Model Scam

[surretler]

Hi @punker barbie

Yesterday, I arranged to participate in a pass show with a model; however, despite sending her 2,000 tokens before show and agreeing upon a 6-hour session, she blocked (banned) me from her account immediately after receiving the tokens. I have forwarded the records of this interaction to the CB Support team. I have retained all relevant records and screenshots; I would be very grateful if you could assist me with this matter.Thank you so much and sorry for bothering you.

surretler

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Exploitation often looks like someone agreeing to something out of desperation. Why do you think workers in exploitative factories agree to work for garbage money and hazardous conditions- they aren’t being forced, they agree to the work. It doesn’t make it any less exploitation and I have no sympathy if someone gets paid and takes off early. Technically wage theft? Yes. But when a boss or company is exploiting its staff I don’t really care. This is a similar situation.

I’m not saying this was the case here, but it might be. It’s hard to have a lot of sympathy when someone offers something so low.

If you lowball models, you will continue to get ripped off. It increases the chances exponentially.

 

[Vixxen81]

Exploitation often looks like someone agreeing to something out of desperation. Why do you think workers in exploitative factories agree to work for garbage money and hazardous conditions- they aren’t being forced, they agree to the work. It doesn’t make it any less exploitation and I have no sympathy if someone gets paid and takes off early. Technically wage theft? Yes. But when a boss or company is exploiting its staff I don’t really care. This is a similar situation.

I’m not saying this was the case here, but it might be. It’s hard to have a lot of sympathy when someone offers something so low.

If you lowball models, you will continue to get ripped off. It increases the chances exponentially.

I did the math on my private show rate x 6 hours plus required additional tips for show items...it would be over 60,000 tokens. That's almost 6K to a viewer and $3K in my pocket, more if they used my affiliate link to sign up and tipped me.

 

[AmberCutie]

If you lowball models, you will continue to get ripped off. It increases the chances exponentially.

quoted, bolded, and enlarged to emphasize this point.

 

[smoker919]

@surretler, listen to what the models here are telling you: your behaviour and expectations are way out of line and none of them have any sympathy for your pseudo-legalistic view of transactions on the site. Pick up on the clues they're giving you:

• Proposing a password show to a model immediately makes you untrustworthy to them.
• The value a model sets for their time is best expressed by their private rate.
• Giving tokens to a model does not constitute an agreement despite any words that are exchanged.

Instead of being punitive towards this model -- who seemingly saw right through you and pulled an Uno reversi on you -- work on treating models fairly and as human beings.

 

[NotYou]

Just remember this is 5.56 tokens per minute for a show!
I agree with everyone, I am not a rich man but even to me that is very very low. That is even below the minimum of the 6 that CB allows, that is insane.

 

[NotYou]

Giving tokens to a model does not constitute an agreement despite any words that are exchanged.

Honestly I disagree on this. It's the same in anything with life where money is exchanged, if you both agree on something, it should be upheld.
The important part there is BOTH agree - then it should be

 

[misterical]

The part I struggle to understand is how, in the end, this somehow became my fault. I simply paid a fee but received no service in return—and, moreover, I provided evidence to prove this. The agreement was crystal clear and explicit, and it was a mutually accepted arrangement. So, let me ask you this: You work for these sites; if payday arrived and the site refused to pay you, what would your reaction be?

It became your fault as soon as you decided to be a cheap asshole. 2000 tokens for 6 hours. Apart from the overall cheapness of that, imagine the awkwardness as well. Instead of complaining here, give your head a wobble and just have a (adequately compensated for their time) wank.

 

[pbonACF]

Hi @punker barbie

Yesterday, I arranged to participate in a pass show with a model; however, despite sending her 2,000 tokens before show and agreeing upon a 6-hour session, she blocked (banned) me from her account immediately after receiving the tokens. I have forwarded the records of this interaction to the CB Support team. I have retained all relevant records and screenshots; I would be very grateful if you could assist me with this matter.Thank you so much and sorry for bothering you.

surretler

CB (actual people) will make their assessment based on your evidence and their own extensive recordings. It may not be soon, they've got 5-10 thousand models online at any moment, and plenty of complaints in the queue. Punker Barbie will wait to see what they decide before getting involved, other than to confirm they received your message.

Based on CB's declarations about conversations and tips being non-contractual I wouldn't wait to pay the bills. They may put a mark on the model's account in case they get multiple complaints, but you are likely to have to eat this one. ($160 to you, $100 to her, $60 to CB)

It's possible she works for a studio, the manager picked up the conversation, said "six hours??? no f'en way!", banned you and warned her. You never know.

And 6 hours really? Is she your partner in a remote pinochle tournament or what? Wow, I can't get my mind around this. Are 6-hour private sessions a thing? The batteries will be dead and deader. Cooking show? Sorry, I just can't get there. Live naked wallpaper?

 

[smoker919]

CB (actual people) will make their assessment based on your evidence and their own extensive recordings. It may not be soon, they've got 5-10 thousand models online at any moment, and plenty of complaints in the queue. Punker Barbie will wait to see what they decide before getting involved, other than to confirm they received your message.

Based on CB's declarations about conversations and tips being non-contractual I wouldn't wait to pay the bills. They may put a mark on the model's account in case they get multiple complaints, but you are likely to have to eat this one. ($160 to you, $100 to her, $60 to CB)

It's possible she works for a studio, the manager picked up the conversation, said "six hours??? no f'en way!", banned you and warned her. You never know.

And 6 hours really? Is she your partner in a remote pinochle tournament or what? Wow, I can't get my mind around this. Are 6-hour private sessions a thing? The batteries will be dead and deader. Cooking show? Sorry, I just can't get there. Live naked wallpaper?

Only $50 to her if she's in a studio. $25 if she has an operator. So that comes out to $4.17 an hour at the worst end of it. Seriously have some consideration of what you're actually offering to models @surretler

 

[NotYou]

I am curious where you (OP) came up with the idea of 6 Hours for that price? What made you think 6 hours was good, fair or reasonable for only 2,000 tokens?
Even when I was new to cam sites I never would have thought 2,000 was a fair offer for 6 hours.

It is on her for agreeing to it though, so you're not at full fault here. No model should accept an offer they are not going to do, especially one like that where they know how insanely ridiculous it is.

At what point did she actually ban you? You sent the tokens then she banned? Or did you enter the show with her, you said some words then she banned you? If the latter, what were those magical words you said which made her ban you?

 

[misterical]

It's rare that I find a story on here where all of the main protaganists are wankers. Usually it's just the user.

Offering 2000 tokens for 6 hours - wanker
Taking 2000 tokens and then banning - probably a bit of a wanker too
Coming here and giving yourself a red face by even admitting that you offered 2000 for 6 hours - bonus wanker points.

 

[smoker919]

I'd still be interested for OP to post the chat transcript, hiding the name of the model, of course. My guess is that it will not support his claims and instead show that the model was very smart to take his tokens and kick him.

 

[Vixxen81]

I'd still be interested for OP to post the chat transcript, hiding the name of the model, of course. My guess is that it will not support his claims and instead show that the model was very smart to take his tokens and kick him.

That's my educated guess as well. We'll probably never hear from them again.

As I laugh at getting a response today from support on a ticket I sub'd four months ago.

 

[smoker919]

Someone recently sent me a request to investigate the apps of one developer because he suspected that they were malicious by way of having backdoors that the author was using to send private, harassing messages to models. I asked him to put me in contact with models whom this had happened to and/or send me screenshots clearly showing that the harassing messages came from the apps he named. Instead he sent me a Telegram post from 3 years ago that mentions multiple app developers and has a couple of screenshots attached that do not point to any specific app.

In short, what some people consider conclusive evidence falls far short of that, and I suspect OP is in that category.

 

[Smoothie]

Given that the show had already started and while the model was still continuing her private broadcast she banned me after 20 - 30 minutes.

So you got to enjoy a 20-30 minute private show before she banned you? That doesn’t qualify as an “immediate” ban.

Many of us would consider 20-30 minutes to be plenty of time for a full, start-to-finish show. Sounds like you received something from the model (hard to say what, because you’re withholding some pivotal details). So at minimum, you’re exaggerating on the “immediate ban” bit. You took her away from her public show for about a half hour. That alone costs money.

Maybe the model had already been exerting herself for the entire 20-30 minutes, and when she realized keeping it up for another 5.5 hours would be impossible, she banned you. As mentioned here already, models can’t be forced to do anything, regardless of how much time or how many tokens were agreed upon prior. If she suddenly didn’t feel up to it… that’s it.

And at that low level of pay, let me also speculate that there might’ve been a language barrier with this model as well. Maybe they simply didn’t understand, at first, that you wanted this show to last all damn day. It’s a valid answer to your question of why she’d agree to it in the first place. She may have said yes a million times without fully understanding how wild your request was.

 

[NotYou]

oh wow I completely didn't even see that it was 20-30 mins in that she banned him, that changes things for sure.
Who knows what she was already doing or what he was wanting/expecting so yeah, I would say 2k tokens is most likely sufficient for this.

 

[AudriTwo]

Why in the hell would you want to watch a 6 hour private? Were you planning on jerking off to point where your junk becomes mashed potatoes?

Or is this a weird control thing?

 

[NotYou]

I just had to double check to make sure the OP made his post before April 1st.. unfortunately he did
Even if he was talking for those 6 hours, I have always been told by models an hour or more is always worse for talking than 20 - 30 mins of naked playing/teasing etc.
Which I can fully understand, trying to feign interest in the weird conversations and topics the person wants to talk about for over 1 hour (and upto 6 hours!!) is way too much and more exhausting. I can understand because i get exhausted from people after 20 mins in real life

 

[Ich Bin]

oh wow I completely didn't even see that it was 20-30 mins in that she banned him, that changes things for sure.
Who knows what she was already doing or what he was wanting/expecting so yeah, I would say 2k tokens is most likely sufficient for this.

When he wr

 

[Ich Bin]

When he wr

When he wrote that he was banned "immediately" after sending tokens, it sounded like it was within seconds.

 

[Maxi]

I just had to double check to make sure the OP made his post before April 1st.. unfortunately he did
Even if he was talking for those 6 hours, I have always been told by models an hour or more is always worse for talking than 20 - 30 mins of naked playing/teasing etc.
Which I can fully understand, trying to feign interest in the weird conversations and topics the person wants to talk about for over 1 hour (and upto 6 hours!!) is way too much and more exhausting. I can understand because i get exhausted from people after 20 mins in real life

I have a recurring nightmare about being locked in an elevator/lift with anyone for an hour, let alone six!

 

[Smoothie]

I have a recurring nightmare about being locked in an elevator/lift with anyone for an hour, let alone six!

A little off topic, but I’ve been stuck in a broken elevator with other people before, between floors. It lasted 2 hours. It was awful. We had to be freed by the fire department.

From that point on, I always take the stairs, and I will keep doing that for as long as my knees will allow it.

Back on topic - if she really had banned this member immediately after getting paid, that would track with an attempt to rip someone off. But OP mentioned without provocation that the show was already 20-30 minutes deep, and yeah… that’s a full-length show for most of us. Hard to sympathize with OP.

If her intent was to defraud OP, why perform at all? Let alone for 20-30 minutes? This smells like the model figured out (maybe a little too late) that this member’s expectations weren’t reasonable and potentially not even possible (again, we don’t know what activities were being asked for).

 

[Vixxen81]

I can only handle an hour and a half maximum with at least three breaks before I'm mentally wishing my internet dies.

 

[AudriTwo]

If the model worked with a studio from another country its possible the admin/monitor/coach realized their model who barely understands english agreed to a 6 hour show so banned OP for exploitation.

Like i dont see a studio model following through with this long of a show too.

 

[Vixxen81]

If the model worked with a studio from another country its possible the admin/monitor/coach realized their model who barely understands english agreed to a 6 hour show so banned OP for exploitation.

Like i dont see a studio model following through with this long of a show too.

I'm honestly surprised studios would let models do privates or password shows at all -- it kills page rank like woah and it's really, really difficult to get a good room count after.