Model Scam

[surretler]

Hi @punker barbie

Yesterday, I arranged to participate in a pass show with a model; however, despite sending her 2,000 tokens before show and agreeing upon a 6-hour session, she blocked (banned) me from her account immediately after receiving the tokens. I have forwarded the records of this interaction to the CB Support team. I have retained all relevant records and screenshots; I would be very grateful if you could assist me with this matter.Thank you so much and sorry for bothering you.

surretler

 

[ts_cammer98]

ooo nooo better put @fraud_detector on the case!

 

[ts_cammer98]

2k for 6 hours?????? lmao

 

[surretler]

2k for 6 hours?????? lmao

its bad?

 

[ts_cammer98]

its bad?

yeah, not going to sugar coat it, but thats crap pay for a 6 hour session. I would have taken that as an insult if someone even thought to offer that to me. I wouldn't have asked for the tokens knowing I would ban you the entire time either. You have to understand this is the internet and a lot of interesting things take place here, I can't speak on the model's behalf but are you sure this was agreed before you sent the tokens? If this was all agreed on before you sent the tokens, you also have to understand models that accept much lower pay like that are most likely to do something like that too. password shows really hurt a model as far as rank ect, and what you offered is like less than 6tks/min. thats really really really low

 

[ts_cammer98]

If you don't value the model at their pvt price, move along. only shady ppl offer pw shows.

 

[surretler]

yeah, not going to sugar coat it, but thats crap pay for a 6 hour session. I would have taken that as an insult if someone even thought to offer that to me. I wouldn't have asked for the tokens knowing I would ban you the entire time either. You have to understand this is the internet and a lot of interesting things take place here, I can't speak on the model's behalf but are you sure this was agreed before you sent the tokens? If this was all agreed on before you sent the tokens, you also have to understand models that accept much lower pay like that are most likely to do something like that too. password shows really hurt a model as far as rank ect, and what you offered is like less than 6tks/min. thats really really really low

First of all, thank you for your message and for taking the time to respond.

Before sending any tokens, I clearly explained my offer and ensured that there were no misunderstandings. I asked the model on three separate occasions whether this offer was acceptable, and each time, the answer was "yes." Furthermore, I took screenshots of these conversations to serve as evidence.Therefore, from my perspective, the real issue is not the amount of tokens, but the fact that there was a clear and explicit agreement in place. If the offer was deemed too low, it could have been rejected right from the start, or the show could have simply not been initiated at all. Instead, the offer was accepted, and the session began.Given that the show had already started and while the model was still continuing her private broadcast she banned me after 20 - 30 minutes. Since an agreement had been reached and I had made a payment based on that agreement, this situation feels unjust to me.My only request is that this matter be understood and evaluated in a fair manner.

 

[ts_cammer98]

I don't think the model is obligated to do anything after receiving tokens. It's not anything I would have done, but I certainly don't feel bad. Do a pvt next time.

 

[yummybrownfox]

Being live in cam girl mode for 6 hours feels like an eternity, and to only get $100 (2,000 tokens is $100 in the model’s pocket) for such a long period of time…it’s really not the “big money” you seem to think it is.

Shit…you could watch that long-ass movie Titanic TWICE (almost…lol) in that amount of time.

But you’re right though…don’t agree to such terms if you don’t want to do it.

 

[AmberCutie]

holy hell I skimmed over this thread and thought that there was a $2k agreement for 6 hours and I was like wow that ain't bad.... but NOOOOOOmygod 2k tokens for a session that long is ridiculous.

its bad?

That's terrible. It's less than the minimum wage in most states of the US now (give or take a few cents) per hour.

And as @yummybrownfox said above being on cam for that amount of time is physically and mentally taxing.

You lowballed someone and found out the hard way that this isn't how things are supposed to work.

First of all, thank you for your message and for taking the time to respond.

Before sending any tokens, I clearly explained my offer and ensured that there were no misunderstandings. I asked the model on three separate occasions whether this offer was acceptable, and each time, the answer was "yes." Furthermore, I took screenshots of these conversations to serve as evidence.Therefore, from my perspective, the real issue is not the amount of tokens, but the fact that there was a clear and explicit agreement in place. If the offer was deemed too low, it could have been rejected right from the start, or the show could have simply not been initiated at all. Instead, the offer was accepted, and the session began.Given that the show had already started and while the model was still continuing her private broadcast she banned me after 20 - 30 minutes. Since an agreement had been reached and I had made a payment based on that agreement, this situation feels unjust to me.My only request is that this matter be understood and evaluated in a fair manner.

I see now you re worded the issue, and while it's possibly not a misunderstanding about expectations, I still hope that after you've gotten 20-30 minutes of her private time (which is still worth well over your 2k tokens) that you don't press for her to have those tokens revoked. She earned them in that time, even if there was some misgiving of promises on her part.

 

[fraud_detector]

ooo nooo better put @fraud_detector on the case!

Sorry, but I'm not on CB.

 

[surretler]

holy hell I skimmed over this thread and thought that there was a $2k agreement for 6 hours and I was like wow that ain't bad.... but NOOOOOOmygod 2k tokens for a session that long is ridiculous.

That's terrible. It's less than the minimum wage in most states of the US now (give or take a few cents) per hour.

And as @yummybrownfox said above being on cam for that amount of time is physically and mentally taxing.

You lowballed someone and found out the hard way that this isn't how things are supposed to work.


I see now you re worded the issue, and while it's possibly not a misunderstanding about expectations, I still hope that after you've gotten 20-30 minutes of her private time (which is still worth well over your 2k tokens) that you don't press for her to have those tokens revoked. She earned them in that time, even if there was some misgiving of promises on her part.

I understand your perspective, and as I mentioned earlier, I do not deny having used this service for a while before it was banned.

However, from my point of view, the real issue is this: She had every opportunity to reject my offer before the show began; she could have found the offer too low, requested a higher amount, or simply turned it down. I presented my offer clearly and explicitly, and she accepted it and not just once, either. I had the agreement confirmed a total of three separate times, and each time, her answer was "yes."

That is why what transpired does not strike me as a simple misunderstanding.

Instead, she accepted the tokens, started the show, and immediately banned me. This is the part that makes me feel I have been treated unfairly. The issue here is not about trying to reclaim something she "earned"; the fundamental problem is that, despite a mutually agreed-upon arrangement being accepted, that agreement was subsequently not fulfilled. If it were to be accepted that the model was in the right in this scenario, then any model could simply take users' tokens and ban them immediately after starting the show.

 

[fraud_detector]

I understand your perspective, and as I mentioned earlier, I do not deny having used this service for a while before it was banned.

However, from my point of view, the real issue is this: She had every opportunity to reject my offer before the show began; she could have found the offer too low, requested a higher amount, or simply turned it down. I presented my offer clearly and explicitly, and she accepted it and not just once, either. I had the agreement confirmed a total of three separate times, and each time, her answer was "yes."

That is why what transpired does not strike me as a simple misunderstanding.

Instead, she accepted the tokens, started the show, and immediately banned me. This is the part that makes me feel I have been treated unfairly. The issue here is not about trying to reclaim something she "earned"; the fundamental problem is that, despite a mutually agreed-upon arrangement being accepted, that agreement was subsequently not fulfilled. If it were to be accepted that the model was in the right in this scenario, then any model could simply take users' tokens and ban them immediately after starting the show.

Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, and she thought she’d be getting 2K per hour (which would still be very little)? I wonder why she would risk losing her account just to make such a small amount of money.

 

[surretler]

This is what I meant to convey; I certainly had no intention of showing any disrespect toward the models.

If she did not wish to perform this task for that specific amount, she had every right to decline, and I would have fully respected that decision. There would have been no issue whatsoever. However the fact that she accepted the terms, and that I even reconfirmed them several times to prevent any potential misunderstandings

Being live in cam girl mode for 6 hours feels like an eternity, and to only get $100 (2,000 tokens is $100 in the model’s pocket) for such a long period of time…it’s really not the “big money” you seem to think it is.

Shit…you could watch that long-ass movie Titanic TWICE (almost…lol) in that amount of time.

But you’re right though…don’t agree to such terms if you don’t want to do it.

is what makes this situation different.

Once something has been clearly agreed upon, and tokens have been transferred in accordance with that agreement, there should be at the very least a basic level of consistency and fairness.

That is why this feels wrong to me not because of the price itself, but because the agreement was not honored after it had been established.

 

[surretler]

Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, and she thought she’d be getting 2K per hour (which would still be very little)? I wonder why she would risk losing her account just to make such a small amount of money.

Therefore, I have screenshots from three different times as proof. This is because I asked three times to be sure, and I documented it.

 

[rockin_rod]

Instead, she accepted the tokens, started the show, and immediately banned me. This is the part that makes me feel I have been treated unfairly.

It feels like there's a key part missing from this narrative, like perhaps you asked for (or demanded?) something straight up that caused the ban.
I just can't imagine what it would be like having a 6-hour private show, but if you kicked off trying to go straight to something explicit without any buildup, that would've ended it for me.

 

[surretler]

It feels like there's a key part missing from this narrative, like perhaps you asked for (or demanded?) something straight up that caused the ban.
I just can't imagine what it would be like having a 6-hour private show, but if you kicked off trying to go straight to something explicit without any buildup, that would've ended it for me.

Exactly, and that’s why I made sure to take screenshots and confirm everything three times beforehand.So when the admin reviews the chat history, they should clearly understand what I mean. And if needed, I can also provide my screenshots as additional proof to show that there was a clear agreement before any tokens were sent.

That’s really the main point I’m trying to make everything was confirmed in advance, so this situation shouldn’t be seen as a misunderstanding.And to be completely clear, I’m confident in my position.If I’ve done anything wrong or violated any rules, they are free to review my account and even take action if necessary. I’m fully open to that.I’m only asking for a fair review of the situation based on the actual conversation and the agreement that was made beforehand.