Am I Simply Being Gullible?

[LivingInMyth]

Sorry but I do not understand this phenomenon of wanting to meet a cam model. Really, I do not understand this need at all.Personally, I do not understand why some customers want to get emotionally close to cam models? I mean it is so much easier to keep everything to the fantasy realm. However, it seems like each year more and more customers are trying to meet cam models. Anyways, I hope that you know what you are doing and what you are getting into.Good luck.

I have been online with cam models fo years with no desire to pursue a relationship outside of the fantasy realm. This particular cam model touched my head and heart and I fell in love with her in spite of our differences in age, geography, and professions. All of us come into relationships with baggage, and we learn to overlook that which might make for a rocky road ahead. We are braced for difficulties and are sure that our love will endure.

 

[Ambers Troll]

Sorry but I do not understand this phenomenon of wanting to meet a cam model. Really, I do not understand this need at all.Personally, I do not understand why some customers want to get emotionally close to cam models? I mean it is so much easier to keep everything to the fantasy realm.

Keep in mind these days people get way to attached to even completely artificial things, such as games. I would agree with you that keeping it all to fantasy is so much easier.
If you play intimacy based games you must be aware of the risk, and that you can get emotionally hurt. I enjoy that risk and it is why I like to go there, but you must know where your boundaries are.

Sex workers will usually ride whichever fantasy their customer asks for; and not all are professional with their customers. This was the basis of the OP's questions.
I see carrying the fantasy to the real world as a very risky step. It takes time to get beyond any fantasy to develop any kind of real thing. Spend enough time with someone and it can happen, but you need to be aware that you may well have switched fantasy, not moved to something real.

Recently I was upset with a model that I had known for 8 years. I was her first cam customer, and over the years have come to know much about her. She has a minimum of 1000 tokens for true private time. She had a slow night, so I offered my tokens (around 1800) and we both came up with an idea to spend them on some private time. She asked for the minimum, and I said I would rather not, since I wanted the extra time with her. I was offended that she wouldn't drop the minimum in this case. I chose to opt out of this time and to spend on her in her room as usual.
I took it as a lack of consideration that I didn't want to rush my time with her. That her minimum stood in the way of that time was disappointing.
I had called on the friendship for something extra, but I will always lead her to believe that I felt invested/ entitled to ask based on time spent with her.
Nothing has changed, I can still enjoy this model as always. I had accidentally tested the friendship by asking, not something you should ever do. I was surprised by how limited it really was. It is easy to assume a stronger connection than there really is, especially for members/ customers.

 

[LivingInMyth]

Keep in mind these days people get way to attached to even completely artificial things, such as games. I would agree with you that keeping it all to fantasy is so much easier.
If you play intimacy based games you must be aware of the risk, and that you can get emotionally hurt. I enjoy that risk and it is why I like to go there, but you must know where your boundaries are.

Sex workers will usually ride whichever fantasy their customer asks for; and not all are professional with their customers. This was the basis of the OP's questions.
I see carrying the fantasy to the real world as a very risky step. It takes time to get beyond any fantasy to develop any kind of real thing. Spend enough time with someone and it can happen, but you need to be aware that you may well have switched fantasy, not moved to something real.

Recently I was upset with a model that I had known for 8 years. I was her first cam customer, and over the years have come to know much about her. She has a minimum of 1000 tokens for true private time. She had a slow night, so I offered my tokens (around 1800) and we both came up with an idea to spend them on some private time. She asked for the minimum, and I said I would rather not, since I wanted the extra time with her. I was offended that she wouldn't drop the minimum in this case. I chose to opt out of this time and to spend on her in her room as usual.
I took it as a lack of consideration that I didn't want to rush my time with her. That her minimum stood in the way of that time was disappointing.
I had called on the friendship for something extra, but I will always lead her to believe that I felt invested/ entitled to ask based on time spent with her.
Nothing has changed, I can still enjoy this model as always. I had accidentally tested the friendship by asking, not something you should ever do. I was surprised by how limited it really was. It is easy to assume a stronger connection than there really is, especially for members/ customers.

I appreciate the note and acknowledge that there's a huge risk of getting hurt. But that is true with any relationship and I need to see this to the end - whatever the outcome. Or I will spend my life wondering if this was real. And I do care for her and that caring cannot simply be turned off because I feel at risk.

 

[snowwolf87]

Keep in mind these days people get way to attached to even completely artificial things, such as games. I would agree with you that keeping it all to fantasy is so much easier.
If you play intimacy based games you must be aware of the risk, and that you can get emotionally hurt. I enjoy that risk and it is why I like to go there, but you must know where your boundaries are.

Sex workers will usually ride whichever fantasy their customer asks for; and not all are professional with their customers. This was the basis of the OP's questions.
I see carrying the fantasy to the real world as a very risky step. It takes time to get beyond any fantasy to develop any kind of real thing. Spend enough time with someone and it can happen, but you need to be aware that you may well have switched fantasy, not moved to something real.

It seems to me that the camming world sort of encourages this blurring of the fantasy/real life line. Models do all kinds of things that, in real life, indicate a romantic interest in the person - giving a phone number, exchanging texts and emails, sending pics and videos - that are, in the cam world, really just products bought. Other businesses don't do these kind of things, so it's easy for the unaware to mistake business for romance

 

[LivingInMyth]

It seems to me that the camming world sort of encourages this blurring of the fantasy/real life line. Models do all kinds of things that, in real life, indicate a romantic interest in the person - giving a phone number, exchanging texts and emails, sending pics and videos - that are, in the cam world, really just products bought. Other businesses don't do these kind of things, so it's easy for the unaware to mistake business for romance

Thanks for the note. That is really the driving force behind my initial post - the uncertainly of knowing whether she is simply allowing me to construe fantasy as real (although she assures me this is real).

 

[DonaDiabla]

Let me talk about your statements, Snowwolf87. First of all, most of the sex industry is like that. Frankly, it is quite disturbing for you to compare the sex industry to other industries. It is not! Secondly, I do not see how the unaware to mistake getting products from cam models for romance? Webcam models are just jack off material for most of their customers. Maybe you are talking about the unhinged and those who think with a more "stalkerish" mind. Thirdly, no one is encouraging the blurring of fantasy or real life. Frankly, selling your phone number or kik memberships is about making profit. Sure, some models who are lonely and hard up for a man's attention might blur the lines. However, most true hustlers in this industry do not blur these lines and keep everything to a fantasy level. I include myself in the "true hustler" category. Always remember this is about business above everything else.

It seems to me that the camming world sort of encourages this blurring of the fantasy/real life line. Models do all kinds of things that, in real life, indicate a romantic interest in the person - giving a phone number, exchanging texts and emails, sending pics and videos - that are, in the cam world, really just products bought. Other businesses don't do these kind of things, so it's easy for the unaware to mistake business for romance

 

[DonaDiabla]

Sorry but it is your fault that you believe that the fantasy was real. Now, I will talk about from a hustler point of view....your cam model"friend" is playing you for more money. However, her hustle seems very dangerous for both of you guys. She does not know your intentions towards her. Nor do you know her intentions towards you. If you ask me; she is playing too close to the cuff with this game.Frankly, she is going beyond standard sex worker hustling because she wants more money. However, inviting you to meet her is very dangerous for both of you. Seriously, you need to stop and think. However, you should know that your thread has help me. This thread has made me realized that if any customers get too attached to me. I need to block them right way instead of waiting for a few weeks or months. Also this thread taught me to play it by ear.

Thanks for the note. That is really the driving force behind my initial post - the uncertainly of knowing whether she is simply allowing me to construe fantasy as real (although she assures me this is real).

 

[LivingInMyth]

Sorry but it is your fault that you believe that the fantasy was real. Now, I will talk about from a hustler point of view....your cam model"friend" is playing you for more money. However, her hustle seems very dangerous for both of you guys. She does not know your intentions towards her. Nor do you know her intentions towards you. If you ask me; she is playing too close to the cuff with this game.Frankly, she is going beyond standard sex worker hustling because she wants more money. However, inviting you to meet her is very dangerous for both of you. Seriously, you need to stop and think. However, you should know that your thread has help me. This thread has made me realized that if any customers get too attached to me. I need to block them right way instead of waiting for a few weeks or months. Also this thread taught me to play it by ear.

I am assigning blame her. I love this woman. And I hope she isn't scamming me. But she deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. She had to have her wisdom teeth removed yesterday. Face was swollen like a balloon. Studio didn't care made her come to work. Clients didn't care so they made her perform her shows. So I spent 4 hours with her last night and 4 hours tonight (all I could afford). So that she could rest. Didn't ask her to do anything. And hopefully she appreciates that. And if that makes me gullible and stupid, oh well. But she deserves to be treated with kindness and respect. Romanian studios are different I think then working in America. They threaten their workers and could care less about them. I am just protecting her. Maybe she is working me. I don't think so. But I don't care. For every period she has to work through, every sleepless night she has to work through. I try to give her rest. You can't fake oral surgery or a period. I am sorry. It might be different for cam models working on their own but this is tough. And there are no advocates for the workers. So I am just doing what is right. I am not a saint nor a sinner. Just a regular guy, in love with someone. And I don't want to see her sorry. So I will always place her first.

 

[DonaDiabla]

LivingInMyth, I wanted to address your post. You see, I see this differently because the sex industry is just one of my many careers. I never became friends with any of my clients. Nor, I never dated them because they are just clients to me. Nothing more nor less because I treat this as a business. So, I can not relate to falling for any of my customers because I am a businesswoman above everything else. In addition, I have a large clientele which stretch from phone sex to virtual escorting and it would be awkward to date any of them. Plus, I am also a sugar baby and I behave the same way with my sugar daddies as well. So, I am fantasy entertainer who is strictly about business and profit. Sure, I want my customers to have a great time but they all know that I am not really their girlfriend.

I have been online with cam models fo years with no desire to pursue a relationship outside of the fantasy realm. This particular cam model touched my head and heart and I fell in love with her in spite of our differences in age, geography, and professions. All of us come into relationships with baggage, and we learn to overlook that which might make for a rocky road ahead. We are braced for difficulties and are sure that our love will endure.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Look, I am sorry that your friend is getting a bad deal at her studio. However, it is very strange for you to get so caught up in this fantasy to point that you believe that you love her. Maybe it is because you see how she gets treated? Maybe it is because you are the only customer who cares for her well-being? Also, what do you expect from both the clients nor that studio? They do not have to care because their bottom line is her performance. Frankly, many studios including those in America are run by people who care very little for the cam models. So, her studio forcing her seem in line with that train of thought. Also, many customers come there to jack off only. They care very little if she is in pain. They just wanted to jack off to your friend. Sorry for saying that but you needed to hear that because it is the truth. I am saying is that you both need to think before jumping into a relationship. I mean things maybe be darker than you think? Just you need to be safe.

I am assigning blame her. I love this woman. And I hope she isn't scamming me. But she deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. She had to have her wisdom teeth removed yesterday. Face was swollen like a balloon. Studio didn't care made her come to work. Clients didn't care so they made her perform her shows. So I spent 4 hours with her last night and 4 hours tonight (all I could afford). So that she could rest. Didn't ask her to do anything. And hopefully she appreciates that. And if that makes me gullible and stupid, oh well. But she deserves to be treated with kindness and respect. Romanian studios are different I think then working in America. They threaten their workers and could care less about them. I am just protecting her. Maybe she is working me. I don't think so. But I don't care. For every period she has to work through, every sleepless night she has to work through. I try to give her rest. You can't fake oral surgery or a period. I am sorry. It might be different for cam models working on their own but this is tough. And there are no advocates for the workers. So I am just doing what is right. I am not a saint nor a sinner. Just a regular guy, in love with someone. And I don't want to see her sorry. So I will always place her first.

 

[LivingInMyth]

I am assigning blame her. I love this woman. And I hope she isn't scamming me. But she deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. She had to have her wisdom teeth removed yesterday. Face was swollen like a balloon. Studio didn't care made her come to work. Clients didn't care so they made her perform her shows. So I spent 4 hours with her last night and 4 hours tonight (all I could afford). So that she could rest. Didn't ask her to do anything. And hopefully she appreciates that. And if that makes me gullible and stupid, oh well. But she deserves to be treated with kindness and respect. Romanian studios are different I think then working in America. They threaten their workers and could care less about them. I am just protecting her. Maybe she is working me. I don't think so. But I don't care. For every period she has to work through, every sleepless night she has to work through. I try to give her rest. You can't fake oral surgery or a period. I am sorry. It might be different for cam models working on their own but this is tough. And there are no advocates for the workers. So I am just doing what is right. I am not a saint nor a sinner. Just a regular guy, in love with someone. And I don't want to see her sorry. So I will always place her first.

Sorry. I am not assigning blame here.

 

[snowwolf87]

Let me talk about your statements, Snowwolf87. First of all, most of the sex industry is like that. Frankly, it is quite disturbing for you to compare the sex industry to other industries. It is not! Secondly, I do not see how the unaware to mistake getting products from cam models for romance? Webcam models are just jack off material for most of their customers. Maybe you are talking about the unhinged and those who think with a more "stalkerish" mind. Thirdly, no one is encouraging the blurring of fantasy or real life. Frankly, selling your phone number or kik memberships is about making profit. Sure, some models who are lonely and hard up for a man's attention might blur the lines. However, most true hustlers in this industry do not blur these lines and keep everything to a fantasy level. I include myself in the "true hustler" category. Always remember this is about business above everything else.

I didn't express myself well, there.

I understand it's all about business. I agree that selling a phone number or kik membership is just business. I also agree that nearly all models are not intentionally blurring the line between fantasy and real life. I'm saying it's the nature of the system that is the cause of this blurring. The fact that it is fantasy is never explicitly stated - for good reason - that would spoil the fantasy. Most guys know this, but there are a few people who don't read societal clues well. They are not necessarily unhinged, just unaware. In the real world, a woman giving a man her phone number is seen as a romantic opening. The guy who misreads the action doesn't see it as a business action and heads down the romantic path - almost always with unhappy results.

Another place where the fantasy/real life line is blurred is in the chat dynamics. Lots of discussion about real life stuff - music, movies, sports, food, what you did over the weekend, etc - that isn't fantasy. But the interest the model expresses in the discussion may be part of the fantasy or maybe not. The shifts are sometimes subtle and, for the unaware, are hard to read or completely missed. Once again, it's not the model's fault, it's just part of the system. It's up to the customer to read these shifts and, for some cam customers, one reason that they are there is because they aren't very good at reading those clues. He makes the mistake of seeing her "interest" in his discussion as interest in him.

It's important for guys to realize that most of the camming world is about fantasy, but, since it's never stated outright and the boundaries between fantasy and real life aren't always clear, that point gets missed sometimes.

 

[LivingInMyth]

I didn't express myself well, there.

I understand it's all about business. I agree that selling a phone number or kik membership is just business. I also agree that nearly all models are not intentionally blurring the line between fantasy and real life. I'm saying it's the nature of the system that is the cause of this blurring. The fact that it is fantasy is never explicitly stated - for good reason - that would spoil the fantasy. Most guys know this, but there are a few people who don't read societal clues well. They are not necessarily unhinged, just unaware. In the real world, a woman giving a man her phone number is seen as a romantic opening. The guy who misreads the action doesn't see it as a business action and heads down the romantic path - almost always with unhappy results.

Another place where the fantasy/real life line is blurred is in the chat dynamics. Lots of discussion about real life stuff - music, movies, sports, food, what you did over the weekend, etc - that isn't fantasy. But the interest the model expresses in the discussion may be part of the fantasy or maybe not. The shifts are sometimes subtle and, for the unaware, are hard to read or completely missed. Once again, it's not the model's fault, it's just part of the system. It's up to the customer to read these shifts and, for some cam customers, one reason that they are there is because they aren't very good at reading those clues. He makes the mistake of seeing her "interest" in his discussion as interest in him.

It's important for guys to realize that most of the camming world is about fantasy, but, since it's never stated outright and the boundaries between fantasy and real life aren't always clear, that point gets missed sometimes.[/QUOTE Agreed that the fantasy/real life line can get blurred in the chat dynamic. Once the model and memberstart

I didn't express myself well, there.

I understand it's all about business. I agree that selling a phone number or kik membership is just business. I also agree that nearly all models are not intentionally blurring the line between fantasy and real life. I'm saying it's the nature of the system that is the cause of this blurring. The fact that it is fantasy is never explicitly stated - for good reason - that would spoil the fantasy. Most guys know this, but there are a few people who don't read societal clues well. They are not necessarily unhinged, just unaware. In the real world, a woman giving a man her phone number is seen as a romantic opening. The guy who misreads the action doesn't see it as a business action and heads down the romantic path - almost always with unhappy results.

Another place where the fantasy/real life line is blurred is in the chat dynamics. Lots of discussion about real life stuff - music, movies, sports, food, what you did over the weekend, etc - that isn't fantasy. But the interest the model expresses in the discussion may be part of the fantasy or maybe not. The shifts are sometimes subtle and, for the unaware, are hard to read or completely missed. Once again, it's not the model's fault, it's just part of the system. It's up to the customer to read these shifts and, for some cam customers, one reason that they are there is because they aren't very good at reading those clues. He makes the mistake of seeing her "interest" in his discussion as interest in him.

It's important for guys to realize that most of the camming world is about fantasy, but, since it's never stated outright and the boundaries between fantasy and real life aren't always clear, that point gets missed sometimes.

Agreed that the fantasy/real life line can be blurred in the chat dynamic. Once conversations move towards future plans and a life together, however, I believe that it is the hosts responsibility to make sure that the guest know whether the plans were spoken as part of fantasy or reality.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Frankly, I believe that customers should not be sucked into some sort of emotional attachment with sex workers either. In addition, you are the only one to blame for your emotional attachments this Romanian cam model. You should have just mastubrated to her and keep her as your favorite. However, you need to "protect" her and get too involved with her life..You needed some sort of emotional outlet and choose this woman because you wanted to save someone. She feeds into your romantic fantasies to hustle more out of you. I must admit that her hustle is pretty dangerous to many men's psyches. She went straight for the heart and used various real life problems to do it. Usually,I go for the man's mind and ego. However, this chick went in for your heart like the old "Heart of Palm" hustle. Actually, I find her hustle to be a bit extreme for my taste but each girl hustles differently.

Agreed that the fantasy/real life line can be blurred in the chat dynamic. Once conversations move towards future plans and a life together, however, I believe that it is the hosts responsibility to make sure that the guest know whether the plans were spoken as part of fantasy or reality.

 

[LivingInMyth]

Frankly, I believe that customers should not be sucked into some sort of emotional attachment with sex workers either. In addition, you are the only one to blame for your emotional attachments this Romanian cam model. You should have just mastubrated to her and keep her as your favorite. However, you need to "protect" her and get too involved with her life..You needed some sort of emotional outlet and choose this woman because you wanted to save someone. She feeds into your romantic fantasies to hustle more out of you. I must admit that her hustle is pretty dangerous to many men's psyches. She went straight for the heart and used various real life problems to do it. Usually,I go for the man's mind and ego. However, this chick went in for your heart like the old "Heart of Palm" hustle. Actually, I find her hustle to be a bit extreme for my taste but each girl hustles differently.

You are making a lot of assumptions here. And while all of this is possible the jury is still out and I will know soon enough and post the results of my upcoming trip.

 

[YelloMit]

Wait, you spent over $75k on her over 14 months and she gave you nothing in return? I've heard of generosity, but you were scammed hard, dude. It is models like that that give cam-models bad names when they don't deserve it. For everyone 100 great cam-models, there's 1 that tries to fuck people over and it isn't right.

I've had a few models message me over the years, trying to feed me sob stories just so they scam people out of their hard-earned money. I swear, it is Romanian models all the time as well.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of great Romanian models, but whenever I hear about stories like this, it is ALWAYS a Romanian model.

DO NOT GO TO HER. It'll just end up worse for you, and you'll end up with even less money.

 

[LivingInMyth]

Thanks to all of you who've written. Your posts were heartfelt and thought provoking. I will certainly post again after Christmas to let all know about my trip. Yes, I am going to Romania. And I truly believe that she will be there to greet me. For there are so many reasons why I trust her, that have not been presented here. And love is a gamble. And I am not sorry I took the risk. For I will love her, no matter the final outcome. And will wish her well for I believe in her intentions. For love is not a choice. Love chose her for me. And I don't mind if all consider me gullible. For it's simply I've learned to trust. And with trust comes risk and vulnerability. And I am prepared to take that risk. For someone 6000 away. Who I have never met. I am not a white knight looking for a damsel. What I found was conversation. Someone who shared a worldview with me. Who taught me to love poetry, and taught me how to love. She never disrobed in front of me. For her conversation was enough. She never asked me for my pity. But I cared for her from day 1. And I saw the look of gratitude every time I came online. And we talked for hours about life (and music) and she has touched my soul. Yes, like everyone I have moments of doubt about the person that I love. And I hope love will soon be requited. Without the rules, imposed by a studio that could care less about this love. Wish me well. But if I come back disappointed, I will not apologize for my actions or my gullibility. For I simply gave love a chance on someone most deserving.

 

[DonaDiabla]

. Please, I do not make assumptions. Customers should never get emotional attached to cam models and then complain about their emotions on cam model forums. That is just truth!.I just know how this industry is and how to hustle. Remember I am a veteran of this industry and I know how to play many hustles.. Always remember that you are the one who "fell in love with cam model" because she told you some sob stories and you wanted to play white knight to her. Actually, she is giving a hustle but I am not mad at her. Frankly, I am glad that I do not have customers like yourself who "fall in love me." I would been very angry that my customer would gone on a cam model forum and discuss "his love for me" I would also be outrage that any customer would think that he deserve my love in real life. Because this is business not a dating service or matchmaking.So, better this chick than me because I would have crush this behavior of yours long ago.and threw you out. So, I wished you the best and pray that my clientele will not ever do something like this to me.

You are making a lot of assumptions here. And while all of this is possible the jury is still out and I will know soon enough and post the results of my upcoming trip.

 

[LivingInMyth]

. Please, I do not make assumptions. Customers should never get emotional attached to cam models and then complain about their emotions on cam model forums. That is just truth!.I just know how this industry is and how to hustle. Remember I am a veteran of this industry and I know how to play many hustles.. Always remember that you are the one who "fell in love with cam model" because she told you some sob stories and you wanted to play white knight to her. Actually, she is giving a hustle but I am not mad at her. Frankly, I am glad that I do not have customers like yourself who "fall in love me." I would been very angry that my customer would gone on a cam model forum and discuss "his love for me" I would also be outrage that any customer would think that he deserve my love in real life. Because this is business not a dating service or matchmaking.So, better this chick than me because I would have crush this behavior of yours long ago.and threw you out. So, I wished you the best and pray that my clientele will not ever do something like this to me.

With all due respect, I was not complaining about emotions. I was simply looking for alternate perspectives from both models and their clients. Also, I never divulged her identity out of respect for her. And I do not think she would be mad for the time I let her sleep when she was on her period, sick, just had her wisdom teeth out and was forced to go to work, or was stressed out due to a family argument. I have not been a burden. I have offered her refuge when others simply didn't care. So I will not apologize for loving her nor consider it a burden. If she chooses not to love me back I will simply wish her well and move on with my life. I have not asked for anything tangible in return. You assume that models (even those who treat this solely as a business) might actually meet someone special online and decide to take the relationship elsewhere. And why should I not consider myself worthy of her love or anyone elses?

 

[LivingInMyth]

With all due respect, I was not complaining about emotions. I was simply looking for alternate perspectives from both models and their clients. Also, I never divulged her identity out of respect for her. And I do not think she would be mad for the time I let her sleep when she was on her period, sick, just had her wisdom teeth out and was forced to go to work, or was stressed out due to a family argument. I have not been a burden. I have offered her refuge when others simply didn't care. So I will not apologize for loving her nor consider it a burden. If she chooses not to love me back I will simply wish her well and move on with my life. I have not asked for anything tangible in return. You assume that models (even those who treat this solely as a business) might actually meet someone special online and decide to take the relationship elsewhere. And why should I not consider myself worthy of her love or anyone elses?

I would also point out that she told me she loved me first. And while I was falling in love with her already, I was afraid that this love was unrequited. So I trusted her when she told me that. And from that moment, I felt like we were in a true relationship. So it was not a matter of a love struck lonely client looking for love in the wrong places. I was not expecting nor looking for love when it came to me. Which is usually when love appears.

 

[morgana x]

I have been actively talking to a Romanian Cam Model for 14 months now. I have never seen her naked. Have only talked. She says she hates the business and plans on leaving the industry at Christmas. I am planning on meeting her. She says the rules exclude her from meeting me until she leaves the business so I don't have any of her personal information (name, address, phone number). Have probably spent $75,000 online (no tips) since she works through her period, when she's sick, etc. Sometime I spend a whole shift with her just so she can sleep. Says she can't reveal much to me right now because of the job. I try to stay to keep the others away. She tells me she has been punished for crying online (when she broke down one day because she hates her job). Also, she can no longer text me. I suggested she find a way to contact me but she says that her work will find out and she will get fired. Does her story hold up or am I just being gullible? Appreciate any help. Thanks in advance.

nobody forces u to spend money. u decide what u do with ur money if u like her spend it and stop complaining if not then move on. yes there are risks but seriously don t come on a model forum to complain about ur mental issues,you are so lame,she doesn t really care bout you ,you are such a loser ,walk away really,patheticc..
u obviously have a problem...will u find an aswer here? no, of course not! u can only know the answer to ur questions. there are people who got stood up and there are people who got married with a cam girl. Which one are u going to be? You can only knoo! Choose to trust her or not. Whatever u do do not regret it after! everything is a LIE ! wake up, you will see ...

 

[DonaDiabla]

Stop telling me what I assume. I assume nothing! I was talking simply about myself and how I conduce my business. I have been conducing my business this way for 13 years now. This is why I said that better her than me. Because if my clients start talking falling in love with me and I see that this problem will not go away. I would have crush them right and there because I do not play those types of games with my money/life. I am about the fantasy and illusion of this industry. Other cam models can run their business as they see fit but I would have stop you long ago if you was my client. You guys have a different type of cam model/ customer relationship than I will ever have with my clients.

By the way, I was speaking about how I treat my clientele not you. I would not keep you as a cam client because I run my business differently than your model friend. By the way, I do have a problem with sex workers dating their clients and being open about it. Because it hurts girls like myself who are professionals and do not look at their clients like that. Now, it is so many of these types threads it is become problematic to say the least. In 2015 and 2016, there has more clients thinking that I need their love.In my 13 years, that has never happened before and I was super outraged. This infection is even growing into the sugaring bowl and I will speak out about it. Only because these things affected me as a sex worker. I wish that it was only a few sex workers and their clients. However, it is becoming an alarming to me that many sex workers are using their clients as part of their dating pool. Now,that makes it hard for me as a sex worker. I have been wish you the best but I will not back down from how i feel about threads like this. You are unknowingly highlighting a major problem for sex workers like myself. Now, I have said my peace about this issue and your situation. Again, I wish you the best but I also pray that none of my clients get such ideas about me.

With all due respect, I was not complaining about emotions. I was simply looking for alternate perspectives from both models and their clients. Also, I never divulged her identity out of respect for her. And I do not think she would be mad for the time I let her sleep when she was on her period, sick, just had her wisdom teeth out and was forced to go to work, or was stressed out due to a family argument. I have not been a burden. I have offered her refuge when others simply didn't care. So I will not apologize for loving her nor consider it a burden. If she chooses not to love me back I will simply wish her well and move on with my life. I have not asked for anything tangible in return. You assume that models (even those who treat this solely as a business) might actually meet someone special online and decide to take the relationship elsewhere. And why should I not consider myself worthy of her love or anyone elses?

 

[DonaDiabla]

Yeah, this my last statement about this in your thread. I was not just talking about you being love struck....I also talked about "your friend" using your emotions as well. Frankly, it is just very gross for sex workers not to be professionals and use their clientele as apart of their dating pool.Because that opens up a major problem for professionals who treated this as a business. Also it hurts clients who are strictly about having fun in this industry. It changes this industry into some bargain basement dating service which means less money for a lot of us. It is such a problem that it nearly destroyed the sugar bowl online. I am glad that I have learned a lot of different hustles in order to survive such things. As far me, I will be running my business the same way and stacking my money because I will not be apart of these things. That is my statements on your situation and the subject overall. So, good luck with all of that

I would also point out that she told me she loved me first. And while I was falling in love with her already, I was afraid that this love was unrequited. So I trusted her when she told me that. And from that moment, I felt like we were in a true relationship. So it was not a matter of a love struck lonely client looking for love in the wrong places. I was not expecting nor looking for love when it came to me. Which is usually when love appears.

 

[LivingInMyth]

I am done posting here. Will not follow up after the Holiday. Environment is getting hostile. People are starting to turn. I was simply looking for alternative opinions. Not ridicule and scorn. For those who seemed genuinely concerned and offered constructive criticism thank you. Very much appreciated. I was not whining or feeling sorry for myself. Simply looking for guidance. I apologize for posting. The best of luck to members of this thread.

 

[JGenius]

nobody forces u to spend money. u decide what u do with ur money if u like her spend it and stop complaining if not then move on. yes there are risks but seriously don t come on a model forum to complain about ur mental issues,you are so lame,she doesn t really care bout you ,you are such a loser ,walk away really,patheticc..
u obviously have a problem...will u find an aswer here? no, of course not! u can only know the answer to ur questions. there are people who got stood up and there are people who got married with a cam girl. Which one are u going to be? You can only knoo! Choose to trust her or not. Whatever u do do not regret it after! everything is a LIE ! wake up, you will see ...

I'm joining the conversation. As Morgana said everything is a lie. I've myself talked with models about book or music but without crossing the red line that mean no "I love you" or "We're friend". I never waited something other than smart talk.

When I'm reading all this post i think that all this story is a lie too.
There is a lot of peoples who are giving their opinions about that love fantasy and each time you LivinginMyth make a long answer of romantic crusader.
I'm wondering if you're not just trying to get peoples attention here and you've invented all that story for this.
Sorry to not be diplomatic. But if your story is true I think that yourself not believed in that girl's love but you're afaid of the truth because sometimes it's better to live in fantasy even if we are lying to ourselves

 

[AudriTwo]

I am done posting here. Will not follow up after the Holiday. Environment is getting hostile. People are starting to turn. I was simply looking for alternative opinions. Not ridicule and scorn. For those who seemed genuinely concerned and offered constructive criticism thank you. Very much appreciated. I was not whining or feeling sorry for myself. Simply looking for guidance. I apologize for posting. The best of luck to members of this thread.

It's more so tough love and straight up no buttering up.

 

[Carmita Bonita]

I've noticed a pattern here on the forum.

Member posts about love involving a camgirl with a sketchy background

Spent lots of money, feels unsure, wants to meet in real life

Other members give advice/opinions

OP insists it's real, she's really his friend etc

OP gets upset/frustrated with results of thread

This has happened x3 on here maybe that I can remember at the top of my head. I do feel for OP. I posted on the last thread like this that as someone who met my BF on a camsite, I hope for nothing but the best in these situations. But I haven't seen any scorn / major hostility here in my opinion. Just no sugar coating.

 

[YelloMit]

I've noticed a pattern here on the forum.

Member posts about love involving a camgirl with a sketchy background

Spent lots of money, feels unsure, wants to meet in real life

Other members give advice/opinions

OP insists it's real, she's really his friend etc

OP gets upset/frustrated with results of thread

This has happened x3 on here maybe that I can remember at the top of my head. I do feel for OP. I posted on the last thread like this that as someone who met my BF on a camsite, I hope for nothing but the best in these situations. But I haven't seen any scorn / major hostility here in my opinion. Just no sugar coating.

And then I bet a lot of people who have posted felt like it was a waste of time. :/

 

[JubalCobb]

. But I haven't seen any scorn / major hostility here in my opinion. Just no sugar coating.

read dona's posts again

 

[JubalCobb]

I'm wondering if you're not just trying to get peoples attention here and you've invented all that story for this.

right. he made 200+ youtube videos over a ten month period just to troll us.
if so, well played sir.