CB pvt shows with spy disabled being broadcast on other platforms by the model

[JimmBarker]

I have been doing a lot of pvt with a specific model on CB and sometimes the shows are great and sometimes it gets weird. She just does random stuff. I recently realized that she broadcasts our pvt shows that are spy disabled onto stripchat. I found out because she was clearly doing a pvt in public on Cb, i checked her stripchat page and she was in pvt but broadcasting that pvt in free chat on CB. So I start watching every time she went into pvt's and she does it with both platforms. I have since watched 3 Cb disabled spy privates on stripchat.

I am obviously a bit annoyed by this, actually i feel cheated. New to the whole cam thing so I was totally naive as to what was going. She has it set you dont hear the tip noises on the other platform and is very smooth. She made a room goal for oil show and went for a few minutes about how much she wanted her pvt client to giver her massage. Then she grabs the oil and says I'm going to oil up for my massage.

Anyhow my question is: is this against the rules. It doesn't seem right that a CB disabled spy pvt can be broadcast on other sites and the stripchat pvt's being broadcast for free on cb.

 

[smoker919]

I have been doing a lot of pvt with a specific model on CB and sometimes the shows are great and sometimes it gets weird. She just does random stuff. I recently realized that she broadcasts our pvt shows that are spy disabled onto stripchat. I found out because she was clearly doing a pvt in public on Cb, i checked her stripchat page and she was in pvt but broadcasting that pvt in free chat on CB. So I start watching every time she went into pvt's and she does it with both platforms. I have since watched 3 Cb disabled spy privates on stripchat.

I am obviously a bit annoyed by this, actually i feel cheated. New to the whole cam thing so I was totally naive as to what was going. She has it set you dont hear the tip noises on the other platform and is very smooth. She made a room goal for oil show and went for a few minutes about how much she wanted her pvt client to giver her massage. Then she grabs the oil and says I'm going to oil up for my massage.

Anyhow my question is: is this against the rules. It doesn't seem right that a CB disabled spy pvt can be broadcast on other sites and the stripchat pvt's being broadcast for free on cb.

A lot of models will do this because they're required to by their studios. Simple as that. They're trained to manage guys on multiple sites to try to coordinate the kind of thing you mentioned about the oil show or else they often work with an operator, another person who poses as them in PMs and the chat and who manages these interactions.

 

[rockin_rod]

No requirement in CB's ToS to turn off other site's public streams if taking a private on CB.
However Stripchat does require models to do that.

My advice, for what it's worth, is if you like the model and enjoy the privates you initiate with them, forget about what else is (or may be) going on.
Don't let it distract you.
Exception to the above would be if you are opening your cam to do c2c during a private and use audio, be cautious about what you say if you suspect others may be able to hear.
(Timely reminder that nothing is truly private, site admins have access to rooms even during private/exclusive private, and if the model works for a studio, it's very likely others are able to see/hear what goes on too).

 

[JimmBarker]

She streams from home and is for sure alone, but could still be part of a studio. I recently learned from another model that that studio takes a smaller cut when they stream at home but she was afraid to leave the studio because it took her a long time to get her fan base.

Anyway it just seem really crap TOS on CB's part to allow the spy disabled pvt's to be broadcast in open public on other sites. Guess i will spend my money on the other sites from now. Most of the women are on multiple sites, why waste money on the one with no protections for the consumer?

 

[rockin_rod]

Most of the women are on multiple sites, why waste money on the one with no protections for the consumer?

I just don't agree with your logic here. You are getting the show that you want to see (with the model's consent) and paying for their time, which has a value that many users don't appreciate.
There is no waste of money.
If you don't value a model's time, this form of entertainment isn't for you.

 

[JimmBarker]

I just don't agree with your logic here. You are getting the show that you want to see (with the model's consent) and paying for their time, which has a value that many users don't appreciate.
There is no waste of money.
If you don't value a model's time, this form of entertainment isn't for you.

what are you talking about?

I am saying i will do the pvt's with her on stripchat instead of CB. I was literally just informed in this thread that stripchat privates arent allowed to be broadcast in public shows on other sites. Besides that, stripchat has an exclusive pvt option that no one can spy on. I thought that the premium private on CB was an exclusive show that could NOT be broadcast or spied on. But I have learned here on this forum, which is the very question i asked, that CB premium privates are allowed to be broadcast into public chats on other sites.

Not only do I appreciate the models time, I apprecaite my own time and moeny as well. If you read my original post.....I said that some of the pvt's were just weird, she was doing the tips from the public room on the other site. SO NO I was NOT getting the show that I wanted.

 

[KingMarti]

I am saying i will do the pvt's with her on stripchat instead of CB. I was literally just informed in this thread that stripchat privates arent allowed to be broadcast in public shows on other sites. Besides that, stripchat has an exclusive pvt option that no one can spy on. I thought that the premium private on CB was an exclusive show that could NOT be broadcast or spied on. But I have learned here on this forum, which is the very question i asked, that CB premium privates are allowed to be broadcast into public chats on other sites.

If the model does that on CB, she more than likely does it on SC too and all other sites regardless of what the TOS say. I would recommend finding another model that dosnt behave this way if this isnt the experience you want to be having.

 

[rockin_rod]

what are you talking about?

I'm talking about the fact you stated it was a waste of money.
Your original question was asking if there are any rules that prevent continuing to broadcast a private show on one platform elsewhere in the public show.
You said that this annoyed you, not that it prevented you doing private shows.
Hence the point that you're getting a show, so it isn't a waste of money.
If it's not the show or experience you want, you should find another model.

 

[smoker919]

what are you talking about?

I am saying i will do the pvt's with her on stripchat instead of CB. I was literally just informed in this thread that stripchat privates arent allowed to be broadcast in public shows on other sites. Besides that, stripchat has an exclusive pvt option that no one can spy on. I thought that the premium private on CB was an exclusive show that could NOT be broadcast or spied on. But I have learned here on this forum, which is the very question i asked, that CB premium privates are allowed to be broadcast into public chats on other sites.

Not only do I appreciate the models time, I apprecaite my own time and moeny as well. If you read my original post.....I said that some of the pvt's were just weird, she was doing the tips from the public room on the other site. SO NO I was NOT getting the show that I wanted.

@rockin_rod might be correct in terms of TOS, but not in terms of practice. Many models do private shows on SC that are still shown openly on CB.

 

[Vixxen81]

Exclusive privates on SC are not allowed to be shown on CB, but SC can't enforce or police this as long as the model does not say she is broadcasting on both sites to the viewer on SC.

Non-exclusive private shows on SC can be shown on other sites.

From a model view point, they are going to get their money however they can and your disatisfication -- unless you are an absolute whale of a tipper, is going to go right into her File 13.

 

[rockin_rod]

From Stripchat's Community Guidelines (https://support.stripchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/4410728008977-Community-Guidelines):

We work alongside our models to ensure that all performances are highly satisfying for our users. We do not allow:

• Broadcasting Private or Exclusive Private shows on other platforms publicly for free.

So while it shouldn't happen, in either private or exclusive private, it often does (as noted earlier).

 

[Vixxen81]

From Stripchat's Community Guidelines (https://support.stripchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/4410728008977-Community-Guidelines):


So while it shouldn't happen, in either private or exclusive private, it often does (as noted earlier).

I swear I remembered a post from one of the reps saying that exclusive private could not be shown on other sites but regular private was fine? Now I can't find it. But I did find Stella's post about offsite payments and not policing other sites.

At any rate, as you said, it's going to happen regardless of TOS. That's just how it is. And CB has never cared about multi-streaming. They've kind of gone out of their way to make it easier than any other site.

 

[JimmBarker]

I'm talking about the fact you stated it was a waste of money.
Your original question was asking if there are any rules that prevent continuing to broadcast a private show on one platform elsewhere in the public show.
You said that this annoyed you, not that it prevented you doing private shows.
Hence the point that you're getting a show, so it isn't a waste of money.
If it's not the show or experience you want, you should find another model.

I am saying why waste money on CB.... Every model I talk to has accounts on both platforms CB and SC. Even if SC doesn't police its TOS it is there. If someone agrees to an exclusive show and they are reacting to tips from another site at least I might be able to get my tokens back. If I am spending 300 dollars on a hour long pvt with someone....I would like to be the focus of their attention.

 

[Vixxen81]

Perhaps don't seek out models with low rates and then you won't have to worry about exclusivity. I only work CB. It's been that way for 13 years and will continue as long as it's legal and the site exists. But my private rate is really high compared to 90% of cams on that site.

 

[ts_cammer98]

I am saying why waste money on CB.... Every model I talk to has accounts on both platforms CB and SC. Even if SC doesn't police its TOS it is there. If someone agrees to an exclusive show and they are reacting to tips from another site at least I might be able to get my tokens back. If I am spending 300 dollars on a hour long pvt with someone....I would like to be the focus of their attention.

oh my another one of these ones.... there are plenty of models that don't multi-stream. If you don't like it, find another model. the luxury of a pvt is that you can just end it, the moment you realize your not liking it. why even let it get to an hour if your not liking it?

 

[Vixxen81]

oh my another one of these ones.... there are plenty of models that don't multi-stream. If you don't like it, find another model. the luxury of a pvt is that you can just end it, the moment you realize your not liking it. why even let it get to an hour if your not liking it?

Guys like this actually had me putting in my bio on CB for a long time that I don't multi-stream. Now the entire thing is empty because I'll be damned that I be put in a box I can't get out of.

 

[smoker919]

Perhaps don't seek out models with low rates and then you won't have to worry about exclusivity. I only work CB. It's been that way for 13 years and will continue as long as it's legal and the site exists. But my private rate is really high compared to 90% of cams on that site.

He said $300 an hour. That's either 90 tks/min or 120 tks/min depending which way you round it. That's an above average rate, not a low rate.

 

[ts_cammer98]

I feel like OP has spent a lot of time to reach their findings. A lot of time and work to upset yourself. All that time could have been spent interacting with another model. Hey I totally understand it's annoying to you but wow just move on. We have to deal with this level of obsession too much. way too much.

 

[Vixxen81]

He said $300 an hour. That's either 90 tks/min or 120 tks/min depending which way you round it. That's an above average rate, not a low rate.

Spending $300 on tokens is a 4050 token package which is $202.50 to the model which means her private rate was 60 a minute. But admittedly did not see that number when skimming this thread.

 

[smoker919]

I feel like OP has spent a lot of time to reach their findings. A lot of time and work to upset yourself. All that time could have been spent interacting with another model. Hey I totally understand it's annoying to you but wow just move on. We have to deal with this level of obsession too much. way too much.

This response -- which has been echoed by other models -- tells us that there is a massive lack of understanding of viewers by certain model demographics. I completely empathize with OP's frustration, and with the OP in another recent similar thread. Many guys I've talked to have gone through a similar moment of disillusionment, as have I. Do viewers form attachments to models? Yes, these sites absolutely become community for many viewers. Are all such attachments healthy? No, but dismissing them all as irrelevant is just so extremely demeaning.

 

[smoker919]

Spending $300 on tokens is a 4050 token package which is $202.50 to the model which means her private rate was 60 a minute. But admittedly did not see that number when skimming this thread.

That's a fair point. I haven't bought tokens in a long time so I automatically base the value on how much a token is worth to a model.

 

[ts_cammer98]

This response -- which has been echoed by other models -- tells us that there is a massive lack of understanding of viewers by certain model demographics. I completely empathize with OP's frustration, and with the OP in another recent similar thread. Many guys I've talked to have gone through a similar moment of disillusionment, as have I. Do viewers form attachments to models? Yes, these sites absolutely become community for many viewers. Are all such attachments healthy? No, but dismissing them all as irrelevant is just so extremely demeaning.

The only understanding I lack is not understanding why they don't just move on. I totally understand they would be upset from the multi-streaming and paying too much money to have the models attention divided. But why keep spending tokens? Why spend time researching and confirming your suspicions, to only upset yourself more? There is multiple models in this very thread that don't multi-stream, and we are only a tiny itty bitty slice of whats out there. All op has to do is move on.

 

[yummybrownfox]

If someone agrees to an exclusive show and they are reacting to tips from another site at least I might be able to get my tokens back. If I am spending 300 dollars on a hour long pvt with someone....I would like to be the focus of their attention.

Believe it or not…I was with you here until you posted this (the bolded part). Yeah…no. You paid the model for a sex show, and you got a sex show. I get being pissed that y’all SC “exclusive” show was broadcast in CB public chat, and you not having her full attention. But to expect to be issued a full refund is a bit much imo. Just don’t visit that model again, and move on to a different model who’ll hopefully give you a truly exclusive show.

 

[AmberCutie]

I haven't bought tokens in a long time

wow, though. Such an active voice in the cam model community and ... haven't bought tokens in a long time? I'm a little taken aback by that. I assumed as a supporter of the cam model community you were supporting it with spending.

As I've stated recently, I believe maybe in a different thread, there's a point where you're thinking way too much into these cam shows and need to take a step back and just find a room/model that suits your needs. Then buy into a (short) show, or buy some (cheap) content and evaluate if that's your style. And if not? Find another and try again! If you find yourself building a connection with the model, then COMMUNICATE your expectations for a longer show (that you don't want it broadcast elsewhere)...

there is a massive lack of understanding of viewers by certain model demographics

and there's a massive lack of understanding of cam models needs/goals/etc by many viewer demographics, clearly. Models are there to make MONEY, however they can, in the most efficient way they can.

I think that point needs to be forefront.

 

[Vixxen81]

Models are there to make MONEY, however they can, in the most efficient way they can.

I think that point needs to be forefron

 

[NotYou]

wow, though. Such an active voice in the cam model community and ... haven't bought tokens in a long time? I'm a little taken aback by that. I assumed as a supporter of the cam model community you were supporting it with spending.

As I've stated recently, I believe maybe in a different thread, there's a point where you're thinking way too much into these cam shows and need to take a step back and just find a room/model that suits your needs. Then buy into a (short) show, or buy some (cheap) content and evaluate if that's your style. And if not? Find another and try again! If you find yourself building a connection with the model, then COMMUNICATE your expectations for a longer show (that you don't want it broadcast elsewhere)...


and there's a massive lack of understanding of cam models needs/goals/etc by many viewer demographics, clearly. Models are there to make MONEY, however they can, in the most efficient way they can.

I think that point needs to be forefront.

I have a feeling her gets paid for some bots and apps he makes, then uses those tokens he receives from payment as a way to support other models? That's one thing I always assumed. But I could be very wrong

 

[misterical]

I never really get this argument when it comes up (and it does time and time again). If I buy tokens on site A, then go private on site A, surely that only entitles me to an entirely private show which excludes other users from site A. The thought that 30 tokens a minute (or whatever the cost is) also buys me the right to exclude members of every other site that the model streams on - sites which I did not buy tokens for - seems a ridiculous assumption to me.

 

[AudriTwo]

I never really get this argument when it comes up (and it does time and time again). If I buy tokens on site A, then go private on site A, surely that only entitles me to an entirely private show which excludes other users from site A. The thought that 30 tokens a minute (or whatever the cost is) also buys me the right to exclude members of every other site that the model streams on - sites which I did not buy tokens for - seems a ridiculous assumption to me.

Its why i dont really take these "grr model split streaming their shows" as serious. The models who are usually split streaming are either studio models who charge lower rates or models who cant survive on one site alone.

 

[Maxi]

If I go private then I wouldn’t be bothered in the slightest that some random guy in Estonia on random xyz site is watching too and crucially, it’s definitely not top what I’ll currently be focussing on… good for them! Live in the moment. Enjoy the show.

 

[KingMarti]

If I go private then I wouldn’t be bothered in the slightest that some random guy in Estonia on random xyz site is watching too and crucially, it’s definitely not top what I’ll currently be focussing on… good for them! Live in the moment. Enjoy the show.

I think the issue isnt so much that others were watching on another site as the model was preforming requests of the other users tipping on the other site in the show the guy was paying for, IMO he's justified to be unhappy about this since he is paying for a show that's catered to him and the experience received is the same as just staying in free chat.

But I'm still sticking with my original reply of if a model isnt delivering the experience you want just find a new model, it's not like you're ever short on options.