Model Scam

[surretler]

Hi @punker barbie

Yesterday, I arranged to participate in a pass show with a model; however, despite sending her 2,000 tokens before show and agreeing upon a 6-hour session, she blocked (banned) me from her account immediately after receiving the tokens. I have forwarded the records of this interaction to the CB Support team. I have retained all relevant records and screenshots; I would be very grateful if you could assist me with this matter.Thank you so much and sorry for bothering you.

surretler

 

[ts_cammer98]

ooo nooo better put @fraud_detector on the case!

 

[ts_cammer98]

2k for 6 hours?????? lmao

 

[surretler]

2k for 6 hours?????? lmao

its bad?

 

[ts_cammer98]

its bad?

yeah, not going to sugar coat it, but thats crap pay for a 6 hour session. I would have taken that as an insult if someone even thought to offer that to me. I wouldn't have asked for the tokens knowing I would ban you the entire time either. You have to understand this is the internet and a lot of interesting things take place here, I can't speak on the model's behalf but are you sure this was agreed before you sent the tokens? If this was all agreed on before you sent the tokens, you also have to understand models that accept much lower pay like that are most likely to do something like that too. password shows really hurt a model as far as rank ect, and what you offered is like less than 6tks/min. thats really really really low

 

[ts_cammer98]

If you don't value the model at their pvt price, move along. only shady ppl offer pw shows.

 

[surretler]

yeah, not going to sugar coat it, but thats crap pay for a 6 hour session. I would have taken that as an insult if someone even thought to offer that to me. I wouldn't have asked for the tokens knowing I would ban you the entire time either. You have to understand this is the internet and a lot of interesting things take place here, I can't speak on the model's behalf but are you sure this was agreed before you sent the tokens? If this was all agreed on before you sent the tokens, you also have to understand models that accept much lower pay like that are most likely to do something like that too. password shows really hurt a model as far as rank ect, and what you offered is like less than 6tks/min. thats really really really low

First of all, thank you for your message and for taking the time to respond.

Before sending any tokens, I clearly explained my offer and ensured that there were no misunderstandings. I asked the model on three separate occasions whether this offer was acceptable, and each time, the answer was "yes." Furthermore, I took screenshots of these conversations to serve as evidence.Therefore, from my perspective, the real issue is not the amount of tokens, but the fact that there was a clear and explicit agreement in place. If the offer was deemed too low, it could have been rejected right from the start, or the show could have simply not been initiated at all. Instead, the offer was accepted, and the session began.Given that the show had already started and while the model was still continuing her private broadcast she banned me after 20 - 30 minutes. Since an agreement had been reached and I had made a payment based on that agreement, this situation feels unjust to me.My only request is that this matter be understood and evaluated in a fair manner.

 

[ts_cammer98]

I don't think the model is obligated to do anything after receiving tokens. It's not anything I would have done, but I certainly don't feel bad. Do a pvt next time.

 

[yummybrownfox]

Being live in cam girl mode for 6 hours feels like an eternity, and to only get $100 (2,000 tokens is $100 in the model’s pocket) for such a long period of time…it’s really not the “big money” you seem to think it is.

Shit…you could watch that long-ass movie Titanic TWICE (almost…lol) in that amount of time.

But you’re right though…don’t agree to such terms if you don’t want to do it.

 

[AmberCutie]

holy hell I skimmed over this thread and thought that there was a $2k agreement for 6 hours and I was like wow that ain't bad.... but NOOOOOOmygod 2k tokens for a session that long is ridiculous.

its bad?

That's terrible. It's less than the minimum wage in most states of the US now (give or take a few cents) per hour.

And as @yummybrownfox said above being on cam for that amount of time is physically and mentally taxing.

You lowballed someone and found out the hard way that this isn't how things are supposed to work.

First of all, thank you for your message and for taking the time to respond.

Before sending any tokens, I clearly explained my offer and ensured that there were no misunderstandings. I asked the model on three separate occasions whether this offer was acceptable, and each time, the answer was "yes." Furthermore, I took screenshots of these conversations to serve as evidence.Therefore, from my perspective, the real issue is not the amount of tokens, but the fact that there was a clear and explicit agreement in place. If the offer was deemed too low, it could have been rejected right from the start, or the show could have simply not been initiated at all. Instead, the offer was accepted, and the session began.Given that the show had already started and while the model was still continuing her private broadcast she banned me after 20 - 30 minutes. Since an agreement had been reached and I had made a payment based on that agreement, this situation feels unjust to me.My only request is that this matter be understood and evaluated in a fair manner.

I see now you re worded the issue, and while it's possibly not a misunderstanding about expectations, I still hope that after you've gotten 20-30 minutes of her private time (which is still worth well over your 2k tokens) that you don't press for her to have those tokens revoked. She earned them in that time, even if there was some misgiving of promises on her part.

 

[fraud_detector]

ooo nooo better put @fraud_detector on the case!

Sorry, but I'm not on CB.

 

[surretler]

holy hell I skimmed over this thread and thought that there was a $2k agreement for 6 hours and I was like wow that ain't bad.... but NOOOOOOmygod 2k tokens for a session that long is ridiculous.

That's terrible. It's less than the minimum wage in most states of the US now (give or take a few cents) per hour.

And as @yummybrownfox said above being on cam for that amount of time is physically and mentally taxing.

You lowballed someone and found out the hard way that this isn't how things are supposed to work.


I see now you re worded the issue, and while it's possibly not a misunderstanding about expectations, I still hope that after you've gotten 20-30 minutes of her private time (which is still worth well over your 2k tokens) that you don't press for her to have those tokens revoked. She earned them in that time, even if there was some misgiving of promises on her part.

I understand your perspective, and as I mentioned earlier, I do not deny having used this service for a while before it was banned.

However, from my point of view, the real issue is this: She had every opportunity to reject my offer before the show began; she could have found the offer too low, requested a higher amount, or simply turned it down. I presented my offer clearly and explicitly, and she accepted it and not just once, either. I had the agreement confirmed a total of three separate times, and each time, her answer was "yes."

That is why what transpired does not strike me as a simple misunderstanding.

Instead, she accepted the tokens, started the show, and immediately banned me. This is the part that makes me feel I have been treated unfairly. The issue here is not about trying to reclaim something she "earned"; the fundamental problem is that, despite a mutually agreed-upon arrangement being accepted, that agreement was subsequently not fulfilled. If it were to be accepted that the model was in the right in this scenario, then any model could simply take users' tokens and ban them immediately after starting the show.

 

[fraud_detector]

I understand your perspective, and as I mentioned earlier, I do not deny having used this service for a while before it was banned.

However, from my point of view, the real issue is this: She had every opportunity to reject my offer before the show began; she could have found the offer too low, requested a higher amount, or simply turned it down. I presented my offer clearly and explicitly, and she accepted it and not just once, either. I had the agreement confirmed a total of three separate times, and each time, her answer was "yes."

That is why what transpired does not strike me as a simple misunderstanding.

Instead, she accepted the tokens, started the show, and immediately banned me. This is the part that makes me feel I have been treated unfairly. The issue here is not about trying to reclaim something she "earned"; the fundamental problem is that, despite a mutually agreed-upon arrangement being accepted, that agreement was subsequently not fulfilled. If it were to be accepted that the model was in the right in this scenario, then any model could simply take users' tokens and ban them immediately after starting the show.

Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, and she thought she’d be getting 2K per hour (which would still be very little)? I wonder why she would risk losing her account just to make such a small amount of money.

 

[surretler]

This is what I meant to convey; I certainly had no intention of showing any disrespect toward the models.

If she did not wish to perform this task for that specific amount, she had every right to decline, and I would have fully respected that decision. There would have been no issue whatsoever. However the fact that she accepted the terms, and that I even reconfirmed them several times to prevent any potential misunderstandings

Being live in cam girl mode for 6 hours feels like an eternity, and to only get $100 (2,000 tokens is $100 in the model’s pocket) for such a long period of time…it’s really not the “big money” you seem to think it is.

Shit…you could watch that long-ass movie Titanic TWICE (almost…lol) in that amount of time.

But you’re right though…don’t agree to such terms if you don’t want to do it.

is what makes this situation different.

Once something has been clearly agreed upon, and tokens have been transferred in accordance with that agreement, there should be at the very least a basic level of consistency and fairness.

That is why this feels wrong to me not because of the price itself, but because the agreement was not honored after it had been established.

 

[surretler]

Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, and she thought she’d be getting 2K per hour (which would still be very little)? I wonder why she would risk losing her account just to make such a small amount of money.

Therefore, I have screenshots from three different times as proof. This is because I asked three times to be sure, and I documented it.

 

[rockin_rod]

Instead, she accepted the tokens, started the show, and immediately banned me. This is the part that makes me feel I have been treated unfairly.

It feels like there's a key part missing from this narrative, like perhaps you asked for (or demanded?) something straight up that caused the ban.
I just can't imagine what it would be like having a 6-hour private show, but if you kicked off trying to go straight to something explicit without any buildup, that would've ended it for me.

 

[surretler]

It feels like there's a key part missing from this narrative, like perhaps you asked for (or demanded?) something straight up that caused the ban.
I just can't imagine what it would be like having a 6-hour private show, but if you kicked off trying to go straight to something explicit without any buildup, that would've ended it for me.

Exactly, and that’s why I made sure to take screenshots and confirm everything three times beforehand.So when the admin reviews the chat history, they should clearly understand what I mean. And if needed, I can also provide my screenshots as additional proof to show that there was a clear agreement before any tokens were sent.

That’s really the main point I’m trying to make everything was confirmed in advance, so this situation shouldn’t be seen as a misunderstanding.And to be completely clear, I’m confident in my position.If I’ve done anything wrong or violated any rules, they are free to review my account and even take action if necessary. I’m fully open to that.I’m only asking for a fair review of the situation based on the actual conversation and the agreement that was made beforehand.

 

[ts_cammer98]

It's seriously a shitty move to go after them.

 

[surretler]

The part I struggle to understand is how, in the end, this somehow became my fault. I simply paid a fee but received no service in return—and, moreover, I provided evidence to prove this. The agreement was crystal clear and explicit, and it was a mutually accepted arrangement. So, let me ask you this: You work for these sites; if payday arrived and the site refused to pay you, what would your reaction be?

It's seriously a shitty move to go after them.

 

[ts_cammer98]

because your offer was that much of a joke. ..and thats my last reply here.

 

[Maxi]

2,000 tokens for a six-hour private show?!

These guys are insane…

 

[LaceyRoyce]

The part I struggle to understand is how, in the end, this somehow became my fault. I simply paid a fee but received no service in return—and, moreover, I provided evidence to prove this. The agreement was crystal clear and explicit, and it was a mutually accepted arrangement. So, let me ask you this: You work for these sites; if payday arrived and the site refused to pay you, what would your reaction be?

I think what you’re missing here is that the amount you agreed to pay this person was exploitative at best. So while no one is saying people should renege on agreements, you recieved some of the service you agreed to, not none.

Sex workers can be people vulnerable to exploitation so it’s an area you should be extra careful not to cause harm

 

[surretler]

I think what you’re missing here is that the amount you agreed to pay this person was exploitative at best. So while no one is saying people should renege on agreements, you recieved some of the service you agreed to, not none.

Sex workers can be people vulnerable to exploitation so it’s an area you should be extra careful not to cause harm

If she had considered the amount of 2,000 tokens to be too low, she could have rejected the offer right then and there; however, she accepted it. Furthermore, I asked him about this matter three times—and on all three occasions, she answered in the affirmative—and, as I previously stated, she received the payment. Additionally, users cannot compel a model to perform, nor do they have the right to do so. I have no intention of showing disrespect to anyone here; I am merely recounting a factual event and attempting to explain that I possess supporting evidence regarding it. And I requested assistance concerning this matter. However, I suppose I have caused a disruption on the site; I apologize for any inconvenience.

 

[Vixxen81]

Chaturbate models are not obligated to do anything for tokens nor do we have to fulfill agreements.

While I would have banned you before you sent the tokens for such an insulting offer, what she did is within TOS.

You may get a one time courtesy refund of some of the tokens but be warned she will be asked her side of the story and the model usually wins.

 

[rockin_rod]

Exactly, and that’s why I made sure to take screenshots and confirm everything three times beforehand.So when the admin reviews the chat history, they should clearly understand what I mean. And if needed, I can also provide my screenshots as additional proof to show that there was a clear agreement before any tokens were sent.

That’s really the main point I’m trying to make everything was confirmed in advance, so this situation shouldn’t be seen as a misunderstanding.And to be completely clear, I’m confident in my position.If I’ve done anything wrong or violated any rules, they are free to review my account and even take action if necessary. I’m fully open to that.I’m only asking for a fair review of the situation based on the actual conversation and the agreement that was made beforehand.

I understand this aspect - you've written multiple times that you got agreement in writing 3 times for your offer.
Private show pricing aside - I'm querying what was agreed as the full content.
Very much doubt you scripted out a 6 hour private show just like a movie screenplay, down to each specific act, duration and order.
Then it's very possible that the ban was triggered by something you asked for or demanded, that was crossing a boundary.

 

[surretler]

I understand this aspect - you've written multiple times that you got agreement in writing 3 times for your offer.
Private show pricing aside - I'm querying what was agreed as the full content.
Very much doubt you scripted out a 6 hour private show just like a movie screenplay, down to each specific act, duration and order.
Then it's very possible that the ban was triggered by something you asked for or demanded, that was crossing a boundary.

Therefore, I have sent all correspondence and documents to the support request or CB administrator; the decision is now theirs. I have been using CB for 2-3 years and this has never happened before, this is the first time this has happened to me, so the decision is theirs. They can also look at the past messages.

 

[Vixxen81]

Token Use. By tipping tokens through the Platform, you agree that all token tips are intended as a gratuity and all tips are final when sent. In the event that we receive a complaint about a tip after it has been sent, we may, at our election and with no obligation to do so, send the complaint to the other party for the other party's response regarding the complaint. You are prohibited from providing "tips" for the performance of specific acts. Requesting or demanding specific acts for tips may result in a ban from the Platform for all parties involved. Independent Broadcasters may elect to encourage engagement through the use of a "tip menu" or otherwise. In the unlikely event an Independent Broadcaster fails to perform the performance suggested in their tip menu after receiving the requested gratuity, you may not legally require or compel the Independent Broadcaster to provide any performance or insist on a refund of the gratuity. Of course, you may register either positive or negative feedback on an Independent Broadcaster once every 30 days through the rating system. Although we cannot guarantee that disputes will not occur and cannot compel any Independent Broadcaster to engage in any activity the individual does not wish to engage in, we nevertheless request you report these incidents as repeated failures by an Independent Broadcaster to “morally” honor their own “tip menu” may result in action against the Independent Broadcaster, up to and including termination from the platform.

I've highlighted the important bits. We only have your side of the story and you have not provided the screen shots that prove you didn't violate her boundaries.

 

[darthro]

she blocked (banned) me from her account immediately after receiving the tokens.

Instead, the offer was accepted, and the session began.Given that the show had already started and while the model was still continuing her private broadcast she banned me after 20 - 30 minutes

she accepted the tokens, started the show, and immediately banned me.

which one of these statements is true? each one says something different. They can't all be true


Oh, by the way, CB has no need for your screenshots since they have access to all chat on the site, including what is said in a password show.

 

[surretler]

As I said, the decision is up to CB support and the admin. I sent them all the evidence and conversations. Whether the model gets banned or not is not my decision; it will be the site's own policy.

 

[Vixxen81]

Please update the thread with the response from CB.