, especially in the western world. Men are very aware that as soon as someone comes along that is even the smidge bit beter than them, that the chance of the hot girl dropping them like an old hat is very high. Maybe he's slightly better looking. Maybe he makes more money. Obviously, not every hot girl will do this, but it happens more often than not.

For these reasons, the hot girls are harder to keep in a relationship.

3. The hot girl as eye candy is used to make other men jealous and attract other women. The former is easy to see, every guy envies the dude with the hot eye candy on his arm. But, it can also cause problems, such as fights, especially if the former boyfriend of the hot girl sees her with a new guy. The latter is because as other women see the guy with the hot girl, they begin to wonder what he has that got her to go out with him. The other women notice this, and actively watch for him to be alone so they can try to get in on whatever the hot girl sees.

4. The average or below average girls are a safer bet for long term relationships. Because the guy knows that the chance of another guy trying to steal her away is far slimmer, and she is less likely to be on the prowl to trade up. She'll be far happier in a stable relationship than always looking to trade up to something better. On a side note, you do sometimes see the opposite happen, hot girls with guys that make people go "WTF?!?!" But, I assume it is the same in those situations, they feel other women won't try to take the guy from them.

5. Men have fragile egos, and rejection from a hot girl crushes it (well, any girl, but especially hot girls). Whether this is the rejection of a breakup to the rejection of any initial advances. This is why many hot girls seem to wonder why only complete jackoffs try to hit on them. The jackoffs have built up defense mechanisms to try and deal with rejection, and portray it through overt sexuality and bravado in the hopes it will win over the hot girl. Most men try to avoid the rejection altogether by just assuming the hot girl would never give them the time of day.

6. Men feel they can lose a hot girl very quickly unless they have something she really wants. In most cases, men see this as having a lot of money. This isn't helped by the fact that men always see hot girls flocking around guys able to show off how much money they have, even men that would be considered unattractive by other men. Look at Kim Dotcom of Megaupload. Big, fat unattractive guy who became a multimillionaire and suddenly had pics of him with hot girls hanging all over him, as an example. Or look at the nightclub scene, where the guy in the VIP room is able to get tons of hot girls, even if he isn't attractive. It's sad to say that the majority of hot girls out there really show off the "hot girls are all superficial gold diggers" stereotype that many men have, and flock to money like moths to a flame.

So, yes, guys want to fuck you, because you're hot. But, they don't really want to try a relationship with you. They don't feel they can keep you, or fear the pain of losing you if they get to try. For a relationship, they'll take the less attractive girl, because it is more stable in their eyes. They still want to fuck the hot girls, but they'll be in a relationship with the less attractive girl for stability.

From another of your posts:

Also, it's not as hard for men to get sex as they think, and women aren't as in control as we think. Maybe if men decided to actually work at it, learn a bit about women/sex, spend their money on effort rather than on prostitutes they'd get a hell of a lot more sex!

Without you being a man, you really have no idea how hard it is for men to get sex, sometimes, truth be told. There are single men out there that can go years without intercourse, and not out of choice. I've done it. Hell, I'll admit I'm in a few years long dry spell right now. Yes, as in multiple years without so much as a blowjob, let alone full on intercourse. When was the last time you went years without sex, not out of choice? I'm being dead serious here.

I am not the world's most unattractive man. Though, if we believe the studies by evo psychologists and the OK Cupid unscientific study, to women I am below even average attractiveness. The only model posting in this thread who has seen me is PlayboyMegan, and I doubt she could even remember what I look like.

But, learning about women, as you say, is nearly impossible; because every woman is different. You hear women talk about "the signs" to look for when a woman is attracted to you. Lots of physical contact, leaning in close when she doesn't have to, etc. And you know what? It can all be absolute bullshit. In fact, to many women, it's a game to lead men on.

I even had to end a long friendship because the girl started doing "the signs" when we were out. Holding my arm and leaning into me. Being flirty. Etc. Then when I finally asked if she was into me and wanted to go further, she pulled the "Oh! No! I just didn't want to get hit on by guys while we're out!" card. I haven't spoken to her, since-- and I have known her for over 15 years. If she's going to be someplace, I won't go there. I don't need that shit in my life. I'm not here to be a girl's satellite just so she can keep guys away from her.

So, just like women say that men can never understand them; women can never understand what it's like to be a guy. Especially hot women. Hot women complain they can't get laid? It's because they're being too picky about who they want to sleep with. Period. Without any effort at all, a hot girl-- fuck it ANY girl-- can get laid. Average guys complain they can't get laid? It's because every single woman, no matter what her attractiveness may be, is far too picky. You see it all the time, too... even girls who fall well below what society considers attractive only go after the hot guys. Just like every guy goes after the hot girl. The average guy is, for some ungodly reason, just not good enough for most women to even take a second glance at.

But, like I said, the difference is, any girl can get laid if she really wants to. There's always some guy out there looking to get his dick wet. He may not be the first choice of the girl, but she can still get boned.

Guys don't have the option. JickyJuly understands that. Some other women understand it. But most women simply do not understand the very few options a man has when he is single and is trying to get laid. If the guy doesn't have massive game, he better be filthy fucking rich or the personification of Adonis in the flesh... Or he better hope a girl, any girl, has just decided she wants to be fucked and lowered her (often unreasonably high) standards long enough to get him in the sack.

And it's a wonder why prostitution is the oldest profession and still huge around the world? Hell, they've even taught primates about trading money for treats. And you know what they found? The the beta male monkeys (the ones who do not normally get to choose mates) in the pack will trade their money to females for sex, which the females then promptly use to get a treat after the sex is done.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/magaz ... d=all&_r=0

What he witnessed was probably the first observed exchange of money for sex in the history of monkeykind. (Further proof that the monkeys truly understood money: the monkey who was paid for sex immediately traded the token in for a grape.)

This is a sensitive subject. The capuchin lab at Yale has been built and maintained to make the monkeys as comfortable as possible, and especially to allow them to carry on in a natural state. The introduction of money was tricky enough; it wouldn't reflect well on anyone involved if the money turned the lab into a brothel. To this end, Chen has taken steps to ensure that future monkey sex at Yale occurs as nature intended it.

But these facts remain: When taught to use money, a group of capuchin monkeys responded quite rationally to simple incentives; responded irrationally to risky gambles; failed to save; stole when they could; used money for food and, on occasion, sex. In other words, they behaved a good bit like the creature that most of Chen's more traditional colleagues study: Homo sapiens.

So, truthfully, until the roles are reversed, and its the males who control when females get sex, I think it is wrong to say you judge the men who go to prostitutes, but not the prostitutes themselves.

 

[UncleThursday]

I don't judge prostitutes, good on them, but I do judge men who go to them.

Woah, woah, woah, hold the fucking phone, yo

This is a huuuuuuuge double standard.

The double standards go far beyond this, though, Bob.

Look at certain laws around the US and other Western countries.

Child support: Deadbeat dad laws, no deadbeat mom laws.

Child custody: About the only way for the father to get custody of children is if he can prove the mother is unfit... which is usually only because she is 1. a proven drug addict and thus a danger to her kids; 2. has a serious mental illness that puts her as a danger to her kids; 3. is already in jail for a crime.

A friend of mine has sole custody of his daughter. He only got that because the mother had turned into a heroin junkie and missed too many court dates. The mother hasn't paid a single cent in child support, but he can't get her thrown in jail for being a deadbeat mom... because no such law exists.

Of course, now he is paying child support for another kid. 10 years back child support, because the mother originally told him it wasn't his but the guy she left him for. When she changed her mind, he was able to get a judge to agree to a paternity test (because of how old the kid was when she finally said it was his), and it is his. So now he owes 10 years back child support because she lied, but no legal recourse can be done to her. But, if he fails to pay it, he will go to jail for being a deadbeat dad.

Domestic abuse laws: It doesn't matter if the woman fucking stabs you in front of witnesses and you hit her to make her stop. You're going to jail and have a record for domestic violence. It's happened, well more than once. Feel free to look it up.

But, even defending yourself can be considered domestic violence, simply because the man threw a punch.

Lots of double standards out there.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I don't judge prostitutes, good on them, but I do judge men who go to them.

Woah, woah, woah, hold the fucking phone, yo

This is a huuuuuuuge double standard.

The double standards go far beyond this, though, Bob.

Look at certain laws around the US and other Western countries.

Child support: Deadbeat dad laws, no deadbeat mom laws.

Child custody: About the only way for the father to get custody of children is if he can prove the mother is unfit... which is usually only because she is 1. a proven drug addict and thus a danger to her kids; 2. has a serious mental illness that puts her as a danger to her kids; 3. is already in jail for a crime.

A friend of mine has sole custody of his daughter. He only got that because the mother had turned into a heroin junkie and missed too many court dates. The mother hasn't paid a single cent in child support, but he can't get her thrown in jail for being a deadbeat mom... because no such law exists.

Of course, now he is paying child support for another kid. 10 years back child support, because the mother originally told him it wasn't his but the guy she left him for. When she changed her mind, he was able to get a judge to agree to a paternity test (because of how old the kid was when she finally said it was his), and it is his. So now he owes 10 years back child support because she lied, but no legal recourse can be done to her. But, if he fails to pay it, he will go to jail for being a deadbeat dad.

Domestic abuse laws: It doesn't matter if the woman fucking stabs you in front of witnesses and you hit her to make her stop. You're going to jail and have a record for domestic violence. It's happened, well more than once. Feel free to look it up.

But, even defending yourself can be considered domestic violence, simply because the man threw a punch.

Lots of double standards out there.

You'll never see a men only gym, but they have many women only gyms. But there are many double standards for both sexes. I personally love getting free drinks because I have tits.

 

[UncleThursday]

I don't judge prostitutes, good on them, but I do judge men who go to them.

Woah, woah, woah, hold the fucking phone, yo

This is a huuuuuuuge double standard.

The double standards go far beyond this, though, Bob.

Look at certain laws around the US and other Western countries.

Child support: Deadbeat dad laws, no deadbeat mom laws.

Child custody: About the only way for the father to get custody of children is if he can prove the mother is unfit... which is usually only because she is 1. a proven drug addict and thus a danger to her kids; 2. has a serious mental illness that puts her as a danger to her kids; 3. is already in jail for a crime.

A friend of mine has sole custody of his daughter. He only got that because the mother had turned into a heroin junkie and missed too many court dates. The mother hasn't paid a single cent in child support, but he can't get her thrown in jail for being a deadbeat mom... because no such law exists.

Of course, now he is paying child support for another kid. 10 years back child support, because the mother originally told him it wasn't his but the guy she left him for. When she changed her mind, he was able to get a judge to agree to a paternity test (because of how old the kid was when she finally said it was his), and it is his. So now he owes 10 years back child support because she lied, but no legal recourse can be done to her. But, if he fails to pay it, he will go to jail for being a deadbeat dad.

Domestic abuse laws: It doesn't matter if the woman fucking stabs you in front of witnesses and you hit her to make her stop. You're going to jail and have a record for domestic violence. It's happened, well more than once. Feel free to look it up.

But, even defending yourself can be considered domestic violence, simply because the man threw a punch.

Lots of double standards out there.

You'll never see a men only gym, but they have many women only gyms. But there are many double standards for both sexes. I personally love getting free drinks because I have tits.

I get free drinks for having a dick... at gay bars.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

B. Women trade up, not down. Especially hot women, who have all the options in the world when it comes to men, especially in the western world. Men are very aware that as soon as someone comes along that is even the smidge bit beter than them, that the chance of the hot girl dropping them like an old hat is very high. Maybe he's slightly better looking. Maybe he makes more money. Obviously, not every hot girl will do this, but it happens more often than not.

Don't judge them too much lol. Did you know that penis size is directly linked to how promiscuous the women are?
For example chimps have a lot bigger dicks than humans do because their female's sneak off to males from other groups and shag them, but with gorilla's they have a lot smaller dicks than human's do because their females stick with the one man.
So really, those girls who will run off to another man/sleep around, they're benefitting penis sizes for everyone! Lol try telling that to the next guy with a huge cock on cam "man, you're female ancestors must have been slutttts!".
The wonderful things you learn from David Attenborough!

 

[BobbyB]

Without you being a man, you really have no idea how hard it is for men to get sex, sometimes, truth be told. There are single men out there that can go years without intercourse, and not out of choice. I've done it. Hell, I'll admit I'm in a few years long dry spell right now. Yes, as in multiple years without so much as a blowjob, let alone full on intercourse. When was the last time you went years without sex, not out of choice? I'm being dead serious here.

There is a saying : if you are looking for love buy a dog - if you are looking for great sex go to Thailand...

I visit Thailand for about 10 years now , I don't see myself as relation material but in Thailand you will feel like Bratt Pitt and plenty of lovely women are happy to spent time with you ( of course they expect that you make a contribution to her living expenses ), in general I don't bother with spending time and money on western women, far more fun to go once a year on holiday and live the rest of the year in anticipation of the next trip.....



But if you have an issue spending money you have to accept what you get for free...

 

[BabyGirlRed]

My, oh, my! What a read! I don't go to the library anymore. I get my read on in this forum.

You all have some very interesting views on this topic. I really didn't want this to turn into a big argument, but... Internet. I understand.

I think that all sex workers and their "customers" are not in the wrong when they treat it like the job that it is. I don't see a problem with the men/women who go to sex workers because, well, I am a sex worker myself. I appreciate those who are willing to pay for my services. And to judge the people who go to sex workers and not the sex workers themselves, well, that's just silly. No customers= No work= No money= No point in having any job.

I understand that there are problems with the safety of most sex workers and that in many cases, women/men/children are being forced to do something they don't want to do. I guess I should have clarified. I was speaking of those who made the choice to be a sex worker-- The men and women who treat it like a serious job and don't make a mess of it all.

I'm sorry that my response to all this may not seem as intelligent by comparison, but I'm not as snazzy as you guys.

 

[sexyvee_x]

Why do you think sex work is frowned upon?

I think a lot of sex work is frowned upon because sex work is an undesirable occupation it is the ultimate objectification job. If sex workers could get a job at Mcdonalds earning £100-400 per hour with flexible working hours would most quit? In sex work the difference in power between the customer and provider of these services is enormous. So there is a feeling of coercion, even if the provider is just earning a living. In the past I’ve had old regulars openly admit they resent me for making them pay for my services because they feel they are buying my friendship. For example on MFC a model might be desperate for money to pay bills one month and hasn't had a prvt or a tip all day a member comes in and takes her in prvt but the only way he will stay if she fucks herself up the ass furiously (She hates anal) Does she try fuck herself up the ass for money to pay her rent or does she tell him to get lost? I think sex work is all good and well when it remains within the provider’s limits but sadly when competition is fierce sex workers sometimes end up doing things they would have never considered before to carry on paying the bills.

Do you have any negative feelings towards any form of sex work? If so, why?
Camming:
I started camming because I love masturbating and thought it would be cool to get paid to do it. What I didn’t realise is that a lot of guya would be asking/expecting me to do things I don’t like or enjoy on a regular basis such as hard anal (ouch) fucking myself furiously (I have a very shallow vaginal canal so this can seriously hurt me) I don’t enjoy being told how to touch myself this might sound conceited but I feel like members are lucky to get to see me naked and 100% really enjoying myself without degrading myself. I only masturbate and orgasm how I WANT TOO
Porn:
I love watching porn but where the woman is also getting pleasured too (Female friendly BDSM G/G ). I think a lot of porn now is just watching a woman getting banged in all holes and her screaming in supposed ecstasy. I can bet 90% of women do not want to get fucked like this (I’m not saying they want rose petals all the time) but in a lot of gonzo porn movies the guy might spend 30 seconds pleasuring the woman. Porn is made by men for men but it has become so mainstream that some young men are beginning to think that is how sex should be. Porn is a fantasy not reality.

Do you agree with prostitutes/escorts?
I am not a prostitute and I have never considered it . I do not have a problem with prostitution if the working girl is 100% okay with all the services she’s providing I don’t believe in doing things you aren’t comfortable with for money. I do not agree with men using prostitutes who are married and still sleeping with their wives. This is a very selfish thing to do as the man could pass stds on to his wife . I think prostitution should be regulated the industry is never going to disappear regulation would decrease trafficking and forced prostitution.

This is a really interesting research booklet of attitudes of men who buy sex in the U.K
http://i1.cmsfiles.com/eaves/2012/04/Me ... 89396b.pdf

You may find this forum interesting in regards to prositution
http://www.punternet.com/forum/

IMHO Sex work has both bad and good points :twocents-02cents:

 

[Nordling]

B. Women trade up, not down. Especially hot women, who have all the options in the world when it comes to men, especially in the western world. Men are very aware that as soon as someone comes along that is even the smidge bit beter than them, that the chance of the hot girl dropping them like an old hat is very high. Maybe he's slightly better looking. Maybe he makes more money. Obviously, not every hot girl will do this, but it happens more often than not.

Don't judge them too much lol. Did you know that penis size is directly linked to how promiscuous the women are?
For example chimps have a lot bigger dicks than humans do because their female's sneak off to males from other groups and shag them, but with gorilla's they have a lot smaller dicks than human's do because their females stick with the one man.
So really, those girls who will run off to another man/sleep around, they're benefitting penis sizes for everyone! Lol try telling that to the next guy with a huge cock on cam "man, you're female ancestors must have been slutttts!".
The wonderful things you learn from David Attenborough!

Partly true, I agree, but humans still have the largest penises--even larger than chimps and bonobos. Chimps and bonobos DO have larger testicles, however, which allows for reproductive competition INSIDE the female's vagina. lol

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/06/women-penis-size

 

[Just_mark__]

Coz men should have to work harder for nice things (sex, attractive women etc.) than buy merely earning money to pay for it