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JoleneJolene said:
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JoleneJolene said:
On the case of the RP's. I know a fella who has very high reward points but also really enjoys playing the private chat field on MFC. He hides his tokens but not his points because it makes it much easier for him to take a new girl private.
I understand not everyone wants the info out there, but it really can be beneficial to the fella. Because his points aren't hidden models take him seriously and he doesn't have to deal with much back and forth before going private thus ruining his mood.
So yeah, showing your reward points can have it's benefits to the members.

I might be treated better if I did not hide my points, but I would be harassed nonstop by random models that think I find being pestered when I am trying to have fun to be sexy. Insulting a model I think of as a friend is not a good way to get my money.

Oh for sure! Ups and downs all over the place! I personally hide my points because I don't want to be harassed nor do I have a need to show them. It goes both ways. There are benefits and there are downsides, just thought I would point out one of the benefits from the members perspective and not just the models.
Woopsies, I lied! I don't hide my points, just my tokens... must of thought about it at one time.
 

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Oh for sure! Ups and downs all over the place! I personally hide my points because I don't want to be harassed nor do I have a need to show them. It goes both ways. There are benefits and there are downsides, just thought I would point out one of the benefits from the members perspective and not just the models.

I enjoy attention, but I like it to be positive. I do not want it from some poor person who can not stand me, and has to force herself to pretend to enjoy my company. Some people just do not click with me, because I am a little lot weird. I hope that by hiding my points I get a little more honesty from new models. It is painful when someone you like starts to snap from having to spend time with you or pushes you away when they decide no amount of money is worth the hassle. Models are people, but so are premiums.
 

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FWIW, since early on, I've been showing "approximate" values for both tokens and rewards points. Keeps the specifics private, but shows the model enough info to know I'm not a waste-of-time freeloader either.

Also, if I spend some time in a lady's room, I'll try to at least drop some small tips to thank her for her time, because it seems the polite thing to do. Even if I'm not really there for a show.
 

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SoTxBob said:

Hi Lexi,
no need to put this in the models-only section. Despite what some may feel, since we members are the generators of said tips, we just may be able to add a tiny bit... :whistle:
From the members side, I have been around MFC longer than a lot of the girls here. I have noticed a lot of reduction in tipping. Even in the chat levels. Yes it does fluxuate with the time after the holidays to a degree. This however I have noticed changing since last summer. Once again, I'm not talking about the 'Ambers' and other top rung girls, but the average girl with a score 2500 or less. I see many rooms in my wanderings that have 10-20-30 premiums and maybe a total of 50 to well over 100, sitting there, mostly silent, watching like its MFC Free TV. One gal today.. mid page in the most popular rooms list. 175 in attendance. Working her very sexy ass off trying to get more than 2 of us to talk to her..... nothing.... in the 45ish minutes I was there, she got a total of 3 tips. 2-10's and a 30. To me, thats simply rude. Sit and watch someone perform for you, for free, and not even have the courtesy to say hi or thanks. You can make all the excuses in the world about the economy etc. but I put it squarely on the "free never pay for sex shows again" marketing campaign Leo has adopted. That attracts every broke-ass-living-in-the-basement-loser on the web and despite traffic generating percentage formulas, they have no intention of spending anything if its not for a game. :twocents-02cents:

Sorry for the mini rant, I'll get off my soapbox now. lol


I'm sad to hear that this poor girl had such a bad day, but at the same time it makes me feel a little better to know it's not just me... I have these days often :/
 

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I never said that it isn't a legitimate field of work models have to pay taxes ...Agreed their time is worth money but who should pay that money is another thing ... us members ? yes how about MFC puts a less money into there own pockets and give a higher payout .... maybe just maybe that would be a step in the good direction.

Yes, the members of the porn site should pay the models they are viewing and interacting with for their time/services. MFC already has one of the highest payouts to models in the industry.


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Who says ? That isn't the truth because you say so.... and what i can and cannot afford is something you don't know so why are you talking about that ?.

Like Amber said - porn is a luxury.


MFC has one of the highest payouts? Actually its a trick they say they pay you 60% but thats at a rate of 5cents a token when usually members pay 7-10 cents a token that being said we models get about 30-35% like all the other sites
 

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Ursavannah said:
CammiStar said:
Mfcwatchdog said:
I never said that it isn't a legitimate field of work models have to pay taxes ...Agreed their time is worth money but who should pay that money is another thing ... us members ? yes how about MFC puts a less money into there own pockets and give a higher payout .... maybe just maybe that would be a step in the good direction.

Yes, the members of the porn site should pay the models they are viewing and interacting with for their time/services. MFC already has one of the highest payouts to models in the industry.


Mfcwatchdog said:
Who says ? That isn't the truth because you say so.... and what i can and cannot afford is something you don't know so why are you talking about that ?.

Like Amber said - porn is a luxury.



MFC has one of the highest payouts? Actually its a trick they say they pay you 60% but thats at a rate of 5cents a token when usually members pay 7-10 cents a token that being said we models get about 30-35% like all the other sites
nope! If a member pays between 7-10 cents per token and we always get 5 cents per token than the payout is between 60-50%
 
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Actually more like 50-70%...

@ .07/tkn, .05 payout = 71.4%
@ .10/tkn, .05 payout = 50%

Other sites may pay a straight %age, so if tokens/credits are discounted, the models' take drops.
 
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This is why when I'm broke I usually hang out in Lounge1000. There I'm not taking a girls time.

Money has just been way too tight lately. 3 years of a bad economy has just about wiped out the savings and now it's paycheck to paycheck.
 
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But really, MFC is a freeloader's dream.



OMG, I use this EXACT phrase (MFC is a freeloader's dream) all the time. :lol:
 
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As far as private minimums go it does not matter if he has 1,000,000 tokens if he ends it after 30 seconds. Until MFC installs an escrow feature both sides have to trust one another.



This is why I think it's a good idea for models to require random guys to A) pm her before going private and/or B) tip her 100 tokens first before initiating a private session. I've seen models doing this, and that would probably make me feel better about going private with someone new to my room. Having a random guy (who won't even bother saying hi in the room) trying to take me private without having first discussed it has almost always resulted in disappointment. It's like they just wanna watch that toy slide into the pussy for a quick second, and that's all they need to be happy, so they'll go ahead and end it before a full minute has even passed. :roll:
 

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It's like they just wanna watch that toy slide into the pussy for a quick second, and that's all they need to be happy, so they'll go ahead and end it before a full minute has even passed. :roll:

Don't be mean they may get up to minute man status with a little hard work.

PlayboyMegan said:
One of my regulars doesn't hide his points and he says whenever he is in my room tipping random models he has never talked to PM him talking sweet to him.

This is why I have my PMs set to friends only.
 
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This is why I have my PMs set to friends only.

This. I will never understand why people complain about random models bombarding them with PMs and then fail to do this incredibly easy thing to alleviate the problem.
 
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Well,

Why not allow models to set the minimum required time for privates 5 , 10 , 15 minutes and any additional time is in models advantage.Offcource members must know this .... and i hide both points and tokens that is kind of private information allthough i can understand why a model would like to know that.
 

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"nope! If a member pays between 7-10 cents per token and we always get 5 cents per token than the payout is between 60-50%"

That is true but think of it like this member spends $20 on 200 tokens. We get 60% of 5 cents a token

200 x .05 x .60= $6

So out o the $20 the member spends MFC gets $14 and we get $6 which means we end up with %30 mfc ends up with 70% of the $20
 

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"nope! If a member pays between 7-10 cents per token and we always get 5 cents per token than the payout is between 60-50%"

That is true but think of it like this member spends $20 on 200 tokens. We get 60% of 5 cents a token

200 x .05 x .60= $6

So out o the $20 the member spends MFC gets $14 and we get $6 which means we end up with %30 mfc ends up with 70% of the $20

You get 200 x .05 = 10 dollars that is 50 percent
 
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MFC gets their cut at the package purchase, only value is for tippers when they have higher token packages available to them. This is good for models if they have prems who have the .08 per token available to them. That's funny math....I hate math. :evil:
 
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I understand that math is not everybody's strong point, so let me try to put it simply...

MFC models get a flat rate of 5 cents per token, regardless of how much members paid for those tokens. Their take in absolute terms does not rise or fall with the rate charged to members, even though the percentage this take represents will vary. It is MFC's share that varies in absolute terms, not the model's.

The problem is that talking about absolute numbers vs. percentages can be confusing -- it is a classic case of apples and oranges.

Here's an example...

Member A buys tokens at 10 cents apiece, then tips 100 of those tokens to a model.
He paid $10 for those tokens.
Model gets a flat rate of 5 cents per token = $5 (50% of what Member A paid).
MFC gets the remainder = $5 (50% of what Member A paid).

Member B buys tokens at 7 cents apiece, then tips 100 of those tokens to a model.
He paid $7 for those tokens.
Model still gets a flat rate of 5 cents per token = $5 (71.4% of what Member A paid).
MFC gets the remainder = $2 (28.6% of what Member A paid).

Again, you see it is not the model's share that changes, it is MFC's. MFC gets less per token from high volume discounted purchases, but the model's share remains the same in terms of absolute dollars.

It may seem counterintuitive that MFC would accept a lower share (by percentage) of those discounted purchases, and even encourage them, but only if you know nothing about retail practices. It's pretty standard to offer lower per unit prices for higher volume purchases, even though the cost of acquiring, processing, and delivering the goods remains the same. Trust me, no business (including MFC) is committing finanncial hari-kiri by doing this -- they are still making a handsome profit from those high volume purchases.

So, models, understand: what a member paid for his tokens has no effect on your income, and should be of absolutely no concern to you.

(And yes, this material will be on the final exam...) ;)
 

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StanislavJ said:
Member B buys tokens at 7 cents apiece

I keep seeing this mentioned. Where do you get these 7 cent tokens which you speak of? The largest package available to me works out to 7.92 cents per token.

Of course if you are speaking of tokens at a site different from MFC, my post is moot/mute/moo...then feel free to disregard.
 
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I don't know what the absolute lowest per token rate is -- I only heard the 7 cents figure being bandied about. Regardless, the hypothetical example I put forth still works -- the whole point being that no matter how cheaply MFC sells the tokens, the model's income remains the same, and it is MFC taking the lower share when tokens are discounted.
 
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I think we may all be over complicating things...
Ladies, sing this as a song! This is all you need to know.

5 cents a token, 5 cents a token, 5 cents a token hey hey hey HEY!
 

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StanislavJ said:
So, models, understand: what a member paid for his tokens has no effect on your income, and should be of absolutely no concern to you.

This has popped up before. Some of the models feel that by paying more per token the members are going to have less tokens to give them. I still support the smaller token packages in the futile hope one of the silent people freeloading might one day buy a couple and help out with the tipping, but I can see how it may concern the model's ability to make the most money possible.
 
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One thing I think would be good. I hate going in a room and it's me and 2 or 3 more people in ther tipping the girl and no one else. We get her through her show and all these freloaders get everything for nothing. I would like to see a second group show option for something like this. As she goes through her show and gets to the end she has the option of taking all they tipping members into a say "VIP" room so they can see the cum show or what ever the goal is. This still lets guests, basics, and people without tokens that night to see part of the show but it's an extra way of the model to say thanks.
 
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Shaun__ said:
what a member paid for his tokens has no effect on your income, and should be of absolutely no concern to you

firstly, why should it be of no concern to me what cut a site is taking? regardless that the payout of 5c per token is the same...

secondly, as I have stated elsewhere.. I look a it this way. if a member has $100 to spend on tokens one month and he buys a large package - he will get more tokens for his $$ therefore there will be more tokens for the models he tips to recieve.

If a member has that same $100 but buys smaller packages, there are less tokens. Therefore less $$ for the models he tips.

just my perspective...
 
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Shaun__ said:
what a member paid for his tokens has no effect on your income, and should be of absolutely no concern to you

firstly, why should it be of no concern to me what cut a site is taking? regardless that the payout of 5c per token is the same...

secondly, as I have stated elsewhere.. I look a it this way. if a member has $100 to spend on tokens one month and he buys a large package - he will get more tokens for his $$ therefore there will be more tokens for the models he tips to recieve.

If a member has that same $100 but buys smaller packages, there are less tokens. Therefore less $$ for the models he tips.

just my perspective...

Um I did not say that.
 
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:woops: I see this same conversation almost every day ... Why people are so obsessed with "percentages" is beyond me when the PAYOUT from MFC is ALWAYS a friggin NICKLE A TOKEN.... If the girl is in a studio, then she can figure out what her percentage of that nickle is but it still has zero to do with what it costs the guy. Cheapasses will always pay more per token and bigger spenders will always pay less....
 

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SoTxBob said:
:woops: I see this same conversation almost every day ... Why people are so obsessed with "percentages" is beyond me when the PAYOUT from MFC is ALWAYS a friggin NICKLE A TOKEN.... If the girl is in a studio, then she can figure out what her percentage of that nickle is but it still has zero to do with what it costs the guy. Cheapasses will always pay more per token and bigger spenders will always pay less....
I think it comes about because when we compare MFC with other major camsites, we discuss how MFC pays a better % than them. Since the other sites don't operate off of the same token system, the comparison HAS to be made on the %.
 
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I have something I would like to add to this. With this huge freeload fest, cricket chirping phase mfc has been going through, has a lot of us in a pinch. A lot of us girls like myself put money into to this as well, like super fast internet, our appearance ect, electricity for our billion watts of light, and child care, just to name a few. So while we are entertaining and these guys are just sucking it up for free, there are nights/days I'm paying to be there almost. I can't sit on cam 24 hours a day to try to compensate for it being slow, and I think that the least some of these guys could do if they are sitting in there enjoying the show, realize the fucking effort, time, and expense on our part, and tip a few tokens here and there. With the lower token packages there are no excuses and that's starting to disgust me.
 
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What I have heard in both Lounges is this: Members are tired of unrealistic goals set by models for public shows. Members tip for shows that never get done because the goals are too high or there is not enough time given to acquire the goal and those who have tipped just lose their money. I have never seen a model refund tips when a show was not done. So members quit tipping until it is evident that a show is possible. As you know, when the goal is close, all of a sudden the tips increase. If models want more tips all they have to do is set lower goals for shows and do more shows. Does anyone know of any other situation in life where a person pays toward something, and if that something does not occur, he loses the money he has paid? Maybe MFC should set an amount for all models for all shows so the members know what to expect when they enter a room and see a count.
 
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