Don't Touch My Junk

[Bocefish]

I really don't see the big frikkin' deal with all the outrage against a pat down search prior to a commercial flight. Of course, there needs to be special considerations for certain people with medical issues and whatnot, but gimme a break.

What say you?

 

[Keithy]

I say it's invasive, unnecessary and completely uncalled for. If someone wants to get a bomb or weapon onto a plane, they'll already know how to get it passed security. Same with the scanners. Scanners only go skin deep. A ceramic razor in the mouth can get passed security right now. So what's next?> They have to stick their fingers in our mouths? Well, then comes the rectal thermite.
Plus, a flight doing from Green Bay to Pittsburg is likely not to have much for terrorist activity. So why waste the effort there?

 

[pyrite1965]

I don't fly anymore. The seats are way too small for me now. They were too small back when I was 250lbs even, and I'm sure the seats were bigger back then too.

 

[Jebbaz]

I firmly believe in maintaining direct eye contact and making animal noises while the search goes on.

 

[Anonymous]

I firmly believe in maintaining direct eye contact and making animal noises while the search goes on.

HAHAHAHA THATS sooo funny :-D


but I dont see the big deal really .Im all for any extra secrurity measures needed to protect myself,friends family and everyone for that matter it really couldnt hurt.Thats just my whittle opinion though........ besides what if its a sexy security guard hehehehe :mrgreen:

 

[Sevrin]

but I dont see the big deal really .Im all for any extra secrurity measures needed to protect myself,friends family and everyone for that matter it really couldnt hurt.Thats just my whittle opinion though........ besides what if its a sexy security guard hehehehe :mrgreen:

Needed is the operative word. Will these measures be effective, or are they trying to protect us from that thing they tried last time? What really bothers people is that they don't believe there's really any point to all this stuff that they're being subjected to by people who don't seem all that qualified to evaluate real threats.

 

[Jebbaz]

Wish I could say that was my joke, but I totally stole that from Phillip Defranco.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I think its a big deal about nothing and blown out of proportion. I don't fly as much as others do but when I have it was never as bad as they've made it out to be.

Security Agents did a good job going through my carry on luggage when I was flying out to Canadia to find I had a few bottles too big than their regulations allowed and I went and had them put in my suitcase. Took 10 minutes OH MY GOD! But thats why I show up a few hours before my flight takes off any way so when I make mistakes I have time to fix it. Getting back into the country was a hell of a lot more difficult than leaving I'll say that much. I stood in line for a good 2 hours to answer some questions, emptied and took off my shit, I stood in the scanner. But again thats why I show up a few hours before my flight takes off.

So to the people who are talking about being bitches and boycotting just to make every one wait that much longer when trying to get on the flight don't be such bitches because if the airlines don't beat your ass I hope the other passengers do.

I could go deeper and say the reason why this is even on the news is because its just another reason to talk bad about the big bad guv'ment, and Obama and unions. But I wont.

 

[Keithy]

I think its a big deal about nothing and blown out of proportion. I don't fly as much as others do but when I have it was never as bad as they've made it out to be.

Security Agents did a good job going through my carry on luggage when I was flying out to Canadia to find I had a few bottles too big than their regulations allowed and I went and had them put in my suitcase. Took 10 minutes OH MY GOD! But thats why I show up a few hours before my flight takes off any way so when I make mistakes I have time to fix it. Getting back into the country was a hell of a lot more difficult than leaving I'll say that much. I stood in line for a good 2 hours to answer some questions, emptied and took off my shit, I stood in the scanner. But again thats why I show up a few hours before my flight takes off.

So to the people who are talking about being bitches and boycotting just to make every one wait that much longer when trying to get on the flight don't be such bitches because if the airlines don't beat your ass I hope the other passengers do.

I could go deeper and say the reason why this is even on the news is because its just another reason to talk bad about the big bad guv'ment, and Obama and unions. But I wont.

But you went through a physical check point and were not personally groped or bombarded with cosmic rays capable of causing spontaneous mutations and giving you cancer. So, it's a little different.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I was physically patted down when I was leaving the country before stepping through a metal detector. And did stand in the scanner when coming back into the country (thats when I meant by stood in the scanner).

Its the same type of scanner you'll find at an orthodontist/dentists office. Are you going to stop going to the dentists too? Besides what doesnt give you cancer these days?

 

[SweepTheLeg]

But I am flying next week so I will document how that goes and we can play the fun game of "Can you tell by the face im making if my butthole got fingered." Granted im a non threatening white male so the game may be a little skewed.

 

[Just_mark__]

The point of security isn't so much to find stuff on a person but to act as a deterrent. Security is always a compromise of practicality over risk. Can we strip search everyone and do a background check? No. Do we want to have our plane blown up or hijacked? No. Finding the balance is what the airports are struggling with. Unless you turn left when you board the plane then it's not going to be a comfy ride but that isn't the fault of airport security, it's just one more hassle for us.

On the scanner debate I'm all in favour of the scanner over the pat downs, much quicker and if some airport drone gets a kick out of seeing my silouettted junk then bully for them - I'm going on holiday and they aren't

 

[Keithy]

At the dentist they cover my junk with lead and it's a small x ray focused on one spot. It also does through the skin and is not made to bombard the skin (which UV does) It's also once every few years (or no more than once a year). At the airport they take pictures of my junk and show them to the other security agents. At the airport it could be a lot more frequent than that. Hell, on a round trip flight it's at least twice.
This is of course ignoring the fact that the scanners are ineffective at best.

 

[Anonymous]

but I dont see the big deal really .Im all for any extra secrurity measures needed to protect myself,friends family and everyone for that matter it really couldnt hurt.Thats just my whittle opinion though........ besides what if its a sexy security guard hehehehe :mrgreen:

Needed is the operative word. Will these measures be effective, or are they trying to protect us from that thing they tried last time? What really bothers people is that they don't believe there's really any point to all this stuff that they're being subjected to by people who don't seem all that qualified to evaluate real threats.

I understand that people think there is no point to it, and I also believe many people forget the simple facts such as if these extra security measures have it be an "invasion" or a precautionary step been applied and active during events such as 911,and events like the shoe bomber and underwear bomber who have not gotten as far as they did.For the shoe bomber it was what ...correct me if Iam wrong please a bomb in his shoe that got through security and the only reason he got caught was that passengers could smell matches and he got caught during his fail at lighting it.....And for the underwear bomber A bomb went unnoticed in his underwear !!what a tragic day that would have been if right before takeoff things didn't go wrong for him??The detonator that the suspect tried to use was acid in a syringe. Instead of detonating the bomb, the acid melted the syringe and caused a fire.I'm sure a pat down would have helped with finding that syringe and stopping it before it could even start.Again I'm all for any and all extra steps before any flights if it is meant to help then people just need to arrive early accept it and be glad that these laws are made to protect everyone .As for the guards I'm pretty sure airport security has extensive training they must complete before hand.

 

[Keithy]

Shoe bomb would have been caught by x ray on shoes, but not backscatter scanners. If bomb was contained rectally nothing short of cavity search would find it.

 

[Anonymous]

Shoe bomb would have been caught by x ray on shoes, but not backscatter scanners. If bomb was contained rectally nothing short of cavity search would find it.

Yes but the shoe bomber hid "plastic" explosives in his shoe say he did the same to both shoes same places?? an x ray machine would take it as just the soles of the shoe right??Also though the measure of taking off shoes before I flight was not yet in place during this event so he pretty muched just walked right on the plane through the metal detectors.So Im glad the shoe thing was made a common practice as im sure these scanners and pat downs will find there place in this system just as that.all these extra steps in security are made from somthing that has failed in their system so these are just corrective measures to prevent anything further.

 

[Keithy]

But the scanners wouldn't catch anything in the soles of the shoes. They also won't catch anything held in fat rolls, the mouth, butt cheeks, vagina, rectum or anything implanted under the flesh. So basically, the huge limitation from the scanners make them useless already. Full cavity search is the only way to be safe.

Keep in mind we also had explosives all over planes globally (Asia to US flights) in 1995 and we were fine for 7 years without extra security. Then the problem was with box cutters on planes.
Also keep in mind, every time they have a new security method it's always more invasive and never effective. Every time someone beats the system and every time it's people, not the government that saves the day.

 

[Eva_ChangeN]

I don't mind being wanded and a pat down (checking pockets and waistbands and such) considering that when you go to a concert or sports event, they do the same thing. What I have a problem with is the overkill use of body scanners and Xrays which "can" cause medical issues, esp for people who fly for their jobs and get exposed a couple times a day/week. BUT when senators and other gov officials can "opt out" and walk thru the old school way, THAT is my complaint. (look up news articles from Dayton Ohio) If our "leaders" think heading to a police state is OK then they and their families should also comply! How are they so damn special that they could never be considered as law breakers? My other concern is that they people doing pat downs are not trained in anything other than "grope and move the herd". I don't want a young kid just out of school with a sewn on "badge" grabbing on my daughter cause she "could maybe possibly kinda might" be involved in something, while Al-shafherotgjdskrugeaqowpie in his full muslim garb just gets wanded cause it might be seen as racist/sexist/nationalist. It should apply to ALL or none, and have ways to opt out of the Xrays if/when you see fit. People have medical and personal reasons that may spur their decisions, and our country is built on these "Rights" to allow us to make those decisions. I personally will not expose myself to Xrays more than necessary. I also agree with what was said about state to state trips not being that big of a threat.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Odds are the people that fly for their jobs are often on their cell phones all the time as well which could cause their own health issues can they not? There are so many things out there that aren't healthy for us so should we suddenly stop doing anything if there's a health risk behind it?

I do agree with the ALL or none argument, because no one then could say they are being profiled because of race or gender or religion. I'm down for having to show up earlier for a flight than everyone able to do as they please. Don't like it, well you can always drive to your destination (provided theres not a massive body of water in your way)

 

[Sevrin]

Odds are the people that fly for their jobs are often on their cell phones all the time as well which could cause their own health issues can they not? There are so many things out there that aren't healthy for us so should we suddenly stop doing anything if there's a health risk behind it?

I do agree with the ALL or none argument, because no one then could say they are being profiled because of race or gender or religion. I'm down for having to show up earlier for a flight than everyone able to do as they please. Don't like it, well you can always drive to your destination (provided theres not a massive body of water in your way)

I am also willing to make ridiculous arguments about things I know nothing and inconvenience others in order to keep America safe.

We are now at the point where we would happily give people cancer rather than let them be blown up, even though getting blown up in the sky is a far less painful way to go than cancer and much cooler. It's the principle of the matter. I guess.

 

[AmyLemon]

If I'm traveling I try very hard to avoid US connections just because of how utterly rude many of the airports are. I'm perfectly willing to go through a full body scan, have my luggage tossed, and be interrogated about my whereabouts for the sake of America and everyone else's security, but do you they have to be such dicks about it?

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I am also willing to make ridiculous arguments about things I know nothing and inconvenience others in order to keep America safe.

We are now at the point where we would happily give people cancer rather than let them be blown up, even though getting blown up in the sky is a far less painful way to go than cancer and much cooler. It's the principle of the matter. I guess.

So my argument of we should ban anything that has a health risk is ridiculous. but your argument is however logical.

My argument, I guess I should clarify, is devils advocate. You and others want the scannings banned because they could eventually maybe in some people cause health issues. But theres so many things that we do in our every day lives that can cause health problems but no one gives two shits about, but suddenly now that scanning could eventually cause health problems somewhere down the road for people who fly frequently THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! Whats the difference? Theres a link between Cell phones and tumors, do you still use them? Fast Food could lead to obesity and heart issues and all sorts of shit do you still partake in a meal at Mcdonalds every once in a while? Cigarettes has their shitloads of health problems, do you turn into a bitch when your friend lights up?

Whats the difference?

 

[Anonymous]

I am also willing to make ridiculous arguments about things I know nothing and inconvenience others in order to keep America safe.

We are now at the point where we would happily give people cancer rather than let them be blown up, even though getting blown up in the sky is a far less painful way to go than cancer and much cooler. It's the principle of the matter. I guess.

So my argument of we should ban anything that has a health risk is ridiculous. but your argument is however logical.

My argument, I guess I should clarify, is devils advocate. You and others want the scannings banned because they could eventually maybe in some people cause health issues. But theres so many things that we do in our every day lives that can cause health problems but no one gives two shits about, but suddenly now that scanning could eventually cause health problems somewhere down the road for people who fly frequently THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! Whats the difference? Theres a link between Cell phones and tumors, do you still use them? Fast Food could lead to obesity and heart issues and all sorts of shit do you still partake in a meal at Mcdonalds every once in a while? Cigarettes has their shitloads of health problems, do you turn into a bitch when your friend lights up?

Whats the difference?

lol i like your way of thinking

 

[RufffRider]

I say it's invasive, unnecessary and completely uncalled for. If someone wants to get a bomb or weapon onto a plane, they'll already know how to get it passed security. Same with the scanners. Scanners only go skin deep. A ceramic razor in the mouth can get passed security right now. So what's next?> They have to stick their fingers in our mouths? Well, then comes the rectal thermite.
Plus, a flight doing from Green Bay to Pittsburg is likely not to have much for terrorist activity. So why waste the effort there?

Maybe we should do a better job of keeping people from coming into the country illegally? My conspiracy theory is-
The heavy handed Fondling is in response to people complaining about the Porn Scanner, which is what it is.. the pictures taken from those machines WILL be sent around the world electronically, we will all get to feel like MFC models .

TSA is in the process of Unionizing, several airports have switched to Private Security screeners, i think the usefulness of Unions has passed, we have little chance in the USA of making any product that can be sold outside of the US for a profit.

I guess we should all just fly naked and ship our luggage separately, then they will have to do the tossed salad search befoe we can fly.

 

[Sevrin]

Theres a link between Cell phones and tumors, do you still use them? Fast Food could lead to obesity and heart issues and all sorts of shit do you still partake in a meal at Mcdonalds every once in a while? Cigarettes has their shitloads of health problems, do you turn into a bitch when your friend lights up?

You're going to have to come up with a legitimate source for your cellphone claim. The other line of argument is just as specious. People don't eat fast food or smoke because it is supposed to keep them safer, now do they? They engage in those activities to find psychic comfort in light of overwhelming and generally accepted evidence of the inherent risks involved. Scans didn't become a feature of air travel until someone came up with the idea that everyone needed to be scanned.

People who fly often do so because it is part of how they earn a living. It's not the people who fly to Cabo and back once a year that anyone is seriously worried about. I fly once in a blue moon and I'm not particularly worried about being scanned. My CEO OTOH is in the air at least once every week to meet customers, and so my livelihood depends on people flying, too. The people who really have reason to be concerned about scans are those who work aboard commercial airplanes, namely the pilots and flight attendants. Should they be told just to suck it up or find other employment in an age where restaurant employees are protected from secondhand smoke at their workplaces?

 

[Mr_Luv_A_Lot]

The people who really have reason to be concerned about scans are those who work aboard commercial airplanes, namely the pilots and flight attendants.

Pilots and flight attendents were just recently given the right to bypass the screenings and searches. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/2...avel_brief_airport_security_flight_attendants
Now, I'm concerned that in several years we'll have a crew of pilots and flight attendents again turn commercial airplane into a weapon, but what can you do? No system is foolproof.

 

[LadyLuna]

So my argument of we should ban anything that has a health risk is ridiculous. but your argument is however logical.

My argument, I guess I should clarify, is devils advocate. You and others want the scannings banned because they could eventually maybe in some people cause health issues. But theres so many things that we do in our every day lives that can cause health problems but no one gives two shits about, but suddenly now that scanning could eventually cause health problems somewhere down the road for people who fly frequently THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! Whats the difference? Theres a link between Cell phones and tumors, do you still use them? Fast Food could lead to obesity and heart issues and all sorts of shit do you still partake in a meal at Mcdonalds every once in a while? Cigarettes has their shitloads of health problems, do you turn into a bitch when your friend lights up?

Whats the difference?

The difference is- I choose the cigarette/cellphone/fast food. The government isn't forcing them on me.

(Actually, I don't smoke, cause I already gotta worry about skin and breast cancer x.x)

 

[Eva_ChangeN]

The difference is- I choose the cigarette/cellphone/fast food. The government isn't forcing them on me.

(Actually, I don't smoke, cause I already gotta worry about skin and breast cancer x.x)

THIS ^ :character-beavisbutthead:

 

[Keithy]

The FDA has classified X Ray as a carcinogen.
Cigarettes are illegal to anyone under 18 for that very reason. The government also places heavy restrictions on when and where you can smoke.
Cellular phones output very low rates of radio waves. Which are something like 7 orders of magnitude weaker than the visible color spectrum. Long term exposure to powerful radio wave output does seem to contribute to cancers. However the radio wave output in a modern cell phone in the USA is fairly small. X Rays on the other hand are greater in power than UV rays. "Fortunately" the scanners use low energy x-rays. Makes it sound like they're weak doesn't it? Well, by "low energy" they mean it will only get into your skin and stop there. Which means it's like UV radiation only your clothes and sunscreen won't protect you. Also, it does get into your skin, so it's not just surface damage.
And yes, Fast food can lead to other issues, but in and of itself it's not dangerous. I eat fast food once a week at the most, but even so I look for food that is at least a little better for me (I don't go to McD or BK for example).
But the issue remains that any of these things WE CHOSE and not have forced on us by the government. And still, there's the issue that no new method used or being prepared to get used is going to be in any way effective.

 

[Sevrin]

Someone alert Leo. This has possibilities.