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I was just looking at my favorite piracy site and found most MFC streams are unavailable because MFC has been taking measures to nip capping in the bud! Way to go MFC, thank you for taking care of this piracy issue. The competition better watch out as if MFC manages to actually handle this industry problem MANY models will switch sites for good.

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I'm pretty sure that this is why that one particular site that you had to pay to get access to recordings issued their little twitter "ultimatim" to mfc to disable this or they will make "every show from 2019 free" ....

They were PISSSED about it!! Which means its working :0
 
I'm pretty sure that this is why that one particular site that you had to pay to get access to recordings issued their little twitter "ultimatim" to mfc to disable this or they will make "every show from 2019 free" ....

They were PISSSED about it!! Which means its working :0
I love that they (the stupid pirate site) try to make MFC look like the bad guy in the scenario. It's so dumb. I am so happy MFC has taken these measures instead of getting in bed with the enemy (which apparently is what other sites have done?)
 
I'm pretty sure that this is why that one particular site that you had to pay to get access to recordings issued their little twitter "ultimatim" to mfc to disable this or they will make "every show from 2019 free" ....

They were PISSSED about it!! Which means its working :0

Meanwhile CB is busy taking care of a placement bot problem that only bothers failed models and internet creeps (a problem without a solution as every single social media site out there has people gaming the placement Twitter and Youtube would have already fixed it if there was an actual solution).... instead of worrying about the piracy issue that REALLY hurts their bottom line, both models and the site lose money in a direct way when streams are pirated everywhere. I have seen many great tippers switch habits from CB streams to recordings of shows in pirated sites.
 
And there's streamate...


They um changed set room topic to say save instead of set.
I just love when the site is glitch for 2-8 days because they're fixing something that didn't need fixing. One time we had glitches for two weeks, and then they changed the picture on the model login page!
 
I just love when the site is glitch for 2-8 days because they're fixing something that didn't need fixing. One time we had glitches for two weeks, and then they changed the picture on the model login page!


maybe next month after a week of glitches/contest that nobody wants they will give us snapchat like filters on there mobile streaming thing that nobody wanted.
 
Somewhat odd that this has stopped some sites in their tracks as regards MFC material, whilst other sites are still posting MFC shows as if nothing has happened.
 
Somewhat odd that this has stopped some sites in their tracks as regards MFC material, whilst other sites are still posting MFC shows as if nothing has happened.

A single pirate usually has hundreds of websites.

I'm pretty sure that this is why that one particular site that you had to pay to get access to recordings issued their little twitter "ultimatim" to mfc to disable this or they will make "every show from 2019 free"

that sounds expensive for the pirate, they're paying for the bandwidth. :facepalm:
 
Nice to see mfc is working on it.

Completely disagree about the part on cb's effort to diminish the effect of viewer bots.
 
Nice to see mfc is working on it.

Completely disagree about the part on cb's effort to diminish the effect of viewer bots.
Of course you would disagree... tell me something, do you also get so upset about twitter accounts buying followers, retweets and replies.. about Instagram accounts buying the same thing... about YouTube channels buying views, thumbs up and comments or MFC models self tipping for camscore and Miss MFC placement? Cheating placement is not a CB thing, it’s an internet thing, it’s a reality on every single site.. and while managing these things is nice if you have the extra resources, putting all your effort into that basket when there are clearly priorities like piracy or creating an actual working content sharing tool for models to sell videos and photo sets now that we can’t promote manyvids or share.. well, it’s frankly stupid to put your attention into solving a problem without a solution. They are only doing it because of how much shit obsessed failed models and internet creeps have given support, writing to them daily and creating thread after thread smearing the site and the models by name on different forums, so instead of taking care of real problems CB staff is pacifying a handful of annoying crybabies
 
I don't see how this is an "either this or that" decision. And yes, of the platforms you mentioned I only use YouTube and getting bad recommendations of videos, because people manipulated the algorithm annoys me there too. Also I think all these platforms take measures against it.Twitch took bot net owners to court. I think it's worth the effort.
 
I don't see how this is an "either this or that" decision. And yes, of the platforms you mentioned I only use YouTube and getting bad recommendations of videos, because people manipulated the algorithm annoys me there too. Also I think all these platforms take measures against it.Twitch took bot net owners to court. I think it's worth the effort.
The main difference here being Chaturbate isn't Jeff Bezos or Alphabet Inc and thus it doesn't have unlimited funds to hire the workforce needed and the level of skill needed to fix and add everything they need to fix and add. Their capacity to fix stuff is limited by the capacity of their work schedule which is not very ample (if you haven't noticed yet) so that is when learning what to give priority to becomes important. Giving priority to something trivial over things that really matter to everybody was the point of my post, and the reason they gave priority to placement bots is because the climate of public opinion was manipulated by a very vocal minority who kept creating threads accusing models of cheating, the site of not caring, accusing models of being conflated with CB support to prop themselves, day in and day out. Nobody cares about this issue but a few people with concerning obsessive tendencies who have turned the whole thing into a witch hunt spending an amazing amount of hours combing through other model's rooms userlist and drawing conclusions that don't have much to do with reality. Seasoned models know your income is not ultimately tied to the number of people watching, in fact there are models with a room of 30 viewers making 3 times more than first row models. The second difference is the bot owners are in Russia and you can't take russian citizens to court, it actually seems like the law is very ineffective in Russia. And the obsessive types who keep pestering CB about the bots are never happy no matter how many hours CB staffers pour down the drain trying to implement a solution, it is never enough for this group, there is always something to cry about. I hope CB staff realizes what a pointless endeavor it is and focuses the resources on things that DO affect all of our bottom lines.
 
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I'm pretty sure that this is why that one particular site that you had to pay to get access to recordings issued their little twitter "ultimatim" to mfc to disable this or they will make "every show from 2019 free" ....

They were PISSSED about it!! Which means its working :0
That disgusting website actually made all of MyFreeCams' videos free, including face search.

From what I could gather on Twitter, MFC is ignoring them and the models as well.

MFC's lack of care is disturbing to say the least...
 
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That disgusting website actually made all of MyFreeCams' videos free, including face search.

From what I could gather on Twitter, MFC is ignoring them and the models as well.

MFC's lack of care is disturbing to say the least...


I went to it to download a stream that my recording had failed at and it was terrible... Only a few minutes at a time, most of it glitchy and unwatchable.

I would not be so hasty to say mfc doesn't care. They added this protection to help protect our streams. That they didn't respond to blackmail is a good thing IMO and just because they are not publicly addressing it doesn't mean they're not legally working on it. Do you want them just to give in to random blackmail??? The face search is disturbing but is already widely available through another engine I won't mention here.
 
I went to it to download a stream that my recording had failed at and it was terrible... Only a few minutes at a time, most of it glitchy and unwatchable.

I would not be so hasty to say mfc doesn't care. They added this protection to help protect our streams. That they didn't respond to blackmail is a good thing IMO and just because they are not publicly addressing it doesn't mean they're not legally working on it. Do you want them just to give in to random blackmail??? The face search is disturbing but is already widely available through another engine I won't mention here.
People forget that it's a numbers game, just try to figure out how much this costs:

Videos: 117,854,006 | Size: 35.11PB | Duration: 8633y:1m:1d

We're talking >$1M in hard drives alone. I'm assuming that recording failed due to MFC's blocking efforts, which makes sense. Blocking these recorders works, but you also end up blocking legitimate viewers, have you taken a look at MFC's room numbers lately?! They've dropped dramatically.

But the reason I said they don't care is from a model's standpoint. Not that of an outsider. If you just ignore all support queries, and refer them to a shitty DMCA agency, and have them say "We can't do anything about it, deal with it" you just cannot claim that you care for those you're meant to protect.

Put simply, MFC isn't doing anything to protect their models, this is merely an inconvenience, and does not erase the fact that there are petabytes of cam content available all throughout the Internet. If MFC cared, they'd go after them legally or otherwise.
 
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People forget that it's a numbers game, just try to figure out how much this costs:

Videos: 117,854,006 | Size: 35.11PB | Duration: 8633y:1m:1d

We're talking >$1M in hard drives alone. I'm assuming that recording failed due to MFC's blocking efforts, which makes sense. Blocking these recorders works, but you also end up blocking legitimate viewers, have you taken a look at MFC's room numbers lately?! They've dropped dramatically.

But the reason I said they don't care is from a model's standpoint. Not that of an outsider. If you just ignore all support queries, and refer them to a shitty DMCA agency, and have them say "We can't do anything about it, deal with it" you just cannot claim that you care for those you're meant to protect.

Put simply, MFC isn't doing anything to protect their models, this is merely an inconvenience, and does not erase the fact that there are petabytes of cam content available all throughout the Internet. If MFC cared, they'd go after them legally or otherwise.

how is MFC blocking legitimate viewers? I thought the traffic drops were due to their shitty affiliate programs and lack of decent CEO

Of course they can't protect their models 100% no one can. I'm glad they're making efforts to. And MFC actually *has* gone after this shit legally. I can't speak to this issue specifically, but I know they've gone after US based payment processors for international places that sold access to their shows before when they were not responding to DMCA notices. They send DMCA notices on our behalf and I've actually had them file DMCA against ME on my own content when a bot they use to search for illegally uploaded content flagged some of the stuff I had uploaded. It was quickly sorted out.

I"M NOT saying MFC is perfect, by any means. There is a FUCKTON about that site and camming sites in general i am disappointed with. But I've seen mfc take far more efforts in recent years (ive been around mfc for 9 years now)

Just a reminder that if MFC is taking legal action against these sites, you likely won't know anything about it till after its happened. They don't usually discuss pending litigation.
 
People forget that it's a numbers game, just try to figure out how much this costs:

Videos: 117,854,006 | Size: 35.11PB | Duration: 8633y:1m:1d

We're talking >$1M in hard drives alone. I'm assuming that recording failed due to MFC's blocking efforts, which makes sense. Blocking these recorders works, but you also end up blocking legitimate viewers, have you taken a look at MFC's room numbers lately?! They've dropped dramatically.

But the reason I said they don't care is from a model's standpoint. Not that of an outsider. If you just ignore all support queries, and refer them to a shitty DMCA agency, and have them say "We can't do anything about it, deal with it" you just cannot claim that you care for those you're meant to protect.

Put simply, MFC isn't doing anything to protect their models, this is merely an inconvenience, and does not erase the fact that there are petabytes of cam content available all throughout the Internet. If MFC cared, they'd go after them legally or otherwise.
I would put the delicious chocolate cake slice I have in the fridge on the line this clown is the website’s owner.
 
how is MFC blocking legitimate viewers? I thought the traffic drops were due to their shitty affiliate programs and lack of decent CEO

Of course they can't protect their models 100% no one can. I'm glad they're making efforts to. And MFC actually *has* gone after this shit legally. I can't speak to this issue specifically, but I know they've gone after US based payment processors for international places that sold access to their shows before when they were not responding to DMCA notices. They send DMCA notices on our behalf and I've actually had them file DMCA against ME on my own content when a bot they use to search for illegally uploaded content flagged some of the stuff I had uploaded. It was quickly sorted out.

I"M NOT saying MFC is perfect, by any means. There is a FUCKTON about that site and camming sites in general i am disappointed with. But I've seen mfc take far more efforts in recent years (ive been around mfc for 9 years now)

Just a reminder that if MFC is taking legal action against these sites, you likely won't know anything about it till after its happened. They don't usually discuss pending litigation.
They are blocking IP's that recorders are using, and sometimes even entire IP ranges that these IP's are located in. Those IP ranges are often used by VPN companies who provide services to people from countries like China that block porn, etc.

Sending an email to CCBill or Epoch about some retarded Russian monkey trying to sell some clips isn't much, I'm really sorry, but it's not. I could send a hundred of those emails every day on their behalf, and those sites would lose their billing in 48 hours or less.

How can you take that DMCA agency seriously? Leo pays them <$500/mo for their services. They're useless.
 
They are blocking IP's that recorders are using, and sometimes even entire IP ranges that these IP's are located in. Those IP ranges are often used by VPN companies who provide services to people from countries like China that block porn, etc.

Sending an email to CCBill or Epoch about some retarded Russian monkey trying to sell some clips isn't much, I'm really sorry, but it's not. I could send a hundred of those emails every day on their behalf, and those sites would lose their billing in 48 hours or less.

How can you take that DMCA agency seriously? Leo pays them <$500/mo for their services. They're useless.
If I have to give up my dedicated Chinese following in exchange for removing all my pirated streams from sketchy websites like yours I guess that’s a sacrifice I will have to make :)
 
They are blocking IP's that recorders are using, and sometimes even entire IP ranges that these IP's are located in. Those IP ranges are often used by VPN companies who provide services to people from countries like China that block porn, etc.

Sending an email to CCBill or Epoch about some retarded Russian monkey trying to sell some clips isn't much, I'm really sorry, but it's not. I could send a hundred of those emails every day on their behalf, and those sites would lose their billing in 48 hours or less.

How can you take that DMCA agency seriously? Leo pays them <$500/mo for their services. They're useless.

Ok 👌 as far as the rest goes, sounds like we just disagree on that. Maybe you could describe exactly what it is you think mfc should be doing?

But as far as IP blocking countries most of the countries that are being IP blocked can't buy tokens anyway, can they?
 
They are blocking IP's that recorders are using, and sometimes even entire IP ranges that these IP's are located in. Those IP ranges are often used by VPN companies who provide services to people from countries like China that block porn, etc.

Sending an email to CCBill or Epoch about some retarded Russian monkey trying to sell some clips isn't much, I'm really sorry, but it's not. I could send a hundred of those emails every day on their behalf, and those sites would lose their billing in 48 hours or less.

How can you take that DMCA agency seriously? Leo pays them <$500/mo for their services. They're useless.


Ooooohhhhh nnnnoooo, they're blocking IP's for countries that can't even buy tokens and spend money on models. whatEVER will we do? Models are losing zero's of dollars, what a tragedy!
 
But the reason I said they don't care is from a model's standpoint. Not that of an outsider. If you just ignore all support queries, and refer them to a shitty DMCA agency, and have them say "We can't do anything about it, deal with it" you just cannot claim that you care for those you're meant to protect.

cammodels are contractors, not employees. we are pretty much on our own for LOTS of things, so this attitude of camsites need to protect us comes from where? camsites are there to provide a service for us, to host our streams, provide traffic, and use their credit card processors by them taking a percentage. you try to cam independently with big box sites. shit is hard. even then, when you are independent, you have to file dmca's too, but you don't have a site where you can put their information as copyright owner for protection.
 
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Ooooohhhhh nnnnoooo, they're blocking IP's for countries that can't even buy tokens and spend money on models. whatEVER will we do? Models are losing zero's of dollars, what a tragedy!

The recording bots use ip adresses from "Western" countries. It's possible to keep the bots from one of the networks out through a region block BUT it's one of the countries with the highest amount of real traffic too.
 
cammodels are contractors, not employees. we are pretty much on our own for LOTS of things, so this attitude of camsites need to protect us comes from where? camsites are there to provide a service for us, to host our streams, provide traffic, and use their credit card processors by them taking a percentage. you try to cam independently with big box sites. shit is hard. even then, when you are independent, you have to file dmca's too, but you don't have a site where you can put their information as copyright owner for protection.
Camsites take 50 to 70% cut on everything a model earns, its time that they are held accountable for more than bandwidth and traffic.
 
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Camsites take 50 to 70% cut on everything a model earns, its time that they are held accountable for more than bandwidth and traffic.

Not every site does. On MFC's FAQ:

For all tokens earned by the model, the model is paid USD$0.05 per token ("Five Cents") by MyFreeCams.com.


Now. purchase price for tokens varies for the member depending upon how many they purchase. Anywhere from $0.10USD/token down to about $0.075USD/token. It'd probably be relatively safe to say that most members buy tokens for about $0.085USD/token. But, it's a straight and simple payment program for the models to know exactly how much they will get paid.

Could you imagine the math, and extremely shitty accusations towards MFC if they paid a percentage of tokens based upon how much they were purchased for? There's be a lot of models claiming they didn't get paid right, whether legitimate or false claims (aka scams). In this case, simplicity is best.


I could be wrong. But, I would venture a guess and say that if a model works in a studio, then she's looking at closer to 70% taken from cam site and studio. So, she's making 30% of what's brought in. Which, for comparison's sake, isn't far off from other trades. For example, an auto mechanic working in a repair shop may get paid 30% of all labor they do, and 10% of parts they sell/install. Yet, much like the model, they have to buy trade equipment. It's not uncommon for auto mechanics to have anywhere from $10,000USD to $50,000USD (or more) invested in personal tools and equipment which the shop doesn't provide.

As to the topic of the thread: I support and applaud MFC in blocking sites who record a model's video stream. Sadly, I think it'll be short lived though due to technology advancements. It's always a game of cat and mouse when it comes to public video streams.

Personally, I'd like to see them find a way to punish members who trade privates or other videos. There was a long time where I was constantly being PM'd by people to trade videos or privates with others. I would send copies of the PM's to both the model and MFC in hopes of putting an end to it. Being that I block people who aren't on my friend's or model list, I'm no longer asked.
 
Camsites take 50 to 70% cut on everything a model earns, its time that they are held accountable for more than bandwidth and traffic.

If you want a bigger cut, go indie. Check out CMD, Skyprivate, indiebill. But bigger % doesn't equal more money. You don't need big box sites. Im okay with giving camsite percentage of my earnings because they provide me so much instead of traffic and bandwidth.
 
Camsites take 50 to 70% cut on everything a model earns, its time that they are held accountable for more than bandwidth and traffic.

Most sites take less than 50% cut if you take everything into account. Payment processors take 15% per transaction just to process debit/credit cards. This is a fee camsites need to pay in every single transaction done through cards which I am willing to bet is most of them. Now we see sites take 35% commission because the processor fee would apply to you as well if you went indie.

Then members who buy tokens in bulk get a discount. I think it goes as high as 0.082 per token on MFC and 0.079 on CB (instead of 0.1). Models always get 0.05. So that cuts their cut by a ton as well, but since it only applies to tokens bought in bulk and not to small $20 transactions as those get charged a full .1, lets say they only lose 10% more.. this leaves us with 25% commission for the site.

Then they also pay their affiliates 20% lifetime revshare for bringing traffic to the site. This 20% is over money spent. If a member clicks on someone's banner and signs up whatever money he spends on the site, the owner of that popup will forever get 20%. So now we see how the site is actually getting about 5% cut after all the fees and other considerations.

With that 5% they pay for servers, bandwidth, staff, etc

I don't know, sounds pretty fair to me.
 
Personally, I'd like to see them find a way to punish members who trade privates or other videos. There was a long time where I was constantly being PM'd by people to trade videos or privates with others. I would send copies of the PM's to both the model and MFC in hopes of putting an end to it. Being that I block people who aren't on my friend's or model list, I'm no longer asked.

That would be relatively easy to reduce by only allowing token transfers between accounts belonging to the same person. That members can send tokens to other members without any kind of verification is unique to mfc unless I'm wrong. On cb in order to receive tokens members need to go through the age verification process.
 
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