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I can never sleep at night, and never wake up in the morning. Its a miracle if I get up before 2pm, and Im always tired. Ive tried taking melatonin to go to bed earlier, but I still sleep in just as late. I dont even drink coffee or pop so Its not a caffeine thing. Ive tried setting multiple alarms, moving the clock across the room but somehow Im turning them off in my sleep because I have no memory of getting up to do so. Its not fair, because its not even like its a deep sleep. Im in and out, and rolling around and lot but I cant seem to sit up or move around of my own volition.

TL;DR I get about 14 hours of shitty sleep a night and can't wake up, wasting most of my day.
 
I have a set time I call my sleep time and try to always be in bed with my eyes closed during those hours. Even nights I only sleep a couple hours I do not get up or do anything at all. This seems to have helped me a little most nights, but it is hard to stick to my schedule when my alarm is not going to go off for hours on the nights it is not helping me.

After I read what I just typed I decided it looked completely useless, but it is all I can give you. Sorry I could not help more.
 
Sounds like a sleep lab visit might be in order. I have sleep apnea, so a cpap is helpful. But there are different sleep problems such as apnea, insomnia and narcoLepsy and others. Being sleepy during the day, especially if you drive, can be dangerous. But most disorders can be helped. :twocents-02cents:

Worse, you could fall asleep on cam and become a member of the sleeping models club!

http://acf.xxx/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2867
 
If you can't sleep, get up. Do something. Go for a walk perhaps.

Don't use your bed for anything other than sleeping ...or sex.

This reinforces the bed as 'sleepytime' and will help a lot.
 
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I am in the same boat as you. I get in the bed between 10-12 sometimes earlier and it's 2:30-4AM before I am able to fall asleep. And then I'll sleep til 11AM-noon or so and get up feeling like total crap. I have tried taking all sorts of medicine to make me sleepy but none of them work. I can be dragging all day and feel so tired but sleep alludes me.. IDK what to suggest either but if you find something that works, let me know.. I think the OP's suggestions to see a dr may be in order...
 
I treat insomnia and other sleep disturbances in my practice. The suggestion to keep a regular sleep/wake cycle is a good one -- though easier in theory than practice. Also, the suggestion to get up if you've tried to fall asleep and can't. Here is a sleep hygiene handout that I give my clients. Not all of this will apply to you, but it won't hurt to keep it in mind. There is also a specific behavioral treatment protocol for insomnia, but it goes way beyond what I can post in a forum.

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Sleep Hygiene Instructions

1. Sleep only as much as you need to feel refreshed during the following day.
Restricting your time in bed helps consolidate and deepen your sleep. Excessively long times in bed lead to fragmented and shallow sleep. Get up at your regular time the next day, no matter how little you slept.

2. Get up at the same time each day, 7 days a week.
A regular wake time in the morning leads to regular times of sleep onset and helps to set your “biological clock.”

3. Exercise regularly.
Schedule exercise times so that they do not occur within 3 hours of when you intend to go to bed. Exercise makes it easier to initiate sleep and deepen sleep.

4. Make sure your bedroom is comfortable and free from light and noise.
Excessively warm or cold sleep environments may disturb sleep.

5. Eat regularly and do not go to bed hungry.
Hunger may disturb sleep. A light snack at bedtime (especially carbohydrates) may help sleep, but avoid greasy or “heavy” foods.

6. Avoid excessive liquids in the evening.
Reducing fluid intake will minimize the need for nighttime trips to the bathroom.

7. Cut down on all caffeine products.
Caffeinated beverages and foods (coffee, tea, cola, chocolate) can cause difficulty falling asleep, awakenings during the night, and shallow sleep. Even caffeine early in the day can disrupt nighttime sleep.

8. Avoid alcohol, especially in the evening.
Although alcohol helps tense people fall asleep more easily, it causes awakenings later in the night.

9. Smoking may disturb sleep.
Nicotine is a stimulant. Try not to smoke during the night when you have trouble sleeping.

10. Don’t take your problems to bed.
Plan some time earlier in the evening for working on your problems or for planning the next day’s activities. Worrying may interfere with initiating sleep and produce shallow sleep.

11. Do not try to fall asleep.
This only makes the problem worse. Instead, turn on the light, leave the bedroom, and do something different, like reading a book. Don’t engage in stimulating activity. Return to bed only when you are sleepy.

12. Put the clock under the bed or turn it so that you can’t see it.
Clock watching may lead to frustration, anger, and worry which interfere with sleep.

13. Avoid naps.
Staying awake during the day helps you to fall asleep at night.
 
Thanks for the suggestions everyone :D
Id love to just make myself get up, but I can't really move? I dont know how to explain it. Its not really like sleep paralysis because Im rolling around and stuff, but when Im like "okay lift your head" it just doesnt happen and then I fall asleep again for a few minutes
 
Jessi said:
Thanks for the suggestions everyone :D
Id love to just make myself get up, but I can't really move? I dont know how to explain it. Its not really like sleep paralysis because Im rolling around and stuff, but when Im like "okay lift your head" it just doesnt happen and then I fall asleep again for a few minutes


Sleep paralysis is only when you wake up from REM sleep and your brain still has your body switched off. It does that so you don't hurt yourself when you dream. You are currently just a lazy, but gorgeous, teenage slob who needs to change her ways :-D
 
Red7227 said:
You are currently just a lazy, but gorgeous, teenage slob who needs to change her ways :-D

I've had sleep problems for years, and trust me, I desperately wish I didn't have them. It's not very fun to spend your day in a half asleep haze because you're not getting good quality sleep. If Jessi was a lazy slob, I don't think she'd be asking for help for this issue, she'd just be sleeping all day and enjoying it.

Jessi, I hope you can figure this out, I am struggling with the same thing. It sounds overly simplistic, but I find that regular exercise helps me sleep a bit better.
 
MadisonLeigh said:
I've had sleep problems for years, and trust me, I desperately wish I didn't have them. It's not very fun to spend your day in a half asleep haze because you're not getting good quality sleep. If Jessi was a lazy slob, I don't think she'd be asking for help for this issue, she'd just be sleeping all day and enjoying it.

I had the same thing. Just not wanting to move in the morning can be overcome, but it is up to you. There is no magic way to fix it.
 
Jessi said:
Red, I do want to move in the morning and I DO want to get up. What I'm trying to express is that Im in a partially-awake state and my body doesnt respond the way I want it to. I am physically having trouble moving.

I know sweetie. Unless you are in sleep paralysis, which does go away in a few minutes, the only thing keeping you in bed is your mental state. I have been through the same thing when I was unemployed a few years ago.

All i can suggest doll is that you start setting the alarm and making plans to be up at a certain time. Geting people to ring your on your mobile as well, might break you out of the cycle. With me i overcame it when I started to add structure to the day. Always have things to do on different days, and arrange them for the morning. If that still doesn't work, can you get someone to come around and get you up in the morning? It should only need to be for a week or two at most until you break this cycle.

If that doesn't work, then you need a doctor sweetie.
 
Jessi said:
I have 3 alarms, 2 on my phone and one on my clock. I hit the off button without waking up completely. Im going to take someone's suggestion earlier and try to find a doctor in my city.

I hope a doctor can help you. I have had trouble sleeping for most of my life and it is no way to live if you can get help. I have used to have trouble falling asleep then as I got older if changed to an inability to stay asleep. My brain seems to just say screw sleep something better must be happening somewhere so go find it and I am fully awake in the middle of the night for no reason. It makes me feel tired and run down most days.
 
I'm in a similar situation. I have trouble sleeping, once i fall asleep, the next day, i don't want to get up. it's shitty. like you, my body does not want to move.
I always try to find sleep aids that will help me..(instead of going to the doctor and taking heavy sleeping pills that have crazy side effects)
the ONLY thing that has helped me was excedrin PM. I take 2 every night and it helps my body relax and makes me super sleepy. I also play video games until I feel tired.
Though I know I should exercise more. :crybaby:
 
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You want the easiest solution? Move your alarm away from your bed. Then you're gonna have to get up or sit through an air raid.
 
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I have had a problem with sleeping for quite some time.For as long as I can remember I have slept better early morning to about 12 noon.I am always wide awake after 9pm. I use to try sleeping with soft music playing and all the lights off and I would just lay there for hours tossing and turning, finally getting vary aggrivated.Anyway...I have since tried sleeping pills with no solid sollution and now the doctor gave me some pills that are ment to relax the muscles and my mind.Needless to say , my sleep has emproved.But the advice given to me about sleeping problems is no caffiegn after 3pm and begin a relax time after 8pm also maintain some kind of exercize program daily.
 
I think physical activity may play a role - I suffer from a similar symptom, and I have complete empathy since as a student, I understand how essential good quality sleep is. If you're mentally exhausted, but physically inactive - you may find yourself unable to sleep despite feeling extremely tired.

If you could, try not to be too engaged on the internet in proximity to your bed time, and have set intervals for sleeping; i.e. 'I shall sleep when I feel sufficiently tired near 4am'. You may want to wind down by watching some television, or reading a book (although, be wary of books that may be too thought provoking, e.g. 'The God Delusion').

Your body clock may be trying to continually adjust to your sleeping habits, and the continual fluctuations coupled with differing lighting levels (sunlight) may contribute to any underlying sleeping issues. In regards to caffeine, you may want to drink some when you wake up in order to keep yourself physically awake.

On a slightly related note, I'm wondering - do you take naps? It may be useful to experiment with different levels of napping, since our bodies were supposedly 'designed' to have two sleep cycles per day, but it had been shifted to one by the prevailing use of artificial light.

Lastly, you may want to assess the amount of time you spend sleeping. If you're sleeping for much more than 7-8 hours at a time, you may find yourself exhausted from spending too much time sleeping. The optimal amount is dependent on the person, and you may find yourself requiring only 6 hours in any specific sleeping session.

Be sure you're comfortable when you're sleeping - there's no point trying to sleep in an uncomfortable bed, in an uncomfortable position, in a inadequately warm/cool bed, in too much clothing (restricts movement), with anxieties/stress, etc. Optimize the time you spend awake; It's crucially important to not fall into the trap of being unable to sleep/wake up!

I'm not sure how well the following advice would suit you, but sexual stimulation before bed time seems to help too.

I hope this helps.
 
I've found an excerpt from an article, if it helps at all:

Appendix 14 Good sleep habits (‘sleep hygiene’)

1. Reduce light, noise and extremes of temperature in the bedroom

2. Avoid caffeine, nicotine and alcohol before bedtime

3. Avoid a heavy meal within two hours of bedtime, however a light snack may help if you are hungry

4. Regular exercise late in the afternoon or in the early evening may deepen sleep but do not exercise vigorously within three hours of bedtime

5. In order to achieve relaxation at bedtime, allow about one hour of quiet activity prior to bedtime, such as reading, watch9ing television or listening to music

6. Develop a bedtime ritual such as reading or listening to relaxing music, clean your teeth etc. so that your body knows that you are getting ready to go to sleep.

7. Don’t go to bed too early. That is, don’t go to bed unless you are feeling sleepy. If you try to go to sleep too early before falling sleepy you will have difficulty getting to sleep. This may make you feel irritated and frustrated about not feeling sleepy, not falling asleep and anxious about how you will cope the next day.

8. Do not stay in bed if you are awake. If you go to bed when you are feeling tired and sleep but do not fall asleep within 15-20 minutes (estimated time only, do not use a clock), get out of bed, go to another room and do something mundane until you feel sleepy again. Repeat this procedure until you fall asleep quickly.

9. Get up at the same time in the morning as this will help train your body clock. Do not sleep in on weekends or after a late night.

10. Try not to nap during the day as this tends to reduce your sleepiness at night and results in poorer quality sleep during the night.

11. Do not worry if you can’t get to sleep at night because worry and anxiety will delay sleep even more. The harder you try the worse it will be. If you get very little sleep one night you will still function the next day although you may be a little more irritable and tired than usual.
 
skiphop90 said:
You want the easiest solution? Move your alarm away from your bed. Then you're gonna have to get up or sit through an air raid.

It doesn't help when your body builds a tolerance to noise. I can sleep through a fire alarm.
 
Thank you Jessi for sharing. I have a longstanding battle with insomnia since mid adolescence. Whenever the problem gets real irritable I would start tidying up my room, preparing meal for next day, or doing laundry. Feel less upset about "the wait" to have spent some of it "productively" :) .
 
LingWoosBunny said:
Thank you Jessi for sharing. I have a longstanding battle with insomnia since mid adolescence. Whenever the problem gets real irritable I would start tidying up my room, preparing meal for next day, or doing laundry. Feel less upset about "the wait" to have spent some of it "productively" :) .

I will try this. Its too easy to just zone out on Reddit- but Ill feel better if I do the dishes or organze my closet of something
 
Jessi said:
I have 3 alarms, 2 on my phone and one on my clock. I hit the off button without waking up completely. Im going to take someone's suggestion earlier and try to find a doctor in my city.

I sort of have the same problem lately, but I think some of it could be due to mild depression I have been experiencing, makes getting up a little harder, and Im just like 5 more minutes than Ill get up, but than Ill hit the snooze button a bunch of times. I stay up all night and than sleep all day but nights I end up going to bed earlier I still find myself sleeping long, the other day I slept 10 hours and still woke up feeling tired and was tired all day, it was weird. I have no real answers I was just thinking for me it could be slight depression or whatever from cold weather and not getting out much lately.

Also if you are having trouble getting to sleep at night it could be computer use cuz computer screens are linked to causing insomnia, not sure if you stay up late on computer when you cant sleep or whatever but that could contribute heres an article on it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...st-before-bed-increases-risk-of-insomnia.html
 
I have 2 dogs that go berzerk once the alarm goes off.
Even if it doesnt go off.... they know what time to go berzerk.

So... getting out of bed is not usually a problem even if I can barely move or I'm not fully awake.

You need a couple of yappy dogs. I had a big dalmation-lab mix, she would stay in bed asleep for 24 hours and not move if I didnt move. She was not a good alarm clock.

Now I have a JRT and a Scottish terrier. Nobody can sleep with these 2 clowns jumping all over me and if you ignore them they start to play fight right on top of me.

If you yell at them they bark louder. if you whack them with a pillow, they'll grab it and start beating it up.
 
hello,

Years ago i had a similar problem when i felt a sleep i only slept about an hour or so after that i whas clearly awake smoking cigarettes outside at 3.00 am in the morning.I realized this whas not normal and visited our doctor turned out it whas being caused by my vitamin B12 level (it whas to low).You can compare this vitamine as the fuel a car needs if the fuel is up the motor starts to falter to ....Vitamin B12 is in your food fish , cheese , eggs etc etc to know what your B12 level is they need to take blood and specially ask for the B12 test because this test is verrry expensive they don't do it unless they suspect something is wrong with it.The sympthoms you describe are similar but i also walked verry unstable.Vegetarians are known people that could get trouble with B12.Also try to avoid taking naps during the day unless you are sick.If you are sick there is nothing wrong with a nap.But a young woman like you should not need to sleep during the day if you do there is something wrong that needs to be investigated.The human boddy also creates a vitamin B12 reserve but when that's up (and there is a problem) you are going to get sympthoms consult a doctor before it get's you in a hospital it did with me.
 
I wish I could help. I suffer from sleep paralysis, have my whole life. It makes sleeping scary, if any of you have it I'm sure you know why. Like nightmare on Elm st. scary. Sometimes I have trouble sleeping just because I'm afraid to! I've also been grinding my teeth a lot lately, I've also always done that but it's gotten pretty bad.
I noticed paralysis got mentioned earlier in the thread. It definitely doesn't sound like what you have but maybe I can still help?
If I'm having an attack I focus all of my energy on just moving one small part of me. My finger tip usually and then I can pull myself out of it. Then again I also feel like I'm slippin out of my feet and am in a total panic, survival mode. I reckon that's a bit different then just being sleepy. Maybe you need to focus all of your energy on lifting your head and treat it as a minor emergency?
 
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